English is my one and only language, yet I still can't talk it so I agree with this comment. English is fucking hard; even for us native speakers who only speak English. :::)
I loved Amadeus, and it was the costumes that won me over. Granted, I'm not a costume designer, even an amateur one. But Amadeus, for all its faults, attempted to capture the exuberance of the late 18th Century.
I HATE inaccurate costumes. They ruin the movie/show for me. Every time I see an inaccurate costume I am reminded that what I am seeing is just a movie. Inaccurate costumes keep me from fully immersing myself in the movie because they are a constant reminder that the movie is fake.
Adelaide Beeman-White Same! Like even though it's a great movie, Gone With the Wind is full of the 1930's hairstyles, and there is another movie from the 1960s I saw recently and it was set in an earlier era but was full of beehive hairdos (and I can't remember what movie it was!!!)
I remember I read a book set in a society where everyone emulates the 18th century, and has to wear period clothing, and the main character of course wears stays, and her over lacing them kind of factors into the story, and I was super salty because the cover of the second book had a picture of a late 19th century corset on it, and that is NOT anything this character would be wearing!
The thing about all movies is that they don't have to be accurate. Are Tarantino movies accurate? Of course not! But plenty of them are set in the modern day. It's about the feel you want to create, and the audience you're making the film for. When you hear costumers talk about a lot of the costumes they create, they're often quick to point out inaccuracies and the reasons they made them inaccurate. It's usually because they were trying to create a certain mood or emphasize an aspect about a character.
I'd love to see you trashtalk the costumes in Reign they're sooo terrible it's the best thing about the show. Otherwise I'm interested in knowing how accurate the costumes are in Marie-Antoinette, Outlander, The Duchess, or (but I don't know if you're also a specialist) movies about Elizabeth the First and the Tudor era. Anyway your work is so interesting, keep it up!
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omg Reign costumes are enough for a whole separate channel
OMG Reign was so terrible in so many ways (costumes being a major one, but historical inaccuracies being another) that I could barely get through the first episode. It pained me to see Megan Follows in that.
@@lilsaam It`s not just English, that`s just the weird way centuries are arranged. Honestly, I don't get why we can't just call between the years 1 and 99 "century 0" and move on from there, it would be much easier.
Is the Sherlock Holmes steampunk stuff historically accurate represented? What about the scene from Pirates of the Caribbean where she faints and falls down into the sea? What about pirates?
Ivelisse Álvarez hey! not op and I don't know much about the 19th century, but as for potc, that scene is pretty much entirely over-dramaticised. I can't remember the scene in much detail, but her stays wouldn't be tight enough to make her faint like that, and she certainly wouldn't be unused the feeling of wearing stays, she would have worn them since childhood. a pair of well-fitting stays is quite comfortable, and that scene is really just nonsense
I just had a conversation with someone about this! We hypothesized that maybe they're meant to be tight-laced to fit the new dress she was wearing. She certainly would have worn stays on a daily basis, but her father says something about a new style when he gives her the dress. Tighter lacing than normal plus heat could possibly equal light-headedness. It's still pretty far-fetched though.
Just to add to this. There was a lot of lead used back then, so heat + tight stays + plus exposure to lead could cause her to faint for quite a bit of time. Still far fetched though
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but "steampunk" was never really a historical thing, it was a style invented in the 1990s for time traveling movies, the actual people of the 19th century would never actually wear copper and brass machine parts on their bodies... Like sure, the fashion would be the same, but without all the time travelling robot nonsense.. P.S. I love steampunk myself, it's just not historically accurate
Yeah, the part where Kira faints bothers me because they couldn't achieve that tight a fit in the 1700s. It wasn't possible until metal eyelets were invented in the early Victorian period.
for the clickbait competition: what about "MY FIRST TIME (GRAPHIC!)" and it would be just you talking about your first time on a costume party and providing pictures of it
EPIC VICTORIAN ERA PRANK GONE WRONG GONE SEXUAL?? **COPS CALLED** (have bright multi-colored thumbnail of Victorian woman with large boobs and an early English police officer with pith helmet and baton) Then the entire video is a dank memes/vines compilation except all the famous clips are re-created by you in late 1800s-1910s style
I don't know what you wanted to go for, but what about: REAL 1890s woman! Time travel is REAL! *NOT CLICKBAIT* And then it's just you dressed in a costume from that era trying to talk posh. ...I don't know, that's the best I got.
Not sure on films, but I would love a comparison of modern television series- Poldark, Tudors, Outlander, etc. Also, you're my favorite person on RU-vid! Thanks for the best videos ever.
Thumbnail: Any historic picture 😱 The story behind this PHOTO!?!? 😱OMG!!!! *SHOOK Then talk about how you found the photo online or how you printed it out ...
It would be cool if you talked about some of the 1950s/60s horror films set in the 19th century (like the Hammer studio movies). It's always hilarious to me how the women in these films are usually wearing what v much looks like 1960s make up that probably wouldn't really work in the 1890s, but I'm no expert here, I'd love to hear your take on this. :D
6 лет назад
I think that's why Barry Lyndon impresses me so much, because up to 1970s it was perfectly normal to have a leading lady wear a contemporary hair, make up and undergarments and then have her frolick around in a kitschy satin gown with a cut resembling the modern ones. and then Barry Lyndon came and was like BOOYAAH! HOW 'BOUT DAH!
Could you do more of this movie/series-ratings? (Tbh I would love to see a rating of downtown abbey... Oh and some really old movies from like the 40s-60s, were historical costumes were so weird, would be surely fun :D)
I love this video but my only gripe is that Amadeus isn't actually meant to be historically accurate in content or design. This is obvious in the play (in the most recent production only half the cast were period costume and Mozart has bleach blond hair and doc martens) . If you watch videos of reviews of the film the same problem occurs where they criticise the fact it's historically inaccurate. It seems to be a conscious decision on the part of Foreman and Shaffer (the original playwrite) to try and translate the feel of the play where it knows it isn't accurate and it's all a memory of Salieri and you're not meant to trust what you are watching- which contrasts badly with the fact they shot it in beautiful historically accurate sets. I think it's rather a bad translation of the brechtian direction of the original play to film and not consulting Peter Hall (the original director of the play). This isn't hate in any way- I love your videos so much but this is a running theme I've noticed in all forms of youtube critiques of the film.
I would love to hear you talk about the costumes in the 2011 re-make of Jane Eyre. The costumes in that movie are the reason I'm working to become a historical dressmaker today haha.
@@jennyboldrini7330 Oh noes! That one was dreadful! Mr. Hinds' portrayal of Rochester came across as a bully! I couldn't believe it when I saw others saying it, because I had so liked him as Col. Wentworth in Persuasion, but it's true. His portrayal veered more into the violent aspects of Rochester's nature than the text portrayed. Brontë's Rochester threatened violence, but admitted quickly afterward that he couldn't act on it because he loved Jane too well. Hinds' Rochester threatened, more than Brontë's did, and didn't withdraw the threat. He really came across as a bully and I just couldn't stomach it. Try reading the scene and then watching it. I've read & re-read & listened to the audiobook version (check out Elizabeth Klett's version on LibriVox) probably 50 times. The Dalton/Clarke version is most true to the text. Perhaps there's an argument to be made for interpretation vs. adaptation, but I do like such movies to resemble the books, *if* I've read the book first. If I watch the movie first, then the discrepancies don't trouble me as much. In fact, I like the movie ending of (Gaskell's) North and South better than the book's. But there are other scenes in the book that I think should've made it into the TV movie version.
As far as I remember, some of Rose's dresses were based on real garments and fashion plates (for example, her stripped garments in which she appeares in movie for the first time).
I'd like to see you talk a bit about the makeup in these movies, 'cause I often see that even when the clothes are somewhat accurate, the makeup is frequently definitely not. I get that they need to wear scene makeup to look good on-screen but sometimes it's not even close... I'm also really interested in what movie would be a 10/10 for you. Does it even exist? :D
I'd love to see this too! Especially in the late 18th century, there's a misconception that everyone painted their face clown white and covered in fake moles. Just looking at portraits from the period show us that the natural look was more fashionable.
Rock me Amadeus will forever be stuck in my head 😧 Oh, could you critique the "100 years of" videos that vogue, allure and glamour posted. Would really like to know what you think of them 😎
Have you been to the frock flicks website? There's one post on there about the lack of bobby pins/hair pins in period dramas, seeing as all the women have their hair loose and flowing in the wind. Also, one thing that annoys me about certain period dramas where the year itself isn't important (i.e. no famous events like Lincoln's assassination or the Franco-Prussian war) is when the year the story is supposedly taken place is stated ("1901") but then the fashions are from previous decades and I'm just like..."Why didn't you just say '1895' or whatever???"
I’m waiting for the next episode! I really love costume movies 😍 and I would love to listen how you rate a tv series like Poldark, Outlander, The crown, Versailles etc. ❤️
I'd love to know how accurate were costumes from 1995 BBC's Pride and Prejudice. Also it would be funny if you said something about 1999 Mansfield Park - I remember there was a scene in which Fanny was standing in her corset which IMO couldn't be older than 1860s.
Hey, don't worry about your English too much. I came back from a week in Saint Petersburg speaking far worse English and it's my first language. And I don't speak Russian.
Hey, I would like you to talk about fashion back in 1000, 1200. Back when church ruled and they didn't have as much technology to plan and make their outfits. I always wonder. And I think you would be great explaining it!
What do you think about Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette? Purple Converse and all. I admit I have a soft spot for Milena Canonero. There's also The Beguiled, but I've heard bad reviews and I have yet to bring myself to watch it. Your English is fine! I know what you mean though, English is not my first language and as soon as I stop practicing my pronunciation goes out of the window, writing is easier hehe
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Haven't seen The Beguiled yet, but I already hate the costumes! Why are they all white, floppy and ill-fitted? And what's wrong with their corsets? Yuck! I've talked about Marie Antoinette but cut it out. It should be up next!
Karolina Żebrowska I also hate those vintage "stereotypes" like people who are trying to be 1980's by just putting on flashy colours and like those tutu skirts and crazy make up.Or if people nowadays think about the seventies fashion, Everyone think everyone back then dressed like a hipie.Make it stop!
makeupandglory I love this show but there's one critic I can make : those french people in the background in the last season are babbling nonsense (though clearly french native speakers) and act really bad. Demelza 4eva
In the 18th century, women would never wear their hair down like Demelza. The makeup used in the film is very 21st century-ish. I don't think they were trying to be historically accurate.
Except for Caroline Penbenen's outfits, the costumes look a bit "cookie cutter" -as if they were all made from the same pattern. And they should have shown some change over the years, but they didn't. The costumes from the original 1975 Poldark series did show change over time, but they were sometimes poorly executed.
Juliane Pidde, poor women would be working women (in the fields, on the farm, or in the factories in the cities, in the shops, as maids or even begging), you best believe they would never let their hair flow untamed as it be impractical and long hair would disturb their work (they were all wearing head scarves and had their hair tied up or plaid up) and long flowing hair was only done in the bedroom after dark (so no woman would be seen like that in the public, everyone would expect her to be a harlot)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who picks apart costumes, I also have some movies I don't like the plot or characters but the costumes have me watching it again and again
Post a photo of some random historical figure and name the video "I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT THIS FAMOUS PERSON DID" Then during the video list some really boring everyday things they would've done like eat and shit
Clickbait Competition: "Did I just have tea with the Queen?" And then in the video just say "No. . . I didn't. Why would you even think that?" Now excuse me while I go find my Thomas the Tank Engine VHS tape. . .
I have a tiny question: did women (or people in general, for that matter) wore the equivalent to vintage clothing centuries ago? I mean, did a lady in the 19th Century could be found anywhere wearing a regency dress? edit: as for the clickbaiting titles: This Woman Decided To Judge Historical Accuracy In Film Costuming And You Won't Believe What She Found
Debbie Garcia yes I think so. I saw a few pictures of late 1800s women wearing """1400s""" dresses with obvious corset silhouttes. edit: it might be limited to holoween though because those pictures are for holoween costumes.
Fancy Dress balls were a thing, for people wealthy enough to spend tons of $ on "historical" costumes. Thankfully, since they spent so much, they often took pictures! And yeah, they titally made interesting combos of medieval dresses on Victorian corsets.
I love this video! Can you review the costumes in the Marie Antoinette movie from 2006? It would be really cool to see you compare the costumes in movie Young Victoria and the Victoria series! And also compare the costumes in the pride and prejudice movie from 1995 and the one from 2005, I think it would be really cool if you compared the costumes of different movie adaptations of the same novel/historical person.
Hey there! I love your videos! I'm not even particularly into the subject but I find your videos very interesting. I would like to know your opinion about Penny Dreadful, as I know that particular attention has been paid to this aspect. I think they are beautiful, but I never had the opportunity to know if they are accurate. Thank you!
Loved it! I would love to hear you talk about the costumes in the adaptation of ORLANDO of Virginia Woolf with Tilda Swinton. There are several different eras and costumes, I always loved the variety and creativity of it.
How about Franco Zefarelli's 1968 movie "Romeo and Juliet"? I understand that Zefarelli was striving for historical accuracy as much as he was expressing his own aesthetic. I thought the costumes were more well done than other 1960s period movies.
This Halloween i had probably the BEST costume i have ever created! I took in perspective Queen Victorias 1843 portrait painted by Franz Xaver Winterhalter and tried recreating it. It worked surprisingly well and i went around reapeating some of my favourite lines from the TV show like: "She is not a queen and i am not a cow"
your english is great, this happens to me all the time, and I'm surrounded by english speaking people, but give me a week in Poland, or even at home, and bam, I'm a moron ;D daję suba, jesteś świetna :D
Your videos are excellent and don't worry about your English I can barely speak in and it's my only language! Will be sharing your videos with all my costume nerd friends XX
I am a big fan of this channel since someone mentioned it in the Ultimate Fashion History Facebook group last week. I am not ashamed to say my first costume film obsession was Amadeus when I was about 16, but it drove me to go practically live in my local library looking at costume reference books. I didn't full realize the costumes were WRONG for years, but it did set me on a path to a serious obsession with historical costume. I still have NEVER seen Barry Lyndon even though I know it's famous for its costumes! Secondly, as a speaker of German as my second language and as a former (and future) English trainer, I was going to compliment you on the extreme ease with which you speak English. At the same time, I know the frustration of having a Difficult Language Day. I found that this would happen to me WHILE I was actively using German. It's counterintuitive to be sure. For reference, you might enjoy the Ultimate Fashion History 18th century video, even though you probably know all the content. I love that the UFH and your channel and others are speaking to the validity and importance of KNOWING fashion history. :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OsmWUr_iiM.html
omfg i love you. I feel like sometimes actors in particular don't want to commit. Like, I've noticed that in more modern productions taking place in different eras -- like stranger things. i love that show, but the main female lead didn't commit to having 80s hair. Like, you can't just stuff someone in a stripped sweater or neon tights and call it good. It's not the 80s without the weird accessories or the awful hair. And it's the same way when you go much earlier -- like if you don't have weird scarves tied places, you're not doing it right.
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I get what you're saying... most of the time it's the costume/muah designer's fault though. they're like "whaat? we can't have the LEAD look ugly". the actors are not responsible for the research, so they just agree. but I've heard of some cases where the actors themselves have been pushing the designers towards historical accuracy even if it costs them good looks - like Bette Davis in the 1930s flick about Elisabeth I. kudos to them!
I'd be interested in what you thought of the costumes of "Valmont", another 18th century drama by Milos Foreman. Did it work out better or worse than "Amadeus"? Or "Valmont" vs "Dangerous Liaisons" (based on the same French novel)?
Id love for her opinions on Reign (they are Zara dresses lol) Outlander, the Titanic tv show, Atonement and Tudors. Id also love your opinions on video game costumes, specifically Bioshock Infinate and its DLC.
I am kind of to the point where I really don’t have interest in historical fashion but I just watch you while I do the dishes because you are so funny.
The way you talk about inaccurate representation of costumes in movies is like the way I react to inaccurate representations of languages in Hollywood movies.
I was struck by the use of language in ‘Cutthroat Island’ & ‘The Libertine’; yes, the former is a dumpster fire in almost every other regard (costumes were not super-bad, though- except for the weird crotch-level placement of rosette bows in the ball scenes??) - I thought the latter was somewhat underrated (I did get a little frustrated over skirt-hiking, & a couple of other things, & it felt like there were a couple of missing scenes- to join the whole thing together). Gena Davis’ accent was all over the shop, but the speaking style was so interesting to me- my favourite speaking scene was her denunciation of Shaw; ‘Since you lie so easily, & since you are so shallow- I will lie you in a shallow grave; I shall maroon you on a rock the size of this table, instead of splattering your brains across my bulkhead- as you deserve’. And, any faults of costuming aside, ‘300-esqe’ slo-mo fight scenes, the gratuitous violence & sex- I liked the speaking style of the Spartacus series, because they adapted the speech style & patterns from Latin, which was pretty cool & unique, IMO- last time I thought of period dramas doing that, was ‘10 Commandments’ (though it might not necessarily have been intentional).
The first one winning Best Costume makes sense when you consider that the "academy" are mostly actors/writers/directors and wouldn't necessarily look for accuracy beyond what pre-conceived notions they have.
Great idea, I'd love to see more! Could you maybe look at one of Hollywood's Jane Austen movies? Judging by them, I love the fashion of that era, but I'm always wondering how accurate they really are. They do seem to use different kinds of costumes than in the BBC versions, I think? This actually reminded me of a movie I once saw. I think it was based on a fairytale, but still. There was one ball scene where it looked liked all the extras just brought their own dresses or something. My fashion history knowledge is a far cry from yours, but even I could see there was Victorian, Regency, even some stuff that looked like it was from the 1940s/50s? So many eras in one place, it really bothered me! :,D Also, your English is fine, don't worry!
I remember watching Anna Karenina and drooling about the costumes. They may not be historically accurate, but they sure look amazing and are very consistent throughout the movie
Why am I so intrigued by this? I guess I’ll be able to say in a conversation how inaccurate costumes were in a movie...and then everyone will turn to the 220 pound guy in confusion. Worth it. Subscribed!
I know I'm like 4 years late to this party but I saw "won the Oscar for best costume in 1984" and literally I had to walk away from the video for a moment. The AUDACITY. Also you're wonderful and valid and all of your opinions are correct.
Well, thing is, amadeus was shot in comunist czechoslovakia, and i'm sure you can imagine the conditions :D there. was. nothing. forgive them and move on :D
great video as usual! What about "a Royal affair"? I found it really enjoyable and the clothes look accurate too, I would love to hear your opinion on that! cheers from Italy
Może to nie jest jakiś super oryginalny temat, ale nie miałabyś ochoty skomentować kostiumów z przeminęło z wiatrem? Zawsze mnie interesowało na ile te suknie i fryzury odpowiadały epoce ;)
6 лет назад
Olaya_Jessi pisałam o tym licencjat, więc bardzo chętnie :)
'Gran Hotel' 'Cable Girls' and 'Morocco: Love in Times of War' are Spanish Period tv series, extremely binge worthy and have gorgeous actors and beautiful costumes. If you have seen them, what do you think about their costumes? xxx Love your videos btw
I'm a costume nazi with historical films. I can't watch when I see bad costumes. For example Pride and Prejudice with Kira Knightly. Soooo bad I saw like 15 min and switch off cos...nooo those bangs. My family and friends hate it because I always comment how good or bad they are.
I saw some "behind the scenes" videos on this movie. They decided to go with 1795 fashion (which was close to the time that Austen actually wrote the novel), or at least their *idea* of that time period. One reason was to emphasize the sophistication and wealth of the Bingleys and Darcy against the Bennetts' more earthy, financially modest, and slightly out of fashion style. Another reason that I suspect is that Keira Knightly did not look good in Directoire, high-waisted styles due to her small bosom. I have a small bosom myself, and high-waisted styles can look pretty bad on me sometimes.
I hate the costume and set design for the Keira Knightley version! The Bennets weren't that poor, and was shown by the fact that they had servants and a carriage. They would have had clothes from the same decade as the Bingleys, even if the cut and fabric weren't as good.
Pride and Prejudice, the BBC series vs. the movie with Keira Knightly. I recently watched the latter for the second time and it struck me again, how very different it is from the series (which I personally prefer). That scene where Lizzie arrives on foot at...whatwasitcalledagain...and had her hair open and unkempt? Really? I'm unsure about the dresses generally though...the ones in the movie seem much more casual and humble....maybe more appropriate for a family struggling financially? Also: The actor who plays Mr. Bingley in the movie looks like one of the Weasley brothers...it's hilarious!
This is TOTALLY, 100%, a personal preference thing but I found the BBC series to be horribly boring and oddly cast. The actress playing Lydia appeared to be the prettiest of the sisters and the more historically accurate face curls made the actress playing Jane look like a man. In this case I appreciated how the movie deviated from historically accurate or adapted a historical style to make it more attractive and less distracting. I just found the acting to be much less charming from all the actors in the BBC series. Lizzie was very... vanilla, nowhere near as interesting as she was in the book. I love the book and I know the BBC series stayed more true to the settings but I found that to be, visually, very boring. In text based media the aesthetic interest of a scene doesn't really matter, you could be in a parlor or out in a field and it doesn't really make much difference but in a visual medium it does so, for instance, the first Darcy proposal in the BBC series wasn't interesting to me whereas the proposal in the movie was very exciting and had my heart racing. Something I thought was pretty cool and I appreciated about the movie was that the mother didn't wear the popular silhouette of the time and was still wearing the older styles she would be more used to, I thought it was a nice touch. Maybe they did that in the BBC series but I honestly don't remember, I saw it once and was so bored I couldn't force myself to watch it again. I don't mean this to be rude or harsh, just a dialogue for discussion. We all have different tastes and different things we are looking for. Heck, sometimes what I am looking for changes or my taste adapts specifically for certain movies. I actually thought I was going to hate the movie just because I tend to (aggressively) dislike Keira Knightly's acting, specifically when she would jut her lower jaw out during scenes where she is trying to be fierce or angry. It agitates the heck out of me, but she only does it in one scene in the movie because, apparently, the director hated it too and made her not do it, haha. Anyway, I need to shut up. Sorry. Have a lovely day!
tbh 'anna karenina' always bothered me; it ran like one really long chanel perfume ad. i don't have the background karoline does, i have a degree in history (emphasis on eastern european history) so that film always really just......it bothers me lol. let's just leave it at that.
Love this video so interesting! Would love to hear your opinions on some of the costuming in Jane Austen adaptations for screen! (pride and prejudice, emma etc!)
Please make one about Crimson Peak. There costumes are sooooo extravagant and beautiful but the question is how accurate and true to the real thing they are.
Your channel is awesome! And Barry Lyndon is such a good movie, I remember hearing that the director only used natural lighting and candlelight so it would look like it actually did in that time period onscreen.
