Are The Gen 3 Joola's Starting to Core Crush? & New PaddleTeks Are Awesome

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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
2:08 - Forehand Dink Lesson
5:30 - Gamma library ball
9:21 - New Paddletek Paddles Are Sick
22:16 - Hudef Viva Gen 3
22:54 - 11six24 Kevlar Paddle
30:46 - The Vatic Oni Review
43:39 - Are the Gen 3 Joola’s starting to core crush?
57:54 - The importance of stretching in Pickleball
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@cwarner5909 2 месяца назад

On the plus side the grit on the gen 3's are lasting the lifetime of the paddle.

@2musiclover534 2 месяца назад

🤣🤣🤣 Well played!

@El_Guap 2 месяца назад

Gen1: “we added carbon fiber peelply!” Gen2: “we sealed all the edges!” Gen1.5: Dong - “we partially sealed all the edges” Gen3: “we know how they test defection. Make the insides move since they measure front to back deflection not whole face deflection”. Gen4: “USAPA is a farce, we will just move around the paddle rules established a few years ago… USAPA will catch up in 2-3 years and we will already have moved forward”.

@CoreTekPB 2 месяца назад

True in so many ways

@owenmackenzie9584 2 месяца назад

Behind Will APPEARS to be his new Six Zero paddle that has yet to be released... Looking forward to it dropping!

@lobstrain 2 месяца назад

Good eye!

@Jinxman729 2 месяца назад

@@lobstrain I have had the privilege of holding said paddle. Can hardly wait for its release. Six Zero has a few other surprises incoming as well ;)

@scottrdunn 2 месяца назад

@@Jinxman729when?

@robpickleball 2 месяца назад

Is it a real paddle or more of this edgeless non-sense?

@Jinxman729 2 месяца назад

@@scottrdunn When are they coming or when did I hold it?

@FarmerLankyPickleball 2 месяца назад

I forgot about silent library 😂😂 I definitely agree. If you only choose one Joola for top 5 power paddles, the Paddleteks are definitely top 5 in power. I didn't get to try the long handled version

@PickleballWill 2 месяца назад

I knew you was cool Lanky!

@ljbar2015 2 месяца назад

You are like the Ralph Nader for pickleball paddles. Thanks for looking out for us!

@kendo888 2 месяца назад

Love your podcast guys. For once I feel like I have something to chime in on: Chris, it's not really about stretching, but about improving your functional range. Strengthen your body IN the deep positions that require you to be more flexible. Similar to how yoga might put you in these positions, but you can add more movement, and more load. This will help your body adapt to the new demands. Also, day of, warm up first, that's much more important and will enhance any stretching or flexibility exercises you do. Keep up the great work. And for the record, my Scorpeus 3 hasn't had issues yet after about 20 hours of playing...

@timkadom1722 2 месяца назад

Chris, if you get people challenging you on your review (I.e Oni review hate), please know that the majority of your audience doesn’t share those beliefs. You can’t please all the people all the time. I’m sure it hurts you to read those kinds of comments, but I think this comes with the territory of having a very large audience. Please don’t over index on those reviews as a takeaway about how the rest of us feel about you!

@LouisBrown19 2 месяца назад

Great video. This helped me a lot in choosing paddles, and I'm ready to order the Hudef Viva Pro Gen3.

@NKG13 2 месяца назад

Interesting for me to hear all of these recent reviews on Joola. I’ve had all the way from Gen 1-3 and I’ve never experienced any of these issues. Maybe I’m one of the lucky one but I don’t feel that issues are as common as the internet makes them appear.

@richardwilliams3916 2 месяца назад

Ankle strengthening is a huge thing for as you get older too. It all ties in to the lower leg. 61 year old here talking from experience.

@raybrown1892 2 месяца назад

"Important. Huge Gen 3 USAP Update This morning, all manufacturers received an email inviting us to a meeting for the introduction of an exit velocity test ( coefficient of restitution ) … the meeting is May 20th." Just heard this, do you have any more info??

@DrKillion 2 месяца назад

I never buy 1st run of any new production model in any product; car, computer, home appliances, NOTHING! It's like the 70's all over again, when you bought a new car the dealership would tell you to bring it back in a month or two and they'll fix everything that's broken for free. You knew you were buying a broken car.

@MJDGator 2 месяца назад

I think its an important distinction...is it "breaking in" or slowly deteriorating each use until the paddle is no longer useful? To me a break in is the paddle changes over a couple of weeks and settles in and plays consistently for a long while.

@johnw323 2 месяца назад

My Hyperion 14mm lasted less than 3 play sessions and has a rattle so pushed on the face and it's starting to crunch. Tried to submit a warranty claim and system was down 😞

@NOT_A_TOP_FAN 2 месяца назад

Even at $100 it shouldn’t be crushing!!! I think we all have a warped sense of a dollar! I mean this shows even more we are becoming immune to us being in a Throwaway Society

@ajfloresii 2 месяца назад

“Silent library” reference for the win! Love it!

@Luis.Feliciano 2 месяца назад

I got two Perseus Gen 3 and both have a detached core within 2 games each. When you shake them there is just a massive rattle.

@jmogyoro 2 месяца назад

I used mine as a maraca on Cinco de Mayo.

@will_travel 2 месяца назад

Would love if you did a video about your stretch routine

@DianSusiana98 2 месяца назад

I've been using the Hudef viva pro gen 3 for two weeks now, and the blend of carbon fiber and Kevlar is really special, giving it a lot of spin.The control of it is amazing.

@123BV8 2 месяца назад

You guys are an incredible resource for the pickleball community, keep up the great work! 2 sessions, about 6 hours on a Joola Magnus 14mm, core crush…..the Gearbox power pro elongated lasted a week, what power paddle will last, Proton no stock for months, you mention Paddletek? Any spin numbers on the Paddletek TKO’s?

@prasiththammasithiboon4194 2 месяца назад

Maraca-like sounds after a couple games to 11. After two to three days, captain crunch pressing into the face. This is for both Magnus and Scorpeus 16. 😡 No, I’m not a fan dealing with warranty.

@susancarstensen7486 2 месяца назад

Issues w warranty? That will be a major problem as we are not going away if out paddle has issues

@downwinder3 2 месяца назад

Chris, stretching tenses and stresses muscles. Massage gun loosens muscles which is really what you need. Stretching after the gun is ok but the gun is what you need

@williamstevenson755 2 месяца назад

Chris - please get a standing desk or a “standing desk converter. “ I too have a computer desk job - a standing desk is a life changing positive improvement for your health. Thank you and Will for your great service to the PB community.

@PickleballStudio 2 месяца назад

Planning to once I buy a house! :)

@vincentszymborski359 2 месяца назад

Chris/Will-Thank you for keeping it honest. As buyers, we often can’t/don’t pre-test every paddle we buy. We rely on you guys to be the honest voice for us.

@Copettipablo 2 месяца назад

When will you update in the web site the swing weight and twist weight of every paddletek model?

@groot3371 2 месяца назад

I enjoyed the podcast. I liked the information on the problems with the new paddles. I would have a problem, if I needed to send back a broken paddle to the manufacturer for warranty. I would not have the paddle to use until I have the replacement. I always do dynamic and static stretching before playing pickleball. Thank you, Chris and Will.

@rickdoerner7750 2 месяца назад

I live in Ecuador, but bought a JOOLA - Tyson McGuffin Magnus (yet to be picked up in US). If you think you have issues with returning paddles..... just try it when living in South America! I really hate to hear that US companies have such quality control issues, and have not done proper testing. Anyway, I'm a new retiree who has picked up pickleball as another expensive hobby, but we really have fun in Cuenca, Ecuador! Come visit us some time! We play in Parque Candelas and Parque Pateleria, which are nothing like the fancy places you get to play, but we have a blast!

@steve-94951 2 месяца назад

call it as you see it Chris ... your work and objectivity is invaluable for us

@susancarstensen7486 2 месяца назад

I appreciate you caring about pball and consumers. I have only played a week w my Magnus 16” but I am loving it. I knew the alphas had issues as my friend “broke “ 7. I figured they wouldn’t release until summer to clean up quality issues but they increased warranty to a yr which was the reason I felt ok purchasing. My second gen needed replaced bc of edge guard issues. Keeping up Chris!

@lwhang8116 2 месяца назад

Congrats. Intro was soooo smooth.

@caseydog237 2 месяца назад

Maybe that's why Ben John's has lost more times in the last six months than the previous three years. What a disaster for Joola.

@TLGRon 2 месяца назад

A friend of mine swears by the book "Back Mechanic" for how to fix back issues. I've had back issues for years and do a morning regiment of back warmups (prescribed by my physical therapist), plus back and leg stretching. My back's been great for the past few years. I haven't read the book myself yet, but maybe it'll have some good insight, Chris. Good luck!

@VexMarquise 2 месяца назад

5.25 DUPR here. My Perseus 14mm broke after 2.5 play sessions ~ 10 hours Played excellent for that short time, then was uncontrollable with certain shots getting tons more power and suffered a varying launch angle

@visualvirtue9640 2 месяца назад

Macon Georgia qualifier is May 29-June 2. Virginia Beach June 5-9.

@Rock-cz5hv 2 месяца назад

I saw a podcast on the J7K from Honolulu paddles with top tear power like 60 mph...

@user-mo8ry1yk8b 2 месяца назад

Btw , love most of your reviews. Very informative.

@gibs4962 2 месяца назад

Someone at rec play yesterday was using the Engage Pro 1, and I guess he hit the ball in a certain spot that launched the ball. It reminded me of the Joola video. The ball went so fast we didn't see where it landed. Even he said, "What just happened?"

@elmersonreyes6052 2 месяца назад

Another nice video. Good info . Question- I was about to get a Joola gen3 but is a Aloha Honolulu J2K better to get? Has there been same issue with J2K as well? Tks

@celicahalftrac 2 месяца назад

In a world where (anecdotally) Vatic (Carbon and Prism series specifically), SixZero, and Gruvn don't have these issues for half the cost... makes Joola a tough pill to swallow. Loved my Solaire 14mm when i started playing but moved on.

@TakeTheFallActHurtGetIndignant 2 месяца назад

Gearbox, Joola, Selkirk are all way overpriced IMO. The only retort I will entertain is their warranty, but I don't give a shit about that - I just want my paddle to play well.

@Natedavis4444 2 месяца назад

Bantam might reference a weight class in boxing. Which makes sense if they are referencing TKO…Bantam is a lower weight class in Boxing…if the swing weight is low for the bantam paddle then it all makes sense 👍🏽

@PickleballWill 2 месяца назад

I like that explaination right there

@rtdo13 2 месяца назад

12:04 @pickleballwill did you focus on your new paddle on purpose?

@americanhero6965 2 месяца назад

Love my Joola Perseus 3 16mm. Took a month to learn and understand. Picklr Shop had free ship and no tax.

@El_Guap 2 месяца назад

The ONI by Vatic (Sorry Daryl), I think the foam still expands over time (months) and corrupts the polymer core. The amount of foam between the polymer core (that is the honeycomb) doesn’t matter as long as it is static as sale. But a few people I know with the ONI suggested that the home continues the beyond retail sale

@samuelpierce7664 2 месяца назад

Fwiw it was Jordan Irwin who did the other review and am keen to hear his further insight after more play. 😊

@jackstein5486 2 месяца назад

Great video! I guess Italy supposedly greatest paddle. I am so happy with my Engage Pursuit Pro MX 6.0!

@jburton1419 2 месяца назад

Have you tried the Ronbus R2 Pulsar FX?

@Foxx_Choco 2 месяца назад

Yes,Review that plz!

@TakeTheFallActHurtGetIndignant 2 месяца назад

@@Foxx_Choco JohnKew did a good review of all all three (R1/2/3) of the FX line.

@believerentals248 2 месяца назад

Any word on the new Head paddle? The Radical Nite? It looks like it's a good one.

@Gary-W 2 месяца назад

No issues yet on my scorpious gen 3 yet.. If it fails I will warranty it.. Love how the paddle plays..

@ronalddavis3225 2 месяца назад

Same.

@123BV8 2 месяца назад

Every two play sessions?

@Gary-W 2 месяца назад

@@123BV8 Been playing with it since it was available day one.. No issues yet.. If they all had issues after 2 sessions the internet would be flooded with that info and mine would be broken 2 days after it arrived...They sold a ton of these on release.. I see themall over the courts.. If it fails, it fails just like my original DBD did.. Just replaced that also and never had a problem with the replacement.

@ronalddavis3225 2 месяца назад

No issues yet after 5 play sessions totaling 11 hours.

@TennisObsessed 2 месяца назад

It's called the Gamma Librarian. It's fun to practice with indoors. Feels like a dense Nerf ball.

@billkennedy401 2 месяца назад

I agree - after the "surprises" of the thermoform last year, one would think that this years new tech would have been better tested by the manufacturers. But did we really think foam wouldn't degrade, especially when the foam is part of the propulsion system? It will be interesting to see what Ronbus has come up with when Ripple releases

@dustyg3354 2 месяца назад

This video continues to validate why I play with a Ronbus. The only reason Joola is selling paddles is because Ben Johns. The price, quality, and QC is outrageous.

@bryanyee7 2 месяца назад

Is there a link to where I could buy a can of the gamma Library foam balls at?

@pickleballnic 2 месяца назад

2 of my Gen 3 Anna Brights make sounds, are uncontrollable, and the spin is diminishing. They were great for the first 2 weeks. Back to my Mach 2 Forza 14mm. 😢

@zacharyalonte8904 2 месяца назад

I thought TKO stood for "tweener king ____", which is Christian Alshon's tag for all of his socials

@dh317 2 месяца назад

I’ve got 2 Anna Bright Joola Gen 3s. I just checked the second one. It’s been played about 5 times. There’s a slight crunch and it rattles. The first one is on loan to a friend. I’ll check it tomorrow.

@2musiclover534 2 месяца назад

Please update us as to their warranty process.

@erichoang486 2 месяца назад

What are some stretches you do? I feel like I have the same problem

@myonlylov 2 месяца назад

will you guys be doing a review on j2k and j2k pro HONOLULU PICKLEBALL?

@almandia9109 2 месяца назад

A new gearbox pro elongated that I was using lasted 1 week before it suffered core crush. We’ll see how long my new Scorpeus 14mm lasts.

@El_Guap 2 месяца назад

Basic randomized control trial based stretching, dynamic stretching >45 min before. If you have ROM issues (most of use 40+) start and hour early with ROM (studied and show to inhibit performance but improve ROM). So 40+ pickleball players, ROM static >30-40min. Dynamic stretch up to play. Or just do the “pickleball clock” before 10 times.

@lichee12 2 месяца назад

Random question but is it mentioned anywhere which episode # this is? Was just thinking about the 10 year and "How many episodes?" question and didnt realize what episode this was. I see under the Explore the podcast section in the description it has 82 episodes total but doesnt help with respect to a random episode and trying to figure out which one in the series it is. Didnt hear it in the intro either.

@PickleballStudio 2 месяца назад

The recent thumbnails have the episode number in the top right.

@brianporter2806 2 месяца назад

Seems like the USPA should have a 5,000 hit machine process before approving paddles. Doesn't seem that hard to implement.

@2musiclover534 2 месяца назад

Liked. You guys are tops, being unbiased. Appreciated. Question: How good is Joola's customer service with previous Gen 2 Core Crushing? Thanks.

@ashevillescarborough 2 месяца назад

My old gearbox cx14 still sits in my bag 1.5 years later after hammering it for a year and still works just like it was when new… I’ve moved on to other paddles, but she is still there, old reliable. Don’t think I could break it if I tried.

@elvnprince 2 месяца назад

What else do you play with, and how does their behavior/performance compare to the cx14? Thanks! 🙏

@ashevillescarborough 2 месяца назад

@@elvnprince I’ve been mostly playing with the pickleball apes PLE S. Love the control it offers but still has enough pop. 🔥🔥🔥

@craigcable2982 2 месяца назад

Are you or Will going to review the Spoon by Pkoll? I know it has been out for a while but would be nice to see a quality review

@fencebb1466 2 месяца назад

My gearbox crunched like crazy. And it was completely uncontrollable and hit rockets. Much like you described Issac’s. Just with a little less crunch and I warrantied it. But I am ditching these gen 3 for this reason. Thrive azul is enough power without all this breaking

@fencebb1466 2 месяца назад

Also this crunch came after 3 months, 4.5 player who doesn’t hit it crazy hard, not a former tennis player

@jamesgordy880 2 месяца назад

It's different than what you normally do, but you should do a collab with one of the pickleball Pt's/ fitness instructors. The Dynamic warm up and static cool down are very important. Would love to see some content from you on this. It would be like the backhand lesson episode

@slowyourrole 2 месяца назад

Would it be best to order this paddle from Joola or another online retailer? Would ordering through another online retailer be helpful with returning a core crushed paddle instead of dealing with Joola?

@jamesmoore7388 2 месяца назад

I need a TKO-CX review ASAP please for Paddletek. Curious how it compares to Pursuit Pro Mx 6.0

@Dmocification 2 месяца назад

Can we ban foam paddles?

@devotedpickleball 2 месяца назад

Played against a good player (4.0+) today who had a Joola Gen3 Perseus. I’m happy to support a ban on those things. I’ve never seen a pickleball move like that (spin and power).

@TakeTheFallActHurtGetIndignant 2 месяца назад

They should be illegal based on USAPA's own rules (no trampolin effect). Mind boggling they're letting these paddles risk ruining the sport.

@danko5832 2 месяца назад

I’ve been using Joola Magnus 16mm paddle for a month now and it is a game-changer in terms of quality and performance. Its construction ensures optimal control and power, making it the best paddle I've ever used. 🙋🏻‍♂️

@26realmc 2 месяца назад

And your a Joola rep aren't you?

@stevecrawford333 Месяц назад

😂🤣😆

@TheLee64 2 месяца назад

Was pretty close to getting a Collin Johns Gen 3 on release day. Guess we'll need to wait for the new round of better quality paddles this generation.

@2musiclover534 2 месяца назад

Durability aside, that Collin Gen 3 is amazing. Best I've ever played with.

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 2 месяца назад

You missed the APP qualifier back in March at Sacramento. Ed Ju was looking for you Chris 🤭

@lesterma1608 2 месяца назад

J7k all Kevlar is elongated as the Hurache control + but the J7k is the longest and the Hurache is carbon Kevlar

@daniilmotsenyat 2 месяца назад

The main issue with j7k is that it's 123 swing speed but hurracha is also 100% kevlar face just has 3 additional layers of carbon. I got j2k pro and hurracha kevlar on the way.

@Roboto_Gato 2 месяца назад

Hurache or TKO? Which one you liking more?

@noahtrescott837 2 месяца назад

Can you please review the Sword & Shield j2k? Curious how you rate it against Ruby and Azul. Thanks

@chrissprings4988 2 месяца назад

My 006 is probably considered an antique gen2 now, but it's built like a tank

@Aaron-mn2ro 2 месяца назад

Selkirk build quality is unmatched, way better than that chinesium joola sells lol

@hank5747 2 месяца назад

I'm ready for gen 4 already

@HowieB-isMe3885 2 месяца назад

If these paddles are truly getting more and more powerful as time goes by, they are risking a lawsuit. Someone is going to get hurt . concussions are possible. I heard that one person got a concussion on the pro tour. I can see amateurs going crazy with this paddle, not controlling it and hitting people in the head and in the eye and in the nose and doing some serious damage. The question is who is responsible the manufacturer or the user. The user knew his paddle is getting more powerful as time goes byand continued to use iteven after it exhibited core crushing. Howie B

@chrispaulsen5746 2 месяца назад

It's 100% on the user. There wouldn't be a successful lawsuit there.

@Criss_Cringle 2 месяца назад

Can we get a video of your stretching routine?

@Itsdavidlau 2 месяца назад

It’s annoying my AB Gen 3 today started to crunch. Only had 6 sessions with it

@shain.allen7 2 месяца назад

So what’s wrong with the “broken” gen 3s that have a crunching sound, what are the effects on performance/durability? What is a core crushing issue? Can anyone explain

@villbuzeep2043 2 месяца назад

inconsistent power and direction

@xeviuus 2 месяца назад

So far so good with mine. Two weeks of rec and one tournament. But if this one breaks I’m sure Joola will warranty it.

@jfktoo5128 2 месяца назад

Chris, how was the spin on the Bantam?

@kimleith1378 2 месяца назад

Great pod. Glad I held back on the ONI. No way a face sheet can "stay put" when a core material is moving and changing like they do.Floating cores will have durability issues.There are foams out there that are solid and are not injected, but the labor to build a paddle using them would take a lot more time. Don't pay any attention to those REDIT fools.! No more invites to Joolla releases for you Chris😆 Back problems at 70 are a bitch. Arthritis and bulging discs are my thing. Stretching is key to stay on the court. Sitting is the killer. Rec players don't have PT Trainers to work em like the pros.

@thanhn.5168 2 месяца назад

Will! Please provide link of that OP Pickleball tshirt!!

@brianspace 2 месяца назад

Will Joola fix or replace the crunchy Gen3 paddle under the Warranty?

@billtaber5093 2 месяца назад

In my opinion any paddle that uses Kevlar or Nomex cores or carbon tubes as core instead of polypropylene is worth considering.

@williamsherwood4367 2 месяца назад

So does the Joola 12 month warranty cover this issue? Mines crushed after 2 weeks of play and I kind would like either my money back or a new paddle.

@mhloftin1 2 месяца назад

So, the foam ball might be the key to playing grass-court pickleball.

@CoreTekPB 2 месяца назад

Curious what you expect to come of the manufacturer introduction to coefficient of restitution on the 20th?

@El_Guap 2 месяца назад

I do have to say my OG Gen2 Legacy Pro (still not Delaney) took a week or 2 of break in. Paddles have always had a break in. Look at how they are made. Layers. Layers always loosen up. Core crush is a different issue. But most paddles break in even if it’s just one game.

@Duf 2 месяца назад

Makes me afraid to push on my Joola Gen 3. I will be on a crunch denial mission.

@jmogyoro 2 месяца назад

How do you sleep? Got to do that everyday. Feed the dog, kiss your wife, press on your gen 3 to see if it broke yet.

@N1NJAE 2 месяца назад

When is the 6.0 Willinator coming out?!?!

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 2 месяца назад

Please review the Maverix Havik-15mm

@johnp1 2 месяца назад

Chris: can you share or recommend a stretching routine? very informative video.

@PickleballStudio 2 месяца назад

I don't have much of a full routine yet. It's mostly some hamstring and hip flexor stretches. A great channel you should watch is Movement By David. Lots of RU-vid shorts with great stretches.

@adamwalker9640 2 месяца назад

I care if mine crushes.. I crushed my PPE in a month and got a new one…. Couple months and the replacement is creaking too. I am just sticking with it- adapted to it.

@drewstu1 2 месяца назад

Just got the Perseus3 16, and will check it after playing today. Also, can you review the Bread & Butter Shogun?

@joshuaandashleyreed7360 2 месяца назад

Love My Perseus Gen 3. Dont have to use much power easy on the hands and arms

@DannyBPlays 2 месяца назад

I'm not happy to hear that purchasers have bad paddles, but I would love if this paddle was somehow removed from circulation. Every single user says it makes power and spin way easier that makes the games feel unfair

@user-jx1vp5ei4u 2 месяца назад

Guys, I think it would be great if yoiu added to your paddle reviews the play of different paddles in relation to the skill level of the player. I find that some paddles are better suited for different skill levels and playing style. For full disclosure I am a Six Zero guy, and the DBD still is one of (if not the) best paddles for 3.0 - 4.5 (maybe 4.35) player. As someone expressed to me the DBD increases the efficiency of the skill level of the player. Six Zero has proven to be consistent with a pretty uniform quality during the life of the paddle. .....Thoughts?

@jtdavis771 2 месяца назад

Don’t let all the haters get in your head. There’s always the 1% who love to complain. Appreciate all your time on helping the other 99% make the best choice on paddles for them.