Ex-PPA on Joola Gen 3 core crushing & why legal paddles don't matter

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The new Joola Gen 3 paddles are REALLY good and REALLY powerful... but there are some serious quality and conceptual issues that could be holding them back from being worthwhile investments...
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0:00 INTRO
01:06 IS THE GRIT CONSISTENT?
02:55 WHY ARE THE CORES CRUSHING?
05:20 HOW HARD DOES IT HIT?
05:56 GEARBOX COMPARISON
07:01 DOES IT SOUND WEIRD?
07:56 ARE THEY LEGAL?
09:49 DOES PADDLE LEGALITY MATTER?
11:41 WHO SHOULD BUY THESE?
12:13 DISCOUNT CODE INFO / OUTRO

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9 июл 2024

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@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

One more thing I wanted to mention! If you are already decent/good at the game you will definitely have to ADJUST your play style to incorporate this level of power. In my opinion, IF you’re trying to compete, it’s probably for the best since the sport seems to be getting faster in the short term.

@yasim9435 2 месяца назад

As a tennis player it is very disturbing to me that PB promotes targeting purposely the opponent body and even discussion which part is a better target. I think that with technology innovation making paddles more and more powerful it is clear that either ball material must be changed like to Gamma foam ball or rule has to be added to discourage hitting body or otherwise this game becomes unsafe for any reasonable standards. There are so many seemingly unnecessary rules limiting serve motion and rules that elevates respect to all players but there are no rule that makes game safe. Seems counterintuitive

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Great points!

@gunzorro 2 месяца назад

Great info, thanks for not being a fear monger! :) I just received the Anna Bright Gen 3 and got my first play with it today. I have been concerned about the "issues" being bandied about. But I'm happy so far with its handling and power -- just what I was looking for. I've already got a Gen 1 Anna that I like a lot, and Selkirk Power Air Invikta is another favor of mine, along with a recent Thrive Azul. The new Anna looks to be the best of the bunch so far -- I'm still cautious about break-in, but not really worried (yet!). I'm no pro and mostly do Rec play, but looking toward some local tournaments eventually.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Absolutely! My paddles play great my only concern is whether or not I’m in the minority or majority of experiences

@BH-qd4yb 2 месяца назад

Great insight, and look forward to your full review. Thanks Tech Dude!

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Any time! Thanks for watching and following along 👊🏼

@sol1280 2 месяца назад

Thanks for all the info. I'm a 43 y/o woman, unable to generate too much power on drives. I ended up buying the Magnus 16mm. I've played with it for about 10 hours and so far I really like it. I can feel a significant boost in power on my shots, but haven't seen my control affected much yet. I imagine it's because it will take me way longer to fully break it in due to my lack of power in general. I do hope I don't experience any core crushing and that I don't end up sacrificing too much control after the full break in period, but I'll just have to deal with that when/if the time comes (hopefully before the warranty expires).

@kabnis2022 2 месяца назад

Did you try the 14mm version of the Magnus?

@cbouza3 2 месяца назад

This is amazingly well written.

@godgunsandgoldens 2 месяца назад

Lack of natural power will help longevity of your paddle. Less chance of core crushing for sure.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

These paddles are a great benefit to ppl that have trouble generating power so sounds like this was a great choice!

@cindydarling6315 Месяц назад

I am 71 yrs old and are looking for power paddle. Thank u this looks good for me too

@curryszchickenz407 2 месяца назад

Great in depth paddle review keep up the content!!

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Thank you so much will do 🫡

@Rock-cz5hv 2 месяца назад

Not many have reviewed the chorus shapeshifter I can't wait to hear from you Thank's

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Stay tuned! Coming very soon 😉

@Ang0704 Месяц назад

Your videos are always so informative! Keep up the good work 🙂

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

That means so much! Thank you!!

@PhoKingHappy 2 месяца назад

Side question, do you happen to know how the power/pop of the chorus shapeshifter compares to that of the proline energy s or double black diamond? Interested in getting that paddle but wanted to know how it compares to a few others I've hit!

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Hey! So you’ll find the Shapeshifter has more spin, pop, and stability than the DBD in my opinion (without any lead tape adjustments) but honestly it plays pretty similar to the PLE-S. If you don’t have any of these paddles I would give a slight nudge to the Shapeshifter over PLE-S since the sweet spot feels to be a bit bigger and it’s only $20 more. My discount code RAFA actually brings them to about the same price. I also anticipate full reviews coming soon tho if you want to hold off until then! Thanks for watching!!

@brianbanks3044 2 месяца назад

this is the first time I came across your channel and I am now subscribed...great information and presentation

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Thanks so much! Only going to get bigger and better from here 👊🏼

@mwarrior6573 2 месяца назад

As a CN paddle manufacturer, you are correct about the legality.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

I’ve never understood why recreational players cared so much about USAPA approval in the first place 🤷🏽‍♂️

@BenjaminAndersonPickleball 2 месяца назад

@@pickleballtechdude Even in rec play, players don't want to lose because their opponent is using an illegal paddle. It just feels bad. I'm personally in favor of upping the limits on spin but it should be universal.

@lesterma1608 Месяц назад

The grit level metric measurement criteria of height vs low, is erroneous, but is number of bumps per sq centermeter,aka like sandpaper grit.Particle size, 100 course vs 400 fine is an example of this with the maximum allowed is approximately 320 grit. Grit is mostly a property of spin, not power. Materials effecting power are what the face and core are made of. I believe that pickleball paddle materials technology is way behind other industries such as, ping ping, aerospace, surfboard, and snow sports, and baseball bats. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg so far and in the coming years the rollercoaster ride has only just started.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

100% agree

@veritech1773 2 месяца назад

what are you using for the paddle hangers on the wall?

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Straight up generic black hooks off Amazon

@kimleith1378 2 месяца назад

Very comprehensive review. Joola needs you in their R&D dept. Floating core designs are going to fade out fast. SST tecnology is superior to PP honeycomb. I'm having no issues with my GB Pro Pwr.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Appreciate the kind words! Gearbox does seem to have less core crushing issues

@mattkhoury 2 месяца назад

I have the Collin Johns Gen 3 and there’s no grit on either side. When I say “none” I mean my Gen 2 has more grit. My local club has all Gen 3 models and each of them have a significantly more grit, except the Collin Johns. It’s night and day and not even close. Even the Anna Bright has as much grit as the other paddles - which is A LOT…so much grit you could sand a 2x4! My paddle has none, and it’s also the same as the club pro’s who plays the same paddle. Unacceptable for a $300 paddle (with no cover)!

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

It’s crazy how it would be so easy to 100% recommend these paddles but these smaller issues hold me back :/

@jmogyoro 2 месяца назад

They sell them at Dick's sporting goods here locally. So you can feel the grit differences on a stack of them. They are all over the map. Some have a lot, some have none. That was the same with Gen 2.

@douglasmurdoch7247 2 месяца назад

My CJ Gen 3 also has almost no grit.

@tagman12 Месяц назад

I have an AB 14 Scorpeus and it’s pretty smooth on both sides. It plays extremely well but the grit is pretty low on mine - seems similar to my Gearbox PPE

@vincentszymborski359 2 месяца назад

Great observations, well done.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Thank you so much for watching 👊🏼

@robbydridesemtb4428 2 месяца назад

I appreciate your input on the new Joola line. My wife bought me a BJ Perseus 3 16mm 10 days ago from our club, The Flying Pickle, Meridian, Id. I have 15-17 hrs on the paddle, and it's changing. I play 2 hrs tomorrow and drill 2 /play 1 again Wednesday. That should be the 20 hr mark. I'll report my findings as noticeable changes seem to be developing?

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Yes please do! Thanks for watching 👊🏼

@chandlereyre8792 Месяц назад

Update on your paddle?

@btreese7 2 месяца назад

It's amazing that these paddles weren't put through a million ball test during development to see how they would react.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

I believe they were… mass production has a really big impact on QC sadly

@49pickles 2 месяца назад

I went to a local retail outlet and the paddle grit was inconsistent from paddle to paddle. Even the same model. I’ve been selling some of my old ones to buy a new Joola. I’m really disappointed. I’m actually looking for a power paddle due to some lack of flexibility. It worked well for me in tennis. Now I don’t know what to do. I currently use a Pickleball Apes Pro Line Energy I’ve got several Six Zero models as well. Had an EVA Rhombus but got so many complaints from other players.

@user-oo9hr6xx9q 2 месяца назад

@partezcroeso3713 Just bought a black diamond infinity. I've been using the DBD16 for a year, new paddles every 4 months. The black diamond infinity feels to me like a massive upgrade on the DBD16. Better pop and power. Much much better spin, I'm a wizard, now! And the control. So accurate. The added pop really makes resetting easy, which sounds strange, I know, but you don't have to swing at all. Counters are scary good, and much faster in the hand than the DBD16--I'm getting a paddle on balls I never would have before, and they don't pop up. An unlooked for bonus has been the lack of edgeguard. Shots off the edgeguard would always go wild, but without an edgeguard, I find those edge shots fly true. Six Zero has made changes to this latest batch of paddles, and they are heavier, with a better sweet spot and twist weight than when they were first released and reviewed. Plays great stock, doesn't need any weight at all.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

The best power paddles I’ve tried that play most like a tennis racquet are the Gearbox Power Pro, OM Aero1, and the Magnus 16. I might even look into the Engage Pursuit MX Pro series. All that being said, companies like 6.0 and CRBN are on the verge of releasing new paddles you might like… so hold off if that interests you!!

@charlieytpw Месяц назад

2.E.6.d nd f mechanical trigger internally causing exponential increase in natural possible excelleration from movement within the core cavity against back of ridge surface of the paddle. It’s a revolver mechanism at impact.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Is this from the 2024 version?

@rp3504 2 месяца назад

I've stayed away from Joola just because of concerns about grit wear. Looks like I am going to keep avoiding them. Currently playing with an Engage Pursuit Pro and thinking about getting the Pro1.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

If you’re looking for a lower SW that’s the only reason I would get the Pro1. If you do grab it my code RAFA at Spinwave also saves you 10% on that 😉

@marceluz2008 2 месяца назад

Would love to get one of these lightly used Joola paddles once you are done testing! I have been playing with an old generation Engage and can’t afford $280 in this new technology. Thanks!

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Thanks so much for watching :)

@marceluz2008 2 месяца назад

@@pickleballtechdudeI forgot to mention I will pay for shipping! 😊

@dh317 2 месяца назад

How did you conclude there’s a break-in period if your paddles haven’t hit the break-in point?

@ATA-wi2lh 2 месяца назад

There isn’t

@Squaredot01 2 месяца назад

some of the other big name paddle reviewers on YT have extensively tested these paddles and said it changes (hits harder) after several play sessions.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Great question - I’ve hit with some paddles from others that feel significantly different. Mine have slowly started to feel more powerful as well it just wasn’t as noticeable when I recorded this

@ATA-wi2lh 2 месяца назад

@@Squaredot01 “subjectively”….these are regular Jo smos. Paddles are just plastic. No need to over think. Basic materials science.

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 2 месяца назад

I see you have the Maverix bag. Have you tested the new Havik-15 yet?

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Matt is getting that out to me ASAP but I’ve heard great things!!

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 2 месяца назад

@pickleballtechdude awesome. Thanks! I have chatted also with the pickleball.dude Dennis who been using that. Looking forward on your take on the Pro and All-Court version if you're also reviewing that

@49pickles 2 месяца назад

Thanks for the review. I’m your newest subscriber!

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Thanks so much!!! Lots more to come 👊🏼

@woodsonsanders1112 2 месяца назад

Great take

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Thank you 🙏🏼

@markpickleball 2 месяца назад

That looks like Dallas Park!

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Cole Park in Dallas yeah!

@peteherrera1502 2 месяца назад

Is there a such thing as an all carbon fiber pickleball paddle whose core is also carbon fiber? if so who makes them?

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Not that I know of but doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or won’t soon haha

@peteherrera1502 2 месяца назад

@@pickleballtechdude I wonder if the elongated gearbox pro power paddle is the closes to accomplishing that

@tanamorgan3039 2 месяца назад

Yeah the “trampoline effect “ is the thing that is illegal and that is just what is advertised in the Joola Gen 3 paddles. Weird.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

I thought so too but technically it’s not illegal anymore? Not according to the 2024 rulebook

@tanamorgan3039 Месяц назад

@@pickleballtechdude thanks...I'll check that out. I got to test one out recently. Im not advanced enough to warrant buying one, but I did play better with it. It is surprisingly controllable. I don't hit hard enough to ever bring on the crunching people talk about.

@danieln5578 2 месяца назад

What time were you at cole? That place is always packed

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

😂 was there in the late morning to avoid the rush

@cookesj 2 месяца назад

shoutout to Cole Park!

@davidj7516 2 месяца назад

PPA could care less, about the players, or the sport. Do you really think PPA is going to do anything when most of their best pros are using JOOLA? I heard when Selkirk came out with a letter about the new Gen 3s, PPA terminated the player paddle challenge.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

That’s super interesting where did you hear that? I know PPA got rid of the testing short-term but not sure why

@davidj7516 Месяц назад

@@pickleballtechdude I heard it from one of the best podcasts (IMHO) out there. But it would be something PPA would do, IMO.

@cjudo 2 месяца назад

what did you think of the gherkin?

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Full review coming in the next week or so!

@rjmcneely8545 2 месяца назад

Why not just mandate that all paddles have a smooth surface. Let players overall skill determine best player rather than the just best spinners

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Because capitalism 😝

@rjmcneely8545 Месяц назад

@@pickleballtechdude Paddles could have other points of differentiation. Like golf balls/clubs. Baseball bats. But would just have to be smooth. But I understand what you’re saying. The sport just isn’t far enough along in its evolution

@peteherrera1502 2 месяца назад

I have two gearbox pro power paddles and I am a responsible player in that I will not hit the ball hard at people who have a less ability then myself when playing so I work on placement, instead, in that case when playing against them and I really like these paddles a lot and I am 65 and just started playing pickleball and I see no problem with the power or the speed of these paddles. if someone using these paddles scares you then don't play against someone who is using them. I am tired of these great paddles getting a negative review because of their power and people being afraid. Do not let fear control your life.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Definitely don’t see an issue with the power it’s just hard to adjust to! The only thing I have an issue with is if the power is generated by an unfair advantage…

@peteherrera1502 2 месяца назад

@@pickleballtechdude if you are not sponsored by a company and have to play with their paddles then you can buy this same paddle and then their is no unfair advantage. I let people use my other one all of the time

@filipinojacktolentino6735 2 месяца назад

My co worker got one today and we warmed up then started playing after 6 swings his handle broke, I think it's a shit paddle

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

No way 😱😱😱

@123BV8 2 месяца назад

2, 3 hour training sessions and core crush……

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Insane!

@123BV8 Месяц назад

Going on two weeks and getting the run around from Joola…….

@123BV8 Месяц назад

They got back with an order form which says order complete 00.00 no description for what it is and a return label so not sure what they are saying. Asked, will see.

@tomski1111 Месяц назад

Can you please review the J2K?

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Incoming very soon!!

@davejohnson8338 2 месяца назад

I just want to point out I bought this paddle and I still suck; In fact, I’m probably worse now because they’re pretty hard to use.

@Tk_Malo 2 месяца назад

Try out the GRUVN raw 13x paddle out thank me later. Also $150 cheaper than these gen 3s

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Yeah if you were already decent/good there’s smth to be said about how you have to change your play style to accommodate this kind of power…

@brianbanks3044 2 месяца назад

the same thing happened to me when I got the GearBox pro and the ball was flying on me and I thought I was a pretty decent player...Ruby is best for me in control and power

@robedwards6926 Месяц назад

Joola will not respond to my email or answer phone calls, been trying to get a refund for 2 week + Horrible business practices and customer service.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

That isn’t a great look for sure :/

@nadzoll 2 месяца назад

What or who is the big pickle?

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Pickleball governing corporations aka PPA, USAPA, APP, etc who make all the “rules”

@charlieytpw Месяц назад

Trampoline affect.

@pickleballtechdude Месяц назад

Not explicitly in the rules anymore :/

@tcolley 2 месяца назад

Pickleball needs to decide if it’s a game or sport. Game, go back to wood paddles. Sport, let companies innovate within rules & stop whining. Also stop it w/ the safety nonsense… A wiffle ball is harmless w/ eye protection

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Absolutely there’s way less risk with eye protection - but the fact that you would NEED eye protection when like you said the sport is played with a whiffle ball kinda sucks…

@tcolley Месяц назад

@@pickleballtechdude fair point but I’m looking forward to seeing the data. There’s a lot of exaggerating and hyperbole going on

@afterthesmash Месяц назад

I don't worry about getting hit with the ball, but I wouldn't call the ball harmless. I've been struck several times in a way that left a bruise for days. One time I got tagged hard in the nerp by the edge of the ball hole. That hurt more than I thought it could. But I didn't pay much attention, because pain is mostly a mental thing. But I was ignoring a heck of a lot more pain that I expected to experience.

@nadzoll 2 месяца назад

oops, RAFA doesn’t work.

@pickleballtechdude 2 месяца назад

Can I ask where you tried to use it? Thanks for watching!!!

@nadzoll 2 месяца назад

@@pickleballtechdude Your website