Hi there, awesome take! Although I'm familiar with planar technology in bigger cans, It's very interesting to hear your analysis of its implementation into iems, and spending some extra time to give it a decent frame before going in for comparison is great. A little nitpicky note - I would suggest referring to each set by name instead of "this" and "that" since sometimes people just listen to the audio of the review while working or doing something else, and can't se visual cues such a you pointing at sets with a finger. This would make it more useful to wider range of viewers/listeners. Thanks, and keep up to great work!
Your description of the sound characteristics matches my experience (decades) of listening to Magnepan planar loudspeakers and more recently HifiMAN headphones. The thing I found that demonstrates the difference best is bowed double bass; you can hear the wood, the chest of the instrument, the delicious rasp and the nature of the strings like it's in the room. If you're not used to this it can sound like you've lost something, but when your ears get used to the reality, you realise you've actually gained a hell of a lot. I think this is down to the flat surface of the planar driver stopping instantly due to its lightness and the greater resistance of air due its larger surface area. This means you 'lose' the usual overshoot and time overhang of unwanted bass artefacts, which in turn means no complexity can overwhelm this type of reproduction and nothing is masked by the accurate bass. I will definitely be purchasing these. Thanks!
You pointed out the most important thing, to have fun is the most important thing to remember, I don't need to spend thousands of dollars for this, I've heard much more expensive stuff, but if I even compare my etymotic er2 to my monarchs 700 dollars already become ridiculously expensive. Value and honest opinions is my way to go in this hobby 👍 Thanks for your reviews 👍
I've spent closee to $3K chasing the ultimate planar IEM across differnent price brackets over the last 2 years. It started with the P1 which led me to oBravo Cupid, IMR EDP, IMR EDP and a host of others. I love the RAH but Timeless is without a question my favorite non hybrid Planar. This thing is remarkable. I've got about 80 hours on them and they are improving. Tip selection makes a huge difference with these; they like Wide Bore tips, but my favorite on these after much experimentation is the Tennmak Strong Foams.
@@psysword for me, the cupids are a c, the timeless is an A. The treble always came across as veiled and muted to me. They had more bass than the P1 but I was quite disappoi Ted with them. The timeless give more bass I quantity and texture and far, ore upper register detail. I also found the timber and tonality off on the cupids but I am recalling from more than a year old memory
Man, amazing review, sub! I have exactly same experience with the Timeless. Maybe its because we have the same daps:) But seriously, my way more expensive iems and headphones are in boxes since i received the Timeless. IBasso IT07, Beyerdynamic Xelento, Focal Radiance dont give me this specific feeling of music like these planars. My best pairing with my dx312EXN was IT07- great detail, staging, holography, bass response etc. But when i plug the Timeless, there is a freshness, realism, natural, effortless detail and what you described and other reviewers failed to mention- natural reverbs. They are so engaging and musical, while still having great amount of detail.
Thank you for the video .... cassette head, screw driver to tune the alignment what bliss ! but an amorphous head was just a pipe dream until I got out of my teens, got a job and worked months to get one.
I ended up getting the 7hz and I was rather skeptical being that I'm a headphone guy. I haven't used an iem ever and only used earbuds, which again, haven't used in a LONG time. Feels nice to know I at least made a decent decision with them being my first iem. I adore planers and are interested to get my hand on my set when they arrive as well as your review!
@@AudioLevels I certainly hope so, especially after watching your take on them! They were already on the way prior to watching your review so it has me even more excited and curious now! Just gotta wait til October to get them, but for sure I will leave my thoughts on here
@@AudioLevels You know, I just realized something. Why don't you do a video on the best iem for gaming? Since you have such a VAST collection of them, im sure would be easy for you to compare and contrast.
Just got the Timeless today. They sound wonderful. They have immediacy and a you-are-there presence that surprises me. I thought my mp3s just sucked. But it was my headphones, which I have many of, but nothing at the 7Hz Timeless level.
Great review of the 7hz Timeless. I'll come around to getting me a pair and get a listen. However, the Tin P1's on the Xduoo XD-05 Plus is dope. Gotta give the P1's some juice.
Really nice Video. I had the tin hifi p1 and loved it but due to ill health and not able to work I had to sell them which I really regret but hopefully in the future will be able to afford another pair or may these ones thanks fantastic videos.
Aww... Audio Levels (don't know your name, sorry)- If you're giving away a set of P1s, just give them to Paul. Don't do a drawing. Anyone who has to sell their gear because of health reasons deserves the P1s. I bought my Andromedas because I was so stressed out at work and just dealing with the pandemic in general. They were the best health investment I've ever made. Far better than a stationary bike or some other crap. In my opinion, listening to good music on good equipment will add years to your life.
@@astorbeijer9424 hi thanks hope you are well and doing well. I regret selling my P1s but due being diagnosed with Kidney Cancer and a Brain Tumour and not able to work my finances are not good so had to sell my fantastic tin hifi P1s but fingers crossed things will get better soon and I can afford to get another pair. Take care and thanks. Paul.
I'd like to point out the importance of using the right tips. Foam tips provide not only a good seal and isolation but what I can only refer to as an insulating property. It not only is very important to the 7hz Timeless but for every single IEM I own. I used to just use whatever came with my IEMs but I've found that after more than a couple dozen sets that using Foams always improves the sound I get from any IEM. If they're just bad that of course comes through as well but it still improves the sound to the best that the IEM can provide. I use a mix of Comply, Dekoni and the Blue Marshmallows of Joy Linsoul Foams that are packaged with the Tin T2s. Amazon now carries those Blue Foams from Linsoul and for $9.99 you get 3 sets. The only negative is they only come in medium but I've found with Foam Tips unless you have extremely large or super small ear canals medium will fit and be comfortable as long as they are quality foam and not hard or to soft/porous. I haven't tried the new hybrid that's basically silicone filled with a foam inner part, if anyone has I'd be curious to know what they thought of them? Sorry for the TLDR but I wish I could get more people to try good foam tips because they really do make a world of difference any IEM with everything from stage to how the IEM sounds...
Had 60's audio stuff turntable with bookshelf speakers. The breakthrough came with the Sony Walkman. Just great. (It was shown on Johnny Carson as an odd new Japanese invention when it meant nothing to us in the West. We had no idea soon everyone would have one.) Years later, I got a Denon portable CD player -- almost a prototype. The funny thing was it ran on little lead-acid batteries. Try picking up some of those at the drugstore!
Thanks for this interesting review ,I’m one of the people who bought the P1 when it got released ,and I totally agree with you that its impressive in performance as compared with its price .as you said it needs a lot of power to shine .but I would like to mention few notes about the P1 ,I did tried it with my 2 DAP’s ,the pioneer XDP-300 and the FIIO M11 pro ,as well I tried it with my desktop AMPs /DAC’s ,IFI black label micro , schiit audio jotunheim with multibit DAC ,topping DX7 Pro ,SMSL SU-8 with SMSL SP200 , geshelli labs ENOG-2 with Drop THX 789 .and I found it really perform the best with the pioneer DAP XDP-300 ,though it’s the least power among my arsenal .so I think its not about the power of the amp as much as impedance or the amp stage circuit type .that’s why I had to keep that specific DAP to combine it with the P1 .looking forward for your comparison between the timeless and the P1
I had similar experiences, Fiio daps for example didn't play that well, also anyncold sources. I had the xdp 300 at that time and it was a great match. Right now I pair it with a balanced cable and detgonray honey h1 and is incredible for resolution
@@jaroslavfricek7772 i used Fiio LC-4.4B at the beginning ,then i start having problem with that cable at the point of the MMCX connection with the earphone on one side it was lose ,so i bought few of Linsoul's TRIPOWIN C8 to use them with my IEM's ,they were working fine so far for more than a year
I wish you could get the ier-z1r and try them out, those are my main driver and they're delightful. I have the p1 and I love the bass although I have to raise the volume a lot. Looking forward comparing these and the p1s.
@@AudioLevels hey, how much better are z1r iem compared to 7hz timeless? I am kind of saving for z1r but am having doubts if I should just start with timeless because of the hype and price is very good
Just into my second hour of these black beauties. Very impressed for £185 inc tax. For my hearing, I have to go to £400+ giant over-ear planars to beat them. They are transparent enough to disappear and let the music through. Great punch and balance. Lee Scratch Perry says yes.
Used to listen to my old man’s Sony Radio with a pair of fake beats earphones that I saved up for over the period of a year to listen to hip hop exclusives. Best music sessions ever😂 Thanks for the awesome review 🙏🏾
Thank you for explaining the technologies! It was educational to me. Hear lot of positive comments about Timeless earphones by 7Hz. Is not it that fantastic. Can't help waiting for mine. Do you like mmcx connector in Timeless?
Thanks, im always a little worried people switch off at that part because some viewers know a lot but I want to make it as accessible for people new to the hobby and may not be aware of the benefits of the different configurations in the gear. The MMCX connector was great on my set very secure click but it wasn't stiff which is good.
@@AudioLevels thanks for the answer. I haven't yet experienced a mmcx connector but I have heard controversial views. So great that is is safe. I am not worried.
Fantastic review, I’m glad I found your channel. I would agree with one of the comments below, as a totally blind person, this and this when pointing at different headphones doesn’t really work for me, but I recognise I’m in the minority. However, audio is one of those areas where I can actually enjoy all of it without anyone else’s intervention. I’m trying to find things to maximise my enjoyment of music again after kind of falling out of love with it after training to be a recording engineer. I have successfully transferred my skills to radio production and, I’m looking at producing a new music program. So looking to put together a few different sets of in ears and headphones to give me as good at listening experience as possible. My first player was a Sony Walkman, I could still see at the time and I remember it being quite a bright red. I used to crank it quite loud and listen on the headphones that came with it to meatloaf’s bat out of hell to. First got into mini disk with and MZR 70, again Sony. And yes, stock earphones again! Spent most of my adult life using Bayer dynamic headphones either DT250 80 om or DT770 80 Om. for studio stuff both music and radio. And just because they were there, to listen to music as well. So, you could say I’m on a bit of a voyage of discovery. Would welcome any suggestions anyone has for anything they think I should try.
I couldn’t finish the video because I was very frustrated by the referring to different items is this or this. The video is not nearly engaging enough visually to not multitask and just listen to it while doing whatever. At first I figured every time you said this you meant the timeless but then I looked at the video for a sec and noticed you were picking up the monarch and saying it and realized I had just totally misunderstood what you had been saying.
I had a megabass Sony walkmen so sexy and cool…I remember George Michael Faith, Michael Jackson Bad, Pet shop boys, Erasure but also Kate Bush, Sting and music from Amadeus movie…😁😎♥️✌️
Happy New Year! Wish you the best!💫Thanks a lot for all your reviews, they're really honest, professional and awesome! Keep it up! If you don't mind I have a couple of questions. How do these iems reproduce vocals? I'll explain. I used Dan Clark Aeon 2 closed-back headphones so the voices sounded like a step or two behind you and it was a problem to me cause I prefer vocals one or two steps in front of you. So what about 7hz Timeless? I listen to a lot of RU-vid, podcasts and tv shows so my main priority is to hear natural, clear, well-articulated and pleasant voices without any sibilance. Would you tell me please if 7hz Timeless is my cup of tea? Or maybe there is some iems better for my priority? Budget is not a problem up to $500.
As an owner of the 7hz and someone who uses them for what you're wanting to do with them I can say they're excellent. They work very well for vocals or just listening to someone talk. They're excellent for watching movies as well and of course they punch well above their price point for just listening to music whether for fun and just enjoying it or critical listening. They're also above average for multimedia use, crystal clear and easy to understand what's being said. I would advise though that you use Foam Tips with them for the best result be they Comply, Dekoni or the Blue Ones from Linsoul that come with the Tin T2's that can be bought separately on Amazon for $9.99 for 3 sets. I've found that for most IEMs if you're using anything but good quality Foams you're probably not getting everything you can from them. Isolation and Seal as well as insulating the sound is so very important with any IEM that it can make the difference between loving or hating a set. Best of luck and the short answer is the 7hz are excellent for their price and well above it for all things listening...
I already purchase my timeless.. It is best planar i ever tried(iem).. I love the airy, ditailed, and planar timbre.. The bass is quite big but thin.. I try it with acoustune eartips.. But some reviewer report it the sound quality can be changed with different eartips..
Great review. Thanks. Would you rec these over others in this price bracket for all round music listening? I have no experience with planars but am curious. Don't have a lot of experience with iems. Been using shure 215s for years but only recently came to realise how muddy they sound. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks
Yes these or the p1, personally i prefer the p1 as if suits my style but one is not better than the other. However i consider both to be a on a par with tribrids in terms of enjoyment. While the technicalities of tribrids are undoubtable, these hold there own due to their unique soundscape. Provided you have a source capable of driving them the are outstanding value.
Any recommendations for IEMs that are great for male vocals, genres: rap, rock, jazz/orchestral jazz, budget $500 U.S or below. I like a natural, but warm sound with slight bass emphasis and vocals that don’t sound thin (I have the moondrop starfield and Fiio FA9). Some IEMs I was looking at were the 7hz timeless, SeeAudio Bravery, B2, B2 Dusk, Sony IER-M7, and Thieaudio Oracle. However, I don’t have any way of trying these where I live so I’m sure which would be suitable for me. If you have ones to recommend besides those that would work too
Think I just wetted my pants after picking up your enthusiasm... ;-) Narrowed down my shortlist to the 7Hz Timeless, Kiwi Ears Orchestra, and Softears RSV. If the 7Hz weren't so big my choice would have been made, as the relatively low $219 is still a LOT to throw away if they don't fit my small to medium sized ears.
Ordered mine at the beginning of the month and they should be here on Monday/Tuesday. Looking forward to them. The FR is like the SE846 but with a lot more treble extension which is what I want. Also with Planar speed and one driver I'm hoping for good things. How do you find the soundstage depth, is there any? What part of Scotland are you in? ... I'm Ayrshire way.
Thanks for the detailed review. I'm fairly new to the IEM world, and these videos really help lay out the staggering variety of driver combinations, tunings, fit and comfort etc. One of my go to headphones is the Hifiman Sundara, would the Tinhifi P1 approximate that sound signature in an IEM? Can you drive the P1s with a cell phone? Thanks very much. Geoffrey
You won't get the sense of space you get with Sundara. A phone will drive P1 well enough that they work, but you will be disappointed in how they sound. They require more power to drive them well, and their sound scales with the power you provide them.
@@benjamincarter6095 Thanks Benjamin for your insights. My feeling is to hold off on planar iems for the time being. There aren't an abundance of choices yet, but I'm pretty sure there will be. Cheers G
@@benjamincarter6095 sound pressure level of them is 104db. yeah if you want to listen to a level that will destroy your ears with time, go with a amp and fuck up your ear. you 100% dont need a amp ( more power ) to listen with these in a good level.
@@eiskalterorangensaft P1? You get jack for low end of of P1s without amplification, and little sense of space. Sounds like mosquitoes singing in your ears from an inch away.
Hey unrelated, but I am looking to make a purchase in the very near future. Moondrop Blessing 2: Dusk vs Thieaudio Excaliber. These are where I am leaning, out of the two which has greater value? And in the price rage of these, is there something else I should be considering first? Thanks for everything you do.
Those are Acoustune AET08 tips. Take care of those. From my experience, got those brand new a couple of weeks ago and one piece easily broke when I first removed it from an IEM nozzle.
Just subbed, great insight and content! Thank you. With your knowledge and experience, would you recommend the Timeless for smartphone use? No amps here. Everything sounds good based on many reviews, but I'm uncear if they'll run well on my basic smartphones. I'm a very intrigued novice hobbyist in audio and currently own the BL03 and TC01. Thanks in advance for any input and suggestions!
I'd love to see these vs the Moondrop Blessing 2 Dusk. The dusk is one of the best mid-fi sets imo, and I would love to know how these planars stack up to the pinnacle of mid-fi hybrids.
I guess I'd also love to see a comparison on 7hz Timeless vs the Thieaudio tribrids. The price difference is pretty massive (esp up against the monarch), but its still super interesting to know what one well tuned planar driver compares to really solid tribrids.
From what people say the planars are amazing for technicalities, and that is precisely the point of adding all the different drivers in the tribrids. So, it would be very interesting from a technical stand point. Especially now we have the Timeless as a legitimately well tuned planar.
I have the Shoure Tapes. Are the timeless a monumental step up from those? I am stingy, but would be interested in getting these if they are vastly better/different.
I'm in the market for in ear headphones but have little knowledge on the subject and have limited funds...I just wonder if you would recommend a set up for around £150 for mainly listening on my iPhone...is this possible? I have a varied taste in music and enjoy modern well produced songs.
@@AudioLevels I also gather you liked what you heard compared to the white ones? I'm stuck with the white ones for now lol Got to find a tip that brings out the minds and get rid out the "shouty" sound you get sometimes with certain songs using the white ones.
Please advice an upgrade from fiio Fh3 ..with simillar bass heavy and better sounding around 200 dollar. I listen to Indian Punjabi beat and Bollywood Hindi music.thanks
Tinhifi p2 vs 7hz timeless, the p2 are a higher price range but I just want to know if they are worth it. The 7hz Has good bass and that's what my selling point is.
You don't explain what music you use as reference for your sound description 🤷🏽♂️.. it's all about the music afterall isn't it? You use the term slam to talk about bass but on what track??
@@HieuBui-bp6yx Like most have said, Starfields have that sparkle in the highs that WOWs most. Mele has a warm & fun tuning with tight punchy bass that dominates the sound. Love both. I would guess Aria has a great mix of both sounds?
Great review and video. Please replace the word “this” with the name of the item for those like myself that are listening not watching your fingers point back and forth. Cheers
Different tunings?? Wtf? The only job audio-equipment has, is to represent the recording as close to the original as possible. So, as linear as possible. I'm not surprised why headphones has no treble today, with those horrible hiphop, edm and other shitty, shrill electronic productions! Which is NOT music btw!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
False, but ill play 😂 What is as close to the original as possible? How did it sound in real life? How does it sound in the studio? How does it sound when the artist approves a master after listening to a compressed master on his phone speaker? What is what was intended? This is an old argument one that has been beaten to death. Linear is what you are looking for then grab an 02 DAC/Amp and a set XR4SR and be done.... great for monitoring... boring as all get out to listen to hehe Its the whole reason why high-end loudspeaker and headphone manufacturers have their own target curves based on what the end consumer enjoys listening to. Peoples tastes vary depending on lots of factors, age, exposure, geography, and different IEM's, Headphones and Speakers tuning is altered to accommodate that. You want treble headphones? DT990 Beyer K701 AKG T2 Beyer Stax
@@AudioLevels well, it seems that the typical diffused field target curve followed by etymotic and others is not so unmusical to many audiophiles, if you compare it with the Harman target curve (which more and more headphones seem to comply with, including the timeless). The Harman target basically adds a bass boost to the diffused field target curve.
@@mobbaddictchannel Ther are reasons why those ettymotics etc are favoured by those that seek a flat tuning and a reason the offer and XR version.if that's musical to them then it is, to me as an ety user for 20 odd years they are definitely not what I pick up for that prupose. Theres also 4 harmon targets the last time I check, not sure the split between on ear and over ear but they keep differing. Then their are other curves companies produce to cater to taste. None are more audiophile than the other. ER4 can sound good to me at the right time and so can a Mammoth etc. Different strokes.
DUNU is the best. This IEMs lacks some important details. Everyone simply exaggerating the Plannar. I didn't discover the reality until I did some critical auditioning. Disgraceful....
@@AudioLevels you may be biased. What's the money ? Why do you pay for something that doesn't serve the purpose ? I remark how I perceive quality. Give more professional solution, than just judgement.
