Are They The SAME THING?...Gold Dot vs Fusion AR-15 Self-Defense AMMO Test!

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Testing some Federal Fusion and Speer Gold Dot .223 ammo. Are they actually the same rounds? Great options for self-defense and hunting? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Ruger MPR AR-15.
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@johnanderson3405 11 месяцев назад

Beautiful performance by both for sure. I’d probably just make a decision based on price if I were in the market. Good stuff as always Tools!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Same here. Thank you sir.😎👊

@nikos6220 11 месяцев назад

That’s the stuff you need to stockpile for SHTF. Will keep you safe and fill the cooler if needed. If it weren’t for the price… total no brainer

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yep. Do-all rounds.

@TerminalM193 11 месяцев назад

These are great rounds for sure. Perform great across a wide range of barrel lengths. I keep 75g speer gold dot for the ranch. Sadly it's too exspensive to stack like M193 & 77g Razorcore

@CrashRacknShoot 11 месяцев назад

Hey man, you're the best at what you do. Any time I ever want to know about a round, you either pop that test up, or already have it made. Thanks for all the work!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Really appreciate that.😎👊

@timjohnson8390 11 месяцев назад

Making the 18" barrel great again!!!!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@delles1548 11 месяцев назад

Another enjoyable ballistics test. A couple of years ago, I was able to purchase 500 Federal Fusion 62gr bullets from a reloading site who sold pulled bullets from demilled ammo. The bullets look perfect, and I intended to load them in 223 for deer, hogs and other. Since I am still using the last of my 63gr Sierra SMP's and 65gr Game Kings, I haven't used the Fusions on deer yet. It is good to see the excellent expansion, and penetration is perfect for my needs.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that. Those are definitely a treasure these days.😎👍

@currituck 7 месяцев назад

I've uses the .223 62 gr Fusion on deer. Devastating. 2 holes right thru the lungs. Just keep your shots under 100 yards. I also use the .270 150 gr Fusion. Fantastic.

@Biomass1 25 дней назад

@@currituckI've taken them out to around 300. Winchester 64 gr PowerPoint is my goto though. Taken many deer with both.

@scpatriot5270 11 месяцев назад

Now these two are for me what i think are serious self defense rounda in ar's!!!👍

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yessir 😎👍

@DuhYaThink 6 месяцев назад

Great job bud 👍🏻 just found your channel and dig the thoroughly tested rounds.

@racecitypatriot66 11 месяцев назад

Always like a good ar test. Thanks Tool's.👍

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

@normal1972 11 месяцев назад

That is awesome to see. I keep Fusions loaded in my AR for home defense and had tested them in water jugs with good results. Glad to see them do well in your much better tests. Thank you!

@scarifrougeone7225 11 месяцев назад

Awesome the Ruger MPR has reappeared. Good to see it on the table. Absolute nice shot placement with really good performance in the wound channel and expansion. .223 love those test. Good commentary and video. I really like Soft Points. They are impressive. That’s what I prefer for .223 👍 use them both. You have set the bar my friend! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Have a great weekend!😎👊

@scarifrougeone7225 11 месяцев назад

@@ToolsandTargets You Too! 🫡

@chriswalsh9989 11 месяцев назад

Great review Tools, been waiting on this one and that federal did exactly what i like to see as well!! Extremely pleased with those results, definitely gonna be keeping a mag of those loaded around the house. Thanks for all your hard work!!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@darrenbishop4327 10 месяцев назад

I use the Speer in my ar15. I’ll definitely be picking up more after seeing their performance. Thank you sir for your hard work bringing us this great info.

@bobg.8954 11 месяцев назад

I'd be happy AF to use these for home defense! Awesome performance and another great video! Appreciate it T!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@stephensmith1519 8 месяцев назад

Been looking at the fusion for home defense. Appreciate this video.

@CM-nq3so 11 месяцев назад

Excellent stuff, ammo and testing. 👍

@JohnSmith-ii2ct 11 месяцев назад

Amazing. Channels like yours is the reason why I watch RU-vid. Excellent review AND test results to help the general public. You've earned yourself a subscriber, friend.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊

@vernonbruce3722 11 месяцев назад

You have the BEST channel on you tube for ammo testing. I always look to you for making my decisions on ammo purchases in respect to defensive ammo. I look forward to your videos. Keep up the good work man.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Really appreciate that!

@rawknbearbell7032 11 месяцев назад

Cool video once again bro, really enjoying the content. Keep crushing !

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that, my friend!😎👊

@peady64 11 месяцев назад

I've just stumbled upon your channel. I haven't stopped watching since yesterday. Great Channel!!! One thing about the Gold Dot 223/ 5.56 ammo, you can't find it anywhere. Federal for the win just for availability alone.

@jackbaird5235 11 месяцев назад

As always another great test tools!!!! Absolutely one of the best and honest channels on RU-vid

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate ya!😎👊

@Adam-nv9zo 11 месяцев назад

Great performance, for sure. Great video, as always, brother. 👏 👏 👏

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@gwidwock 11 месяцев назад

Great video! Thanks!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that!😎👊

@richardhillier442 11 месяцев назад

Great job Tools 😊

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that.😎👊

@poncho12335 4 месяца назад

Just subbed. Really enjoy these videos. JELLY TIME love it. Have plenty of the black tip in different weights. Hard to pass on the stuff when they put it on sale. Haven't shot any yet so it was great seeing you test them. Not a bad round by any means, but like you I prefer a round that expands but holds weight. The great thing about these rounds which ever one goes on sale or is cheaper you can expect the same performance. Once again thank you for all these videos. keeps us well informed.

@ToolsandTargets 4 месяца назад

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

@CookieMonster_1969 11 месяцев назад

Thanks again for the testing you are doing.👍 You make my ammo selection easy.😁

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@billscheid8073 11 месяцев назад

Just commenting to help my favorite channel in the algorithm lol. My man deserves way more views and love on RU-vid. Love the consistent testing, comparisons of rounds we actually use, and of course the host himself

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that, my friend!😎👊

@johnstewart2011 16 дней назад

Another good test; thanks. And one thing I appreciate is your mentioning that tiny weight differences are likely due to manufacturing tolerances. It’s always amusing to see comments in videos that try to account for a couple tenths of a grain difference from a weighed result and what is shown on a box as if that was due to the performance in test medium.

@ToolsandTargets 16 дней назад

Appreciate that. I assume a lot of times that folks should know things like that, but I'm coming to realize more and more that a lot really don't.😆

@michaeldonivan4955 11 месяцев назад

Agree with you. Fragspansion, so to speak, is not what I am looking for in any type of defensive round. Expansion and penetration is what I want and these excelled. Will go with whatever is on sale.... because I'm "frugal."

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Don't blame ya! Appreciate you joining The Range Gang!😎👊

@stevenkennedy4130 11 месяцев назад

Another good one! Thanks!!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that.😎👊

@YellowHammer26 11 месяцев назад

👍👍great job by you and both rounds. I’ve always loved soft point ammo and have been deer hunting with them for years with great success in several different calibers.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Some good stuff for sure.😎👍

@rsbreeze 11 месяцев назад

Good test! All Speer soft point boat tail spitzer bullets are the best! Hunted with it forever!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Love these bonded rounds.😎👊

@rogerray2545 11 месяцев назад

I was wondering about that federal fusion thanks a lot brother good test

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Good stuff.😎👍

@kevindutton3676 11 месяцев назад

Jelly work on point as usual. I’m impressed even though the speed was lackin.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@glowplugs 11 месяцев назад

Awesome informative video and both rounds are awesome too

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@paulmo-we1mw 11 месяцев назад

Hey Tools, another awesome video! 👍👍👊

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that, brother!😎👊

@caleb6988 11 месяцев назад

Oh yeah no doubt that they are the same projectile. Both preformed excellent and expanded great. Big thank you brother tools for another excellent freedom seed test.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you, my friend.😎👊

@adamrodgers2377 11 месяцев назад

I don't know about the newest Federal Fusion but there older 556 was loaded with the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. My Daughter used a 64gr version to take her first White Tail Doe when she was 9 years old. They are a very good Self Defense Load and I have no worry's taking these Southern White Tails with them out to about 100 to 150 yards.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

💥🦌💥

@Dwayne7834 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing. Both performed very similar. And either way you couldn’t go wrong..

@bobwilson758 11 месяцев назад

Right ! Agreed - that’s the point !

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yessir.😎👍

@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 11 месяцев назад

Perfect timing, Brian! I just bought a box of the Fusion for testing out of my 16" AR but it looks like now all I have to do is get my velocity data! I agree with you 100% about the performance of these two rounds, they do seem identical. And like you, I prefer the performance of a round that doesn't explode on target. I have some but save them for varmints. Anything that bites or could shoot back gets the good stuff! And this definitely qualifies as the good stuff! Damn, I didn't realize you're a psychic, too! Great work as usual, keep it up! Cheers, jc

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Nice!😎👊

@truthhurts7836 11 месяцев назад

I'll take either round with that outcome as always appreciate the videos keep them coming 👍.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yessir. Great stuff.😎👊

@williamgaines9784 11 месяцев назад

The Federals are also sold as "MSR" using 16" barrel stats. They are pretty accurate from my 18 in. Ruger MPR, and a grandson got his first deer using the MSR Fusions in it at 100 yds, season before last. Hit her a bit high, but she dropped right there.

@CrashRacknShoot 11 месяцев назад

Congrats to the little dude

@williamgaines9784 11 месяцев назад

@@CrashRacknShoot He was a bit smaller then, but he's almost 6' tall now! #growinglikeaweed

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

💥🦌💥

@gk5891 9 месяцев назад

SAAMI Specifications 24" Barrel all Rifle Calibers with only five exceptions: 20" Barrel 7.62x39mm .30 Carbine .300 ACC Blackout .350 Remington Magnum .44 Remington Magnum (Rifle) Unless a SAAMI member cartridge manufacturer specifically states otherwise that's what barrel length a rifle cartridge was tested from.

@williamgaines9784 9 месяцев назад

@@gk5891 Don't tell that to Buffalo Bore. They chrono test many of their ammo in actual guns, short and long. The MSR ammo specifically says 16" barrel, that does not make it outside SAAMI specs. That is a statement of particular performance.

@Biomass1 25 дней назад

I use Winchester 64 gr PowerPoint and Fusion 62 gr on deer and haven't lost one yet. 1 to 5 deer yearly. I trust both out to about 300 yds or so.

@haully112 11 месяцев назад

Fusions have been my go to hunting rounds for 10+ years.

@Mack5749 11 месяцев назад

Enjoyed thanks

@OldGlaseye-gf7si 11 месяцев назад

Really like your videos..the 'urban camo' one was great..Love that shirt and hat. No BS, no politics..just gear..bravo.

@HWG-wm8ld 11 месяцев назад

I get better groups with the fusion than out of federal bthp gold medal match in my DD M4 and 5V1. Great show bud!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@treetop.garage 11 месяцев назад

Some great performance tools ..great video buddy

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Enjoy your Sunday!

@rjw261984 11 месяцев назад

Great results! I would use whichever one was cheaper at the time. 🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Agreed.😎👊

@steelpunisher6944 11 месяцев назад

Nice! I’d venture to say they are the same load. Which if one is cheaper than the other you can rest east buying that one. Pretty much perfect performance in my book. I like that fact they stayed together and retained full weight. Awesome test as always my friend 👍🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@l.a.3887 11 месяцев назад

Absolutely fantastic test with those bullets they are exactly the same cool video thanks

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that!😎👊

@freshfowler1398 11 месяцев назад

Same bullet, different powder/powder mix for flash suppression for Gold Dot LE tactical use. Excellent test Tools!!!💯🎯🙏

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@keithreese9636 11 месяцев назад

Looks same to me, both had 5 pedals peeled back. Fusion didn't shoot accurate in my 223 mod 700. But very accurate in my mod70s 308win.& expansion & weight retention are top notch. Did a jug test with 150gr in 308win@ close range, caught bullet in 5th jug, expanded over .75 & weighed 128.5 grains 86% weight retention! Fusions are great & affordable, thanks Tools great review!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@charlesmckinley29 11 месяцев назад

Thanks Tool! We just need to buy whichever we can find or the cheaper one if their is a choice. 👍

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yep

@MeMadeIt 11 месяцев назад

Couldn't be happier with these tests, Tools! 👍 I picked up some MSR Fusion 62gr a while back when Gold Dots were really scarce. Then I lucked into a great bulk deal on 62gr Gold Dots for just under $1/rd, including tax and delivery. 👍

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

That was a steal!

@Bob-lq9ys 11 месяцев назад

Another great test, I reload soft points, Thank you for testing .223 rounds. Great Job

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@Mbartel500 11 месяцев назад

Now that's what I'm talkin' about…these rounds are ridin' the lightnin'

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yessir 😎👊

@jeffreybean5363 11 месяцев назад

Great Ammo test Tools 👊🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@michaelbarfield528 11 месяцев назад

Great review and comparison! Speer Gold Dot 62gr are my go to AR-15 self defense cartridge......period!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Good stuff.😎👍

@JMane3000 11 месяцев назад

I love my Ruger MPR . Good test tools 👍🏻

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Very smooth shooting rifle.😎👊

@ReloadingMoreAD1966 11 месяцев назад

Great Testing... Have a great week

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@bobwilson758 11 месяцев назад

Those .223 rounds are nice - Will purchase . Thanks big buddy ! Good video/info appreciated !

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@randyhavard6084 11 месяцев назад

Picked up some of that federal fusion a couple months back, glad to see what it's going to do in the jelly

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Great stuff.

@semichiganandy2127 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the test, they're both excellent performers. They probably come off of the same line.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Mhmm

@CircleBrewery 21 день назад

Nice can’t wait to see the fusion tipped on shelves 😊

@d.hayward5232 11 месяцев назад

TOTALLY AGREE!!! The fragmenting rounds are fun to watch, and effective for sure. But for my money, this is what I want to see from the projectile. Kinda wishing we reached 1,000ft/lbs of energy, but as you have said previously, I'm just nit-picking now.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@leroycaudill96 11 месяцев назад

Good shooting Tools good test and good ammo I would buy either.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@riflemaster1 11 месяцев назад

Great video, awesome performance from the .223 I would use them in my Henry Long Ranger

@homersaypian3798 11 месяцев назад

I prefer either of these for 16” or longer barrels. For a short barrel, I’d use a non bonded sp or a v-max style tipped bullet. Thanks for the video! 👍🏻

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@dennislydon-dt4mq 11 месяцев назад

Wow, nice expansion

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yes indeed.

@guardianminifarm8005 11 месяцев назад

Same, same. Good bullet. Thank you. Deer & hog in right setting. But home protection these are perfect.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yessir. Love this stuff.

@keganwallace8753 11 месяцев назад

Beautiful results ⭐⭐⭐

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@spaz13b 11 месяцев назад

Great video

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@charlesmorgan1879 11 месяцев назад

Although i dont have that caliber(yet) was really good performance , type of round i like. Thankyou sir !

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@Barnes-ml9wg 11 месяцев назад

Back in 2016 RMR bullets had factory 2nd gold dot bullets for reloading. I bought a few thousand 62gr and 75 gr....damn i miss the good.old days

@vernonbruce3722 11 месяцев назад

Love it. Thanks!! As always, learned something new with your videos. Bonded seems to be better at disruption and wound channel. Good penetration also. I am with you. I don't care for ammo that fragments but holds together for a good wound channel.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

I definitely prefer these type of rounds.😎👍

@tufelhunden5795 Месяц назад

Generally 5.56 is from a 20” barrel, military specification. .223 is generally from a 24” barrel SAAMI spec.

@paulfrevert3662 11 месяцев назад

Looks like some darn fine ammo

@jeffreyrobertson7652 11 месяцев назад

Another good jelly test Tools Really enjoy them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊

@LuckyDog350X 11 месяцев назад

These are perfect, can't ask for a much better do it all round. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Have a good weekend!😎👊

@robertseafield5810 11 месяцев назад

Good info.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@xringarcher1440 11 месяцев назад

Fusion ammo in general is really good stuff. I’d love to see some testing done with .357 mag Fusion if you can get your hands on some. Out of both snubby and longer barreled .357s

@ronniebaughman1666 9 месяцев назад

I have both of these rounds and I was wondering if they were the same and you proved the point I would have no trouble using these on deer.

@justa3v619 11 месяцев назад

The 64 and 75 gn gold dot are great bullets too. I’ve always been told the fusion was the same Speer bullet also. And the 64gn federal power shock is the same as the 64gn Speer but idk that for sure. But I have tested all of them and all perform great

@BEFOREANDAFTERCONSTRUCTION 11 месяцев назад

I never miss a tools and targets review

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that, brother!😎👊

@SwampOperator 11 месяцев назад

Usually " 223" loads are speced from a hunting lenghth barrel and 556 loads are usually spcd from a 18-20" barrel length

@palmettocynic8482 11 месяцев назад

Awesome as always. The lesson here is that gold dot/fusion refutes the "AR-15 in .223/5.56 is underpowered/ineffective" meme. I have these in my house AR-15. And once again Tools and Targets answers a question I had about a week ago: since I can no longer find Speer Gold Dots, do these Fusions fill the bill? That's a YES.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yessir.😎👍

@brianklamer3328 11 месяцев назад

Fusion is one of the best factory loaded ammo in multiple calibers I have shot. The price point makes them even better. Thanks for another great video.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@CarolinaRimfire 11 месяцев назад

Clearly I'm not entering the right raffles! Thanks, Tools!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

She actually won 2 different AR's on back to back raffles she entered.😆

@CarolinaRimfire 11 месяцев назад

@@ToolsandTargets Wow! Talk about marrying up! 😂

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

@@CarolinaRimfire 🤣🤣🤣

@DerWaidmann_ 11 месяцев назад

The standard advertised velocity of .223 is usually from a 24 inch barrel, 5.56 is usually chronographed from a 20 inch barrel for box velocities

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👍

@TheCrewChief374 11 месяцев назад

Tools the Gel-lo looks beautiful with those tracks in it!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

I wasn't saying beautiful things when I was cleaning it out.🤬🤬🤬

@TheCrewChief374 11 месяцев назад

@@ToolsandTargets 😂 Well the beautiful thing about that is I didn't hear one word you said when you were cleaning the fragments from the Gel-lo out! 😁

@angrysheepdog9744 11 месяцев назад

There's no confusion when your PMag is loaded with Fusion! 💥💣⚔ Great test TT. Federal makes a Fusion MSR (modern sporting rifle) version with fast burn powder developed for 16" barrels @ 3000fps. Standard version is for bolt actions.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@bluesbondsman 11 месяцев назад

Love them Rifle caliber tests

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

😎👊

@wyseguy77 11 месяцев назад

New subscriber and i love your videos. Question, why would one prefer these over the fragmentation of V-Max or vice versa? Thanks for what you do!

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate that! For hunting of course you wouldn't want all that lead in the meat. For defensive type use, the added weight retention of these rounds would ensure plenty of penetration if you had to take a less than ideal shot or possibly had to deal with some type of barrier. In very close quarters, you may want the more shallow penetration and fragmentation of the V-max type round if you're concerned with overpenetration.

@allenbolen9705 11 месяцев назад

Now that’s the kind of performance I like! Great looking bullets. Not much on fragmenting rounds.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Yep

@SwampOperator 11 месяцев назад

Man what a huge wound channel. Thats impressive

@kevinramsey4673 11 месяцев назад

I'd be tickled with either round. Great test.

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@kevinramsey4673 11 месяцев назад

There you go with that sir stuff again. I'm hey you, be quite dumba$$, or most anything. I'm bad about sir and ma'am too, but you're traumatizing me. Keep up the great videos and you can call me anything 😉

@ToolsandTargets 11 месяцев назад

@@kevinramsey4673 😂😂😂