Are Violent Video Games Bad For You? 

and one of the studies proved it!

kris You get a Cookie!!! Xp

kris precisely

kris Life lesson

kris yes yes yes yes yes

Wouldn't having a seizure come first?

If you live with Australia's shit internet you skip the seizures and go strait to combustion.

+Dylan Barkhuizen You turn into a burning, narrow passage of water joining two larger bodies of water together? Damn, Aussies are wild.

I know your pain.

Dylan Barkhuizen I sometimes see people on youtube complain about having a "slow" 5 MB/s (BYTES, not bits) when I'm sitting here with 450 KB/s max. My area supposedly isn't going to have NBN for a couple more years >:(

Leopoldo Aranha ever played golf in GTA V?

Leopoldo Aranha if I recall correctly there's a story about a professional golfer who was playing on a hard course got so angry that on the 13th hole he snapped his golf club in half through the handle at the golf cart bounced off and got him in the jugular killing him there is one piece of anecdotal evidence against golf not causing anger

Leopoldo Aranha BEST COMMENT !

Try "Golf with your friends". It's pretty funny.

Actually playing golf gets an aggressive response from me.

RonnocFroop That explains why I stopped playing multiplayer...

And then you get those non competitive dark souls games that fuck up the entire study.

RonnocFroop You forgot to add another category in addition to competitive: laggy. Except it describes the multiplayer game, not the actual player.

In games like Dark Souls, you're still competing. It's just that rather than competing against another human player, you're competing against the game itself. Or, depending on your mindset, you may even be competing against yourself. Trying to do better than you did last time, that sort of thing.

If you're competing against the gamethan that can be said for literally any game in existence.

I'm going to be brazenly honest here. After playing GTA for over 12 hours straight over several weeks, I walked outside, and I felt genuinely compelled to get into random peoples' cars - _and I didn't even know how to drive!_ If I had significantly lesser self-control, or was intoxicated, there might have been a problem. So you know, I'm just saying, there might be something to this stuff. Just a little

futurestoryteller You're also a kid that likely isn't supposed to be playing gta

Yeah... you don't know shit, assclown.

Spacedflipper ESRB or PEGI ratings are not there to say "you are not suppose to play this if you are under this age", they are there to say that a parent or guardian should look at it first and judge for themselves if they are ok having their child exposed to the content contained within.

MindfulThinks lmao

TheZozz999 and lag

#edgy

๏ςՇ๏г๏к รยรђเ great comment

lmao so true

The Hangman thing sounds like it might be a good Criminal Minds story

Well said 😊.

Thats bc people are getting softer. When you beat your children to discipline them, you're called a "monster" because you are making your kid into a respectful person. And when you make a JOKE about rape, you are called "misogynistic" for absolutely no reason

Hawkercall, I sincerely hope you're being sarcastic.

Sad thing is, he is probably not. He probably actually thinks things like that. The fact that people who think that way are treated the way he complains about, so people like that can't run amok anymore.

There is a line between 'discipline' and 'abuse'. My parents spanked me as a kid (like 6 or so) as punishment in response to tantrums and extreme cooperativeness. They did not use a belt or wooden spoon, nor did they leave bruises, or anything more permanent than a sore butt. Denying food, leaving visible or permanent injuries, and not explaining why the discipline is being given is abuse. My parents explicitly told me "I'm spanking you because you are throwing a tantrum." I then learned that tantrums do nothing for me and stopped throwing them.

No, beating your children does not turn them into a respectable person, it is a lazy ass way of controlling them through fear, and that tends to go wrong in the end. Kids/people under enough fear and stress can take it out on others (bullies), look for a means to numb themselves (drugs) or even snap (shootings). The way to make your kid a respectable person in society is a lot harder than simply "beating" your kid, it's talking to them. Instead of controlling them with fear, share your experiences and perspective of right and wrong so that they have an understanding of why they should or shouldn't do something. Create situations in the home that are relatable to larger world scenarios. Reward good behavior, and yes, punish bad behavior. But don't make the punishment just some lazy violence that teaches your kid nothing other than fear, instead make it something that will teach them "why" what they were doing is wrong. One way is to deprive them of something they enjoy until they can show you they understand why what they did was wrong. There are many, many resources out there on how to raise a smart, moral and respectable child, all backed by science and psychology. Look them up if you want to put a little more effort into raising a kid with understanding rather than fear.

I agree! Video games have this effect on me. Slender games help too, because my fear and stress is forced on the game, trying to get the pages.

Well it depends on the person if it may cause real life violence from violence in games but usually it’s for stress relief

i l l u s i v e . I like the way you stated your opinion, gotta agree tho, life finds a way of punching you in the gut!

Agreed

@Miko Mattis Mänd Its a game youre not killing real people you fucktard

there is a Scishow Video about venting agressive thoughts. Don't remember exactly but i think venting was counterpoductive.

You are correct. It acts as a temporary bout of catharsis but the brain is predisposed towards things that it does often. Think of it like water and a riverbed. The more water you let flow down a particular stream, the deeper the riverbed and the more likely water's going to go down that way than any of the other routes. Willingly engaging in violence repeatedly runs the risk of deepening the anger channel. Now that doesn't mean that people will be more violent or will do bad things, but it's a risk factor that, when combined with others, makes it much more likely. But one of those factors is the mindset and the attitude that one enters the activity with. Like with the UN soldier study Hank mentioned, how the brain characterizes and categorizes an activity is often just as important as the activity itself.

Warthunder has entered the chat. Im now insane

When playing rock, paper, scissors I cry everytime people kill those poor rocks, and papers Nobody cares about scissors though they can all die.

This is why I only play Nintendo games.

I will go out of my way to avoid hitting pedestrians in GTA (unless I'm Trevor), but I'll hit anything that moves in Saints Row. For me, the type of player character and the "humanness" of the NPCs has an effect on how much of a dick I am, even though I am well aware it's all just a game and ultimately meaningless.

Dr.StickFigure so do you weep uncontrollably when you turn the game off? or cry tears of joy when you make a sperate save file, effectively splitting the time line and creating thousands of animated lives in an instant?

Dr.StickFigure I saw you somewhere already...

nice

*yes*

I think many nasty people are drawn to violent video games because they enjoy the violence more than the game aspect. The fact that it’s something that can be sold at all is something that I always was kind of bothered by. Like, why do u wanna pretend to run people over in GTA? Why would someone make a game where you did that? What seemed fun about it and why? I think people insist it’s not that deep and it may not be for every person, but if you’re gonna insist it’s not something you enjoy, “I just like it” seems like an evasive answer. That said, I’ve certainly lost my temper playing nonviolent games plenty of times 😆

Gui de Guinetik hahahahaha

TeronRedoran, It could bear some additional thought to investigate whether other activities could "vent" these violent tendencies the way the games potentially do (at least according to your argument)... I'm former military, so I can't exactly lay the same claims as you (who reads like a full-on pacifist) but I've never so acted outside of orders or without cause. I have, however, engaged in regular practice with weapons, modern and historical, designed and built some of those as well, and engaged in a fair variety of generally "risky" behavior... (stunts on bikes, racing real vehicles including motorcycles, the non-regular stuff people tell you not to do). I've found many of these activities to be empowering and cathartic (therapeutic works) but never have they seemed to encourage me or anyone I've known to run straight out to do something horrible, either. Personally, I think it would be interesting, in fact potentially groundbreaking to link any/all of the such to less violent tendencies among participants outside the arena of activity itself. And I think there's a fair chance you could find such a link, since you can talk to veterans from all over the world, and most will tell you the same thing after much time in service, "We hope and pray there isn't any war." And it doesn't much matter what "kind" of person they were when they originally signed up. :o)

TeronRedoran but you have to remember that in your last idea for a survey, people who are aggressive and amoral in their actions may be more drawn to playing games that are violent. So if a lot of criminals do play violent games, that doesn't mean violent games cause violence. Just that people who are violent like violent games. Even so, if a survey did show a correlation like that, the media would jump on it as "proof" that violent games cause violence. You have to be careful of surveys like that which can easily be twisted to make games look like they are at fault. What may be better is to have violent criminals play two games, a non violent, non aggressive, non compettative game, and a violent aggressive compettative game. After they play both for a set time, they are given the option to choose one of the two to play for the next hour. My hypothesis is that given the choice between playing the two, they will choose the competitive, aggressive, violent game. This study can be done with other sets of two games which specifically test for the variable of violent imagery vs non violent imagery, and competitive play vs non competitive, and aggressive action vs non aggressive action. In that way the actual deciding variable could be found. Because competition may be more important that violent imagery or vice versa. What this test shows is what preference violent people have in games. Which is the counter point to the WHY question posed by data saying violent people play violent games. It shows how their nature effects their play choice, rather that play choice effecting nature. I don't believe that playing a game in normal circumstances could make a huge and permanent change to someone's personality. Normal amounts of play can only make small and temporary changes in mood. Rather than games effecting personality, I think personality effects what games we play.

They never said it was, actually

I'm not saying I believe that video games make you violent, but there is a difference. If I'm playing a game, and I really want to defeat a boss or I've just be surprised by a mob that's going to kill me or something, what's going through my head is "A shit, jesus, shit, jesus DIE MOTHERFUCKER DIE!". Whereas films rarely elicit such a reaction or even aim to. Most violence in films/tv is highly contextualised - a soldier shooting another soldier in a war film, a prisoner being interrogated, a bully beating up a victim...etc. You aren't meant to root for one side or the other, just observe the situation. Even where protagonists are involved, most of the time you want the protagonists to win or survive, rather than just vehemently wanting the antagonist to die. Hell, if anything, good movie and TV antagonists are often the most charismatic characters! Whilst, again, I'm not saying I believe that video games cause violence, I think the belief that they do derives more from the fact that you are in control of the violence than just that violence happening.

Hideo Kojima explores this admirably in his games

I agree. Everyone has feelings of "heightened aggression" after seeing any action movie, especially a kung-fu kinda thing; I think that's more just up to being caught up in the action and the excitement rather then actually wanting to do that stuff.

In video games, you are more justified to be frustrated due to the feeling of failure. I know what I'm talking about...

I played minecraft hardcore...needless to say ima school shooter now because i fell off my 1x1 bridge in nether.

even then, its like saying competing in violent sport make you more prone to be angry and violent which is pretty false, yes you will become more aggressive while doing it, because you are in a competition and there are violence and you WANT to win, same thing with violent video game. people are more aggressive in multiplayer game than in single player even if its not a violent one and the reason is competition which is totally normal, and they forgot that after doing a competition the aggressive tendency of competition do not go away right away, you pass by a cool down before, so the study is pretty flawed

Indeed, same chemicals running through the brain fight or flight response active their nerves are responding in the same way. #notall Which is why there should be must more intense scrutiny for these style of tests to determine what is a natural response for this singular person and what is not. And without it the test can be easily doctored by bringing people in you know will react one way or the other.

I guess then you consider the societal impact of such games based upon who they are marketed for. What are the trends in personality and behavior for the demographics games are marketed towards and how does playing games with certain themes that enable you to enact violence (even if it’s not rewarded but merely a neural side quest) reinforce certain behavioral patterns already prevalent?

Yet the Columbine kids played Doom, listened to Marilyn Manson, and watched Leo DiCaprio shoot up his school in "The Basketball Diaries" on a virtual loop because it made them feel like badasses, and they thought of it as "inspirational" You're right, but you're not *right*, the whole point of this video is to address the issue realistically, and it turns out the strength of the issue depends on context. Maybe if they can figure out, one day, what makes one person more impressionable than another, parents can make a more informed decision about what their kids watch and listen to. I'm right there with you, bud, I was listening to metal, playing Mortal Kombat, watching Nightmare and Elm Street, and Tarantino movies when I was little, but there's no denying, people who are troubled seek this stuff out, and it has a different effect on them. My parents told me straight out that this stuff was made up. Maybe that's an important part of it.

you know that the columbine kids also drink water, if he didn't have access to those thing we could have stop the disaster shame on us eh

While that's adorable, all it proves is that you missed the point entirely.

its just prove that you don't what satire is

Yeah... you don't know what "satire" is, or how to write a sentence, frankly.

I don’t play cod for that reason.

I play extremely violent games like doom eternal, rdr2, battlefield but killing innocent civilians is where I draw the line.

Maybe because you don't own a battleaxe 😉

Number 3 is a statement for the entire GTA player base.

This isn't about separating games and reality. The idea was that people were temporarily more "aggressive" and performed more negative acts after a violent game sessions than a non-violent one. I don't think any study is saying, that because you shoot enemies in shooters, you will shoot them in real life with the same enthusiasm without hesitation.

Throttle Kitty Bloodborne is definitely more body horror than violence, I think you're confusing genres here.

How the hell is Bloodborne not violent? You use guns and swords to slaughter countless screaming enemies with cascades of blood flying everywhere. It is most certainly body horror too, but that doesn't make it not violent somehow. In fact, most "body horror" type things are quite violent. Ever seen Aliens 2?

shotgunreaper Have you ever seen the visceral attack on pigs?

shotgunreaper Have you ever seen the visceral attack on pigs?, In any souls game you can count on being a visceral attack on a pig. except for... DS2... and DS3... any maybe Demon Souls...

Your username scares me because throttle is another word for choke.

You know what video games did for me, met some great friends who saved my life due to depression...current mental state was horrible and i hated talking with people. Found some amazing friends and without them i would be dead right now with my brains blown out. Video games aren't bad, maybe teach your mentality retarted kids that a game is pixels and not real life. Im mad rn because one of my friends have passed. Not video games

i guess you don't read the news much

Which would be absolutely pointless if you want a valid measure of violence. Quite the contrary as psychologist keep pointing out. Funny answer.

I don’t know if expecting violence linked to violent game play should be our point. Video games, like a lot of media, shape our views of the world and who’s in it. When you’re immersed in the media, it seems reasonable to think it could make more of an impression. Not to make you commit real violence that you know is generally regarded as distasteful or illegal, but who you may sympathize with when vicious crimes happen or how much you care about the victim/crime itself (desensitization).

@@candicefrost4561 "Video games, like a lot of media, shape our views of the world" -- That is utterly, patently absurd. Children learn the difference between reality and make-believe by the time they're ready to enter school. Hand-wringing busybodies have been fretting about the effects of exposure to media, and making utterly ridiculous pronouncements about the downfall of civilization since mass communication existed, exactly *NONE* of which have come true.

Justin Chan lmbo

Kidding? If you want to get _anywhere_ you have to shoot some cops in the fucking face. Those are the rules of GTA society.

Justin Chan I tried behaving like a normal citizen once, ran over a guy and started a massacre

Tu fenix shidori :v are you still talking about a video game, or no....?

@@futurestoryteller no you dont

If you watch porn/too many chick flicks you are desensitized to love, i guess.

Watching too much porn could desensitize you to the act of sex itself, not necessarily the emotion of love. Watching romance movies/reading romance books could desensitize you to the emotion of love. Major emphasis on *could*, as nothing is for certain when it comes to the brain and human behavior. I'm actually curious if someone that is desensitized could pick up sensitivity to those emotions again. I can't imagine why not, but even so.

I don't think it's so much that romance novels or chick flicks would desensitize you to love as much as it would raise your expectations to unrealistic levels.

That doesn't make any sense. Violence is not supposed to be an every day aspect of your life in a modern, civilized society, love, presumably is. We're supposed to expect it. Desensitizing violence _MEANS_ normalizing it. Love is supposed to be normal, violence is supposed to be exceptional, they are not analogous.

Your reasoning is the one that doesn't make sense. Being 'desensitized' just means you're more used to something, whether or not you're 'supposed' to be desensitized is an unrelated issue. Also, there are surely exceptions but I doubt most of the nerds who play tons of video games are as familiar with love as you seem to think, and they may well be familiar with violence to some degree if they've had run-ins with bullies. To answer the original question, you'll become desensitized to pretty much anything if you experience it regularly, so whether or not games can desensitize you towards something depends on how much you associate the experience of the game to real life experiences. However, the ability of games to desensitize people is generally pretty exaggerated, I think people are usually pretty capable of separating the game from the real world. I would also say that being desensitized is usually about the superficial appearance of things. For example, you can become desensitized to violent imagery or to physical attractiveness relatively easily if you just look at it enough. Something like love would be a lot harder, unless you're actually falling in love with the video game characters or something.

Me too! I have also wanted to burn a village and enslave its residents for profits! Do you have this problem too?

violent video game do nothing, its like saying a boxer is at a higher risk to go on a killing spree because his sport make him more violent, or any other combat sport which is very stupid

yes, thank you!

They should do a video on profiling players like script kiddies or players that intentionally and maliciously ruin other people's game experience.

Exactly

Well that means he won't need to do the chores

I mean most people on the internet have autism but you can't just classify someone like that and generalize it over all other normal people.

Of course not. This student is having some real issues.

I don't about that kid, but if I were a boy growing up in Sweden I'd be having problems with aggression too.

I laughed! ;D

Idk who is gonna read this but I just thought I'd throw it out there

...That's not at all what he said... brilliant assessment.

...I was assessing the bolded statement, not the whole video... brilliant assumption.

Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. You were _misrepresenting_ the bold statement, no assumption required. It's unsurprising that you would bog down this conversation with another half-assed assessment - an _assumption_ that I somehow "didn't" understand what you meant; once again, you're the one who didn't understand what was said. It's starting to look like a personal problem, frankly.

Ok I see you have good intentions but thinking that 'public shootings' are a way that people blow off anger is ridiculous.

Rob Right? this whole Trump thing has turned everyone into a bunch of savages, and I'm sitting on the sidelines like, guys, chill out, and it's all about how you're raised, or who your friends are, that's what makes someone violent, bullied kids, dangerous neighborhoods, not video games

scalpingsnake public shootings aren't a way to blow off anger, it's more like exploding because you had no way to deal with your anger.

But, interestingly, vsauce did a show on this idea that doing "violent" stuff (like breaking things, or, I assume, playing violent games) releases anger. And they found that it only made the anger worse.

+Leah C - That's because you get a rush when you're, say, hitting a punching bag to relieve anger. If you keep doing it, you are training yourself to expect a reward for hitting things. So if you relieve anger by playing violent video games... you are training yourself to expect a reward... from playing violent video games. Not from actually being violent.

They should mail you your degree.

When the experts disagree with you, they’re stupid. How delusional are you?

It is quite frustrating, reading all these comments, and feels like no-one actually watched the video, which clearly contradicts them.

Yaeh , for the hundreds of thousands of studies did PROVING video games does not cause Violence , lets just ignore that eh ?

I've got a question for ya', what causes more violence & aggressiveness to kids? -Playing Video Games for *ONLY* 7 Minutes Or -Putting them inside a small cardboard box and getting trapped for over 1 hour. Coincidence?

The Nightmare Rider ~ Good point.

It's also not the same as aggressive behaviors in somebody being drawn out while playing those types of games. If somebody is more drawn to games of that nature, they might already have a higher base level of aggression which could be reinforced while playing.

A valid point! Personally I often experienced FAR higher levels of volatile rage over video games before I started taking anti-depressants. So an individual's psychological makeup can also be a factor.

Um... no...

I think that has more to do with not having a clear mental boundary between fantasy and reality (and associated consequences) than desensitization. In other words the problem is there before they even consume the real or fantasy media, since their approach to said media is detached from reality.

L Galicki true

Guh uh huuuuuu

Yep, you were there so you know it didn't happen. You do realize that a large majority of the Bible's history has been archeologically validated right?

like what?

Yeah but Assassin's creed is "based" on history. Sure a few dates are wrong here or there and maybe that person existed, maybe not but who cares, it's only a book

This time you won.

Okay, well, at least you _watched_ the fucking thing...

Nutcases are nuts because they don't need reasons to fuck shit up.

You should collect your Nobel Prize, lol