Art of Move Podcast 90 : Bret Contreras smack talks GOATA coach, Dr Will Responds 

FYI, supporting gluteal activation with heel strike...which is a PART of Locomotion. In a study done by Professor Janda and Joanne Bullock-Saxton, they found significant delays in the onset of gluteal muscle activity during hip extension in people who suffered from ankle sprains

@ 5:48 "Concentric movement doesn't happen in locomotion"??!? Sorry, you're sadly mistaken. Gait involves A LOT of eccentric movement for sure, but what do you call heel strike to toe off for the glutes? That's 100% concentric and for the hamstrings too. Just before heel strike your quadriceps are concentrically contracting. So right there you have two simple examples in the lower extremities of concentric activity in Locomotion. There are more in the upper extremity. In the early to mid phases of the Swing phase of gait, your hip flexors ARE flexing (concentric) in the late phase during deceleration there is eccentric movement happening. Please, making outlandish statements like this do nothing for your cause but to legitimize what you're promoting. Contreras might be a good target because he calls out a lot of inconsistencies in the "absolute" functional training systems out there, but that's because a lot of the clams simply are unfounded. He doesn't always do it in the most diplomatic way, but I think if you in the alternative fitness industry, as GOATA is, were to adopt some of the knowns, some of the tried tested and true, you would gain a wider audience rather than taking the oppositional stance that you do which serves only to fuel the "we are better than academia" for those who WANNA BE top trainers, physical therapists and what not. I believe that Goata has something relevant. There's a lot of chaff in there, but some of the movement programming appears to active the posterior chain very well and that can be very useful. That is wants to throw baby out with bathwater when it comes to conventional training is nonsense. What they never address is that the GOAT athletes get where they are with a combination of conventional S&C and then sport specific training, and that they are very elite movers. Training gait can make you better, and if you are elite, even better, but you're not going to make a Messi out of an average athlete with GOATA or any other system. Period. Genetics plays a part and that's undisputable. It's not 100% nature over nurture, but nurturing a poor athletic person isn't going to make them the GOAT 100% of the time either. Just focus on what you do well. Describe it PROPERLY, ie; no concentric movement in locomotion is 100% false as is "the ankle is a ball and socket joint!" It simply is not true. Clean up the language and drop the absolutes and you'll be better off for it.

Hey Anthony what are your thoughts on hanging from a bar being optimal for shoulder health because we evolved in an environment where we were hanging from trees often? This would straighten out your rounded computer posture and lengthen/ strengthen the muscles around the shoulder. So you naturally stand up straight. Also opens up the shoulder capsule to reverse impingement/ prevent it.

This was fucking good.

Bret is annoying tbh.

11:57 when ankle sprains happen, there is a tendency to avoid heel strike as it contributes to pain in the acute phase. You will see those with serious ankle sprains in acute phase more likely to flat foot strike in gait, rather than heel strike. That right there, the heel strike and stance phase right till toe off IS a concentric activity of gluteals. In fact, the heel strike does neurologically activate gluteals. So, one of the thing you functional or "primaly" movement guys always miss is that there is a such thing as GENERAL conditioning and SPECIFIC conditioning. Taking pot shots at general conditioning is really silly. Everyone of those GOATS do an enormous amount of general conditioning, strength training and loading. They refine it for sport with specific movement training. How do y'all continue to miss this REALITY?

Thrusting only at the end 😉

@27:07 I'm not a researcher, though in my masters degree we participated in research studies. The first thing you learn about Science, actual Science, is that it begins with OBSERVATION. So your comment that observation isn't in the literature, is again patently FALSE and incorrect. We see something in nature, like perhaps with the GOATA people, that tribal communities were more "aligned" and we set out to find out why that was. Were they all? I don't know. I'm not an anthropologist, but we have some pictorial evidence that they were. Here's an interesting fact. Aboriginal tribal communities of Australia had less evidence of back degeneration and issues, yet they have very very poorly formulated arches. In fact, they're flat footed. Wait!! Why? Absorption of forces from the ground went into abnormally thick soles before being translated up stream. That's the theory. However, what is important here is that they didn't have arches, they nomadic and traveled large distances, and still they present with less evidence of back degeneration. There's something else going on there to consider, isn't there? Science always starts with observation and questions. There's no question that $cience exists, but the Scientific method is the best method we have at determining if something is reproducible or not. We observe them, in context, under certain settings and come up with ideas. Then we set out to try and replicate those ideas and test them against null's. It's the best method we have to determine what actually works, if it's reproducible, or if what we're observing may be caused by something other than what we think. It's not without flaws, and there are ways to fudge research, which is why transparency with methods and statistical analyses is important. There are ways to find out how fudged research is. Generally if results are reproducible they become facts and the theories evolve with additional facts. Science is not consensus, and so if you have something you believe is superior, the best way to prove it is by conducting a study. You take parameters and try to establish a way to test them under your hypothesis/theory. Attacking science the way you do, is wrong. It benefits no one. Movement is good. We know that. Walking is some of the best exercise we can do for hearth health, for hormone balance. To help sleep cycles regulate, increase metabolism and waste removal, oxygen exchange, etc. If someone's gait cycle is not "optimal" they're still going to get some benefit with walking. What I see here is a lot of throwing out baby with bathwater and a lot of absolute statements. I don't think any of that is wise. What I also see is a failure to differentiate between general conditioning and specific conditioning. I don't think I've ever come across a gait scientist who doesn't acknowledge that movement is in 3D through 3 planes. Duh. Every single one does. Testing muscles in a specific scenario adds to the database of knowledge we have, but it's pretty abundantly clear that muscles don't operate only linearly. Who said that? Making that a straw man argument to disparage against strength and conditioning methods that we know work, and science or the literature, in general, is absolutism and is, IMO, a failed endeavor.

Brett did not respond cause your stuff makes no sense at all. Functionnality : Running Change of direction Jumping Picking stuff up Lifting stiff overhead Its that simple. Ill go on your podcast and explain it to you if needed.

anyway, those are my comments. I watched til 37m mark before shutting it down. The ball swinging debacle back and forth became real dumb. Messi squats. Messi moves like a genius. Strong glutes in a single plane will help in multi planar movements. Duh. That's all anyone needs to understand.

Why do you guys put so much stock into GOATA when it clearly doesn't work? Observing how kids move is great, but just because you've made that very easy observation doesn't mean your interpretation of the observations are good, and on top of that it doesn't mean the exercises made off your interpretations of the observations are good. The guy who has been doing the recode for TWENTY YEARS says hes STILL woata, the guy who started ranting about DOCTAS BREAKIN THE BABIES ANKLES when you asked him a difficult question. Weck pointed out the A-Gilly's tendon; TWO YEARS (2.1 years? 2.9 years? I doubt he's rounding up) of training and he's going into woata positions STILL, and because of the goata training, is totally unprepared for it - He could have spent those two years strengthening his woata body instead - atgmentor/kneesovertoesguy would have "bulletproofed" him, instead of him doing nonsense, which by their own words, DOES. NOT. WORK. Then they have the AUDACITY to say #TheRecodeIsReal ??? The guy who's been teaching it for TWENTY YEARS and is STILL woata walks around in a shirt that says "the recode is real"... what tf?

Do you guys have an email I can contact? I worked for Ben patrick back in october of 2019