I had no idea there were still Brits who are still so hung up about the monarchy. I kinda just assumed that most of them, even Tories, would kinda just have an attitude of “yeah, they’re there”. The idea of someone being so offended by someone being an anti-monarchist in the 21st century is so astounding to me.
Mate the most bizarre thing is that generally speaking it is the poorer sections of society who are pro monarchy. It maybe makes people who have nothing feel special, just like nationality, religion, football team...whatever.
Hi, I grew up in France. We never sung the national anthem at school. We probably learned the words during a civics lesson, or history lesson, I can definitely remember it coming up in the class room at some point or other, when i was about 10 or 11. But all of us getting together every morning and singing the national anthem to kick off assembly?... Nope. Not once. In fact we only ever even had assembly when the school had something they deemed important to impart on the whole boddy of students together. It wasn't ever an every day, or even a once a week thing. And like I said, we never brought the whole school together to sing the national anthem. I do remember going on a school outing once, when we went to watch a kind of national memorial ceremony, about remembering WW2 and the occupation and the liberation etc... and there were soldiers and officers there and they sang the national anthem, and we stood up and some of us sang along, but it was more to do with respecting the old soldiers and showing our respect to them than it was a purely nationalistic action, done for it's own sake, if you see what i mean. Just thought I'd straighten that one out. As Piers Morgan seems to be under the impression that in France, primary school age kids are standing in line, hand on heart, singing the anthem and raising the flag every morning before class, like in the US... Nothing could be further from the truth.
@Eric P. Is it left up to the school boards to decide whether or not to do stuff like that in the U.S. then? Or is it decided by state, as long as it isn't deemed unconstitutional or something?
@Eric P Ah yes, the pledge of allegiance, that's what I was thinking of in the U.S. No national anthem either then. And I went to primary school in England for about 2 years too, and there we had to sing hymns in assembly. I can't remember weather that was every morning or just a couple of times a week. but yeah... I mean like religious hymns, the whole school. And this was public school, (which the English call private school btw. Don't ask me why, I've no idea how that works...) That might have been phased out by now though, but I don't know, maybe they still do it.
@Johnny Ola Nah, we never did anything like that. Not at public school anyway. I'm sure there are probably some private schools where it is done. And of course there are politicians over here who want it to be the norm, (not in power though, for the time being at least). But most people probably couldn't care less though, as long as their kids are getting a good education "on the whole", and it's affordable, or better still free.
I also notice how she looks to the camera everytime she makes an important point, as if trying to get the message across to the audience, as opposed to Piers who is just here to argue for money.
I’m not a fan of Ash Sarkar but Piers is completely putting words in her mouth here, she didn’t say it was embarrassing to sing the national anthem, she said the enforcement of it was.
"The debate here is not about the educational standards in our schools." Right, so that means that she's correct that the national anthem stuff is a distraction and a waste of time.
@@JoshDRivia4 So you're happy to sing your primitive subservience to someone because they happened to pop out of the right hole and she's the one talking bollocks? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Piers Morgan is arrogant and feels entitled to everything British, he is Afrophobic but he isn’t a dolt. He at least knows how to talk in full sentences and has had a real academic education. He would never come up with words like “bigly, Covfefe etc..” In short he is somehow better than Trump!
LMAO! Born and raised in France here! Nobody and I mean NOBODY sings the national anthem at school 😂😂😂😂😂 It didn't happen when I was a kid and it is STILL not the case!
And America is full of ultra nationalists, many of which hold and express extreme and dangerous far right views. American exceptionalism is obnoxious enough and the last thing we need is that kind of mentality here
They both did. Everyone involved in this debate was just awful. Why did she keep detracting from the issue? It's possible to have more than one policy going through Parliament at a time.
Aye that about sums it up. Like some folks will say it is good that he pushes back... but it seems to me that he only ever really pushes back against certain narratives and opinions. He doesn't hold everyone's political opinions to the same standard at all.
@@cloudatlas349 fr! You can "push back" and still let your guests at least finish their sentences. And i also don't like the "token nice white lady" next to him as if she's just there to "keep everybody calm" like dude these are adults, she shouldnt be necessary
she's always diverting the question,what so embarrasing when u sing the national anthem of ure own country,if find that offensive the u better f**ng get out,!!!
This was such a good performance from Ash! The Crisp sandwich response was amazing and "There's nothing nationalistic about singing the nation anthem?" was genius!
"there is nothing cheap and nationalistic about singing the national anthem" No, but there is about pushing the national anthem ahead of actual educational policy.
"British values are taught in schools... Our HiStOrY, our HeRiTaGe, our monarchy..." Proceeds to omit more than 4 centuries of British colonial history from the school curriculum. Yayyyy! LLTQ!
@@sorrysorry1877 so what is taught then? If we don't care about history which made the country what it is, and had a huge effect on the rest of the world, what do we care about?
That he doesnt hestitate to include the monarchy in the list of things that are great about Britain, is really weird. In the 21st century you'd think people would feel awkward about fawning over the monarchy in public especially when you're a part of a discussion about schools and education
@@Vivacomunismo Whatever political agenda you stand for, slurring insults unfortunately will impact what others perceive you as. They won't take you seriously. Try to get your point across without looking too baseless and immature.
Piers is hilarious. He says "What about in America where they do this? What about in France where Macron has suggested this..." and then immediately accuses Ash of whataboutery!!!!
He makes a fair point. 'Whataboutery' means raising an irrelevant issue to avoid answering the question, which is what Ash Sarkar does here, raising issues about Rolex watches and schools in Hackney to avoid answering why British school children should not be taught our own country's national anthem. The examples of how the Americans and French value their own national anthems is genuinely relevant. Having said that Land of Hope and Glory, Rule Britannia and for viewers in England Jerusalem are all better songs, but God Save the [King/Queen] has been our national anthem for longer than anyone alive can remember, including through both World Wars, and it is too late to change the tradition now.
@@legalvampire8136 The French also valued their monarch, until the guillotine. The US is a republic. In any event, Ash Sarker's point was that, there are more important issues with schools being underfunded, and the government should prioritise its policies. The old flag waving is always used as a distraction from failing policies.
You can actually see "wearing my Rolex" and "crisp sandwiches" is the point at which she gives up on trying to properly explain herself without being interrupted by Piers 3 microseconds in, and she just decides to take the piss out of this shouting clownery
I think it's more about taking pride in your homeland... You know the customs and traditions... Yous have yours but for some reason, we not allowed ours. Diversity lol
@@tonycammie1269 That's just not what she said though. She's completely fine with people being patriotic and singing their national anthem, but it's not something which should be imposed to kids. If people are to be proud of their country, then they should have a reason to. If the government treated it's people better, patriotism would naturally rise.
@@TheButterMinecart1 Exactly as Reinhard said. There is no need to force people to sing the national anthem, if we were so patriotic there would be no need to! Patriotism goes far beyond just singing a song.
@@TheButterMinecart1 the reason to take pride in your country is being born there, and why shouldn't we teach children to take pride in the place where they are born?
@@jessicabuchanan1392 I don't see it that way, my opinion on the anthem is that of national pride. To be proud of something as a nation, rather than this constant division of culture and classes. The world cup unified this nation, and we were in it together.
@@jonathanh9592 not my nation. calling enforced patriotism national pride when it’s literally used to encourage kids to grow up thinking their country is always the best is creepy. class is literally what divides people more than anything else so why act like it isn’t. the world cup was years ago and every single person i know wanted england to lose (like you did) you’re delusional
The British national anthem is all about serving the British ruling class - as epitomised by the Royal Family -how about the Queen and Piers Morgan sing 'God Save the Unemployed'
Shows you how much disregard he as for ethnic women who says anything against British sovereignty.. you either put up or shut up is basically his motto
Loved it when Craig Bellamy, Ryan Giggs and other Welsh players refused to sing God Save the Queen when playing for for UK team at London Olympics. Brilliant!
I thought Ash Sarkar was pretty off the wall. Also she aggressively wagging her finger in the face of the guy next to her. That is not good. She needs to earn the difference between gestured that are agressive and those that are assertive. Several times she drifted way off topic and never answered why she really thought it was embarrassing, when in fact a National Anthem brings people together AND if it was taught in school (only necessary once) then UK would not be embarrassed by their sportsmen not knowing the words (which is quite often ). Peers..... well there is no excuse. They were as bad as each other.
@@ioanparry She objectively isn't saying anything racist. She objetively isn't being aggressive. How did you get to this point when that is what your seeing? You really have been conditioned to hate this woman.
I always found that disgusting, demanding children commit to a contract that they are to young to understand. Literaly brain washing children into loyal obedience before they even understand what horrors are done in their names.
This dude seriously just said "you're being whataboutery about this" after going "but what about the USA and France" 10 seconds before. Phenomenal brain power.
And here in Switzerland most of us including myself couldn't sing our national anthem. But I vote about a different issue 4 times a year. I also don't have to salute my flag but we have swiss flags all over Switzerland and I love it. We don't have to force our patriotism.. we are Patriots because we want to be.
cause he was the one who put foward the idea the other guest, ash sarkar, was the bad choice of guest. her only point was "why are the government thinking about this, while there are loads of other issues". that's a fair point, but not for the debate they were having
I am an indian and only because of all the patriotic heroes and legends were we able to get our freedom. All these cowards talking about how patriotism isn't necessary will dig a hole and bury their faces when the country is in danger while the real patriots will fight for their safety as well as the safety of these cowards. So yes, the loyalty to the motherland that raises you is absolutely necessary to be taught to young children.
I certainly don’t want my grandchildren going to school to learn to sing the national anthem this will not secure them a job. We are British and proud but now Piers you are getting ridiculous there are far more important issues to discuss within our educational system the British anthem is most certainly not on the high list of priorities. Children aren’t able to read and write correctly when they leave school for goodness sake!!!!
@@redrock1965 a few of the royals supported the fascists in the 30s. Not sure about pcs Michael though. I'd have to look that up, but certainly many did, and a couple of them were actively promoting bringing Nazism to Britain
If she's a communist and communism is the end of private property, why does she own or take pride in wearing a Rolex? Seems a little, "do as I say, not as I do..."
To be fair, at the point Piers said 'there's nothing nationalistic about singing a national anthem...' he'd lost. I bet he was furious with himself after saying that 😂
@@mcc5901 it’s disgusting conduct, i agree- and it goes both ways, there’s plenty said of Scots in parliament from conservatives that’s raised more than just my eyebrow. I appreciate the outdatedness of that verse, only, please don’t assume that my disdain for Piers Morgan or conservative nationalistic rhetoric is in any way an endorsement for the SNP 😉
"don't bring politics into a debate about the national anthem" in germany we literally outlawed part of our former national anthem due to its politics....
@Jim Palmer agree to a certain extent with you hard to give a proper opinion on racisim look at all them tv shows that have had series taking out of them because of complaints of racists language a white man has supposedly used yet on the same night on another channel a black man using the exact same language to another black person not 1 complaint how's that equal rights
I’m American and went to a school that taught us to sing the national anthem, and I sure as hell will tell my kids that it’s all bullsht. I served in the marine corps and I’m well aware of how anthems, sing-songs, and chants can condition you, and the national anthem doesn’t only mean just “pride in my country”. It’s absolutely a form of conditioning especially when you’re doing it at ball games, ceremonies, and every morning Monday through Friday in schools all around the country.
Navy vet here. Can confirm this. I like to call it "extended-release indoctrination". It creates polarization and an idea that we're perfect. When we're about as far from perfect as you can get.
Respect. Last year my family and I were at a rodeo in Colorado and they made everyone stand up and sing the anthem and pledge before the show started. This was a few days after the US botched the withdrawal from Afghanistan. I stayed silent and just about threw up looking around at all my fellow citizens proudly singing all the while our country had sunk so low. We should have been ashamed.
Christ, she's trying to make the simple point that you can't force nationalism onto people, especially kids, but they don't listen. If you want your people to be proud of their country then treat them well and they will naturally become more patriotic.
@@tornadochaser7226 but as a British Atheist anti Royalist republican I don't want my kids to sing about a fake God or an archaic institution of monarchy that has no place in our society. As for your ' They try and force religion upon people and nobody complaining about that' what utter rubbish , that is literally 99% of the news in the rags like The Mail, Express and The Sun etc. 'They are trying to turn the whole world into Sharia BS' as Londoner this is the line pumped out by people living in Tunbridge Wells who have never even seen a non-white person, are there problems with integration, of course, is it massively overblown, obviously?
@@tornadochaser7226 "I think especially now we’ve left the EU, the country needs some unity and hopefully teaching the national anthem in schools will provide that." I actually find it infuriating that Brexiters want to paper over the damage they've done to our country and our futures with superficial drivel like this.
@Max Wild we haven’t done any damage to our country. We have re-asserted control over our borders and laws. Scotland wants to leave the U.K. as a result of England and Wales taking the better decision to leave the EU. Unfortunately, Scotland and Northern Ireland decided to vote to stay in the EU. And it’s better off for the U.K. if we all stay together, but if we have to sacrifice Scotland and Northern Ireland in order to leave the EU, then so be it.
@@tornadochaser7226 My favourite part of this is where you actually unsolicitedly cite an example of the damage you've done to your country in defending yourself against the charge. Heard about the massive and unsustainable drop in exports, by the way? "We have re-asserted control over our borders and laws." We never lost control over our borders, as evidenced by EU27 countries imposing border restrictions during the pandemic. Also the UK government is now simply waving goods through at the border without even checking them in a desperate attempt to make this seem like it isn't an economic disaster, so the point about borders is laughable on multiple levels. Also, can you name an example of an EU law imposed upon the UK that had a negative impact on us?
Let's face it, when has Maths, English or the Sciences ever helped anyone in the real world? I've found that only knowing Latin and the National Anthem has ever been of any real use to me.
Damnit. It's individual liberty issue. You shouldn't force people to sing something. In 1943, the US Supreme Court ruled that standing for the national anthem must be voluntary. Sing a song if you want and we'll respect your right to do so, but don't force it on me or my kids.
Everyone should sing it as national identity not what color race or religion you are uk need one thing that bring everyone together and as for now we have nothing
A guy I once worked with, told me how, when he was a kid back in the '60s, he attended a strict Roman Catholic school in Ireland. Every Friday afternoon, they were marched by the Christian Brothers from the school to a local church, for the Catholic Confraternity Men's Association meeting. There, they and a bunch of men would be preached at and sing hymns. Some of the boys though, used secretly play cards in the back pew, and wouldn't be paying proper attention. Anyhow, one day as the meeting was closing, the leader of the association announced that they only had time for one verse, but no chorus of the association's anthem, and these boys never heard him,....and it seems the chorus of this song was one the boys engaged in, with some gusto. The first verse of the song was sung by all, and then the boys on their own, launched into their chorus at the tops of their voices, singing 'Davey, Davey Crockett, king of the wild frontier', which apparently had a similar tempo, melody, and volume, as that of the chorus.
I'm certain exactly the same would happen if Brit school kids were made to sing God Save the Queen. I'd also like to think there'd be nothing more British, but you've illustrated it just human nature to take the piss out of the pompous. I do remember, aged 10, the time the whole school managing to sing "cucumber" instead of Cumbaya, all together, & the headmaster going apoplectic.
Asking someone seemingly confused about 'British values' to the point they appear racist might not result in an answer that benefits the British population.
She is right. The debate should be about the education system! The question these old guys should be asking is why we have not felt the need to make kids sing this song till now. We obviously don't really care about it, it's just a song. While I hope God does save the Queen, I wish the government would actually do things that saved her subjects.
A national anthem that sings about the start of the industrial revolution, then the workers rights movement and trade union formation would be incredible and I could get behind. That across Britain and Ireland we were being exploited during the industrial revolution, people came together in compassion and fought for everyones rights. It lead to the greatest increase in human life expectancy in all of human history. That is a story I think could actually unite us.
She had some really relevant points, piers just talked over her and tried to word spin. Why should children sing over a lack of funding and social care.
Piers mentions "whataboutery", just after referring to America and France's take on their national anthem. That is a perfect example of "whataboutery."
I've noticed as an EU citizen living in the UK how Brits singing the national anthem or waving the English flag are now stigmatised to an extent that I never thought possible. I urge you to watch the Marseilles being sung by French MPs from all ethnical backgrounds. It's not Europe that has ruined national identity, it's the shame to genuinely love your country that led you to panel discussions such as these
As the child of Irish Parents . . . Educated in UK Worked in UK Emigrated from UK aged 22 I have never ever sang the British National Anthem in my life Very proud of my upbringing and superb childhood But the song isn’t obligatory
Piers attacks Ash on a point while doing the same himself. What a tosser, so glad he’s been consigned to the journalistic oblivion. Watch out for him turning up on GB news.
It's good to sing national Anthem, but UK seriously need a new anthem, because if you don't like the monarchy, you can't sing your anthem. I'm sure Diana never sang 'God save the Queen' in her last days, though she loved her country.
Typical morning in our Indian school: 1. Assembling in line classwise in from of the assembly stage. 2. Prayer song. 3. Lord's prayer recitation. 4. Tirukkural of the day. 5. Announcement about students who competed in any sports/events. 6. Any other school announcements/ instructions. 7. National Anthem 8. Disassemble and move to class. Totally step 1-8 takes around 45-50 minutes on average. Time allotted for morning assembly is 1 hr before the class starts.
My grandparents grew up in British India singing God Save the King. It must have been infuriating or bizzare. Taking stockholm syndrome to the next level
This shit cracks me up because most American schools don't even do the pledge of allegiance anymore, let alone teach you and make you sing the fuckin national anthem..I've only ever heard it at sports events. I didn't even know the words until I was like 12 or 13..
Ash didn't even get a chance to speak there, what a disgrace of an interview. Piers Morgan asked her a question, and then began talking over her as she started to explain. Pathetic
I wonder if it's unique in the world that the UK national anthem might be the only one that doesn't even mention the nation and is just about the ruler, not the society or people it represents.
@Anthony Matthews she hates the natives of Britain (yes lads we're winning). She is not English same as if I had been born in Cambodia it would not make me 1 of them. As for free speech, Bill expressed himself and did not get arrested for it. That's free speech.
Criticising certain polices or traditions doesn't necessarily put anyone on the far left. Neither does it mean they hate this country. Quite the opposite. Critiquing or even doing away with certain policies can actually make a person a patriot.
Imagine calling another person "politically correct", while supporting a monarchy. Supporting the monarchy is about the most politically correct position one could take.
That makes no sense at all. Supporting the monarchy doesn’t make you politically corrector incorrect, it’s you individual opinion wether to like them or not.
