Ashford vs Drechsler 200m 1986 

I loved watching that tiny thing blaze past those big athletes. And year after year. She was the SAFP of my generation; not quite so quick but stronger.

@@jamezkpal2361 Shelly Ann Fraiser Price does remind me a lot of Evelyn. They have similar personalities.

@Gary Pollard Thanks for the info.........have a great day!

She was blessed with Fast twitch muscles, pure and simple. 👍

@@jamezkpal2361 What’s funny is that Ashford is like 4-5 inches taller than SAPF (5’5 vs 5’0/5’1), but compared to some of the Germans & Jamaicans Merlene Ottey & Grace Jackson, she appeared tiny.

Like what you suspect means anything.

They were naturally gifted, unlike the East Europeans. It's not rocket science.

Drechsler was a long jumper, possibly the 🐐 in that event, and was pressed into service as a sprinter because of her phenomenal talent. She didn't have Evelyn's vast experience and simply lost control of her body at the last. Evelyn labored in obscurity for the first few years of her career, honing her skills. She emerged and then suffered through injury and childbirth. She endured. Heike abandoned sprinting for the toll it was taking on her long muscles and tendons, focusing on what was her natural gift: jumping.

How many times she got caught being naughty?

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 the USA put her in the Hall of Fame..so naughty she was.Think about the words,you write.

@@hendrikjorke6892 Hall of fame does NOT take away the fact that she got caught and served a suspension. In my book a cheat is a cheat, Hall of Fame or not. Sorry friend.

Same here ...I could say I'm one of her biggest fans from Mizoram India

... ignorance does not change the fact: the us sprinters were also doped.

When you are doped the same way or more you beat...

@@miabrandt1926 Don't forget to take your meds, Mia!

@ mia brandt. Jealousy does not either. Ashford DID NOT dope. Period. Get over the fact the commie drug program failed to get the better of Evelyn Ashford 'The Zen Runner' and shut up. Mind is ALWAYS superior to matter.

Yes, a side affect was, apart from giving all their female athletes hairy armpits, chests n beards it also made them grow teeth ... In their inner labia. Sadly the effect of this was severe chafing of the inner thighs after 150 meters & only the toughest of the tough fraulines managed to keep their form over 200 meters.

Too much drugs..

@@SPIDERM0OSE hahahahaha 😆🤣😂😅 simply love your imagination. U r probably right. Pissing my pants....

@@royestondsouza4069 😋😎👍

@@SPIDERM0OSE Yo! I'm looking around to see if anybody's wondering what the hells wrong with me cos I'm giggling like a fool!

Oh yeah! There were several east german men strutting around the womens track at that time. Gohr Krabbe Koch...

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 and pumped full of steroids

Which man won the womens 100m and 200m in Seoul?

None, that was clearly a Woman with Natural ability. Look at the Curves.

CHEETAH69 Steroids, that's what's wrong

Heike mistimed her juice for this particular meet. That's what.

she started her lean too early

You are correct about Flo Jo. Steroids put a terrible strain on the heart and Flo Jo died of a heart attack at a young age. During the latter stages of her carreer she had to run with her thighs covered.

She died from an epileptic seizure.

Evelyn is the Evelyn of all time. shelly is a drug cheat

They all took drugs in this time. It's always fun to read that the good US athlets were all clean and the bad east germans and russians were all doped.

You are correct. Steroids enhances the definition of all muscles, major or minor, - the 'cuts', whether they are targetted and exercised or not. Clean athletes have smooth well developed thighs. Steroid uses have anatomy - lesson thighs with even the sub divisions of the anterior thigh well defined as if sculpted. This is not possible without anobolic steroids which bulk up ALL muscles, major or minor, non selectively. Clean exersing and weight training will bulk up the major weight bearing muscles and not so much the non weight bearing smaller ones. Nor will it 'cut' the sub divisions of major muscles. This is why Heike Dreschler is hiding her muscles. They are not naturally developed muscles. If that get-up gives her an aero dynamic advantage we sure didnt see it.

Come on man.. could you come in on something she did positive.. damn what's your fastest time in the 200.. not how many sandwiches you can eat the 200 m LOL

@@Haraka111 I can eat four sandwiches by the time she runs a 200m. All the doped GDR females had frizzy hair by the end.

@@couch.patati-patata I think their country has some problems but I wouldn't say all of them that's over the top..

@@Haraka111 It was a state sponsored doping program dipshit, the official papers were released when the Berlin wall came down. They scientifically, systematically doped their athletes over 4 year Olympic cycles. Monitored their results, performances, diet, exercise, rest etc etc German style, precise precision on top of precision The athletes didnt kno wat they were taking, they just knew that because they represented their nation they were living a slightly better life than their factory worker friends n neighbors. Sorry to spoil yer "positive" fairytale.

@@SPIDERM0OSE the last thing on this planet will be a cornball named spidermoose spoiling anything,,, now about that state-sponsored drug program,, did you see those papers with your own eyes not your imagination, don't get all Willy Wonka on me,, did you feel those papers with your hands.. did you hear those papers being read out loud,, were you one of those athletes being drugged up and not knowing,, where your mother one of those athletes, man. do you speak German I don't know maybe you do but I'm just asking... Remember this oddball.. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE ACCUSER...

You are correct. Weight training gives strength. But not body building. Some of todays runners are body builders. It's common sense that the bulkier you are the slower you get. But steroids give you so much power that you are simply propelled along at speeds which are grotesquely inconsistent with your bulk and your leg lift and stride length. It's quite plainly visible if you watch closely and compare the running of Dreschler and Ashford.

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 I never viewed Dreschler like I viewed the other East Germans that I suspected not being clean competitors, I just saw her as being tall and somewhat lanky, she didn’t have that choppy robot looking form as a lot of those runners( Gore, Koch and many other) j actually liked Dreschler) but that doesn’t mean she was clean, I just liked her as an athlete.

@@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350 Evelyn was 5’5” and Dreschler was 5’9 or 5’10”

+MoManny Desmond Lynam

David Coleman.

Desmond Lynham was the programme presenter/summariser, David Coleman was the commentator. Lynham was cool, fair, never a word of bias. Coleman-different story! In one programme he was pining for the East Europeans even though he must've known they were doped..some you could see the drugs in their faces, yet the guy lamented their absence whenever there was a clean sweep.

Evelyn Ashford is the "LOGO" for women's track and field in the USA.

Wow! Was there absolutely no other fairy tale by way of an excuse. We are talking here about professional athletes not high school inter-house meets. Would anybody plan train study the opposition and enter the world championships in multiple events if they thought they werent up to it? The more likely reason she took a break was to review and reset her doping schedule!

Same feeling here ..a big fan of Evelyn from.Mizoram India

wait now. youd be suprised at how slow track times would be without dope

She was doped too for sure

@@arturarturos7050 In the cynical world of athletics it is refreshing to know that Evelyn Ashford is universally accepted for being dope free.

A common feature when the drugs start wearing off

@@Brook-ct3kk Agreed 👍

You sound like a failed athlete

Who cares ....another drugged up bitch

JOSALDINHO7700 You have my sympathy.

+JOSALDINHO7700 you like a lot of druggies?

Well you saw your hero turning into a puppet and dance waving her arms around without running.

When your favourite gets beaten!

Topless, I would assume!

juiced up in competition? well I never...lol yep...she was!

It's pretty obvious she was juiced. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. On the other hand, every East German athlete in every sport they participated in WAS juiced and on that we have official records for confirmation.

We're talking here about government sponsored sytematic doping of athletes. No one accused the Canadian government of any wrong doing when Ben Johnson made a fool of himself.

Thats not very intelligent. Why should clean runners be penalised because of cheats. Its rather primitive to be unable to seperate the grain from the chaff and throw it all out together.

😄😄😄

Odion Grant DON'T DO DRUGS

You might be right but you just sound like a failed athlete you know what I mean... U sound like a bell..

This guy doesnt read newspapers or watch tv?

1973stefanp Take a seat miss asford was Clean As far as flo Jeter and others I think your right

You're flying kites! According to you Jesse Owens would also be accused of doping. Your twisted logic would imply that all those ladies except Evelyn Ashford would have been tested by anti doping agencies for PEDs all those long years!

Do you not see the telltale signs of steroid use - virilization. She's got a manly build about her. Here's the facts on East German doping: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany Rid yourself of the delusions.

MrVpassenheim

Odion Grant DRUGS

@@MrVpassenheim ... ignorance does not change the fact: the us sprinters were also doped.

She got caught and was punished.

Yep. Evelyn was never part of the roid crowd. In fact, if she was she probably wouldn't have been as pudgy. No insult intended because I thought Evelyn was a beautiful lady. But that shows that she wasn't all muscled up and did things naturally.

Yeah. She was around since the mid seventies and had to train that much harder, just to compete against the doped up Eastern Europeans. Mainly the East Germans.

It would be very strange if her coaches would say to friends of your close friends something like: we are using turinabol secretly, but please, don't tell anybody! It should be correct to say they managed to hide it from doping control.

@@худой_Бердыев Not even close! She was clean, but you might need to be Black to know the difference. Her running style is liquefied movement not brute force. Accept it.

If anybody says Evelyn Ashford used PEDs ever, they are either impotent jealous nitwits or psychiatrics needing urgent professional help.

Some of them were even men .

AHC63 What about Ottey at her best - 21.66, 21.64? Most of her races in 1991 (bar the 100m & 200m 1991 WC finals of course!)

Absolutely - fantastic runner!

Ashford was the best at relaxing and letting it happen, which is the key to great sprinting.

@@dudea729 Ottey always died at the very end of 200 metres, even her best ones she ran those times.

Although her 400PB was 51.57, I wonder, had she trained for that distance, if she could've competed w/ Koch and other noted 400 runners. Dreschler doesn't seem to have done much in distances longer than 200, and her PB in the 100 couldn't compete with Evelyn's. This was a lesson for Ms. Dreschler: The race is 200 meters - not 185.

I can believe it because her finishes were always so strong. Usually that's indicative of a great 200m runner

@@pmodel1 Yep. She would have competed in both the 100 and 200 in Los Angeles but at the Olympic trials she pulled up in the heats when she felt a twinge in her hamstring.

@@Sargebri yes because in 1983 world championship I think she got a injury to recover and be Olympic champion and get a silver in1988 to have that long a career at the top is incredible

@@redd605 yep. She pulled her hamstring halfway through the 100 meter final. The next year she not only won the Olympic gold medal in the 100 but a few weeks later she broke her own world record and beat her main rival Gohr in the process.

@@Sargebri I think it was Zurich Switzerland after the Olympic when East Germany and others who missed the games made a big turnout the mini Olympics

I think you may be right AHC63..I know she is a wonderful idol for all young track enthusiasts!

Sorry gotta go with Irena Szewinska on that one...she is the only sprinter to hold world records in all 3 distances 100m, 200m 400m, the only one to win Olympic medals at all distances and the only ever to be ranked # 1 in the world at all 3 distances - and the only one to be ranked #1 in the world at all 3 distances in the same year 1974. First women to break 50.0 second barrier for the 400m, on top of being the world top ranked Long Jumper 3 times in her career as well.

Al faubert Who, I've never heard this name.......

Al faubert Agreed 👍

@@alfaubert4580 Irena Szewinska is a great call, yes. The thing with Ashford is that many track and field fans feel she was unfairly deprived of glory quite a few times: one example is the 1980 US-led boycott, another one the highly suspicious Flo-Jo in the 1988 final. Not to mention injuries like the one in 1983 or doping programs that crossed her path (1976?).

Amnesia? She lost WC 1983 finale. Won 1984 Olympia, but without her opponents. Wasn't even qualified in 1987. And lost 1988 against her own teammate. Without a doubt a great athlet of her time. But dont rewrite history

@@enricoknaak9683 Speaking of amnesia, she went on to beat Marlies Gohr 2 weeks later in Zurich and she did it in world record time, despite not having a good start. Want to speak more about amnesia? She's beaten Marlies Gohr multiple times in her career, once running her down pretty easily as the relay anchor in the 1988 Olympics. Also, her top 2 times in the event are faster than Gohr/Oelsner's ever were. Furthermore, she beat both Koch (1979) and Drechsler (1986) AT THE PEAK of their performance, and both those 2 held the identical world record time. In 1988, she was beaten by Flo Jo, who herself was clearly a product of PED's between 1987 and 1988, otherwise Ashford would have been a double gold medalist at the 100m, joining Tyus, Devers, and Fraser-Pryce in that unique distinction. Ashford chose to concentrate on the 100m distance, which is why she never broke that record. Without a doubt she is one of the all-time fastest CLEAN runners in the sport's history. ***Most importantly of all, EVERY ONE of those GDR/DDR athletes were DOPED TO THE GILLS (**en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany)**. This is a matter of public record, and a HORRIFIC legacy of the iron curtain states. ALL of their times were ILLEGITIMATE, and despite that fact they were STILL beaten by the lovely Ms. Ashford.***

@@MrVpassenheim ALL East European athletes were doped from the 60's onwards, many without knowing but their national associations ran drug programs because athletics was a big propaganda outlet in challenging Capitalist narratives at home. Their athletes were full-time professionals competing against many who held down regular jobs back in the day. Later from the 90's onwards, professionalism evened things out. W. Germany also ran its own doping program to compete with the East Germany powerhouse athletes. Anybody citing these athletes without mentioning doping has an agenda as many of these athletes later admitted they were doped. In the US, there were doping coaches but it is yet to be proven that doping there was systematic in the same period. Of course defecting coaches brought their industrial doping techniques to bear upon those athletes who needed to bump up their times in order to compete with the mainframe cheats. Given this context, I believe Evelyn Ashford and Merlene Ottey ran clean.

@@andersonarmstrong2650 100% agree and perfectly summarized.

@@MrVpassenheim The '88 run-down was classic. It goes down as one of those all time relays where brute force had to contend with finesse.

You dumbass you think your athlets are pure muscle and training.Wake up and smell the coffee even legends like Carl Lewis were doped and yet the American Athletic Association let him start in Seoul cos they wanted shiny medals.All top athlets are doping, all of them.What do you think how they manage to get new record and next year another one and so on?

East German dude btw.

Mjölnir Uhm, well I'll play the devil's advocate and say they were all juiced up. Nevertheless Carl Lewis defeated the other juiced up East Germans ;)

we all did nunya...we all did

... ignorance does not change the fact: the us sprinters were also doped.

Drugs

lol dont forget the Czech Kratochvílová

@@gns3185 LOLOL

Ain't that the Truth 👍

@@joeortiz7715 sad thing is there are morons around even today trying to defend them.

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Stupid comment!

I agree completely. With Ashford or someone like Kathy Cook (nee Smallwood), their speed isn't directly related to power. It's a more complex combination of natural talent, good balance of power and weight plus and innate desire to run (fast) . That's not to say that someone like Drechsler isn't talented (of all the GDR athletes, she's probably the one of the few ones that look like they could've succeed without drugs). As someone who has always been love with the sport, at some point, I have to say **** it, I just want to look at these women running. I don't care who won their races, who cheated because none of us can change the past. I know that I adore Ashford, Cook, Marlene Ottey (and even Koch in some parallel world where everyone cheats) and how glad I am that RU-vid exists.

Yes well said...

I agree, Kathy cook was a brilliant runner,and to pick up medals back then,with all the going on in the 80s,and what we no now.v very special athlete,

... ignorance does not change the fact: the us sprinters were also doped.

@@miabrandt1926 Actually, ignorance is repeating that lie knowing it isn't substantiated by ANY facts.

Evelyn was probably clean, those other two doped up their ears.

and then the undoped outruns them? I see..

Drechsler lost because she was tired after her successes in Stuttgart. In 1986 Heike was much stronger than Ashford, who won thanks to her ironed mind-strength. Heike Drechsler set 21"71 twice, the second in awful weather conditions. She was a legend!

vinci brug. That's because She was on Oral Turinabol, like all the East Germans. Ashford was a Natural Athlete.

How can you be sure about Ashford and other americans? Even the dogs know that in USA doping is LARGELY used by olympic athlets, especially in those years. I would be much careful in speaking about american doping

vinci brug. Think about it. If it was just talent, why weren't the East German Men running sub 10s and sub 20s, for 100m and 200m and 28-29 ft long jumping?

She only melted in the last 30 metres. She was actually a bit behind Ashford off the bend, pulled ahead, but then windmilled ridiculously at the end and got passed again.