Asmongold Reacts to How 1 NPC Destroyed WoW’s ENTIRE Franchise | by Accolonn 

The jailor knew Microsoft would buy Blizzard, its all part of his master plan. That is why he made the stock price drop by pretending to be written badly.

Kel'thuzad went from being a Mage interested in Necromancy, to being forced to serve the Scourge, to trusting Ner'zhul's plan, to becoming the only friend Arthas had as a Death Knight (to the point he saved his life), to dying twice in the service of Arthas... To suddenly realizing he was on the Jailer's side all along.

Bandits stole grapes from the vineyards near Northshire Abby. Now I finally know why, and who’s responsible. The Jailor needs to be held countable for these crimes.

My problem with the jailer hasn't been that he supposedly had a 5m IQ with which to plan out almost everything from warcraft lore: my issue - is that Blizz has decided to wrap up almost all of warcraft lore into this one character. They're actually retconning and wrecking the entire history of warcraft in a cheap, transparent, desperate attempt to make this character relevant or interesting. Take all of warcraft lore and play a game of "the Simpsons did it" but substitute the word "Simpsons" with "jailer". Why were the Eredar corrupted? Well - because the jailer manipulated Sargeras. Why was the world tree destroyed? Burning Legion > Sargeras > Jailer. Why was Draenor destroyed creating the outlands? Burning Legion > Sargeras > Jailer. Dark portal Orc invasion? Burning Legion > Sargeras > Jailer. Scourge and Arthas and Lich King(s)? You guessed it - Burning Legion > Sargeras > Jailer. Worgen? Surely the worgen aren- oh wait - Druids fighting the burning legion (satyrs specifically) sooooo.... Burning Legion > Sargeras > Jailer. Fall of the high elves? Burning Legion > Sargeras > Jailer. Eshara . Oh you say - but at least Queen Azshara and the Naga were a corruption of the old Gods and thus void influence... right? Welllllll not really, no, because her fealty to the old God was a result of the well of eternity being blown up after it was corrupted by fel magic because she made a deal with the legion in exchange for power soooo.... Burning Legion > Sargeras > Jailer. the only things left in WoW's lore, which are not wrapped up into "the jailer did it".... are trolls, furbolgs, centaurs, old gods, the curse of flesh (so far, but I suspect that will change), deathwing, and maybe a handful of other items in the lore. Almost everything - legitimately - almost EVERYTHING in warcraft lore has now become "the jailer did it". I don't care if it was him randomly throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what stuck, or if it was a 5 million IQ plot from the beginning: almost everything from this once expansive fascinating, intricate world of lore and story of factional strife among many disparate groups vying for power and control and resources and survival; has boiled down into being nothing but the manipulations of this one - single - character.

Turns out KT's phylactery had its own phylactery. We can't destroy his phylactery until we go to the super shadowlands (where creatures from the shadowlands go when they die) to destroy his phylactery's phylactery. Coming in 2024.

Doesn’t help that Zovall looked like a random, bald dungeon elite that couldn’t afford shoes. His character design was garbage

Its sad to see so many fans come up with better stories then the devs

The Jailer is the Ultimate Chad. He mindbroke everyone because he's playing 8D chess.

Zoval is what happens when you decide to use Sylvannas instead of Arthas as his champion: On one hand you have a character that is completely blind and stupid to everything the big bad says and does, only to have a heel turn because he said a word that triggers your character. Though since you want to keep that character's free will, you make a new Lich King to try an insert some 'conflict' in her actions; but since that character is completely blind and stupid, she does it anyways. A character that has to have empathy installed into her brain for some backdoor redemption moment. On the other hand you have a character that has lost his free will and has been forced to do the big bad's bidding from the very start, a character that was written to have been fighting over his domination in the leadup to his defeat. A character who had a chance of being freed from that domination but was immediately cast back into to the big bad's hands. Imagine if he still fought against the domination imposed upon him still in the Shadowlands. Imagine if he was the one who was giving the players breadcrumbs to follow, threads to pull, cracks to open. Imagine Uther, Jaina, King Ternas, being given an opportunity to simultaneously correct their own personal wrongs for abandoning Arthas in his time of need and to rescue his soul from the fate they unwittingly sheparded him into. Imagine Arthas in the final hour sacrificing what remained of his soul to make a singular choice to save the Shadowlands; only for his mentor, friend, and father to stand beside him in that moment to save and redeem him. Imagine instead of his final words being "I only see darkness for me" he says something akin to "I'm glad I was able to see you one last time with my own eyes." But no, everyone was denied this story narrative in favor of redeeming Sylvanass: Which required Tyrande to abandon her vengeance. Which requires everyone she's wronged to forgive her for choices she made using her own freewill. Which is being done via "She didn't know what she was doing, she didn't know." Using the splitting soul mechanic introduced in this expansion alone to give her the narrative exit.

If the heroes really beat zovall (which let's be real, there's no way we won't with blizz) it will open up a massive plot hole where it doesn't make sense that any villain could ever beat us, or even stand close to us for that matter, and the stakes would never be high again.

Honestly at this point they might aswell say that at some point the true timeline was disrupted by the Infinite dragonflight and basically 'made' the Jailor, they told him key future events, and let him manipulate the outcomes to his favor, we have to go to these key points in the Warcraft history to prevent the Jailor's influence from taking hold and letting the true timeline to be returned to it's original state. ....Basically make a story that the Infinite Dragonflight told the Jailor about all of the key moments in history, which allowed him to manipulate the outcomes to favor himself to eventually reach the point he got in Shadowlands,... And it's our task to go back to these key points in history to prevent the Jailor's influence from seeping in, with the end of the storyline having us fight against a Void-Lord empowered Murozond from ever influencing the true timeline ever again. This idea would be basically making a 'Caverns of Time' expansion, where it's literally entire questing zones taking place in different time periods that take place within 'Our' timeline and not in a 'Warlords of Draenor' alternate timeline, so think more on the lines of 'Escape from Durnholde keep' and 'The Culling of Stratholme' Also for some reason I kept calling the Infinite Dragonflight the Timeless Dragonflight.

It's been a year and this shit still makes me shake my head. Thank you Anne Stickney and lore team for completely destroying 20 years of lore.

The Jailer should win, so he can remake Azeroth and make it great again!

I stopped playing end of Cataclysm. I was a die-hard forsaken player. After the end of 3.3.5 I felt as if the whole faction lost its purpose and with it I lost my purpose to keep playing even though it took me one whole expansion to realize this. Seeing how Sylvanas is about to break completely as a character, how the hell is the forsaken STILL even a thing!?

Thank you to the person or the people that recommended Accolon to be reacted to by Asmon! He really deserves this bump in views and the new subscribers. He's great!

I would LOVE to see them do an internal votes on what the the top problems are in the game right now and seeing how far off they are compared to a fan vote

Every time stuff like this happens it reminds me of that interview with Ian years ago where he said that "all of WoW's story is planned 5-8 years ago." You cannot convince me that the idea of the Jailer existed before BFA. I think they created him in BFA specifically to give Sylvanas an out for the shitstorm THEY were going to put her through. The Jailer is a scapegoat for their own shitty writing which is, in itself, shit writing. God Microsoft can't buy them sooner.

I really liked Sylvanas as a character, she went the full hero journey and beyond, from being that tormented morally grey at the very beginning, to finding new purpose with the forsaken and the horde, to redeeming herself and being a hero, to being the leader of the horde herself. I haven't played wow for years but was always keeping myself updated on the lore. It makes me sad seeing such a nice character being destroyed like this.

Asmon gave voice to what I've been saying for 10 years. When every thing has to be explained and laid out before the audience's inspection, you lose the magic. Some times, less is more, including answers. Everyone is so quick to demand imaginative stories and worlds, and yet so few seem to actually want to use their own. The world only gets small once all the dark corners of the map are filled in.

Plot twist: Zovaal was planned since Warcraft 2.

i have been watching accolonn for like 2 months now and he speaks the truth on every video, im so glad u had the chance to give him some light. please give him support 💜

Arthas became evil because, as Tichondrius states in Warcraft 3, Frostmourne claimed the souls of whomever the sword touched. Arthas' soul was the first one it claimed since he was in prolonged contact with the thing upon claiming it in Northrend. Thus his soul was trapped inside the sword and was essentially under the control of Ner'zhul through the Crown of Domination. And yea; remember him? Ner'zhul? The orc shaman who destroyed Draenor to flee into the cosmos, only to be caught by Kil'jaeden? Who destroyed his body an bound him to the suit of armor inside ice from the Twisting Nether he then flung atop Icecrown Glacier to enact the plan of creating the Scourge to weaken the forces of Azeroth for the second coming of the Burning Legion? Arthas pretty much not only reclaimed his soul for but a moment when Tirion Fordring shattered Frostmourne with the Ashbringer, but was freed from the Helm of Domination when the thing got flung off his head when he got his ass kicked while suspended by all the souls originally trapped inside Frostmourne. That Arthas we see dying in the ending cinematic was the original Arthas we meet in Warcraft III, finally free, hence "Father! Is it over?" like waking from an inescapable living nightmare, only to die immediately after. Blizzard writing team: "Pfft! FUCK that noise. It was really the Jailer all along who knows everything before even we do because we just pulled him out of our ass- I mean he can read the script before it's even approved!" Fuck Activision-Blizzard. This serves as a reminder as to why a setting like Warcraft requires a setting bible. So you don't constantly pull stuff out the ass because it's easier than actually making it work in tune with the rules set up.

Regardless how they plot armor us to victory, the Jailer already won.

There is that one piece of story that connects back to azeroth, where you play as the farmer in redridge and i think its pretty well done. You know, you defend the town against the scourge and ultimately die. Which raises a big question: His soul goes to the Shadowlands, but why does every Player respawn his soul at a graveyard? Of course, we don't get answers.

When I watch this and hear them talk about how this guy influenced all the events of Warcraft 3. I begin to wonder if they are sticking with the rewritten story that they wanted to do for the remake but just won’t say it and thus you get this reaction. Still interesting to watch from the outside

I wish the jailer was a bit for ruthless. His character would have had a lot more weight to it if he had actually killed Bane in the first cinematic we see him. Or honestly if he would have choked sylvanus to death like thanos did to Loki. The jailer would have that unstoppable force to him rather then annoying inconvenience.

At this point Zolval is just beyond broken, so the idea of him being beaten doesn't work in any way, shape or form, but he will be and it won't make sense.

I want to know when the character of zovaal as he exists right now became an idea. Was he an "idea" back in wc3? Was he only created because someone watched avengers and wanted a Thanos? At what point did they decide they needed a mastermind behind everything, because it seemed pulled out of their ass only because someone liked Thanos

I am thoroughly convinced that the inspiration for the Jailer is Kotick and that the Shadowlands are an allegory for the soul of Blizzard. The heartless Jailer deceives all under the guise of some master plan, the covenants are the fragmented internal factions at Blizzard, etc. I never see this mentioned but to me it feels obvious.

One of my favorite is still when you’re defending Ardenweald and then the cut scene ends. And then Anduin just... Walks in. Yoinks what you were defending and is gone in two seconds- Like what was the entire point of me being there if this all power Ysera sister just- LEAVES an important piece to be taken or all that fighting for it to quite literally mean nothing but a waste of time to keep you busy.

One of the most chilling moments in the Arthas novel is near the end when Arthas kills the mental representations of both Ner'zhul and his humanity/innocence. This conscious decision to discard any opportunity of redemption is an amazing bit of writing, and if he was being controlled the whole time, its meaningless.

As a hobbyist "writer" (in the end it gets channeled into an ongoing DnD campaign), i feel like many other writers struggle with stake escalation, so thats something i myself try to get better at technically there is no need to have ever greater stakes. Once you save the world from a demon invasion, there is very little you can do to go further without becoming slightly ridiculous and even if you do, what are you going to do after that? Storywise you could absolutely go down in stakes and still have a very compelling story. There are tons of really cool stories in which the world isn't in danger. In an MMO, maybe its a problem with "we have increased the level cap and added 3 more zones - and this time instead of saving the world, you have to save a city from destruction", but there is still plenty of room of "someone is supplying horde and alliance with weapons of mass destruction and we have uncovered this underground facility" or some rebellion somewhere or a new continent rises and its a story of who colonizes it first and so on and so forth. I am not that deep into warcraft lore, but i am absolutely sure you can build a plot that matters to the character and the important NPCs and feels cool to the players, includes a few new zones and so on, without having to be bigger and more dangerous and more impactful than ever before. Players are willing to accept trashmobs in the latest expansion being stronger than bosses two expansions ago, as long as the story is good, they can probably accept that the secret weapondealer goons/rebel agents/elementals of the new lands are dangerous to a previously max level character

Accolonn being accused of hate click is a bit ridiculous. If anything he may be guilty of giving the writers/lore team the benefit of the doubt for too long. Either way I do enjoy his no holds barred commentary.

10:16 YES! I am literally praying for this since i first heard what happens in Shadowlands! This guy destroyed one my favorite fantasy universes and he is still doing it! Literally ANYONE on the internet could have written a better story for this expansion! Hell, even I could write a better story for this expansion within 5 minutes! The nerve to even drag the classic stories into this to cover himself in a laughable way, is seen from miles and infuriating!

Illidans "redemption" made sense. He was, IMO, the best character in all of WoW. The depth, the moral crisis, the story tied him together like a real person. Her even resisted being "cured", just like so many of us resist being cured by moral busy bodies who don't really care about our well being, but just want to slot is into their mold of "good". Sylvanas' makes zero sense. They Mary sued her to death, and then just...what? No moral crisis? No change? No atonement? Completely ridiculous. Tyrande also doesn't make sense. You can't just magically change a character's main motivation with some foofoo ritual and have it be satisfying. And Elunes lack of knowledge also makes no sense.

Sylvanas: - Burns down a whole city of civilians just to flex on one random nightelf giving her backtalk - Uses whats basically the Fantasy world Version of Chlorine Gas just worse on the battlefield, and if that wasnt bad enough, a Battlefield full of her own people - Discurages the rescure of her own people from her biological weapon in favor of slaughtering retreating Alliance Soldiers - Literally wants to create a Human VErsion of a Chlorine Gas Bom from the Dead Brother of an enemy leader INternet Simps: sHe'S mOrAlLy GrAy!!!!!!!

It's just ridiculous how much more threat the players have had to deal with, progressively, from expansion to expansion. If this guy controlled so much, what the hell is next? "Oh, save us from this evil creature controlling everything, and later on there's another eviler creature controlling more things." LAME!

Creating a plot twist to outsmart the audience instead of carry the story is a great way to make people not care about a story. One of the best ways to implement Zovaal would have been to have him only nudge characters in a direction instead of directly controlling characters.

“His 40,000 year plot, has been ended in a single patch” Ah yes, the telltale traits of a well developed villain

Also, that's what the WoW extended books should be. The Lord of the Rings is the main trilogy, and there are dozens of books that explain the main story. In WoW, the game should be exactly what the Lord of the Rings is. The books should only compliment and expand the game. Imagine if you had to read the Silmarillion to understand the Lord of the Rings.

I've tried for years to describe it all in a variety of ways, only to be utterly outdone by whoever first decided to call it messy. Because that's exactly what it is. It feels like it was absent mindedly thrown together by people who don't give a shit.

Sentient weapons and items are a stable in fantasy since D&D, it's a classic to give a player a super overpowered weapon, to only make it a sentient bloodthirsty psychopath that forces the player to kill any given character under threat of being killed themselves lol

If Arthas was hanging around Anduin like Johnny Silverhand does with us in Cyberpunk, and became a recurring character, it would've been kinda cool.

Arthas in the sword kinda tracks. Wasn't Ner'zhul originally trapped in a crystal. So he shows up as a helmet in Icecrown. A Helmet with a blue crystal in it. So Arthas gets the sword with the runes on it and his corruption begins. He puts on the helmet and merges with Ner'zhul. Arthas dies and gets sent to the maw and Zoval shoves him in a blue crystal just like he did Ner'zhul. Makes sense.

I laughed so hard at, “it’s domination-ception.” 🤣🤣

I catch Acco a ton as well as you and here I get to watch you both. You guys are always on point!

In his review of The Witness, Joseph Anderson noted that the worst stories are typically simple ones told in a complex way. By making the Jailor the supposed mastermind of literal decades worth of written lore, the last few years of which needed dozens of books and outside sources to even comprehend, Steve Danuser and his Merry Band of World-Building Mutilators have committed a cardinal sin of storytelling. They made a story that's somehow both convoluted and lazily simple.

Asmon is not entirely wrong on Jesus being a Plot Device. He was Sent to Fulfill the Law written by Moses, in otherwords he was literally filling the role of a character in a Book. The Old Testamant's Prophecies

I don't even play WoW and I don't know any of this story or characters, but I'm still watching and enjoying Asmon's vids like these coz it's just entertaining 😂

Steve Danuser needs to go. He has retconed fan favorite lore to "attempt" to make the jailer this 10,000 IQ mastermind. Wrong.

My best example of mysteries enriching the setting is the story of the blue wizzards from Tolkien. Or to be more precise, the lack of a story. We know nothing about them other that they went to the east. And oh man, my thoughts fly when I think about them.

Elune being a robot will still matter. And that still destroys so much of the lore of WarCraft.

If Zovaal was able to do so much to influence WOW's history, how did he do it from the Maw? If Sylvanas could meet Zovaal when she jumped from ICC and then return to Azeroth, how was Zovaal trapped in the Maw? Sylvanas could have freed him from his chains and he could have come to Azeroth too.

Man this is just a sad way to end this part of the "story"

Jaina...Sylvanas...Tyrande... You know, I had more fun traveling across Kul-Tiras with Talia Fordragon, and she's more responsible and nice character, than those 3. Especially this scene, when Anduin meets her after main storyline.

Emerald Nightmare & Trial of Valor served a purpose in Legion and where not there for no reason. They were palette cleansers. Pre-patch, Leveling & pre-raid gearing was all themed around the Legion so to not burn players out on the burning legion being EVERYWHERE we got Emerald Nightmare as a break untill we resumed the Legion theme with Suramar and Nighthold etc. Same thing with Trial later in the cycle. Same thing happens in all good expansions. ZA in TBC. Ulduar and the dragon raids in WotLK etc.

With the decline of longstanding Antagonists and the overly repetitive use of Faction wars I believe it would be good for Blizzard to take an Expansion or two to drive away from fighting an endgame BBEG and set up more long-term neutral foes. Maybe try for a turn the PC into mercs in a time of peace between the factions facing off against smaller type foes that wouldn't be worth gather an entire army from the factions to handle (I.E. Scarlet Crusade, Defias brotherhood, Syndicate, Pirates & others) we've escalated so far into Cosmic battles that taking time away from those to handle these smaller Homefront foes that keep popping up in world would be a nice pace changer. Maybe have Robbery scenarios or clearing out Scarlet cultists from scattered abandoned churches and ruins left about after all their major strongholds have been stomped in other expanses. These smalltime foes could bring us back to other zones and areas that we haven't touched in a while under the premise of seeking out these gangs and insurgents.

It's even more hilarious and sad and pathetic and so many more other things once you look at the 9.2 PTR and see the datamined information. We don't even know his motives, his reasons, his justifications, his perspective...We don't even know who the First Ones are except they made a giant robot factory that apparently spit out creation. We don't even know anything about their secrets to even UNDERSTAND WHY ZOOVAL IS DOING THIS. THERE IS NOT EVEN A HINT OF A BIGGER PLAYER IN EARLIER EXPANSIONS TO JUSTIFY HIS MANIPULATIONS SINCE WARCRAFT 3! P.S-Dear Microsoft. Burn it all to the ground and start over.

I started watching Accolonn years ago for the lock vids as that's my main. I stayed for the evolution into lore. I can appreciate the fact that he's been honest about the game and where it's going despite his love of the lore. Glad he's getting some attention as he really does speak his mind and the truth about the state of WoW.

At 31:10 I can think of Scatino the captain who sank 4 mega ships, got raised to a captain in 2 years from working on a shitty security camera job and still managed to somehow make it. I am not suprised for Activision staff working at WoW.

You want interesting female WoW characters? Well, I can think of one that could potentially be interesting if they managed to actually reasonably pull her into the story... But Yrel, specifically the version from the Mag'Har Orc allied race quest... The version of her that's become a fanatical tyrant forcing everyone to worship the Light and killing anyone who refuses. I think she'd make for a great villain because of the nature of the power of The Light in setting of Warcraft.

I feel like an old man screaming at clouds. I loved the small narratives in Legion like freeing the Nightborne, and the actual ressurection of Illidan, however I despised what they did with the Draenei lore and the big narrative of just bum rushing to Argus and wrapping up the entirety of the Legion. People quote BFA like it was the start but the story has been sliding since Thrall shot his magic lazer beam out of the magic dinner plate.

A story only Sweet Baby Inc writers could've dreamt up.

Imagine,back in the day,the big bad guys were like these: Shadow Council Nathrezim Burning Legion Sargeras we all thought that Sargeras was the one big bad boy,and like when the police is investigating a scene,the Jailer - as the FBI (higher authority) - comes in and says like: Okay,Now I'm in charge now,we take over the case. And Sargeras,the Shadow Council and the others like: No,this is our case,this is our country! FBI Jailer: Not anymore...

i didnt like when the old gods went from "sargeras trembles at their mention" and his only way of killing them was to KILL ALL LIFE in the universe and let them starve to death, but i understood it from lore perspective... but the jailer? now thats fucked up lore, killing everything and destroying over 15 years of lore right there...

Warcraft 2 also draw me to the Warcraft, it look simple and fun then come Warcraft 3 where I simply love everything in it that led me to follow World of Warcraft lore in the first place Seeing Shadowland make me sad, I wouldn't even believe it myself that I would hate the lore like this

6:20 yesssss this and the boss fight where my boi Garrosh finishes off that boss fight for us

the daughter from the deadmines should have had more to her story Vancleef she could have has some wicked dungeons and stuff

Same issue with black zetsu/kaguya at the end of naruto shippuden. We’re made to think someone is the big bad. We have lore for them. They’re built up, and then there’s someone that was never mentioned AT ALL that’s truly pulling the strings behind the scenes the whole time. It’s lame af and terrible writing. It isn’t satisfying or compelling at all story-wise

Asmongold and Accolonn = great content creators!

The account wide rep thing, i thought a bit about it and I i think SL was good set up for making it account wide, as in when doing the DH starting zone, Illidan himself mentiones you having an immortal soul unlike the NPC's in Azeroth, thought when going into SL, since its the after life and all we could have learned that we are one soul and all the characters in that account are connected to that one soul, hence they could have done something to enable the NPC's see that or us showing them that we are that one soul, to make sense that my new allied race pally has the same rep as my main where I farmed legion rep to max, because its the same soul on a different avatar. but maybe they dont want to introduce that. just a passing thought on account wide rep and having less shit to grind on alts.

Let's just say N'zoth put us all to sleep in Ny'alotha, we're having clearly terrible nightmares. We wake up to Ralof saying; "You're finally awake"

Metson was a horde shill and as an aliance player who is STILL shafted in lore and gameplay because of him and his legacy I can NOT for the life of me say his lore was good it was decent and better than current story but his focus on horde love alliance hate is something that is wrong Im a horde main now because I have to be to want to do any form of raiding... but my heart is still alliance and always has been since the beginning so honestly metson leaving was good for alliance but bad for the game as a whole we need someone to evolve his legacy but do it in a way that shows both sides some love not one that makes thrall green jesus...

WoW goes through its major villains way to fast imo. There's a few that pop back up here and there but often its a villains appears and is taken out within an expansion... Am I wrong for wanting some of the bigger villains to last atleast 2 expansions? Especially if they're extremely powerful Uber beings.

The Jailer is to Wow what Christoph Waltz's Blofeld was to the Daniel Craig James Bond movies.

Many writers of note have said this, including recently Tarantino. Basically the idea is that when you write a story and characters, at a certain point they begin to write themselves. Their past actions, their motives, their experiences in the story begin to shape and answer the question “so what do they do next and why?” Without much thought at all. This is what makes a well written and well rounded character. When I hear Asmon talk about writer ego it is so true and it’s an example of a bad writer. Instead of reading, understanding and then telling the story of a character the writers that inherit work often want to rework or rewrite the characters, which of course never works because the character should be writing itself, instead some twerp with a degree in creative writing gets the job and wants to make their mark by turning all the characters and the story into their favourite trash media, which is poor continuation and is just like poor adaptations where they completely rewrite whole sections and characters. It rarely works and even when it does it’s even rarer that it’s as good or better than what came before. Poor writing and writers are literally ruining all media.

Like I said in the chat, when you explain gods, you make them almost mortal in a sense and remove most of the mystique. Something a god should have in any narrative by default. A lot of characters were immediately ruined in WoW, when they started completely explaining them. Probably mainly because even they didn't know and made it up as they went. Elune was pretty cool, all the way up to the point when she was revealed to be the Winter Queens effing sister and spoke. Then she just became the same as the rest. Still cooler than the rest imo because she still hasn't been given a face yet... But still the same as the rest.

Zoval controlling Sylvanas' the whole time just reduced her character to nothing. She went from complex and interesting whether you saw her as a villian or a friend she was worth investing in. Now it's just lol doesn't matter she was just missing half her soul. She hasn't done anything good since being struck down by Frostmourne. It's all part of a big evil plan from an inter dimensional Thanos. Same with everything to do with Zoval has taken the entirety of WoW's lore and made it pointless.

Sylvanas was already a flat character. But the talent behind blizzard was able to take a close look at the minor topography of the character and make it even flatter. Sylvanas is so flat that Flat Earthers don't believe it's physically possible.

warcraft 3 ending cinematic has the lich king saying to arthas: "Now we are one"

I don’t like how in wow lore, life and death are treated sorta like factions, not states of being. X serves death, so they are the bad guys. Y serves life, so they are the good guys. It’s very binary and boring, especially for a story that wants to be deep and fulfilling. It’s fine if you want a bad guy to just be a bad guy, but then you get a relatively simple story with not much profound revelations. Whoever wrote up this lore wants the jailer to be this more complicated character, who has more deep reasons for why he does the things he does. Labeling him as “death” from the beginning kinda immediately makes him so shallow. It’s like if you made thanos, didn’t tell us why he is doing what he is doing, put a big ass sticker on his 4head labeled “big bad guy” and trying to build a compelling story around that. Like the Arthus litch king lore is so appealing because there is this inner struggle that the “big bad guy” is having, and you end up sympathizing with him. The jailer is just a turd with nipples.

I would love to see asmongold more DIRECTLY collaberating with other content creators. Like for example if we got an hour session talk or podcast with asmongold, accolon and maybe rich too, would be cool as fuck.

For those curious. Asmond mentioned a new writer coming in to take ownership of another authors story. This does happen and to be factual, it has happened. One of the most infamous moments of this is in the Western Comic scene, DC comics to be specific. You'll have to ask comic historians about this but a fan wrote a letter to DC about Super Boy of his own head Canon of super boys origins. The original creators told that fan "no, you're wrong". Years later this fan entered DC and made it high enough in the chain to make his head Canon real.

literally the WoD not mattering has been in my head cannon since Legion kicked off. Vol'jin was Warchief for all but a week and a half before he got offed

Hey Asmon, I really do appreciate the content you have been uploading over the years. Your content has got a lot of people I know to try the game, be that classic or retail. Thanks a bunch for getting people I know into the game and reigniting my flame for the game as well. I fell into the pack mentality of "the game is dead" or "the game is shit now" for a couple of years. But after watching your videos and stream I slowly realised that, those thoughts of the game was dead or shit are not true and I was only feeling this way because many players jaded and angry players are saying this over and over. So I stopped listening to trade chat, youtube chat and stream chat, I joined a new guild and really started to enjoy the little things in the game again. Thanks again :) I hope you are well

Everytime i see Zoval i start to think something like: "Ahahahah, okok this is enough stupidity, please bring out the real vilain" I honestly cant take him seriously

That 29 min mark where the paused vid and current vid line up on the screen tho

They tried to make a Thanos but forgot the years of build up and back story and fear of the existence of this director.

Speaking in terms of actual significance of the story, have we really felt anything important from all this? Was there ever an underlying message? With the final fantasy franchise (not just XIV the MMO), you have this idea that hope prevails in the face of overwhelming odds - even in the face of gods. In the fallout franchise you get the classic "war never changes". What exactly did we take from the experience of WoW? Was it worth anything in the end?

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Also about the Ring and Sauron. Sauron imbued part of his essence into the ring. So the rings were in fact pieces of him. Which is how he could influence those who wore them.

Tbh i started in legion and assumed Guldan came back to life via the Legion's power.

Hes using Anduins body as a vessel. The crystal had arthas's soul in it and basically hes trying to be the lich king again.

The naxx 3d Intro vid a guy made.. Ä while ago.. Legendary for me

We need more based cinematic of epic battles. I want to see frontlines of Orcish Grunts or Human Footmen clash against some type of enemy, with their leader showing absolute fearlesness. That's the thing I want to see. One of the reasons everyone LOVED what the Garrosh cinematic in Shadowlands represented. It was an amazing way to give a middle finger to all who oppose his version of the truth. Remember, Garrosh believed 100%(and still believes) that his choices were the correct ones. That's what made it badass.

Bro its all a vision varian is having before gul dan kills him, but when next expansion comes he snaps out of it and kills guldan and all the demons , restoring balance to the world and killing sylvannas too evading the travesty that would have been.

What if Alduin planned to help Silvanas from the get go to take down the Jailer somehow lending his strength to her this whole time while perceiving to be under the jailers control and the raid and Silvanas take out the Jailer for the last raid of the xpac?

When Zack starts slinging Prof JRR's quotes my shriveled little heart grows a size or two ^^;

Of course Steve is the face of the narrative design team, he's the LEAD. All story decisions have to be approved by him, he isn't just some figurehead.

This is going to sound a bit like a tangent, but I'll bring it back around. I work in architecture. In fact, for years, I worked in healthcare architecture and now I work in affordable housing. Both have the same sorts of problems where you're remodeling. More specifically, you're remodeling and renovating buildings that have not only stood for sometimes over a hundred years, but have been constantly renovated during. And when you run through those changes, suddenly you break down a wall during demolition that you thought was just a wall, in fact on all the drawings you have it's just a wall, and find out it's stud work on the outside of a disused concrete shear wall that can't be demolished. Or you suddenly find out during demolition that one of the walls you're demolishing beneath is actually the old exterior wall of the building and weighs a ton, and can't span the waiting room you designed beneath it (true story). The biggest problem we have, though, is when someone says, "We'd like to expand upwards." Even if you can do this, even if the building was originally designed to do this at one point, there are so many considerations you have to take into account that it's always a mess. Growing the building always means shelling in the walls as I talked about above, but when you need to go up, you need to start punching structural members down into places they weren't supposed to be. You need to shore beams, build new shear walls. it's an ugly, brutal process where you simply need to do what you have to do and clean up architecturally after. Yes, that means you'll have places where any occupant in their right mind goes, "WTF, why did they think that was a good idea?" And we answer, "We didn't, it was just the only idea." This is bad enough when you've got some client insisting on putting a second floor on a grocery store he bought, let alone a hospital needing a sixth floor on a century-old community hospital that's got an onion's worth of renovated layers above and around it. So what the Hell does this have to do with this video? The problem is, WoW is just out of room to grow as a story. There's nothing left. They have plumbed the very depths of the story. They've done Medivh, Azshara, Kel'Thuzad, Sargeras, all the heroes from all the Warcraft RTS expansions, all that. They've cleared out like two and a half decades worth of lore. So the only thing they can do is build up. Install another set of villains that are brand new which sit over our current bosses on the totem pole. And, fact is, Warcraft was never built for that. This expansion to their lore is entirely scabbed on and messy. Unfortunately, the answer for why they're doing this is the same as I gave above, "It's not a good idea, but it's the only way to do it." They have three options, messily try to grow the story in a way that seems integrated by punching structure into places it doesn't go, end up retreading and repeating the whole thing, or just wiping it all out and starting over. The last option is too far for them to go without making a whole new MMO, the second option has been tried and is annoying the playerbase who want something new, hence going with option one. They need to wipe it all down to the foundation. If they do World of Warcraft 2.0, there's an awful lot they'd need to do to give them back all that lore so that it isn't a complete retread. They may just need to do an entire different MMORPG. The two cheaper options just aren't working for them.