Asmongold Torn Between Respecting Rolls Or Loot Council RAGNAROS Drops - Classic WoW 

Weak leadership!

Jigzaw leading his guild through Deadmines right now completely fairly.

Jigsaw is truly the greatest leader.TRADE DEALS WITH CHINA

@@fatjonseatingadventures5429 jigsaw 2020

Lol I can here his voice.

So fitting 😂

There’s a pattern forming

Jigsaw 2024!!

I farted

big yikes, what a shit raid team to be in

@@lidrane3793 Yeah it's unfair and shitty. They're like let's roll this off.. guy wins the roll and Asmon is like "No, you can't have it because you don't have another dagger." like wtf lol, Asmon you slithery snake.

I'm starting to think jigsaw was right

@@roosin7900 big true

He changes rules on loot it's annoying. I mean he also gave a judgment tier to someone who didnt win the roll and cucked McConnell

gee wiz its almost like they manipulate their rolls/council with massive favoritism in mind.

@@ZugzugZugzugson What? Council breaks down into shit?! WHAAT?! :D I ran MC for a few months and just went "whatever you say, sir" since hunters don't have to drama too much for weapon ;)

As I thought this in my head i scroll to your comment Haha so fkin tru

Legit what hes been doing since they hit 60

It's still fun to watch them break down constantly even if it's fake

THIS, watching this on stream was so bullshit. It was done and over with 5 minutes in and he milked it for 4 hours

@@senkrad5 he has no content, he's watching youtube videos, and milking shit like this. pathetic

Yea like wtf is this retarded logic, if it's BiS for Rogue then obviously they all need it.

Lars Oosterveen fr. He passed on the gloves cause there was someone with daggers already. And he didn’t . He respected that. But now that he wants to get daggers they deny him cause he passed on the gloves... tf

@@ulisesroldan2955 Yeah, it's just common sense to pass on gloves when you don't have daggers yet. Banking an item for unforeseeable future when someone else could be putting it to good use is a big no for me, I would quit that guild on spot and I believe that's also what Grenades did.

@@imyournme6632 Are you braindead

@@bmarkelj80 YOU'RE SO FUCKING BAD LEVEL 17 KID

What is soulbound?

@@neekosupp can't trade it to anyone

can't tell if you're sarcastic

Weak officers

Yeah I agree, as long as the winner can reasonably use the item you should respect the roll. Obviously I wouldn’t give an item to someone that isn’t going to use it.

@@FFgamesftw Not obviously if you say beforehand "ROLL". That opens up the loot to everyone. It's not your decision to suddenly decide that only X or Y people should've rolled. You need to lay the rules beforehand, not making them up post factum because you didn't like the outcome

@TheFoozey And how do you go dagger spec if you can't get daggers because you aren't dagger spec because swords is better until Perditions? Don't be a dumbass.

You have to start with an item or you wont get any item at all. THIS IS A JOKE. And the best? How MCSHIT, after he greeded on countless items, countless weapons, came to shit on Grenades too.

@Cosma Alex no you stop being a dumbass. If he won the roll for bis dagger gloves, they would use the very same argument against him "im not giving you dagger gloves until you show me you have daggers" The same as your argument which is "im not giving you dagger until you show me you have gloves"

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator that's why he didn't roll on the gloves? you're a fucking moron lol

Theres not a ton of daggers prior to MC. You can get AV daggers and maybe buy Alcoz. Its easier to get swords prior to MC by just bashing your head against UBRS for dals.

Yeah not sure what the warrior was smoking. Daggers on warriors at least 2 daggers isnt good.

He passed on the gloves. The dagger is only BIS with the gloves. Therefore he wasn't intending on going daggers until the dagger dropped. Even Esfand, whom has nothing to gain from either outcome, conceded that Grenades shouldn't get the dagger.

@@Jackaroo. he couldve just went back to Dire Maul and farmed out the Mugger's Belt and just rolled on gloves next drop. just saying..

@@dylanmckinnon6830 He could've rolled on it *that* drop if he actually wanted the daggers, he's just switching now because something came up that he could wield, there are obviously much better choices for the daggers, he could roll next drop for the blade if he actually wanted to switch to daggers.

MrWalkwaySc2 true, it’s obvious u don’t use daggers till u have the daggers from mc, just basic understanding of the game and the class rogue

@@kaspervandenelzen2989 Yea and the whole argument about not rolling on the gloves meaning he isn't dedicated to go daggers was dumb. I think they mentioned he had t1 gloves already so it would be wasteful to take two items away. I just don't like asmon or his guild of idiots.

If you're a swords rogue and are planning on going daggers you ALWAYS save the best dagger you have. That way once a dagger drops that pops you over from swords you already have both daggers ready to go. If he doesn't have any daggers then he's what, single-wielding a dagger? It's one bag space, you always carry the best of another weapon type if you're hoping to switch.

M You can buy a dagger off the AH then farm one in a couple of hours? You don’t think he can have the perd blade in his bag and farm with sword spec for like 3 hrs?

@@TheHahanicevideo My point is if he was planning on going daggers once he got a Perd blade, why the fuck would he vendor the previous dagger he won. It's almost certain that he will have had the opportunity to get a dagger sometime between 55-60

@K D Yeah but then saying u got the dagger in the bank and then have none is shady af.

The gloves was BiS too, and he passed.

@@kpiaum So he should take a BiS from another rogue who ACTUALLY HAS DAGGERS READY on the off chance that he gets a rare Dagger? I don't understand the logic that gloves are needed for DAGGER spec before a fucking DAGGER!.

He passed on the gloves... You don't pass on the gloves if you're intending to go daggers.

He passed in CHT too... If I’m planning on going daggers, I would attempt to get that as well... He was just greed rolling that shit

And if a fucking mage rolled on it he should get it? Obviously not. Grenades wasn't supposed to roll on it either.

@@Kalervo80 He wasn't supposed to roll on it only because their leadership is retarded. A green quest dagger with +5 daggers is good enough to use with perd, and not rolling on gloves when you don't have daggers yet is just common sense.

are you level 17?

@@Kalervo80 All u gotta do is respect, and farm blues to take full advantage of the dagger. But a mage need to reroll a class.

I agree the rogue that rolled highest should have gotten it. This logic about 'he should have already had a dagger' was just brainstormed up in hindsight to justify their bickering and doesn't hold up to any analysis of the situation. I'm not even saying he was the best rogue to get the dagger. Obviously if they had a loot council and had all this planned out the other rogues would be in consideration first to get it. The point is they specifically choose not to loot council, and to do roll offs instead. It's inherent to the system when you do roll offs that the 'most deserving' player isn't always going to win the roll. Rolling is a trade off for simplicity - anyone that the item is an upgrade for fights over it and you get the loot distributed in minutes at the cost of it maybe not going to the person who its the biggest upgrade for. You don't call for a roll, then form an ex post facto Loot Council on the fly. Just honor the roll and next time have loot distributed by a loot council if truly you want to make sure the 'best' person wins it. That's what those are for. Asmon admitted the problem - Himself. He said he wanted to just do Roll offs because it's easy, but also wants the loot to go to the very best person it can, and he even said on stream he just hoped that players would self-impose loot council type logic on themselves, and not roll on things when the item is a better upgrade for someone else. That's ignorant and irresponsible as a leader. If the guild master wants items to go to the best choice then assign loot beforehand via some system like a loot council. He wanted the results of a well ran guild with good leadership, without having to actually lead it.

yellamokram 5 man dungeons? Lul

@@zuldo8577 5 man dungeons don't have any daggers that come close to dal'rend set which he is using ...unless you luck out on epic one

@@bmarkelj80 bonescraper from ud strat or scarlet kris from ah...grenades shouldve gone to ah before going to bank and scooped one smh

@@bmarkelj80 gorehound... also if he grabs this... can picket up OH dagger on AH no probs scarlet kris etc

Are you level 20?

Yeah. U can just hear the fat loser almost crying

Terrible thing, but wow always was like that, a group of m8 that dosent care about anyone in the guild.

@Millennial Gentleman youre 4 months late to the party, honestly i really dont care anymore. From what i remember peach is a dagger rogue who needs the gear instead of someone who wants to be a dagger rogue but didnt have daggers. Not really a cuck as well since the other guy had a chance to roll on a dagger earlier and didnt

Combat swords is best up until you can get Perditions Blade. Any rogue will respec upon getting the blade. This is a disgrace.

he did end up leaving the guild

@@EmperorReptile I figured he would because not only did they not honor the roll. They also labeled him a sword rogue when he didn't want to be one.

i would join Olympus 9

@@harold3345 I heard they have some strong leadership over there

My thoughts exactly... would they rather he used shitty daggers and affect raid dps or use better swords until he got actual good daggers..

@@illegalwaffel6435 Yeah, and to make matters worse, perds is a main hand so its literally the perfect dagger to get and then respec with, even if you have a shitty offhand that just provides stats. This whole thing is Asmon not understanding vanilla. Its not like you "choose" to be swords or daggers, you spec what the best weapons you have available to you. Which is exactly why there are so many more sword rogues in BWL, because there are no good daggers there, and you got CTS, maldath, and AQR just around the corner off of fankris only the third boss in AQ40, where as you go from perds blade all the way to pugio which is post twemps loot. GG Asmond. Usually people are too hard on him, but you totally deserve all the hate this time. This is one gigantic fuck up.

@TheFoozey The offhand doesn't really matter. The offhand weapon accounts for less than 30% of your total dps. Literally all it takes is a handful of scholo runs. That compared to being denied perds which is current bis is flat out retarded. You can arbitrarily deny loot for anyone that way. You're not getting x piece of gear because you don't have y. If its loot council, then that's one thing, but that's not what this was. This was a roll. No reason not to give it to him.

Disgusting, right? You play sword until you get a good dagger, and then you can also farm a off hand dagger in hours or buy on AH. And this disgusting rat man also McShit used that as an argument?

@TheFoozey No you moron. He could farm a 2nd blue OFFHAND dagger in the next hours/days easily.

exactly

Definitely. This is dumb. The more I see of asmond, the more I despise him.

Asmon does say it was his fault, honestly peach is dagger spec, he should of got the dagger. nades past on the gloves? Why would you do that if you wanted to go daggers? Sometimes people should think about the bigger picture then just rolling because it’s an epic.

@@R3ggz All of that is irrelevant because Peach didn't win the roll and there is no loot council. Asmon dishonored the roll, that's it.

@@johnbaca80 yeah ignore the fact that the guy was only interested in getting a shiny purple item and lied just to get it

My Vanilla guild was like a second family Classic is nothing like Vanilla at all.

That's the price you pay to be in the spotlight

@@sparkoceanic this, and people will do it anyways while shoving salt in their mouth with a fake smile.

That’s just false though lol

And McConnell sounds like a McFatty

Well, ever since he started raiding his guild people, watching the raids live, he has always respected the result of the roll. This was the first time this occurred.

Because they make drama for views.

Boldly, they sought the drama of Ragnaros

Content

@@hewhoentertains4859 Baldly LULW

In the words of the King of the Sheckle Goblins and the man Asmon aspires to be... "Content homie! Heh heh heh heh heeeeeh. What arm thing homie?" -Ice_Poseidon

This guy knows

Pretty much. Why the hell would they need to be dagger spec before getting the dagger?? Its so stupid.

@@BIGIFANDYELLOWCARD then I can roll on enhancement and caster loot as a resto shammy as MS as well? Why should I need to spec into another spec to get MS on all other loot?

@@sebastiansvensson9638 Not the same thing at all. Healing and damage dealing is 2 different roles. It's common for Rogues to start out Combat Swords as it's the better dps spec until you get decent gear and weapons as you can't really get good daggers before raiding.

@@Juztastic Its the same, its rolling for your offspec instead of your main spec. Like rolling on good fury warrior items when you playing off tank or something over other actual fury warriors

facts.

not when he passed on the gloves dumbfuck lol

do u not understand the basics of rolling, it’s like a warrior rolling 4 a bis wand lol

@@tyrone9180 are you fucking dumb

@@tyrone9180 Notttt quite that bad. Not at end but Peach deserves it. And if these were good guildies they'd agree. Daggers. Only a couple daggers in game. Perdition one of best. Warriors have infinite options. And Grenades is clearly just being greedy

@Specoli I know that feeling. I was offtank in Wrath at the start of the expac and the main tank alllways got everything first. He was the raid lead so he just got it. Once we got into ulduar he quit playing and left us with out a tank and I had to main tank with crap gear.

dude was a fucking rogue too wth ?

Because asmon understood the roll to be only those who actually need and will use it. Grenades shouldn't have rolled in his opinion so the next highest roll should have won it.

He plays Alliance of course he has no Honour

@@arthasmenethil4672 ??? an extremely famous and powerful rogue weapon drops and a rogue rolls on it. Where is the fuck up in that situation?

@@arthasmenethil4672 at this point in the game, that weapon is BiS for rogues, that alone should justify his roll.

@TheFoozey You're in every comment trying to justify that shit.. Are you Peach?

@Cosma Alex You got a war face? AAAAAAAAAHHH This is a war face! Now let me see your war face!

Like losing a dagger to a warrior lmao wtf is that

Rogue pre raid BiS is sword spec Asmongold was just ignorant to it

I think there does need to be perma bans rolled out for quite a few people based on how they do this loot.

No, you just don't play with that gold anymore

Crys in incel

​@@edithboozy1000 okay 8 year old.

RBn2 Oii Boiiz!! This man speaks the truth!

@TheFoozey Umm..That's actually pretty much exactly why someone would change. You are saying someone should gimp the raid by wearing shitty AH green daggers if they ever want to roll on a good dagger in raid? You wear and spec to what is the best weapon you have - then you respec once you get access to a better weapon if necessary. I'm not even saying he was the best rogue to get the dagger. Obviously if they had a loot council and had all this planned out the other rogues would be in consideration first to get it. The point is they specifically choose not to loot council, and to do roll offs instead. It's inherent to the system when you do roll offs that the 'most deserving' player isn't always going to win the roll. Rolling is a trade off for simplicity. You don't call for a roll, then form an ex post facto Loot Council on the fly because someone didn't like who won the roll. Just honor the roll and next time have loot distributed by a loot council if truly you want to make sure the 'best' person wins it. That's what those are for. Asmon admitted the problem himself - Himself. He said he wanted to just do Roll offs because it's easy on him, but also wants the loot to go to the very best person it can, and he even said on stream he just assumed or hoped that players would self-impose loot council type logic on themselves, and not roll on things when the item is a better upgrade for someone else. That's not how roll offs work - you roll on it if it's an upgrade. If the guild master wants it to intend go to the best choice then assign loot beforehand. He wanted the results of a well ran guild with good leadership, without having to actually lead it.

@TheFoozey I'm not sure the facts "obviously" led anyone to believe he'd just vendor the dagger. He was sword spec because he had good swords, but then a bis dagger dropped so he rolled for it figuring if he won it he'd switch to daggers. Since "switch to daggers" just amounts to a quick respec and running 1-2 dungeons for a blue off hand dagger (or going to the AH) its pretty reasonable to believe him that he'd do it especially when the first thing they say is this guy is dependable and has always shown up to raids for awhile now. I'd probably gquit if I always showed up to raids consistently and did what I was supposed to do (including passing on bis dagger gloves when there are 2 dagger rogues in raid like he did), then the GM basically tells me "Nope I don't believe you'd put in the 5 minutes of work I think you are just going to vendor this, so even though you won them I'm giving them to my friend instead"

@TheFoozey You're a hopeless ignorant...

@Zank Fappa thats kinda the point tho. would you give a BiS to someone who doesnt even have a shitty blue to use already? whats the thought process there? is the dude expecting to get 2 raid daggers in the same run and that they'll go to you over people already playing daggers? theyre right, the dude was clearly not invested in switching. as evidenced by him LYING about having that second dagger.

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Lol pussy

you pussie for quittin

Imagine quitting because of that hahahahaha

Damn man I feel bad for you, wish you better luck if you return

@@Crozbozy When a game become toxic with low life people like you people should quit . it's just a game and whoever fight for (in game item ) he's a LOSER WITH NO LIFE .

Because he's actually doing raids regularly. If you actually want a good raiding experience you have to play with people/guilds like Asmon

@@majstertheunlucky2272 false. You dont need to play with cancer endgame players to raid. Find a guild that's not full of immature fucktards

what do you expect from a person who is not capable to handle the least amount of effort .. i mean just look at the moldy lair

I thought he just kept it like that as a trophy but it might just be an excuse for laziness as well.

you know, there is maybe a ego, but you know what he doesnt have Shame, looking on how he begs for gold and depends on others :P

Funny af, especially now that he has TF.

And report his a$$

a good amount of rogues in my guild are dagger without any MC daggers and still getting good numbers

Sword rogues are the best when BWL comes out, the problem right now is that the best swords they can get is Rend or from the raid which warriors mostly will be prioritized. While in BWL there drops really good swords which makes rogues excel, the difference is that daggers are better in P1 but gets much worse when BWL is available. So yes dagger is better until rogues will be able to get swords to match up the damage loss

@TheFoozey You obviously live under a rock if you didn't get the reference. South park Joke

@TheFoozey We good fam. liked your fortnite montage

He passed on gloves which inherently make dagger spec WAY better, so he was passing on gloves he thought were "shit" and rolling on a dagger cause it was rare and cool. Peachpit 100% deserved it more.

It was a mistake in the heat, very common and poorly organized, mainly to that Asmongold has no classic experienced aside from what he has gained over the current live release. My guild had the exact same situation 3 weeks ago, Asigning class leaders who knows whats best for their class is the way to go who also talk to all the rogues in the raid and sets up a loot template to who gets what to make it as fair as possible as well as benefiting the guild and the raid as much as possible.

Vepse Gaming he passed cause there was players who already had daggers and benefit from that . But when he wants the daggers to go dagger specs it’s denied

@@ulisesroldan2955 Ok? You just answered the question, why would he PASS on gloves for DAGGER SPEC when he wanted to go dagger spec so badly? But then roll on a dagger which would help his dagger spec but also another rogues dagger spec even more? lol

@@ulisesroldan2955 He was not planning to go dagger spec and didnt pass on them just cuz someone else had daggers, the gloves were rolled of to people who where speced w/e. it's not a council and they dont have class leaders meaning there no set boundaries on anyone going it. And no he doesnt want to go dagger, he wants to get loot, and said he's going dagger spec specifically when the dagger dropped, and if he were he would farm gear for it. Also if he wanted to go daggers he would have rolled on the gloves like the other 3 rogues and wouldnt pass it to someone just because they have 2 blue daggers, and even if he did the person who already farmed the pre-bis for dagger rogue should have gotten it mainly because he put in time and effort to get the right gear while the guy potraited in the video just went with whatever he could get his hands of and waits for raid loot. There is in no way you can justify this guys actions because what he did was extremely rude, selfish and pathetic. He lied straight up to the Guild masters face and everyone in the guild ontopp of that infront of 50k people watching. This is the Typical loot whore that you see everywhere.

if you watch the chat by the end of the video he actually _did_ /gquit good on him, maybe he can find a guild that won't fuck him over now. to any LOLympus members reading this: i recommend you follow in Grenades' footsteps, because sooner or later this exact thing will happen to you. i guarantee it.

yeah classic loot in a 40 man is so toxic I’m so happy my experience went way better and I feel like I was rewarded for it. We had 3 perdition blades drop in the first 4 clears and I was luckily 3rd in line

He should've rolled on aged core gloves if he wanted to be daggers LOL

@@jaredblickenstaff9485 there were 2 people that also needed it right now and its drop chance is quite high. You get the low % drop and then roll for the high one or take kf no one needs it

The game is dead anyway by now lol

He was so thirsty for it. Cringe as a mf

TRUE

For real! Except me and you apperently