Imagine if Ibn Taymiyya or Ibn Abdul Wahhab said what Fakhraddin Al Razi said, these Asharis would never stop talking about it. Why can’t Asrar Rashid just come to terms with the fact that the Asharis don’t except the Qur’an & Sunnah as a proof? Why haven’t the ashari community addressed all of these quotes that were brought forth?
wallahi the two podcasts ustadh abdulrahman hassan produced against the asha’eera is gold. i’ve watched them multiple times and i’m honestly shocked; how can anyone attribute themselves as being an ashar’i? who holds such filthy beliefs? may allah keep us steadfast on salafiyah!
This event was beautiful. It brought so many brothers(even those who didn't debate) together to defend the athari aqeedah. Too bad many of them went ikhwani.
@@holdshiftt2run308 Ali and Hijab and their teachers never were upon the haqq anyway. Its their toxic dawah by lying, slandering and distorting that makes salafiyyah look bad. Just like how the Ikhwanis influenced to do khurooj like Yusuf Qardawi by controlling the peoples emotions.
Preserving Athar aqida guarded Islam in whole. To believe Qur'an is divine uncreated speech (Tawhid Siffat) of Allah preserves Sunni approach Qur'an defines ghaib/faith unifies Muslims on its perfect source authority, a complete religion! Mutazila view Qur'an is not authority or self contextual but by personal ignorance lead to endless divide and implies incompletion, a way shi'a adapted who say a final hebrew cave prophet arises with a full Qur'an in end times. Anyone with true akel puts Nakel first. Allah is all Knowing, ppl you're not!
@@misterbk1791there’s 2 people in the video asrar Rashid is only innit for a few a minutes. Who’s the other brother? Not abdurrahman hasan but the other brother?
If anyone is confused... Al-Razi in the 3rd option says that to take the text over the intellect, is bâtil - meaning it is falsehood to take the apparent meaning of the text and reject the intellect or make it conform to this. Al-Razi in the 4th option says that the intellect should be taking over the text - the apparent meaning of the text should be rejected - and the text should be made to conform to the intellect, by doing ta'weel. And if a conclusion can not be made through ta'weel, then one should do tafweedh - saying only Allâh knows the meaning. (which actually refutes his own position, because if only Allâh knows then this proves you can't take the intellect over the text - because then, the text would be superior to the intellect seeing as the intellect can not encompass the text. So the apparent meaning of the text is what should be accepted, whether the intellect comprehends it or not.)
النوع الأول أن نقول للكرامية انتم ساعدتمونا على ان ظواهر القرآن وان دلت على إثبات الأعضاء والجوارح لله تعالى فإنه يجب القطع بنفيها عن الله تعالى والجزم بأنه منزه عنها وما ذاك الا انه لما قامت الدلائل القطعية على استحالة الأعضاء والجوارح على الله تعالى وجب القطع بتنزيه الله تعالى عنها والجزم بأن مراد الله تعالى من تلك الظواهر شيء آخر فكذا في هذه المسألة نحن ذكرنا الدلائل العقلية القاطعة في انه تعالى يمتنع ان يكون مختصا بالمكان والجهة والحيز واذا كان الأمر كذلك وجب القطع بأن مراد الله تعالى من هذه الظواهر التي تمسكتم بها شيء آخر سوى إثبات الجهة لله تعالى وهذا إلزام قاطع وكلام قوي الا ان نقول ان تلك الدلائل العقلية التي تمسكتم بها ليست قطعية بل هي محتملة فنحن اذن يجب علينا ان نتكلم معهم في تقرير تلك الدلائل ودفع وجوه الاحتمال عنها فثبت بهذا الطريق انا متى بينا ان تلك الدلائل العقلية قاطعة يقينية لم تقدر الكرامية على معارضة تلك العقليات اليقينية بهذه الظواهر وهذا كلام في غاية القوة وعند هذا نختار مذهب السلف ونقول لما عرفنا بتلك القواطع العقلية انه ليس مراد الله تعالى من هذه الآيات إثبات الجهة لله تعالى فلا حاجة بنا بعد ذلك الى بيان ان مراد الله تعالى من هذه الآيات ما هي وهذا الطريق اسلم في ذوق النظر وعن الشغب ابعد -------- أساس التقديس في علم الكلام - المجلد 1 - الصفحة 117 - جامع الكتب الإسلامية -------- أساس التقديس في علم الكلام - المجلد 1 - الصفحة 116 - جامع الكتب الإسلامية
They tried to prove Allah's existence as a reply to the Philosophers using the language of the philosophers - this is someone who is just repeating what he learnt for his exams and he thinks he learnt something very complex which he should debate people on... LOL.....
@@ibmsulaymani so lets disprove that evidence of the ashaaira first which they use to prove Allahs existence. Because if they using methods of evidences for the qualities of Allah but those methods negate Allahs existence then obviously they need to hold firmly to the principles/methods of evidences which establish the existence of Allah. That must be the priority.
I had a video about Imam Mahdi with Rashid Asrar as the speaker, I never knew he was an ash'ari. How can you proudly say that you are a follower of Razi and such while they make such grave statements! I made the video unavailable immediately.
Sanusis 6th principle of kufr is as translated: “to hold on to ONLY the apparent meaning of the texts by the one not possessing sound insight/comprehension” Why he didn’t translate properly? Who is distorting? This was horrible. Shahid was doing a great job moderating the discussion. Plus he didn’t answer the questions of Shahid. Kept cutting him off
Al ghazali said that since the laymen cant understand the ash'ari Aqeedah then Allah reavealed to them "these texts that make them follow Tajsim wrongly" And some of your scholars cleary said that following what is apparent of the Qur'an and Sunnah is kufr. Lol, how can you follow these people ? Do you really want to meet Allah following such crazy statements?
The ahlus sunna do not make tafwidh or t3teel they accept the reality of Allah's names and attributes but don't go further than the quran and the sunna goes, we start where they start and stop where they stop. This differentiates them from the jahmiyah, mu'tazilah, shia and this, that and the third deviant group that take the aql as the golden standard (al asl as ustadh abdurrahman said)
This is so stupid. What if someone believes that Allah تعالى is everywhere and he uses the Quran ayah where Allah says «He is with you wherever you are» so how do you proof him wrong unless you use aql (logic) that this person is wrong?
Allah is above His ARSH, but by His knowledge, He is everywhere, He is - all- seeing, all - hearing. That's Salafi aqeeda. If Allah himself is everywhere, why did Rasul travel all Asmans to talk Allah in MIRAJ JOURNEY? Why do Allah descend to lower Asman every night? ( sahih hadiths). The slave-girl hadiths say - Allah is above Asman, and Rasul says - free her, she is muslima.( sahih hadiths). Quran 69:17- 8 angels will carry the ARSH of your RAB on their shoulder ( on qiyamat day). Quran 65:12 - Allah's knowledge surrounds everything. Quran 40:7- Allah's mercy, knowledge surround everything Quran 6:80 Quran 7:56 Quran 20:98 Quran 7:156 Salafis are on truth.
Even ayat is there - Allah's knowledge, mercy surround everything -Quran 40:7 Quran 6:80- Allah's knowledge surrounds everything Quran 7:156, Quran 7:56- - - Allah's mercy surrounds everything. Quran 65:12- Allah's knowledge surrounds everything. Quran 69:12- 8 angels will carry on them the ARSH of your RAB ( on qiyamat day). Why did Rasul travel all 7 heavens to meet Allah on MIRAJ NIGHT? Why did Nabi Mussa go to sinai mountain to meet Allah? ( if Allah is everywhere)? Salafis are on truth.
1 :30 - backbone of Ashariya is Fakrudin Razi, bujurih IBrahim Lakani? 4 :40 - fakrudin Razi book Taksis taqdis pag 172, Ibn Taymiyyah refuted him on this... Farkudin said aql comes first.
@@ibmsulaymani isnt that how salafis takfeeri works? Just one bid'ah and youre out of islam? You so called salafi are the one who desperately wants to influence younger generations to stop using their mind with your petrodollars. Ruining other muslim countries while kissing zionist ass
Mistranslating a number isn’t the same as asharis believing the Quran is created, instead of insulting others maybe try and deal with the points mentioned.
@@muhammadamirasyraf5728 dud you promote zionist bootlickers liek habib jifri, it was Salafis who did oil boycots and aided Egypt to beat israelies, cut them in half in 73 and cia backed iran in 79, even Salahudin fought shi'a first before beating crusades... if you have shame remove your comment and repent to save your deeds!
@@ibmsulaymanifirst of all, this video goes against the contract 😅 Ahsaris don't believe the Quran is created Asharis defended the religion from the fitna of the philosophers The salafi person was bringing up ashari point again and again when it wasn't part of the contract, diverting topics Was the debate regarding whether shaykh asrar is ashari? Shaykh Asrar stuck to the debate at hand and in fact has an open challenge to debate regarding the names and attributes of Allah yet it seems no one is ready for the debate from him Shaykh asrar is in his own level May Allah guide you to the straight path
It can be that (05:00 in the clip) yasir qadhi took from this to deny juj wa majuj and the rest of his explanations.we distort the meaning that what the ashaira do .NO WONDER THE DONT TAKE FROM SINGULAR NARRATIONS.
In debate, usool of istidlaal of opposition is discussed. He was trying to prove istighatha so ustadh gave him ashaira scholars to trap him in debate. These are techniques in munazra. Its not easy to do munazra. Crux was that there are only singletude narrations in favour of istighatha which is not a favourable daleel for ashaira.
@@abdoulkaremali4247 so in aqeeda there is no daleel? Quran sunnah is the daleel for aqeeda or fiqh. Thats the doctrine of ashaab ul hadeeth. The istighatha ahadeeth are singletude and weak.
@@osamamanan2723 I don't know how you got that from my argument. I'm saying Ashaaira don't use singletude ahaadith because it doesn't show yaqeen to us. but in fiqh, yes we do use it. Therefore, in istiqaatha ( a fiqhi matter) we do use Ahaad ( آحاد) Ahaadith.
@@abdoulkaremali4247 i was also speaking in context of aqeeda. The singletude narrations are not acceptable for ashaira but asrar says he does. Why is that? Because he wants to accept istighatha thats why. You are either ashari or not. And istighatha ahadeeth are all singletude and weak as well. I think it was a cheap tactic by Asrar lol.
why is the 4th option not spelt out in Arabic? The nakl is not rejected - it is interpreted because the nakl can never go against the the aql because or we do tafweeD - that we leave the interpretation to Allah.. this guy is lying openly.. did he use the word "distorted"? And why should we not leave the meaning to Allah? You are contradicting yourself - you are saying that we should insist on knowing the meaning . How would you know the meaning without the use of aql?
Fakhraddin Al Razi said if the text goes against the intellect then we do ta’weel, this shows that they the primary thing for the asharis is the aql and the naql is secondary.
Watch the whole debate, Sheikh Asrar Rashid destroys this guy, and when he is getting thrashed then he proceeds to try to correct the pronunciation of sheikh Asrar Rashid when he didn’t mispronounce it to begin with, they are confused children throughout the debate you can see sheikh Asrar Rashid answering everything but this other guy keeps beating around the bush.
There is a video called Sectarianism - Can we unite? With sheikh Asrar Rashid and other scholars of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah and they explain things with Quran and Sunnah properly, we don’t do takfir of anyone who follows the three creeds Ashaari, Maturidi and Athari but a lot of Atharis do make takfir of Ashaaris and Maturidis.
You're confused. Al-Razi said you choose the intellect over the text if the text contradicts your intellect. And that's clear because, if you see the 3rd option, Al-Razi says to take the text over the intellect, is bâtil, meaning it is falsehood to take the text over the intellect. The 4th option is choosing the intellect over the text and then finding a way to make the text CONFORM to the intellect. So you either do ta'weel or tafweedh. So the foundation for Al-Razi isn't Quran and sunnah, it is the intellect.
You cant debate with someone who wont change his stance no matter if it is a defeatist position or not. When you have one side saying I declare this hadith inauthentic therefore your entire history and madhab is wrong as was the entire muslim ummah wrong when they braught us islam up until it reached me and now I have the haq. This is a self defeatist mindet. This is a mindset of huge ego and we donot need it in islam. I pray that we can unite with the deviant salafi sect. Remember that the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'at are of the majority. We have scholars who we can agree upon the likes of imam At Tahawi, Ibn Kathir etc. Lower the ego enough to understand what the perspective of the kalam schoalrs is. Why did the majority of the Ummah defend islam using ilm al kalam. Would islam have reached us if ALLAH swt didnt give the the muslims the knowledge of ilm al kalam. We have to this day attacks on islam from atheist and frankly they make great points. These are points about doubts that are placed in our young muslims minds. Why do we get scared from these questions as if ALLAH swt hasnt given us everything we need to debate these philosophers and theologists. It is the islamic way that when you need guidance, you seek it from the experts. This allows for seeking help from a doctor when needing advice on health. This permits seeking help from a lawyer when needing help with a lawsuit. And when you need help with theological philosophy questions. You can ask the philosophers. As long as they can provide evidence using the Qur'an and Sunnah, there shouldnt be an issue. Do asharis believe that scholars are infallible. No they dont. Scholars make mistakes, you can still take the good and reject the mistakes. And out of the thousands of ashari scholars, there are going to be mistakes. I would say every scholar makes a mistake. So the mistake AR Hasan made was stating that there are ashari scholars who have made mistakes and therefore this means every ashari is now wrong until he denounces asharism. This is an absurd and frankly very ignorant and very arrogant statement. If he wants to refute specifically for example fakhruddin razi, honestly he doesnt have the qualification to read his books lets be honest. For a group that claims it is on the haq, how can you claim uou know whats correct without the tools to undrstand the apposing viewpoint. I pray that ALLAH swt guides us all and ALLAH swt knows best.
deviant salafi? Sir, before 300 Hijry, there was no Ashary-maturidy aqeeda,non -existent, no one knew what this deviant aqeeda was. All Sahabas, Tabeyin, tabe-tabeyin, 4 khalifas, 4 famous Imams, hadiths writers were all SALAFI. Imam Abu hanifa says ( in response to a question) - If someone says - I don't know whether Allah is above asman or on earth)- Abu hanifa replied - he is KAFEER, because Allah himself says about hinself in the Quran, Sura Ta- Ha, ayat -5- Allah rose above His ARSH. Majority is not a criteria in Islam. The criteria is - Quran - Sahih hadiths. Majority of world population is Non-muslim. What does that mean? Are they correct,on truth - - according to you? As if, Salafs before 300 Hijry were ignorant ( Naujubillah), only bidati Ashary- Maturidy are true? Was Islam imperfect before 300 Hijry? Quran 5:3- today, Islam is perfected, completed. Salafis are on truth.
It's one thing to learn philosophy, and it's totally different to practice it. And Ash'aris pretty much practice it,as they use it to define the attributes of allah.
Fakhr ud-Din ar-Razi will confront you Yawm al-Qiyammah on your decontextualization of his writings. May Allah guide you dear deviant. The rational arguments are not number one. The Koran and the Sounnah are the source of good and evil, and not our rationality. That is what every Ash’ari learns in the beginning of their course.
Fakhr Al Din Al Razi wasn’t the only one to say it, the aqeeda books of your scholars are completely void of the divine texts negate from Allah what he affirmed for himself. Here’s an example from your own scholar Ibrahim Al Bajuri. ويجب في حقه تعالى : المخالفة للحوادث ، ومعناه : أنه تعالى ليس مماثلاً ، فليس له يد ، ولا عين ، ولا أذن ، ولا غير ذلك من صفات الحوادث ، وضدها المماثلة . والدليل على ذلك : أنه لو كان مماثلاً للحوادث لكان حادثاً مثلها وهو محال .
Assalamu alaykum, could you showcase why the interpretation of ARH of the writings of the prominent founders of the Ashari creed (Ar-Razi etc) is incorrect? And could you explain to us how these citations should be interpreted instead? JazakaAllahu khayran
This is hypocrisy to it's extreme, you put in the effort to display your point of veiw on the Asha'ira and then you didn't even think of it to be necessary that you also add Sheikh Asrar's veiw on the topic? What kind of joke is this... who are you trying to fool, this is ridiculous i expected better from you people
Hassan Khan - Any religion can use that same excuse when their books are quoted. “It needs explanations and further contextualization”. Ya Akhi that statement will neither be accepted from them or you. Anyone can explain away whatever they want but they it’s hard for them to change the text in the books of their scholars
Here I am trying my best to eat my halal chicken and stay away from drinking alcohol, and these guys are debating things a million miles above my head.
Masha'allah my bro keep going and I ask Allah to give you firmness in islam and make you blessed with the knowledge of the deen insha'allah. May you become a lion of Allah swt.
Dont worry brother, islam is as easy as the bite you took if not easier, but these brothers (not abdulrahman), made islam seem hard. All you have to do is, 1) when receiving a text, look at it 2) believe in it 3) move on
@@samirdizco2759 then why is it Saudis formed on their own after sufi turkey went secular and Jordan rebelled? Why did roosevelt die after talking to Saudis and opposing Zl0Nism on a cruise? Why is it Saudis helped Egypt beat israelis in 73 and then cia backed iran in 79? Its the opposite if anything.
