Haythem isn't a bad man, he is like shay. He seeks a better future for all of humanity, but haythem is just a little less merciful. And he truly did love connor's mother as well
Captinbannana87 Gaming Still he’s a Templar and Tenplars seek new world order, Shay didn’t know this though, Heytham did know the true purpose of Templars
@@mr_boats and he crossed the line by killing Charles Dorian. All because he wanted to get back at Connor back at the colonies. Only for Arno to undo his mess as well.
What plot twist? He never hid the fact that he was always a templar. Remember the scene from the beginning of AC3? (where Achilles showed Conor the list of Templars needed to be killed as he took Conor into the Davenport house)
Haytham is a fascinating character, especially if you’ve read the book. He is… very broken. His father was murdered in front of him and he killed a man all in the same night, when he was 10. He was then raised as a Templar with Assassin roots and beliefs, trying to reconcile the two Orders for most of his life… until he found out the Templar who raised him also orchestrated his father’s death. Coupled that with the death of his best friend, the death of Ziio, and on top of learning your whole life was a lie, Haytham at this point has given up. He’s embraced the cold heartless logic the Templars adhere to totally… which is why he kills people so frequently. He just doesn’t care; he became Braddock. It’s also why seeing Connor pains him as well as fills him with a sense of pride. Haytham’s looking at the man he should’ve been, who is the son of the only woman Haytham ever cared for outside of his family. His story is heartbreaking and just… sad. Powerful, but painful.
Haytham was always a torn man. A cynic who desperately wanted to be a romantic. He would have died for what he believed in. All passion but no love. He genuinely looked up to Birch, but everyone on the Templar Order did. When the truth about Birch's involvement was revealed, Haytham took it the hardest. He went crazy. It was like the one thing he ever believed in was a fraud.
I really dislike when they put important dialogue in combat because it's such a pain to record well. I think that scene took me about 6 tries because something stupid kept happening and interrupted Haytham talking. But I agree, it was important and so, it was worth getting right.
@@byomkeshnarayan5639 There's a book called Assassin's Creed: Forsaken, written by Oliver Bowden, which is basically Haytham's journal and retelling of events in AC3.
Connor and Haytham always stood the best chance of actually bringing an end to the Assassin-Templar war and aligning their respective orders, because both Assassins and Templars make excellent points and could actually improve humanity by working together rather than constantly fighting. Order and structure are necessary, but the freedom to make our own choices and forge our own paths must also remain, a harmony of core Assassin and Templar ideals.
pretty sure it was elise and arno who had an actual chance, it was all ended by Bellec, it wasn't their ideals, it was hatred for each other that they can't unite.
@@mohdshahariar5833 It was ended by all of them. Arno's recklessness undermined Elise's moderate faction. If he had brought the letter to the party, he might have saved Mister de la Serre. If he had been more cautious he wouldn't have killed Lafreniere. Elise gave up reunification and allegiance for revenge. She destroyed herself as much as Germaine did. And neither of these two are popular, introspective or thoughtful enough to really bring about a change in the Assassin Brotherhood or the Templar order.
Haytham is such a character. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's steadfast in his choices. I love his sense of humor. "Oh yes, I wouldn't want to keep you from your *lost cause* ."
That actually makes no sense because Haytham wanted him shot after inciting the riots. Moreover, Haytham wanted Washington dead, so saving Connor (and thus resulting in Hickey's mission failing) made no sense at all. The book isn't canon, guys. When AC3 was made, Haytham was and is a pragmatic, cold badass. He holds more love for Charles Lee than for Connor. If he had, he would not have tried to exploit and manipulate as he did. Charles Lee truly loved Haytham like a father, though. Haytham sacrificed himself to save Charles at Fort George but tried to kill Connor. It's pretty self-evident.
fl333r Haytham does have love for Connor. This was stated in AC Rogue, in one of Berg’s Inspiration documents about Haytham. Berg said that Haytham’s death was to be blamed for his compassionate heart and love for Connor, and not Connor himself.
"You act as though you have some right to judge. To declare me and mine wrong for the world. And everything that I've shown you, all I've said and done should demonstrate otherwise. We did not harm your people. We did not support the Crown. We worked to see this land united and at peace. Under our rule all would be equal. To the Patriot promised the same. They offer freedom which I've told you time and time again is dangerous. They'll never be consensus up amongst those you have helped to a set. They will each differ in their views of what it means to be free. THE PEACE YOU SO DESPERATELY SEEK DOES NOT EXIST. These men are united now by a common goal. In time, it will lead to war. You will see. The people never have the power. ONLY ILLUSION OF IT. AND HERE'S THE REAL SECRET - THEY DON'T WANT IT. THE RESPONIBILITY IS TOO GREAT TO BEAR. IT'S WHY THEY'RE SO QUICK TO FALL IN LINE AS SOON AS SOMEONE TAKES CHARGE. THEY WANT TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO. THEY YEARN FOR IT. A LITTLE WONDER THAT SINCE ALL MANKIND WAS BUILT TO SERVE. IT IS TRUTH. Principle and practice are two very different beasts..." If you can see my mistakes, tell me about it to correct them because I'm not an English speaker, so...
Connor: "I thought the Templars had eyes and ears everywhere" Haytham: "Oh yes, we had until you started to cut them off" Like, "Thanks dad, for telling me I am doing a good job" lol
"Oh I am sorry, would you like me to come along and hold your hands perhaps, provide kind words of encouragement?" My favorite. Totally shows how sarcastic and ruthless Haytham can be.
Haytham, when everything is said and done, was a torn man. A cynic who desperately wanted to be a romantic, willing to die fighting for what he believed in. Haytham was all passion, but no love. When the truth about Birch's involvement on Edward's murder was known, Haytham took it very hard, in a personal and professional level. It was like the only one thing he ever believed in turned out to be a fraud.
@@jillreyerma7592 And that's why Haytham ended up losing whatever empathy he had on the first chapters: Everything he believed in was a fraud and his mentor was using him. It wouldn't be inaccurate to say that Haytham was suicidal.
It's a bit sad to see. Not only the Father and Son trying to murder each other but also that Haytham was the innocent little boy at the end of AC4 Black Flag. What would Edward Kenway think of all this?
Kaljath Panthermage "Jaysus, have you two lost your heads? Lay down your weapons, both of you." would probably be his first reaction. I think he'd be sad how Haythem turned out, and he'd be sad because he never got to meet his grandson, but ultimately he'd be mad at both of them for putting the world before their own family. He'd most likely think them both fools because of it.
Haytham was right. People act like they want power and yearn for it, but when they have it, they dont know what to do with it. Deep down people yearn to be controlled they just don't realise it.
I slightly disagree. True that there are people who want it and yearn for it but don’t know what to do when they have it. That being said, I believe that power corrupts all, no matter the cause. Those with noble pursuit will inevitably be blinded by the power they wield. They may want to free their people, but at the cost of segregating and/or exterminating people you might believe are a rival group or a problem, but are in fact innocent or less of a monster than you are if you have power.
@ulfberht4431 It very much comes down to the individual. Power corrupts absolutely if the person has no morals. Some can hold power and still maintain their morality and honour. Sadly, most do not. Many claim to be fair and just, but are quick to turn their backs when they have control, which seemingly leads them into a spiral. They spiral when they realise they have no idea how to use that power until they desire direction and purpose. A great example is Bruce Almighty, a man with nothing who gets everything and realises it's all too much and eventually realises that it's easier to do what he is told than to tell others what to do.
I agree more with Haytham's way of thinking than with Connor's ideology :C If I could choose, I'd like to play Haytham all the time, because he was more sober-minded, funny and appealing. It's a pity I had to kill him. To the last moment I hoped they will make up somehow. I am not able to think that Haytham was a bad man.
He was cold-blooded and cynical, but not a bad man. And as to the ideology, it is exactly as he said. The reason why the Templars are so powerful and easy to come by is because they take the world for what it is, and just exploit it. Assassins, on the other hand, just keep trying to change it, which is why they inevitably start to lose every time one of their great mentors dies/leaves. Without their guidance, the world itself defeats the Assassins.
++TheMega The Assassins fought each other for power as well, given the opportunity(like when Abbas repeatedly betrayed Altair). They just don´t get that many opportunities to be in power in the first place, so they have nothing to fight over. For the reasons I wrote earlier, the Templars always rise to the top eventually. And how exactly do Templars fail? The only time we see them fail is when playing the games(when there is an exceptional Assassin that is able to turn the tables on them for a while). However, no matter how many of them we have killed, in the next game, they always come back, stronger than ever. If that is not success, I don´t know what is.
So how is it the Templars are always winning until we come along to save the day? And after we save the day, the Assassins waste that opportunity yet again. Bellec in Unity said it best. "Do you think this is the first time the Assassins had to purge their leadership?" Look at what the Assassin leadership was like in Unity. That should give you some idea of what they do with power once they have it. They squander it, just like anyone else. The fact that the Templars betray one another is the only reason the Assassins even have a fighting chance. In the "present day", they have all but absolute control of the world. Even if they started fighting each other again, the Assasins still wouldn´t have the power to destroy them. Having petty disagreements and arguing with one another, because now, there is actually something to argue over. It is in line with how people in general behave, too. When the situation is dire, people work together out of necessity, but as soon as the threat lifts, all the disagreements surface again. Just take what happened after WW2. The Assassins and the Templars are almost identical in their fanaticism. Just look at Bellec again: "To save the Assassins, I would see Paris burn!" How many more like him are there on both sides? Just because we always play as the "good guy" doesn´t mean that everyone in the organization is the same. The only difference is that the Templar approach is much more pragmatic and practical. They don´t turn away from shady methods if they yield results.
Bruh he was a bad man, he’s the reason why Achille is moving with a stick and he’s responsible for many deaths, Tenplars always say they want peace like the Assassins but they want the New World order
To this day Haytham remains one of my all time favorite characters in any video game. He was immensely disciplined, precise, elegant and ruthless. The perfect villain.
TheMegaUzumaki there should be a game for just haytham about his childhood and how he became a Templar his history is very sad but interesting honestly I love haytham him and Robert de sable and Shay are the best Templars in my opinion
Something tells me that if Shay Cormac was around for this it would've gone a lot differently. He wasn't as ruthless or power-hungry as the other Templars, saw both sides of the conflict, and is also the only one who's been able to talk Haytham down (ie, not killing Achilles). I could definitely see him trying to reason with them both, maybe get them to warm up to each other as father and son despite all the spitball-throwing. Connor and Haytham are both technically right in their beliefs-- it's sad that their relationship isn't really resolved in a satisfying way. They don't even really have a good reason to want to kill each other, other than stubborness.
Overtime, Shay became as equally ruthless as Haytham for killing Arno's pa, rendering him an orphan and exacerbated French Revolution that overwhelmed far more lives than that in Lisboa.
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 I agree with that, though honestly I wonder why. It didn't line up with his character development at all-- the game's story ends with him showing Achilles mercy and trying to end the cycle, and then in 1776 he's murdering the head of the Parisian Assassins to get his box back (and implying he's going to start another war instead of just going back the colonies and dealing with Connor himself, by reasoning with him or otherwise). It was so ruthless even the Parisian Grand Master felt bad about it lol. I chalk it up to bad writing, because let's face it, these games are nothing but bad writing. They probably just wanted some kind of tie-in for their big new title and didn't think too hard about it. It's a shame; Shay was one of AC's more interesting characters, and they let him fall into obscurity without so much as a follow-up novel explaining what happened to him.
@@AC-th4ci I've had this imagination where Shay faces Connor and Arno. 1793, Connor hurried to Sydney Cove only to be surrounded by thousands of guards, all armed. Moving on to general melee attacks, Connor unleashed havoc on the New South Wales Corps. During his confrontation, he was level-headed and defeated thousands of opponents with his tomahawk, disarming and dodging attacks from many directions. He could strike with exactitude before his opponent could react, and subdued individuals twice his size. With reinforcements now closing in around him, the Native American assassin suddenly realised his physical prowess, speed and endurance were enhanced as though some mystical powers overtook him. He took care then to keep each opponent on the back foot by spreading his moves between them, and in this way he escaped major damage. By now Connor had drawn sufficient power to unleash special properties in combat. By trial, he found that he could not only dash in super speed, but his strength was amplified. And in those few seconds, he was able to dash from one to the next, vanquishing each in a single blow. By now he felt more comfortable in his abilities against foes such as these, and resolved to save this miracle of combat for stiffer opposition. After his fight was won, he heard sounds of grunts and gasps. His first inclination was to drop over a rail to the streets of Sydney Cove below, yet he noticed two guards patrolling at a farther balcony, and stayed his hand to look for a route that he might challenge them where they stood. He slowly moved to see Shay mercilessly punching and kicking a man whose hands were tied above him. An outhouse section stood to one side, its door ablaze. Shay left the man, huffily. From its roof he had height enough to run out on a wall and spring away to grab a wooden beam over the heads of the two sentries. As one moved away, Connor chose the moment to drop down and finish him with two slashes of his blade. The second stood unaware as he crept up behind and slashed just once. With them dead, Connor severed the rope that bound his hands, dropping him to the ground. “Qui es tu?” “What?” Connor wondered. “Who are you?” “I’m an assassin. Connor.” “Assassin? You appear to be a Native.” “I am. Who are you?” asked Connor. “Arno Dorian. I am an assassin or at least I was before the brotherhood banished me.” “What happened?” “It’s a long story…” “BRACE YOURSELF!” Shay shouted while sliding from a zip line. Caught suddenly off balance, Connor suffered a kick in return. Alone with space to manoeuvre, Connor got up and kicked him in the groin area sending Shay staggering. Shay attacked immediately, but Connor blocked and countered all of his attacks and he kicked Connor aside. He collected himself and Shay tried again, failed to land a good hit and Arno kicked Shay to the ground. "Who are you?" asked Shay. “I was trained by Achilles. Now step aside.” “Achilles? I should have known Achilles would never learn. In that case, you will make a good target.” "You joined the templars. Achilles told me you were once an assassin who joined the templars. Now you became my father's puppet." “You're the one whom the poor sod I killed in Versailles mentioned.” Shay sighed. “Killed? Versailles? Quoi? You? You killed my father?” Arno realised. “What of it? I wouldn’t just cry over a business that has been concluded, if I were you.” Shay rebuffed. “And you sparked the whole French Revolution and made me lose everything.” “You catch on quick, boy. You killed Weeks, Gist and James Cook." Shay recalled. "I have the foggiest idea about what you're talking about." "It doesn't matter. What matters is that I made a mistake in sparing Achilles. Die, assassin!"
@@AC-th4ci - - Shay vs. Connor & Arno - - Without recourse, Shay leapt at Arno and Connor. Shay's fighting style was as every bit as powerful and deadly as he was when killing the assassins. With plenty of anger in him this time, Arno tried whatever he could against the man who murdered his father. Although an expert fighter in the assassin techniques, Shay’s expertise and weaponry prove too much to cope with for Arno. Connor's rapid healing was a useful asset that kept him throughout the whole events from the American Revolution to Hawkesbury and Nepean Wars proved more of a match for Shay, but even he could not withstand the fury of the templar. Unlike other templars who were killed by the use of stealth, this one was to be facing each other in hand to hand combat. Unlike Haytham who held back for unclear reasons, Connor faced a templar who was willing to fight for real without hesitations. He released berserk darts from his firearm. Connor was gripped in the lash of the darts' effects. Snarling and growling, Connor chased Shay and Arno who avoided his blind rage. A misdirect hit from Connor sent Shay to the ground. Judging by the injuries, they weren't too severe as similar to Haytham and Connor, Shay could heal at swift rate. He dealt a hard blow to the possessed Connor, knocking him to the floor. As the effects wore off, unlike his victims who died, Connor went in a state of fatigue. However he couldn't afford to relax or get caught in Shay's hidden blades. “I feel nauseous.” Arno jumped in to cover Connor who was in a recovery state. Connor tried to clear his head from its contents. The French assassin took out his cutlass and the Irish templar took out his sword, both clashed. Arno vowed. “You will pay for killing my father.” “Killed him? I was doing France a huge service.” “So many casualties are lumping on my country, far greater than the last damage you did.” Arno reminded. “I was merely bringing order and balance.” Shay was not touched. Connor bounded to his side, recovered. Both Arno and Connor were formidable assassins with plenty of weapons and mystical powers to fight with, but Shay's unnatural strength and powers still gave him the edge in combat. As the three men battled, Arno initially remained on the defensive, blocking Shay's amazingly fast attacks, but eventually he, deciding to go on the offensive, followed the templar's movements closely enough to catch his arm and land a blow. Although Shay was barely cut, Arno had demonstrated whatever he learned with Bellec. Undeterred, Connor jumped in and beat Shay who sneered. “Achilles taught you well. You must have had a good teacher. And you can follow him to Hell.” From his rifle rolled a useful gift: a fragmentation grenade with a powerful blast radius. "Why? What have you got against Achilles?" "Achilles was always a failed mentor who murdered his followers." Shay pointed out. "Achilles may have made mistakes, but he never murdered his followers." Connor rebuffed. "Is it not murder to send ill-prepared assassins like you to their demise?"
I always think what would have Edward done if he would have been there would have he want, to help Connor to kill his own son or kill his grandson with Haytham.
To be honest I believe Edward would have tried to stop the conflict between Haytham and Connor. Because Edward would have loved his son and grandson to get along.
@@anakinvader578 Lol I can imagine that. However I believe Edward, would told them to put your family first. After all, Edward had friends and family. But when they all died, he knew that money wasnt the aim at all.
i had one better ...first and last word " i never wanted you" i was 5 years old and week after he offed himself and injured another 11 people in his attempt (sorry for my english)
@@AIRWOLF-l6g thanks mate.. i truly doubt that, but i have some days in last year or two when it is very raraly better then usual days (sorry for my english)
@@jacksmejkal1831 If you want to do something that will make you feel better, build a shelter for the homeless, orphans, prostitutes, victims of suicide attempts, domestic violence, human trafficking and help animals suffering from various forms of cruelty. Perhaps it might take your mind off the past.
Haytham only learned of his son's possible existence right after the Boston Tea Party, when a native boy asked Benjamin Church about Charles Lee's whereabouts and when Charles Lee recalled the time they went to check up on Ziio's village, burning from Washington's attack, then his subsequent confrontation with a young native boy that threatened him. Reluctantly, they also revealed that this boy wore a necklace similar to Ziio's and that, unfortunately, he wore an Assassin's robes as well. Haytham might've meant that he should've killed Connor the moment they met, perhaps in the prison, as Haytham was very conflicted. He loved Connor in the end, and it was that love that led to the Colonial Rite of Templars' annihilation.
21:39 how Connor acted here was very immature . It’s like a few missions back how he was talking about how great Washington was . If heytham would’ve told him then he would just not believe him without evidence . But now he had the god damned document in his hands . Ffs Connor
Love your videos! They're very well done and are of great quality! :D I have a question, though! Are you planning on releasing "Assassin's Creed III - Ratonhnhaké:ton?"
+Tiffany Tran I have been avoiding doing videos of the main characters because they would end up being 4-9 hours long and they're in every video anyway. However, I did do some edits of DLC main characters and Connor/Ratonhnhaké:ton might have enough solo footage in AC3 to warrant a separate video. I'll look into it once I'm done with AC: Syndicate.
+Sevvina Understandable! I'm sure these videos take a lot of time, especially with having to find every cutscene or the character... ^^" I appreciate the work you did though! ^^ Now, I can watch a specific character's scenes instead of an entire "movie" XD I'm glad I stumbled upon your videos (⑅˃◡˂⑅)
once i was playing that game the first time i was really bored and tired and i reached that cutscene where haytham and connor wanted to enter that building but connor had get a guard uniform in order to get in without suspicion and connor said:I'll find a guard who is off guard and take his uniform. haytham: Very well i will wait here then. connor: Of course you will. haytham:oh i'm sorry would you like me to come along hold your hand perhaps provide kind words of encouragement. i just laughed for five minutes straight
The templars in ac3 have good intentions but its always about how they did things and the low amount of ethics they had towards completing their goals they wish for people to have freedom but the way hathem( grandmaster templar) ruthlessly kills the people around him and the example he shows for how the templars do things is exactly why no matter the good intentions they had, they were still ultimately the villain and always will be.
Is Haytham Kenway a bad man? I don't know. It is certain he believes his duty as a Templar to be one to ensure the greater good of the people. Is it monstrous he treats Ratohn like an ally rather than a son? Hard to say. If I had a son I have never met until he was an adult - and his ideals were generally opposed to mine, how should I treat him? Should I let go of my beliefs - out of paternal sentiments for a progeny I have known about, but never met? Or is it monstrous of me, if I am at peace with the idea of killing him should the need arise?
Connor didn't respect him in death, called him as his father instead of a man of templar order. Connor was so naive, using the assassin order as a tool to take his mother's and failed master's revenge. Much like Ezio did to avenge his father and brothers' murder.
When I was a teenager, I found playing as Haytham boring as hell because I don't get what he's saying or the importance of his work, now in my adult years I finally understood and thus appreciates his view of the world, the templar idea of order and peace is indeed what we can see in the real world, the rich and the powerful always control everything, there isn't true freedom or democracy, because the powerful ppl will use their abundant resources to influence the public for their benefit, the assassins are simply too naive and idealistic to realize that greed is human nature, even democracy is created for the sake of personal benefit, their ideal world where ppl are fair and equal will not happen for humans, for AIs it could probably be achieved, but for us, it's impossible.
just a prof that haythan is old when he fought connor, at the start of the game he could literally destroy locks with his hands, but when they were stuck at the fabric, he coulnd do it
@@Sevvina Haytham's mother was a woman called Tessa Kenway. She met Edward short after he came back from Caribbean Islands. Edward wanted to buy a mansion and it was her job to find a goos Mansion for him. She died 1747 in London, England
Well most people suspect that it's because his mother had Turkish descent but honestly there's less likely a chance that they would've accepted him into the British upper class with such a dark skin tone. I read somewhere that the developers of Ubisoft made a mistake with the color palette for Haytham's skin and were probably too lazy to fix it. It's possible that he also tanned as he grew, afterall he spent his younger years travelling around.
Connor: Charles Lee is responsible for my people's suffering, I want revenge! Haythem: We didn't harm your people! It was Washington! Connor: GIVE ME LEE I loved AC3, but Connor is probably one of the worst assassins as far as common sense and brains go.
Connor before the robe was all about revenge But after the robe, he has assassin's perception. He doesn't want to kill Lee because he killed his mother anymore. But because he is simply a templar and a threat to his people. Connor hate Washington by not wanting to help him anymore. If he killed Washington, the damage would he worse than imagined
Thomas Hickey's comment at 2:05 confused me before Rogue. I did not understand what was meant by "getting them all", as if there was some Templar purge of Assassins in the 1700's we as players were not privy to knowing. But following Rogue it made sense, Hickey was referring to Shay's crusade against the Colonial Brotherhood with the Templar Rite.
(Frontier) Haytham: Infiltrate that camp of theirs and see what you can find. Connor: What about you? Haytham: Never you mind. Just do as I ask. (New York) Connor: You go I'll look after them. Haytham: No you go. Connor: Why me? Haytham: Because I said so! Now go! Typical father and son bonding.
