Assembling a Mopar A-833 Transmission | Redline Update #58

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Davin gets to work reassembling the Mopar A-833 transmission for our 1937 Ford Coupe race car. Eventually, this transmission will mate to the Chrysler 440 V-8 engine that we're rebuilding for the project.
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@johnscott2849 3 года назад

Battleship gray good choice since it weighs about as much.

@a.j.sgarage9637 3 года назад

Its like 90lbs lol

@datgamerboy123 3 года назад

New Mopar actually has a colour "Destroyer Grey." Seen it on a Durango once, and I gotta say, it looks amazing. That would be a nice choice of paint for the transmission.

@jeffplant3 3 года назад

Great work Davin. Great trick with the bearings. Like you say, that’s one big hunk of iron but obviously stood well over the years to live again! Fun to watch!

@dquad 3 года назад

Assembling bearing needles: Wars have been started over less

@organicmechanic1662 3 года назад

They might be heavy but they are bulletproof!

@joe-hp4nk 3 года назад

That's over his head, he said it's too heavy for a race car, he doesn't think race car need to be bulletproof.

@walperstyle 3 года назад

pardon my ignorance, but is this a 383 transmission? I have a 65 Chrysler, stuff looks similar but Its been a few years since I've been under my car. I need to rebuild a lot of stuff, just curious if this is what I have. Thanks.

@tx9cuda 3 года назад

@@walperstyle this is a 4 speed manual transmission.

@frigglebiscuit7484 3 года назад

@@walperstyle a833 4 speeds came behind all the mopar engines. bellhousings, input/output spline count and tailshafts were the only difference.

@stevedabbs4257 3 года назад

@@walperstyle yes

@michaelrini3654 3 года назад

I remember back in the olden days doing a clutch on my cousins 69 Road Runner! My cousin didn't know s___ about anything about cars so it was me!! On our backs with no jack this was the heaviest damn thing I ever did on a car!!! Didn't have a pilot shaft tool to align the clutch. That was fun! Said to myself never again. Later on I became a mechanic for 40 years & always had a rack & a tranny jack. Back then I was young & dumb! Also having the right tools is a must!

@358trucking 3 года назад

WOW! You took me down memory lane! I did the exact same thing. It was stupid of me to use my back like that! I’m amazed that I didn’t suffer for it for years! I didn’t have money for a transmission jack in those days. The things we did. I’m glad to know someone else did those things as well. Yes, that was one Hell of a tuff transmission but what a monster. Thanks again for the memories.🤣🤣🤣

@mikelaumaillier9271 3 года назад

Counter shaft is a taper fit into the front of the case not a press fit, also has a key in the back to prevent counter shaft rotation. Thanks for all the great videos. Regards.

@mikelaumaillier9271 3 года назад

I suggest you educate yourself in Chrysler A-833 transmissions. Maybe buy yourself the book written by Jamie Passon on the A-833. On page 47, it states: "Use an arbor to tap the countershaft to the rear of the case. This is VERY important. If it were tapped forward, the shaft will ruin the bore that it seats in. This is a special tapered press-fit (doesn't take a hydraulic press either) and it only take one time to ruin it." It is a very well written book BTW. Have a nice day. Best Regards - Mike

@everydaylifewithme5260 3 года назад

Super nice transmission never can go wrong

@demonic4774 3 года назад

the A-833 is one of the strongest transmissions ever made it's not as well known as some but is bullet proof in a race car application. it's one of the only old school Mopar parts that's still being made to this day it's still available as a option on cars and trucks

@RogerColglazier 3 года назад

Weeb

@tbd-1 2 месяца назад

Yeah, they did indeed have an A833 in an aluminum housing, most often found behind the /6. It was the housing of choice for the 4 speed/OD because they weren't particularly durable housings. My most recent find had a VIN stamp on it stating it was from a 1964 Dodge and long ago in a different era I pulled one out of a '75 Scamp so they were around for a while. Further on the A833 4 speed/OD mentioned elsewhere in this thread: While 4th gear retained the 1:1 ratio 3rd gear was changed to 1: 0.87 (one revolution of the motor was .87 revolutions at the tire). This worked by flipping the shift lever on the housing for 3/4 meaning when you went through the gears you went from 1st to 2nd to 4th to 3rd, still in the standard H pattern. With the lever reversed the shifter worked those gears backwards without changing the pattern. I'll be bolting one of those up in my '72 Duster 340 because my daily commute is about 25 minutes on I90 and here in Montana the speed limit is 80 out there. And I can use all the help I can get with the fuel consumption. (edit) And this one is cast iron, not aluminum.

@henrystuckrath2701 3 года назад

Back in the day we would use a wood dowel instead of old countershaft, but You always end up using what you got. Great videos!!

@TrancerGTR 3 года назад

It's good that there is someone with as much knowledge as you that wants to share it with others. Respect...

@lancedaniels 3 года назад

Thanks for posting and sharing. Nice to see the progress on the racing car!👍

@bigredracer7848 3 года назад

1.1K+👍's up guys thanks again for taking us all along with you for the great show

@lucasgusi 3 года назад

Really digging the assembly/disassembly videos. Awesome!

@mcbridecreek 3 года назад

I’m a carpenter and when you said, “I’d rather be lucky than good any day” I laughed. I’ve said that so many times building houses! Keep up the great work! It’s so nice to see a real pro doing his work!

@handyguy4814 3 года назад

The transmission ready to rock and roll

@isalmankhan1 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing Davin👍

@358trucking 3 года назад

Use the correct diameter wooden dowel when assembling the needle bearings in the countershaft THEN leave it in the freezer for awhile, your assemble grease will harden and it will be easier to slide the steel shaft thru the case pushing the wood dowel out and no needle bearings will be disturbed. Also, make sure you check end float after it is installed. Great video! Thank you.

@dennishayes65 3 года назад

Nice work David ! I’m glad you know where all those parts went !

@sonyhk3824 3 года назад

Well done guys, thanks 👍

@paullemay3218 3 года назад

Great progress. Thank you for sharing. 🇨🇦😎

@cwanyoperator9647 3 года назад

Good old trick for this bearings is using a rubber band to secure bits in place. Then its pretty easy. Also applying generous amount of grease helps holding it in place

@retiredafce3373 3 года назад

The truck looks fantastic!

@ccpgmike620 3 года назад

Yes sir one heavy piece! So that thing was made to handle torque from a 426 hemi or 440 wedge. But that's also what you got behind a HiPo 273 in a Dart GT. Imagine replacing a clutch in the parking lot behind your dorm on a Saturday. Been there done that circa 1974 :-)

@moparedtn 3 года назад

The 440 and hemi engines got the 18 spline A833; the 273 would have had the 23 spline. Very similar transmissions, but not identical.

@frigglebiscuit7484 3 года назад

@@moparedtn false, some 440s got the 23 spline. not much difference anyway tbh.

@rickwhitmire7933 3 года назад

Every time I watch this I see something so crazy and he makes it look so easy. Im going with thats not Hollywood film making. Big press does help. Nice work!!

@marcryvon 3 года назад

I heard many time before that you don't want to sandblast an engine because of the inevitable sand and dust residues. Then, why do it on the trans and ONLY clean it with air when he has a brand new parts washer !? I don't get it ! Done off camera ? Otherwise, Davin is a hell of a REAL mechanic. The best I ever seen, actually. 👍

@jeremydavis340. 3 года назад

He sprayed it down with brake parts cleaner after blasting it with air. Parts washer would still leave a residue and still have to be sprayed with brake cleaner which evaporates and leaves no residue

@robertwayne2004 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your build a friend from Canada Rob ✌

@mattwiltfong2626 3 года назад

Maybe I missed the video, but I’d like to know a bit of Davin’s back story. He seems to be pretty good at a lot of stuff. As always great content.

@biglightball 3 года назад

Yes please. I would watch it.

@bengo76 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing

@PRRGG1 3 года назад

Great job!

@ronlynch7744 3 года назад

Great skills Davin!

@deopersad2915 3 года назад

Awesome 👍🏾👍🏾 gearbox are not easy, but lest you got the gear to make a tool and a press to use , great looking forward to the race car going 👍🏾👍🏾🤙🏼🤙🏼

@rhekman 3 года назад

@7:05 As the great philosopher Axl Rose once said, "All we need is a little patience."

@jimdrechsel3611 3 года назад

I have cut an old broom stick for a shortened dummy shaft. Another method is to place the cluster gear with loaded bearings in the case and let it drop down until you place the main shaft in. Try installing the front input shaft with greased bearings onto the main shaft and secure it with the input shaft retainer. Then lift the cluster gear into place and slide the shaft in making sure you push against the dummy shaft and keep the needle bearings tight and in place. This method allows more wiggle room and alignment afterwards when you lift the cluster gear in place. I would recommend always screwing bolts into threads to protect them when you blast. If I was watching this as a first time user the fast forward is useless. Paying attention to the synchro springs is critical. A lot people have these rebuilt and have problems. The shifter falls out while driving etc. There are many things that can go wrong and doing it over again means lifting that beast out again. Mention the correct alignment of the tail bushing. Not installing the rear seal upside down. Do a step by step without fast forward if you want to help people.

@bnghjtyu767 3 года назад

I've rebuilt a few of these for guys in the past those are some of the strongest four speeds ever made from factory, other manufacturers use those Chrysler transmissions for different vehicles just real strong units.I forget what year but they had some improvements and some different shifter pieces. I used to know the the differences between them and some tricks for putting them together but I think I'd have to start all over again it's been so long.

@davidlong1786 3 года назад

You sandblasted the transmission? But but but the "patina!" lol GOOD really tired of seeing rust left on metal and claims it' makes it look "cool".

@brentjordan1844 3 года назад

Could agree more. I understand the look as a stop gap measure to preserve history of a special vehicle if you lack the skills or funds to get it back to its original condition.

@Thousand_yard_King 3 года назад

Me too, rust is not pretty or nice, only an idiot with zero taste would think so.

@jamieschinkai1267 3 года назад

Have you seen the truck he hauled that transmission in there with? Plenty of patina just a few meters away from the sandblast cabinet, and yes, from what i can tell he intends to leave it that way.

@1-shotslinger108 3 года назад

@@jamieschinkai1267 Cool patina means needs a fucking paint job !

@stevenkmcduffie6501 3 года назад

I would ask if you ever took a day off , but its never work when you do what you love.keep on kickin ass D!

@lanningcreek 3 года назад

Brings back memories of laying on dirt balancing that trans on my shins. Pushing it thru the throw out bearing, thru the pressure plate, loose clutch plate and into the pilot bearing. The Hurst competition plus made it fun. My profile picture is the car.

@ron5118 3 года назад

You make it look easy.

@onetransmission7871 3 месяца назад

Needle bearings are very quick and easy to install.

@marklawson9188 3 года назад

I handle these beast every day , tore 6 of them apart today.

@358trucking 3 года назад

Your very Blessed to be having that much fun! 😀👍

@MBPATENTS 3 года назад

Very nice 👍👍

@fedhater1 3 года назад

awesome...

@kurtpoblenz2741 3 года назад

Best 4 speed made during the muscle car era 👍🏻. Petty won A LOT of races, rowing that 4 speed 👍🏻🤘

@Thousand_yard_King 3 года назад

Highly debatable and dubious claim!!

@petersouthernboy6327 3 года назад

Velcro1167 - no, I ran Muncie M-22’s behind a big block and I would have given my left nut to run an 833 tbh. It was the best Detroit manual race car trans with the Ford top loader was also very good

@stevedabbs4257 3 года назад

Talk about Winners Mr. 4speed Ronnie Sox!!

@petersouthernboy6327 3 года назад

Steve Dabbs - and Herb McCandless

@GHP99 3 года назад

The Bob Ross of car builders.

@gregoryolson1782 3 года назад

Awesome

@davidsawyer1599 3 года назад

Thumbs up because it's an A833! The steel Lakewood bellhouse/scatter shield to mate it to was the ticket way back when. '71 340 Duster. Had a friend back then that could not shift that car?

@manuelduran2113 3 года назад

Nice job....lovet

@Friedbrain11 3 года назад

The A833 is tough as hell...wouldn't want an aluminum version as it would be junk in a year's time. I loved the A833 and if I could put it behind a GM engine that would be great!!

@isaakwelch3451 3 года назад

anything is possible with enough time and money

@frigglebiscuit7484 3 года назад

you can. the mid 80s chevy trucks came with the mopar 833 overdrive attached to a chevy bellhousing. the od 833 has a bigger input register on the bellhousing, but you could make a adapter.

@358trucking 3 года назад

It’s doable!

@lbh002 3 года назад

Nice.

@757warbirds 3 года назад

old school prostock transmission

@RigallDesign 3 года назад

Great project, thanks for taking us along, engineering within the limits of the era...are those left over parts on the table? ;)

@jamesrochester787 3 года назад

“I would not have wanted to tap that all the way down through there. That would have been a lot of engagement.” Oh my yes it would. Very well said.

@thehemiolds455 3 года назад

That would be a good resource for a heavy hauling

@TheSmartStar 3 года назад

Are you not concerned about grit from the blaster working it’s way into the bearings? I’ve always vapour blasted housings and cases as I’ve heard about particles being released from the metal as it expands with heat and ruining the expensive bits..

@daveboon5992 3 года назад

This is my COVID therapy 👍😎 Magic Although the high speed camera screws up my heart rate ❤️❤️

@overcastfriday81 3 года назад

You can reduce weight by using an aluminum case. Two problems are 1) it requires a bushing to add strength around the input and 2) it is not recommended at all in high torque motors because the case helps keep the shafts and gears straight. I have a truck OD unit that came with aluminum and I still purchased/converted it to an iron case.

@MrTrip3ace 3 года назад

Paint it destroyer grey like the new challenger and chargers are. Cool little mopar flare

@larryhutchens7593 3 года назад

Did you install the little woodruff anti rotation key in the end of the counter shaft ? Those transmissions were heavy but would handle the power of a race hemi. The Borg Warner T-10 was a modified BW 3 speed & originally designed to work behind a Chevy 283. Today there are a lot of modern tough 5 & 6 speed trans available but in the 60s & 70s they were not available. I have seen many Pontiac & chevies scrap a trans on the track. The super T-10 & Muncies were a bit better. There were bellhousings available to put the 833 trans behind chevy engines. The Ford top loader was quite durable also.

@deanprevolos55 3 года назад

Hey Davin, great video on the rebuild. When you install the shiftings rods onto the A833 trans, what is the order or sequence you use to get the shift rods lined up correctly before installing back into the car? A video would be a big help. Thanks in advance.

@thatguyoverthere531 3 года назад

Good old sticktion keeping the rollers on.

@m1dntlkgud 3 года назад

Had to show this to the wife......she always goes "why are you in here working in the dark?" Cant see in the blast cabinet with lights on.

@wackowacko8931 3 года назад

If anyone cares, the cast iron case A833s were used in mid 60s cars up to the early 70s, it is a C body case (long tail shaft with a shifter location at the back is for B bodies, short tail shafts were A and E bodies) and it was not used behind a Hemi, the Hemis used 18 spline input shafts, this one is clearly a 23 spline input shaft.

@joesmith306 2 года назад

The weight is the trade off for having a more bullet proof transmission, there less flexing and more solid shifting.

@dansmith-kd8wz 3 года назад

Stand counter shaft on end .. much easer to get bearings in.

@sdmoparmaninsd6713 3 года назад

Depends on the racing, you wanna go drag racing in the 70s with a factory style stick, that was what you used cuz it was beefier than GM or Ford offerings...

@Thousand_yard_King 3 года назад

According to whom? According to all of the race documents, the mopar transmission was only good up to about 385hp and only for a few hours where both the Ford top loader and Muncie transmissions could handle up to 1200hp for continuous use, so as I said, according to whom?

@sdmoparmaninsd6713 3 года назад

@@Thousand_yard_King LOL tell that to the guys running 6-700 HP through them with stock internals

@petersouthernboy6327 3 года назад

Velcro1167 - I Street Raced a BBC and I ate Muncie M-22 Rockcrushers alive. A-833 and Ford Toploader would handle WAY more power

@sdmoparmaninsd6713 3 года назад

@@petersouthernboy6327 exactly, thank you

@samuelprados4975 3 года назад

7:22 and that's what I call "advice"!

@animalcorvair 3 года назад

like the vw

@Ratridez 2 года назад

Just watching you pack bearing needle bearings , try using bel-ray waterproof grease, it's very tacky and works great for loading cageless bearings .

@Bangroma794 3 года назад

Good, Indonesia ❤️❤️❤️

@BenVanAmburg 3 года назад

God you are so experienced. I'm still just changing oil

@TBendez 3 года назад

Then you move on to changing lights, brakes, suspension components, interior bits and pieces, learn something about electrical thanks to a stereo installation or maybe auxiliary lights. Making sure you learn the "correct" way to do each thing, you'll soon get proficient at lots of them. Don't be afraid to watch anything and everything Roadkill, Roadkill Garage, Hot Rod Garage, and Vice Grip Garage related to learning what to do, what not to do, and what can be done in a pinch. Cars are awesome!

@animalcorvair 3 года назад

had one in my 66 dodge polara convertible rare car wish i had it back but had to change the clutch every 13,000 miles an that trans is heavy traded it to a friend for a 69 mach 1 i still have

@scooter1391 3 года назад

they did make them Aluminum bodys later and they blew apart when used for racing

@aldneypalone 3 года назад

hi Davin! if you come to Brazil one day. we will organize a lecture or a live mechanics class for motorsport lovers. let me know if you want to. Hugs. Mr. Palone

@karlsracing8422 3 года назад

It's way better than a Rock crusher. 150lbs

@rogjackson 3 года назад

Battleship grey. Davin sounds emotionally invested.

@somebodyelse5820 3 года назад

Y’all seriously need to do an assembly ASMR.

@blanchae 3 года назад

I would of painted it with a rust proof clear paint.

@ifixmycarmyself2502 Год назад

Yes, would have liked to hear all the cussin when you realised the front axle won't get through when the bottom shaft is already installed. How did you solve that one? removed bottom axle again or hacking in the front bearing separately with the front axle already in place? cut out of the video anyhow :)

@Oddman1980 3 года назад

Something occurs to me, seeing Davin throw these transmission cases and engines around. He must be a hoss. None of this gym-toned beauty muscle stuff, just real strength.

@ericneumann6017 3 года назад

What prevents those bearings from sliding lengthwise up/down the shaft when pushing through the new one, or getting jumbled up in there?

@358trucking 3 года назад

End thrust plates. Need to check end float afterwards

@justaguy8347 3 года назад

I'm taking the next few days off because I'm waiting for parts

@jimmybryan6760 2 года назад

Most circle track modifieds used three speeds back in the day before specialized transmissions came out. The lower gears were only used to get the car out of the pit area and up to speed. Was there a strong mopar 3sp available?

@bustbeel1 10 месяцев назад

No!

@harrisonbosley6812 3 года назад

If my memory is correct I believe they used that same transmission in the HD trucks up to 1 1/2 ton. Its been a long time since i was in Auto Mechanics class back in the seventies.

@mitchburk5112 3 года назад

No the 833 was only available in passenger cars and was an in house Chrysler product. Trucks used a 4 speed made by New Process Gear as did Ford and others. Both are built proof boxes.

@harrisonbosley6812 3 года назад

@@mitchburk5112 thanks for the info, I appreciate it. I know they were tough, I remember lots of broken Muncie tranny's in 396 Chevy's, I don't remember a broken Chrysler four speed.

@dennis2943 3 года назад

Did he sandblast the screws? If he did the screws are screwed now....

@revolutionday1 3 года назад

Love the fact that there's not some crazy intro on these videos, with squealing guitars or, "CLICK TO SUBSCRIBE!!" etc.

@Thousand_yard_King 3 года назад

It just goes to show you that those old cast iron body manual transmissions were built to last forever and we're basically bullet proof.

@mojunk19 3 года назад

Wish you would have went into more detail on the build. My trans is weeping from the side case shift linkage. What kind of seals are there and do you need any special tools to fix the leak? Can it be done in the car? 1974 Road RUNNER. any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for the great video.

@garryhatchett775 3 года назад

mojunk19 there are orings on the shift shafts. The side cover removal gives access to the 1-2 & 3-4 shafts. The reverse idler shaft has to be removed to replace the reverse shift shaft oring.

@frigglebiscuit7484 3 года назад

pretty sure you can do that in the car.

@nelyh1395 2 года назад

Is there a front seal? If so is there a pet number ….. I rebuild a 383 super bee and want to at least change the seals and notice some oil in front of the shaft

@mattshean1734 3 года назад

I watched your video on rebuilding the A833 4spd. is there a way to take 4th gear which is 1:1 and swap it for a 4th gear that would be .7?

@358trucking 3 года назад

Yes, the Dodge pickups used the same transmission but different gear ratios. 4th gear (or direct) is an overdrive ratio for the pickup truck transmissions but 1:1 for the passenger car tranny’s. Great way to lower the rpm if used in a passenger car application (as long as you don’t want to race).

@benjaminkent4397 3 года назад

Ive got an aluminum housing a833 right now on my garage floor. I do believe it's the overdrive version though that was available in the truck platform in the 80s. Still looks like too much work for my simple mind and I'm just gonna stick with my 2 speed slip and slide.

@timsager6153 3 года назад

Benjamin, Would you have the factory shifter for sale?

@benjaminkent4397 3 года назад

@@timsager6153 I don't. I was gonna go with a z shifter bc it was missing anyways.

@frigglebiscuit7484 3 года назад

they are weak af, dont even bother. the first to second gear spread is also HORRIBLE.

@andrewevans1658 3 года назад

Yes those are heavy but very durable. Aluminum cases create as many problems as they fix. The countershaft holes in aluminum cases have a tendency to become egg shaped . I have the GM cast iron overdrive version of the 833 in my 37 chevy pickup.

@michaelmichaelson8452 2 года назад

Back in the day when the A833 was developed the 413 and 426 wedge shelled the Borg Warner T10 4 spds, the max wedges only had 2 options for transmission a 3spd Manual or the push button 3peed Torqueflite Automatic. The A833 ended that. Also not the T10 was taken a beating from Ford big block FE 390,406s and 427s until Ford developed the Top Loader.

@davedocker1195 3 года назад

You could buy a light weight case. I had one best transmission ever. All chevy guys used them.

@petersouthernboy6327 3 года назад

I went through Muncie M-22’s like candy behind a big block. I WISH I had something as strong as the 833 back in the day

@txnetcop 3 года назад

I remember how heavy that monster was...

@eircmaquinas5538 3 года назад

Esse cambio equipo o opala no Brasil acavala marcha por brincadeira Falta os varões ai em kkk

@joselvaldez1835 3 года назад

Wich price do you have on this transmision work?

@Мистер_ЗМЗ 3 года назад

А резьбовой герметик при сборке не используете?

@whatchacookin1096 3 года назад

How much does it weigh?

@ronaldmoparornocar9590 3 года назад

I would paint it cast coat so it stays looking like cast iron. Every one I have done I painted it that way.... been playing with Mopar for 38 years and I have never blown one up from street car to 1,000 horse drag car it can take what ever is thrown at it. Everyone brags about their muncie stone crusher trans and I have scrambled a few of them sent gears through the case...