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Aswan Quarry #3 "Scoop Marks" and Stone Age Granite Quarrying 

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#scoopmarks #unfinshedobelisk #aswan
Scoop marks? Ancient quarrying marks that tick all the boxes of pre Iron Age quarrying marks and methods.
Also the "Unfinished Obelisk" is a mess, from before it was begun the many many natural fractures should have been picked up. I can't believe it was the appearance of larger later cracks that caused it to be abandoned. And even if so, which is very very doubtful, there were efforts to salvage an obelisk from it.
It doesn't make sense, there's no way no one knew before, or immediately after work began, that the whole thing was a waste of effort.
See, just because I don't follow the LAHT crew doesn't mean I am shilling for the establishment ;-P
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@leghunter9201
@leghunter9201 Год назад
A couple of things I've found examining the quarry - 1. Test pits around the unfinished obelisk are scooped horizontally in repeated undulating passes along the circumference of the pit between 1-1.2m, going to depths of up to 5m. The termination lines of these scoops are so sharp that they only could have been made by some type of a rotational device. It would be unthinkable for a person to leave such marks by pounding or rubbing by hand. These are unmistakable marks of a rotary device. 2. On the base of the obelisk there is remains of a scoop that runs from the top of the mountain all the way down to the obelisk base. Its length I estimated at about 9m but its width less than a metre. I'd be hell trying to fit a person in such long and confined space working hanging off their feet. Also, along this scoop are many sections where the stone is vitrified in the direction of force of whatever tool left these marks.
@pranays
@pranays Год назад
🤡🤦🏾‍♂️
@Mk101T
@Mk101T Год назад
I have seen those kind of scoop marks in ice cream , So it would seem we could conclude the stone was ice cream at one time . And the fact ice cream does melt ... so that would mean we could date those scoop marks to when ice covered that latitude . I luv easy peasy archaeological work ... so gratifying ;)
@JoeSevy
@JoeSevy 3 месяца назад
The hell of it is, that if you think about it, the "scoop marks" are indicative of a LESS advanced civilization, as are the megalithic blocks themselves. MORE advanced civilizations built with bricks, not stones. We see this reflected in biblical writings about the tower of Babel which specifies they used stones INSTEAD of bricks, tar INSTEAD of mortar. This was written much, much later than most people suppose, when the writers understood that PROPER building techniques involved the use of bricks and mortar. Pyramidiots (mainstream) are stuck in a paradigm where they can neither acknowledge the incredible feats of the megalithic builders NOR the transparently obvious fact that megalithic construction is simply a matter of practicality. There's SO very much effort required to dig a block of stone from a quarry, yet still much more effort to turn it into smaller more manageable stones. Acknowledging the technical difficulties of quarrying, transporting, and shaping megalithic stones is somehow "racist", while pointing out that doing so is a demonstration of primitive (but extremely motivated) building is also somehow "racist". Being members of academia, the one charge they absolutely cannot withstand is "racism", so they're stuck with promoting this ridiculous paradigm that megalithic building techniques are unremarkable and need not be explained. Think about it. Not one explorer has ever found a culture in the midst of a megalithic building project. Pay attention to the claims of the mainstream archaeologists. How often do they use the term "racist" or some derivative to use against their detractors?
@btipton115
@btipton115 Месяц назад
Obviously workers fit in those holes fine or else how could they clear debris… the rounded corners are hard to explain but a lot of the site has heavy weathering.
@adrienperie6119
@adrienperie6119 2 года назад
This is ridiculous. This is a viewpoint one can only have if you’ve never worked stone or anything close to a large project in your life.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
I reply with you are being ridiculous. They are a series of trenches. Tool and tool marks match. If you read the linked papers you’ll see all the other evidence.
@tanner1985
@tanner1985 5 месяцев назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded Maybe he is a stone mason!
@DS-lk3tx
@DS-lk3tx Месяц назад
If you've ever worked in deep sea oil drilling you wouldn't be impressed at all with 100k slaves digging up stones in the desert. I'm being facetious but humans do far more bad ass things now days. Our conversation even being possible is one of them. 😂
@toadyuk8391
@toadyuk8391 2 года назад
I generally like and agree with much of what you say. Having studied stonework, geology, archaeology and visited Egypt myself I do have a few comments. Like many things, being there and seeing it can help a lot as well. 1. I think a lot of the cracks on the great obelisk occurred from earthquakes since dynastic times. 2. They hauled multIple obelisks out of that quarry, you can actually see four such removals on the other side looking towards Nile. 3. The romans came and tried to cut parts out, badly. 4. Let’s all agree the Egyptians managed to remove the large obelisk, which I can see would have taken time but was clearly possible. How then would they lift it up, over the lip of the hole, across the quarry, over a large cliff then to the Nile ? Removing the obelisk I think from rock is doable, but I have never understood how they could lift it to the boats. But the way, reflect for a second, why on earth would you even approach this like this? Is it easier to remove a slab from a cliff face, or easier to dig it out of a hole ? It’s a serious question. I won’t go on, but just wanted to point to the fact that some of this is not yet understood. I have plenty of time for the stone grinding, using quartz of hard stone bowls etc, I think with good technique and experience they are probably possible. What I do not have an explanation for, and what I haven’t seen anyone tackle is the overcut in the base of the box. I have examined it myself, with microscope and torch. They were cutting with what appears to be a large circular saw around 3mm wide a slab from the base of a box, having already roughed out the box. They cut at such a speed that they overcut like you do when sawing wood at an angle, then backed off to cut straight. How is that explained ? Grinding by hand you will very quickly notice your deviation and correct. I have a few more of these examples which really are not explained by simple tools and techniques that I don’t doubt were used. H
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
I have another episode on Aswan that shows where the canals were made to connect the obelisks with the river. There is one about 50 to 100 metres or so to the west of the unfinished obelisk. On that side the ground quickly tapers down so removing that stone would allow for straight shot to the canal. The base of the raft assembled in dry season and obelisk dragged into it the the sides built around. When the flood arrives float it out. Alternatively rather than “lift” it it could be raised up by see sawing it side to side and insert sand or timber each time. Similar to how Wally Wallington raised his block. I recently posted a collection of videos showing large stones being moved. Having worked in lifting and rigging it is best practice to never “lift” something unless necessary. Move it up a ramp or with jacks but avoid lifting it off the ground as much as you can.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
In regards to cutting I have samples of it and with straight blade I created circular saw looking cuts because the ends of the blades wear out faster, turning it into a curved blade. Also because you are using wet sand it isn’t like sawing wood where you can blow away the sawdust, it’s quite easy to miss the mark and go too far, or have the ends of a long blade not follow your jig. Those those end cuts being like a circular saw. Try a piece of soft wood and rub a piece of steel back and forth. The middle will be deeper leaving the profile of a circular saw. Especially with stone the ends of a cut will have similar profile.
@petertaylor4758
@petertaylor4758 Год назад
I'm not a geologist,so you probably know better than me. If you looked at the cracks on the obelisk did you notice cracks on the ground around away from the obelisk, to come to that assumption? Everytime I cut a long straight line on wood, using a circular saw, I would use a straight jig clamped to the wood . I could cut it with my eyes closed, I just kept pushing saw to the jig If the Egyptians had fast cutting technology, they would of used something like that. The Egyptians were not stupid
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 Год назад
I'm totally unqualified, except digging in various gardens. The cliff face might not have the best stone. Might be different grade of stone. Might be cracks extending back from the cliff face. Either way the quarry is where the better stone is. Not sure why they wouldn't clear cut the cliff face back to the quarry - might be that each time they think "This'll be the last obelisk we do here, so it's not worth excavating all that rock for just one obelisk". You see that in a lot of (lack of) capital investment. Would you have to lift an obelisk into a boat? Would a raft of timber transverse to the obelisk be sufficient, or even get the obelisk onto a wood platform on the river bank, built the platform up into a basic hull to be towed by other boats, then excavate the river bank until the raft/hull floats off.
@Gecmajster123456
@Gecmajster123456 Год назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded so much BS in your video.. !
@elizap5274
@elizap5274 Год назад
Great video! I was kind of a believer of some of the crazier theories out there, but seeing you actually testing out your hypotheses is much more evidence than those theorists ever offer! I respect your methods! I'm sure there might be some flaws in your suggestions but as you said, they had generations to perfect these skills... If I had the money I'd love to invest in a large scale project to attempt to replicate these methods, see what we could achieve today!
@petem7118
@petem7118 10 месяцев назад
This is a video from a stone mason who has done so many videos showing how easy it is to do this Egyptian stone work with the tools that we know they used from what has been dug up and is in the Cairo museums…… it’s very straightforward and simple to do….. people often say why didn’t they evolve their tools over a thousand years etc…. Answer is … why when what you have works….. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_fIigpabcz4.htmlsi=dsb2UwJUMg2fAKCV
@Slipperygecko390
@Slipperygecko390 Год назад
Yeah mate love it. When ever someone mentions that they can't have moved them, just remind them that the largest finished obelisk in the world has been moved all the way to Rome and stood up and it's still there. Having it on rope explains the groves too, hang the rock on a rope and then use a stick as a handle to swing. Keeps the weight on the rope and the stick gives you more power and less vibration, same as how the tools at a steel mill work.
@timpitts9256
@timpitts9256 2 года назад
Thank You! It was fun to think this was lost high tech, but much more satisfying to know the truth.
@Chris.Davies
@Chris.Davies 2 года назад
Was it really "fun" to imagine the total failure of the scientific method? Was it really "fun" to imagine tens of thousands of scientists as conspiratorial liars and con men? Was it really "fun" to listen to the incomprehensible lies and sales pitches of the scumbags who sell that garbage?
@rosifervincent9481
@rosifervincent9481 2 года назад
@@stormwater23 I think you two might be on the same side. You might want to reread his comment.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
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@timpitts9256
@timpitts9256 2 года назад
@@rosifervincent9481 Indeed, thank you
@CardGamesTV1
@CardGamesTV1 Год назад
It is high technology being used
@danielpaulson8838
@danielpaulson8838 2 года назад
I would like to add in a potential and very viable element. They did this work with tens of thousands of people over many generations where this was their life. I imagine people in some area's working with their best tools at an exhausting pace for a short time, then set down the tool and rotate out with a fresh worker. Like a bicycle pace line. The work gets done at a much faster pace yet workers rotate in and out and stay fresh. They are also incredibly fit. This is what they many of them do for a living. That's what I would do if those were my resources. One tool with more power. Add more tools and many more workers and this becomes reasonable work. It is something that many modern humans can't fathom. Hard physical work, almost every day of your life.
@btipton115
@btipton115 Месяц назад
Cutting wouldn’t take very long… they could probably clear that ditch around the obelisk in just a few months period.
@BrandonRoa-us4dm
@BrandonRoa-us4dm 2 года назад
Thanks for the video. You make great points about how the workers would have thought similarly to our modern way workers as far as laziness and corruption.
@gerardhilde01
@gerardhilde01 2 года назад
Excellent explanation SGD. Especially the rope thing. I thought the guys were sitting (French video I linked a few weeks back in a comment) doing it with their legs. But this is a much better solution. Thanks for this. Kind regards, Gerard.
@replaceablehead
@replaceablehead 2 года назад
When experts show the dolerite pounders, they're not saying that it is the only tool used, they're just saying that it is all that remains of the tools used. The idea that they might have made stone pickaxes with them, or swung them from ropes is not something that mainstream archeology is opposed to, we just don't have first-hand evidence, but it is not unreasonable to suppose that they may have modified to dolerite pounders in ways that made them much more effective.
@megamond
@megamond 2 года назад
Precisely. What did Petrie find whilst excavating the obelisk in Aswan?
@Simon-fm8yc
@Simon-fm8yc 2 года назад
Good work here and great explanations. I'm convinced that they would have used many of the techniques you have described.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Thanks. I’d reckon they had it worked it, my older shorter feeble minded brother suggested maybe they even had the gang tuned in and timed their strikes. Singing work songs to the tune. Maybe even to make the work faster if the vibrations helped force micro fractures through the stone?
@holmavik6756
@holmavik6756 Год назад
I am a master pyramid builder. Having built a dozen of great pyramids, I can tell you that it cant be done with modern technology, nor with ancient technology.
@petem7118
@petem7118 10 месяцев назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_fIigpabcz4.htmlsi=dsb2UwJUMg2fAKCV
@patrickmontie9583
@patrickmontie9583 10 месяцев назад
It can and was. You can see the results all over Egypt. Ash found in the quarry gave them a clue as to how. They heated up the granite and this made it extremely brittle. So with their “pounding stones” they could excavate Centimeters per minute rather than millimeters.
@seandoherty-uw7yx
@seandoherty-uw7yx 10 месяцев назад
We built it to stop the impact of hundreds of miles wide metres entering plants orbit but something happened. Some people didn't want to stop the reset and sabotage sabotage was afoot on that day.. As the melted statues show signs of massive heat rays hitting the giant statues exsploding and melting in the granite. The so called "kings chamber" is walled on all sides with 20ton rose granit blocks and it's been pushed back in all directions by about 3feet! What force is needed to do that?. Something went wrong and the pirramid was plugged up. So we have shafts with blocks blocking the exit points. Blocks have two melted cables hanging down from the heat rays power. May be things would have different if that block wasn't there.
@JackTorrance333
@JackTorrance333 2 года назад
The forearms and shoulders on ancient Egyptian pounders must’ve been immense! Great vid bruv!!!
@motoman869
@motoman869 Год назад
There should be evidence in their bones.
@doesthedishes198
@doesthedishes198 2 года назад
I guess the way you would do the burning is with something that burned hot and fast. I would use phragmites the common reed. It grows in the river and the dry reeds burn fast and very hot. If they used that or similar maybe they would build a fire about the size of the scoop mark. I thought one depression looked like the shape of a puddle like someone dropped a lit oil lamp and the rock eroded in time.
@eoinmurray5396
@eoinmurray5396 2 года назад
Excellent SGD, great video....
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Cheers
@PizentuDeWind
@PizentuDeWind 2 года назад
So Ive been watching tons of videos lately on stuff like Egypt, pyramids and stuff to that effect. Ive gravitated to many of your videos because you try to give a more realistic explanation to how some of these Ancient mysteries could have possibly been done. Very good work on your end. A few years ago I came across a video that showed these "scoop marks" and I found it amazing. Its been something Ive wanted to understand ever since. A few minutes ago I was watching a video on stone carving where a guy took a chisel to stone a few times and after a few hits he swiped away the broken rock and there were these very similar looking "scoop marks". Its the same roughly equal spaced scoops that I saw in videos like yours showing this in Aswan Quarry. It even has the "ocean wave" appearance like on the right side of your video here at 8:50. To me, it seems impossible that it was created any other way than in a similar process to what is shown in that video. And that video wasnt even anything about scoop marks or Egypt at all. It was just stone carving. The video is on RU-vid and is titled "STONE CARVING with WAYNE FERREE (Part 1) Mike Haduck channel". The exact point of the video I am referring to is 27:48. Im not trying to plug anyones channel in your comment section. Just thought it may be a possible explanation that perhaps you would be interested in seeing and contemplating it.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Thanks Big fan of Mike Haduck channel. Will eventually get around to compiling it but have collected a lot of old masonry videos and photos. Comparing to traditional masons still practicing. Various tool marks and techniques.
@TomoReso
@TomoReso Год назад
Thats a good find, tho the marks of the antient times are larger, but very similar looking... It would imply also it was done way faster then previously thought, with bigger tools too. Still in stone carving video its done working around the edges, where the stone is weaker. Doing that on floor would be harder. This is the best explanation so far, id really like to see it more investigated.
@karlkarlsson9126
@karlkarlsson9126 Год назад
Is it possible that the edges of the scoop marks at the Obelisk have been soften with age? I can imagine water or sand driven by the wind?
@PablitoEscobar
@PablitoEscobar 2 года назад
The best part was the ropes to swing the stone underneath the "obelisk", so simple and so effective! GREAT EXPLAINATIONS AS ALWAYS!
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Lots of experience at being lazy, and whenever I could I’d get paid for output rather than by the hour.
@xg835
@xg835 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded interesting theory, but wouldn't they have to extend the rope all the time
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@xg835 not that often, there’s sideways movement before adjusting, but if you loop the rope over the top like a pulley rather than tie it off, and adjust by letting rope out without having to untie a knot or even stand up.
@Andreas.Pfisterer
@Andreas.Pfisterer Год назад
In general, I agree with almost everyone who says ancient cultures were more advanced than we are told. Unfortunately, there are also weirdos who immediately talk about extraterrestrial technology, so I think almost everyone. I have an important question for me. You can find piles of rubble everywhere, at every construction site, regardless of whether it was 1000 years ago or 6 months ago. Wherever something is dug, the waste has to go somewhere. Is there such a dump near the unfinished obelisk? Because if so, one could draw conclusions from the overburden lying there whether the stone was smashed, pulverized, liquefied or something else. If there are no spoil heaps, conclusions could be drawn, for example, that the spoil was so fine that it was dumped somewhere and to us today it looks like the surrounding sand.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
The waste itself is a useless resource. The dust/sand/gravel good for polishing . The old timers didn’t waste anything. The quartz could have many uses. I forget exact name at the moment but the temple carved down into the rock. They would sell rubble blocks for statuettes so shrines in surrounding my area could be linked to the temple. Even in old black and white pics of quarries they would screen the waste into different sizes and on sell for industry.
@replaceablehead
@replaceablehead 2 года назад
The thing about people who work in modern industries is that they get so used to using machinery and believing that their trade takes expert skills that they lose sight of other ways of accomplishing the same task using far less. I work in the automotive trade and I'm from a rural area where many people repair their own cars. Working in the auto trade in the city I've always been surprised by the belief that most customers have that it would be literally impossible for anyone but a professional to do any kind of work on their car, and thank goodness it keeps me in a job, but the other thing that is more surprising is that the guys in the workshop hold the same level of belief in their own skills and tools, and are often very bad at problem-solving and overly reliant on power tools. Just the other day I needed to tighten the serpent belt on my car, our head technician had a quick look and said "you'll have to take the front grill off to get to it", that was too much of a PIA for me so I just stuck a long pipe on the socket wrench and moved it a 1/89th of a turn at a time, which was a little slow, took a full 7 minutes, but it was easier than ripping the grill off. On another occasion I needed to cut a piece of 2" mahogany for a guitar body, I asked a group of luthiers if they thought I could do it with a coping saw, the way I saw it things, it was a one-time job, and how hard could it be. At first they all laughed, but then when I pressed them by saying surely with a bit of patients it could be done, they all began to didactically mansplain all the reasons why it would be utter and totally impossible. It took 6 coping saw blades, 2 hours, and 6 pack of VB. I've still got that guitar and I saved a fortune in bandsaws.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
😂 VB fixes everything My dad was a mechanic, trained in the old country on farm equipment. With a proper screw driver, shifter and hammer he could fix about almost anything. Add some old wire and electrical tape he could have started his own space program I reckon. Now it’s about replacing parts with a special tool that only works on those parts. The scariest thing are the harvesters and tractors that need software updates. Bad enough we are moving away from repair / fix culture but that it’s becoming built in a s just terrifying. If you can’t fix it then you don’t own it.
@simonphoenix3789
@simonphoenix3789 2 года назад
Peter Ranken I guess that explains why so many people are eager to believe that humans could not have accomplished these things in the past. We have it so easy nowadays with our technology that the idea of doing such labor seems unbelievable.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 года назад
People as you allude to fail to account for the passage of time. As you reference the auto industry. When Ford released his Model T it would be years before another model was made. Today we see auto manufacturers crank out new model cars every few years - sometimes every year = how?? Answer: by applying past technologies and lessons learned. So people attempting to rationalize "incredulity" - which is what pseudoscience/history is really all about - assume these objects began from scratch. The truth however is tombs or burial objects - or even objects of veneration such as statues - were being fabricated because of Egyptian religious beliefs. Hence there was a large economy built upon fabricating these things = one which built upon past techniques. So by the time of the New Kingdom when many of these "advanced" objects were created Egyptian craftsmen were using tools and techniques more than a millennia in development. Thus like you they had already "worked out the shortcuts" to creating things. On a side note. Egyptian society vis a vis the craftsmen might be viewed if you will as a socialist one. These artisans who created for the Pharaohs were given room and board as payment. Thus they had a house provided and a regular stipend of food and beer = allowing them to focus entirely upon their work. These were not random artisans working from their proverbial garages. lol! p.s. - many things craftsmen today do are based upon ancient concepts. All that changed is we developed newer tools to make it easier on ourselves.
@katadam2186
@katadam2186 2 года назад
@@varyolla435 Technique, Sone hedge row’s assembled in the US 200 years ago, Many had no idea how to stack properly, how they prepared the ground, what size and shape placed where, angle and overhang, fill stones and proper distances of tie in stones etc. All very simple once shown how to from a few English that still built and maintained their own
@luckygen1001
@luckygen1001 2 года назад
Thank you so much for your videos! I was a great fan of unchartedx videos but there were three nagging thoughts about his videos that would not go away. 1. There were no close up photos of the sabu disc, 2. Why is there no evidence of high tech machinery in the past to construct these relics in Egypt? 3. How could he afford all these trips to Egypt? After watching your videos all these questions were answered. Way back in 1972 when I was 18 years old there was a movie called Chariots of the gods on aussie television. It was so amazing to watch but looking back it is not a new thing to stir up peoples fertile imaginations about unexplained relics and how they were made.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Cheers
@jaredsulli1024
@jaredsulli1024 2 года назад
Sorry but no, the egyptians were not hitting granite with a piece of dolorite like monkeys, k.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Hitting granite with a steel tool like a monkey? Sorry but they were using pounders. This type of work was what people did, not so long ago people had to churn their own milk. No way, people weren’t churning milk like monkeys!!! Next I’ll tell you giant trees were cut down with an axe . Imagine using an axe like some sort of monkey. Civilised advanced people like yourself use chain saws. Sorry but you have no idea of how most people throughout history have laboured.
@btipton115
@btipton115 Месяц назад
Dolomites were just cheap mass produced hammers
@Neodymigo
@Neodymigo Год назад
Its pretty clear scoop marks are caused by cutter /pounder stones swinging from overhead ropes. The undercuts even use the edge of the stone above as the rope pivot point. The round pounders modern guides give tourists to hammer with are the won out discarded ones, and bouncing them up and down is NOT how to break rocks. Heavier stone, more velocity, sharpe edge, glancing blow….after you, your father, and your grandfather made their living that way, you’d know the best way to do it…
@btipton115
@btipton115 Месяц назад
If you think they cleared every granite block that way you are crazy… they cut plenty of big rocks with sheering and not digging trenches. So why would they use a slow method of throwing.
@btipton115
@btipton115 Месяц назад
Round pounders were just cheap mass produced hammers.
@burntorange70
@burntorange70 2 года назад
Very interesting stuff. Thanks for doing these videos they are very informative. I flintknapp and though not the same as working stone like this there are some similarities. Heat treatment of stone for better quality and workability is something we do. Granite does not flintknapp so we don’t use it but flints cherts and various other stones we do work responds remarkably well to heat. A lot of the time 400 degrees or less is enough. Some types take more but I don’t think any needs more than 700 degrees. Very easy to obtain with a wood fire. You just want to start out slow and get the moisture out of the rock or it will blow it up. But it is incredible what heat can do. Some materials I have heated went from mostly unworkable to very easy to flake. I have also played around with granite to make hard stone tools like ston axe heads adze and such. Though it does not flake like flint you can still remove material in a similar way with a softer hammerstone. You just have to have a basic understanding of the angles needed for the stone you are working and the striking angle of your stone hammer. Once the angles are gone and the corners of the granite becomes more rounded your kind of done but it is a quick way to remove mass that is not needed. Sorry to ramble but this is stuff I find interesting to think about.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
👍 rants are good. Check out Per Storemyr. He’s published a lot of fire setting especially fire setting and chert. I don’t think he has done any knapping though. I have some demo’s of fire setting on my experiments playlist. I wasn’t sure at the time but one of the stones I used was dolerite. It broke up easily with firesetting but unlike the granites it wouldn’t smash up into an abrasive dust. Jeez it’s tough stuff , I used the pieces as stone hammers-picks. Even after multiple rounds in camp fire it’s still hard as it gets. No wonder they were using it back then, even with steel as an option dolerite wouldn’t be a bad choice since it’s so freely available right there at the quarry itself. I do have some low grade flint pebbles and tried a little carving test on granite. It was cool to see it flake off and self sharpen in that way. Given we were using stone for thousands, tens of thousands, of years I wonder if it hasn’t built itself into our genetic memory in some sort of way. Until I began experimenting and learning by experience I never really appreciated stone. If only more of the people took it up and tried even for a few hours rather than getting their opinions from “lost technology”? I hope one day to be able to arrange a larger set of experiments in granite country.
@garybusey7625
@garybusey7625 2 года назад
Awesome work, man. You just took a giant STEAMER right on the heads of Brian Foerster and UnchartedX. Bravo.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Thanks ✌️
@thehighwaybandit6933
@thehighwaybandit6933 2 года назад
To SGD: You're wrong about the Tool, but right about all the other stuff. You have to take into account that some surfaces are flattened, including the Obelisk surfaces AND they are Fully carved* *The carving was Precise (how do we know this? They weren't digging huge Obelisks only to throw them away because a hieroglyph has one line instead of two...) To precisely carve any stone, you need SHARP tools and hammering/pounding...for a tool to stay sharp while processing stone AND being hammered it has to be of a harder material - so any type of strong metal or why not - any alloy. So if they clearly had hard enough tools to flatten and carve the obelisk, why would they not use them to quarry it? Sure, using Dolorite seems plausible, but it's just that - a plausible solution, not the most efficient one. Think of the Scoop marks which are STEPS, they have 90 degree scoops...which means some of these scoops have to have been CARVED somehow further after pounding with Dolorite, so if they clearly had the carving method available why wouldn't they use it? My point is, they had a slightly more efficient method of quarrying, and definitely they were CUTTING or even better - DRILLING somehow through - 100% manually powered no doubt, but way passed actual hand work...they wouldn't even imagine such structures if their level of quarrying would have been pounding...pounding gave us Dolmens, Mehnirs and so on, one room caves etc, but once Cutting/Drilling methods were found (LOOK UP DRILL HOLES IN GOBEKLI TEPE - ancient even to the Egyptians...), they went up to bigger projects. So not MORE PEOPLE =/= BIGGER PROJECTS. BETTER TOOLS = BIGGER PROJECTS...
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Experiments with flint tools to make hieroglyphs , relief carvings work great. The tool keeps a sharp point, self sharpening. Using the Egyptian stone masons drill I get 420 rpm and 15 mm an hour. Though the stone tools found there and elsewhere are sharp cornered. The rounded ones are used, initially the angular one were ignored and discarded. Not as good as steel but stone tools work great.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 года назад
You seem to overlook a critical variable = "dating". Also as alluded to these were not random things being fabricated. This was actually a huge industry in ancient Egypt whereby the technology and skill set was comprehensive and generational being passed along and improved upon continuously. Egyptologists have unearthed underground caches around Saqqara which contained mummified animals for offerings and as burial items - literally millions of them. That shows whereby there was a huge economy built around the fabrication of items for both the Pharaohs as well as everyday folks and which likely employed many tens of thousands of people throughout Egypt. Tutankhamun's death mask contained semi-precious stones which sourced from as far away as India and Afghanistan. Thus the Egyptians clearly had access to trade goods. So while Egypt did not smelt iron until the Persian period = they traded with those who did. Iron smelting goes back to the Mesopotamian and Indus Valley civilizations pre-2000 BC. So Egypt might not have made their own iron tools but it is still plausible they had access to at least some during the New Kingdom period - when you see those nicely carved obelisks etc. - though they likely would have been expensive and tightly controlled. Scribe accounts from Deir el-Medina show whereby workmen in the Valley of the Kings used to have their copper tools weighed to prevent pilferage of broken bits as copper was "a strategic resource" and access to it was limited. Anyways as noted quarries are in continuous operation fabricating things over centuries. This means they would have at any given time partially quarried stone or even completed items on hand. Hatshepsut's obelisk was recorded to have been completed in about ~7-8 months. As metal tools were tightly controlled - whereas gneiss stone would be plentiful - then to quarry basic shapes it would be easier and more cost effective for the workforce to use gneiss stone tools along with fire. There is evidence of fire use at Aswan to first soften the bedrock before hammering through it along natural seams using dolerite. Then once an obelisk is mostly fashioned and smoothed using flat blocks and abrasives = then the master craftsmen who used metal tools could go to work carving upon it.
@wompbozer3939
@wompbozer3939 2 года назад
@@varyolla435 Good response. I’m not sure why nobody has pushed this idea harder. Use fire for the rough removal then get your masons to smash it with pounders until you reach a closer stage. It really doesn’t make sense to pound your way to a concave depression to make it easier to remove the ridges. Has anyone done an experiment comparing random pounding with scooped pounding? That would be a great way to settle this point.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 года назад
@@wompbozer3939 Yes. Egyptologist Adel Kelany - who specializes in geo-archeology and Egyptian stone quarries - conducted at experiment in the past. He compared workers pounding the granite alone using dolerite against doing the same after lining an area with mudbrick and building a fire in that space to then quench it. Heating the bedrock first resulted in the workers being able to pound through it much more quickly compared to simply hammering upon the stone. The test was created based upon what they saw. At Aswan along nature seams in the granite there was the remains of mudbrick and charcoal. So that is evidence they used fire to quarry through the bedrock to obtain basic shapes which could then be finished using other tools and polishing.
@TomoReso
@TomoReso Год назад
@@varyolla435 Is there a video or any documentation we could find about it?
@trevorwesterdahl6245
@trevorwesterdahl6245 2 года назад
This was well done and well thought out. Agree that its more likely they had a large inventory of stones of various sizes and shapes to break up the granite. Particulary liked the explanation for the underneath scoop marks. Whether it was sticks and rope, we don't know, but that made perfect sense and its just natural they would figure out something like that and improve upon it. Suposedly there was a very large, or even several earth quakes that added most of those cracks long after the work stopped. However, still trying to figure out how they could lift and move such a large rediculously heavy object. Don't really buy most common explanations. Just suspect there is somethig simple that still eludes everyone. NOTE: I am in the camp that believes the earliest work was by far the best work. I also don't see any plausible evidence on how they got that good that fast. After learning about Younger Dryas, I do believe their own descriptions of coming from somewhere else, after a major global catasrophe and they started over, but with the knowledge they carried from somewhere else. Too many signs that humankind developed stone working skills long before what is commonly accepted. For me, I simply don't see the build up of skills. Just like Gobekli Tepe moved history back at least 4,000 years. I think there is a lot more of that and I also believe humans were tavelling the globe far earlier than currently accepted. No, not buying the alien theories. Just think human kind has been much more able than caveman descriptions in school books for far longer than "history" describes. Good stuff. Truly. Thanks. Enjoyed it.
@karlkarlsson9126
@karlkarlsson9126 Год назад
The Obelisk is laying at an angle, perhaps intentionally for the reason to move it easier? So maybe sand was used to raise heavy objects? If one side is tilted, maybe sand can be applied and be removed back and forth until the heavy object is raised?
@LesterBrunt
@LesterBrunt Год назад
It is strange that people find it so unbelievable that slow meticulous work can do stuff like carving stones by hand when nearly all of us work 40 hours a week year after year. 5 years of bashing stones to create a megalithic monument somehow seems like a waste of time, an unreasonably long task. Get the same people worked 5 years in some office, what did they achieve in those 5 years? 5 years of typing documents and making excel soreadsheets? Somehow that doesn’t feel entire pointless to them, that seems entire reasonable, just 5 years of going to some place where for 8 hours you type documents so that a company can make money. But 5 years of bashing stones so that you can leave a monument that can stand the test of time that is just fantastical, how would that even be possible.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
Too true. Add up all the time people spend playing video games or posting pictures of their meals. Add up how many months and years maybe they spend sitting in traffic to get to the office. But building something that will last for thousands of years has to be finished before lunch break to make sense? Thinking that as they drive a long a road that was originally cut through a mountain forest with people uses mules and pick axes. Or crossing a bridge that took years and several lives to build.
@hoidoei941
@hoidoei941 Год назад
And the fun part is; the Chinese wall taking 2300 years to construct doesn’t seem to bother these people 😂
@njg26.gustav12
@njg26.gustav12 5 месяцев назад
I say you all miss the bigger point. They had to move it.... And stand it up.
@stahlmandesign
@stahlmandesign 2 года назад
I'm a stonemason and this is completely… believable. Especially if fire were used. I have ruined a piece of granite by applying a torch for 1 second too long. The grains comme flying off like popcorn (fire gives modern machine-cut granite some texture so it is less slippery when used for floors or steps). Torches were even used until recently in quarries for extraction. If you have ever made a campfire on top of stone, the next day you'll see it has cracked and flakes off. There are some mysteries, but mostly I think we just can't imagine people working hard. In doing stone work for restoration using modern tools, it still takes enormous time and effort to recreate the ornaments of the 1800s. But if there is money and motivation, the work gets done. The ancient sites across the world are evidence of motivation, and probably wealth.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Thanks for watching. I was always fascinating with stone masonry and last few years it’s been a big thing for me. Too old to retrain but have lots of fun with experiments using “primitive techniques and tools” on granite. At the very least I got a taste of the mindset needed, patience. At first I was checking every few minutes to see how much I had cut, drilled or polished. Very frustrating. Though once I got into it, kept at it and stopped looking for instant results it started making sense. Almost like a meditation, improve your technique to maximise efficiency. Let the tool do the work rather than try and force it so as not to get exhausted. On my phone now but I have a pile of old photos and footage I can link to you. Let me know if you’re interested.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 года назад
As Aswan quarry along natural seams in the bedrock Egyptologists have found the remains of mud brick and charcoal. They were lining an area with brick and building fires to soften the stone as you noted followed by their pounding through it more easily using dolerite. As to time frame. As I recall documentation from the period of Hatshepsut who was big on obelisks indicates they could fashion one in ~8 months or so. Their motivation was quite simply they were "salary workers" who had stable employment - though difficult to be sure - and who received food/beer/housing in exchange for plying their skills. Further it appears those skills were generational being passed down and improved upon. So sons likely followed their fathers in the craft as you still see today. Despite any hardships these workers likely enjoyed a life which was still above that of the average Egyptian worker. It appears there were 3 branches of what was an industry which spanned Egypt. You had the Pharaonic craftsmen who obviously worked for the Pharaohs digging tombs or building temples - or even making their clothes or jewelry etc.. There is evidence of people also working for the temples - read the priest caste. By the New Kingdom coincidentally tax records indicate the priests were the largest landowners in Egypt. Finally you likely had your community workers who fabricated items for use by the average Egyptian. You see in mummification as an example differing levels of quality whereby wealthy people were well done using quality materials - and then you see the "budget plan" ones. Then as now you got what you paid for.
@GermanGreetings
@GermanGreetings 2 года назад
And maybe in combination with acid, as `ancient architects` here on YT discuss it ? A friend of mine is a chemical university-degree... I made him `heat` today... and his ignition was nice to see :) He starts to work !
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@GermanGreetings Cool. Though I have doubts on that, my recent upload was on the origins of the stone softening legends, past 2 of that will be a follow up looking at the red acidic mud idea and other points that are mentioned in that paper. Though acid is used to etch stone, so it could be possible, I will bring up certain practical issues in getting stones to fit so perfectly with that method. Also what is described as "vitrified" stone and the sources for those claims. SPOILER: it's the Erik von Daniken crowd and people looking for Atlantis. Though will cover all that in detail in the video. cheers
@hamishbindrinkin
@hamishbindrinkin 2 года назад
Love your content SGD. Well reasoned as always.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Cheers. Appreciatec
@bobray7790
@bobray7790 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded this video was garbage go there and try pounding it out with one of them stones
@bobray7790
@bobray7790 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded also if they used fired where are the scorch marks? there is stone where the melted the stone looks nothing like this
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@bobray7790 I have several of my own and other examples of fire setting on RU-vid. There are no scorch marks. The spot can be brushed off. Virtually impossible to tell the difference by eye. Melted granite turns into obsidian (glass)
@bobray7790
@bobray7790 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded go there and pound out a hole then with one of them stones. also you do realize scoop marks are at all these sites world wide? all them pillowed stones are scoop marks. so your saying they did this by heating up the stone and pounding on it? world wide? at sites with zero pounding stones?
@sgt.cricket7365
@sgt.cricket7365 2 года назад
Great content as always!
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Thank you for watching
@JoeSevy
@JoeSevy 2 года назад
It's great that we can look up a full translation of Merer's record and see what it says for ourselves.
@pjqziggy
@pjqziggy Год назад
The "scoop" shape could be to hold the sand in place as they worked downward, that is if the addition of sand makes a difference. Fabulous channel. Keep up the great work.
@andrewbodor4891
@andrewbodor4891 2 года назад
Check on water channels out of quarry... they could have used water in narrow "pipes" carrying sand as an abrasive to gouge out those marks.
@LesterBrunt
@LesterBrunt Год назад
18 months is nothing. That is like a a somewhat large construction project, there is an old building just around the block here that has been getting renovated for like 4 years now. When they do the periodic renovation of the cathedral here it takes at least an entire year. In Amsterdam the construction of 10km of subway took SIXTEEN years. Yet we are somehow supposed to believe that 12 months of pounding stone is just way too big of a project, nobody would do that, that would be such a “waste” of time.
@flipinfish
@flipinfish 9 месяцев назад
Hey sgd I like what you do well done. There are to many folks out there only to happy to set alot of us on wild goose chases. Just keep the masses occupied I say and earning a pretty penny at the same time. Anyhow I wanted to ask have ever come across the "high technology😅" on how to remove the megalith mill stones in one piece, I am thinking it might be done in a similar way. If don't already know it look it up I am sure it will be more evidence of man and his own ability to high tech it's self without any mysterious goings on. Ps I am subscribed. Anyhow that said one thing Graham I believe is probably the best right about. "there is certainly a lot of amnesia where lost knowledge of how to and how it was done". Pps happy new year and all the best for 2024 ooh nearly forgot "scoop marks" you should be looking forward to the pulitza award for revealing that big old con. Fish out.
@SeanSullivanArt
@SeanSullivanArt 5 месяцев назад
Swinging the stones would cut the rope far too often. It also would not result in a smooth flowing scoop down the wall, acroos the floor and under the obelisk. The cracking on top of the obelesk is not cutting a smaller one out of the original. The obelesk was abbandoned due to cracking and that long crack up the middle has obvious drill holes for splitting. A totally different form of quarrying adopted by the Romans.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 5 месяцев назад
Would cut the rope far too often? The scoops down the wall and under are long continuous trench like. On the horizontal they are squarish. The undercut not from the famous unfinished but from another close by.
@GermanGreetings
@GermanGreetings 2 года назад
from about 40:00 min. on: What, if the Obelisk broke in `iron-age times`, when the old techniques already were forgotten ? I just ask, because the tools close to the broken line maybe already were different...roman tools and a wrong way of heating e.g. ? Thank you for your simply giant and clear thoghts, Sir !
@btipton115
@btipton115 Месяц назад
Scoop marks are simply quarrying marks… the bottoms of scoops are bowled and the sides are pretty straight edged
@noleftturns
@noleftturns 9 месяцев назад
Great explanation for scoop marks. Scoop marks were caused by a rock on a pendulum. So simple...
@simontufnell
@simontufnell 3 месяца назад
LOL good one
@histguy101
@histguy101 Год назад
You can pull a string taught along the length of the obelisk, parallel to what the pitch will be, and grind down to a certain depth, measured from the string, at regular intervals. Then you can join those spots together.
@jeffren70
@jeffren70 Год назад
What if the test pits were actually used to start the cut horizontal? It would be easier to chip the rocks from the side using your idea of sticks and string. You could use a larger pounding stone and accomplish more with less effort.
@machinebeard1639
@machinebeard1639 2 месяца назад
One thing that always seems to get left out is that Egypt was surrounded by water and jungle during this period. The available resources were different just for that alone. So, the fact is, that tools powered by water are a thing. Basic tools powered by water makes them power tools.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 месяца назад
🤣🤦
@machinebeard1639
@machinebeard1639 2 месяца назад
@@varyolla435 Looks like you've never heard of a water wheel or a windmill.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 месяца назад
@@machinebeard1639 Sure...... = just not in ancient Egypt..... So why stop there since you are clearly making it up = why not simply give them nuclear power while you are at it.
@machinebeard1639
@machinebeard1639 2 месяца назад
@@varyolla435 Sure, bronze age technology and nuclear power are the same thing.
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 2 года назад
Great vid and explanation.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Thank you
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded I'm sure you've watched unchartered-x's video on the unfinished obelisk and his theory on the scoop marks. In fairness, his production quality is very impressive but christ he talks some bullshit. His claims are outrageous. He obviously knows very little about working with stone.
@illnevertell9201
@illnevertell9201 Год назад
What did the geologist say to the archaeologist?? Don’t take me for granite!!
@SpaceDad42
@SpaceDad42 4 месяца назад
Was the geologist illiterate?
@ChrisH-v6q
@ChrisH-v6q Год назад
If I had to undercut the stone with the primitive tools they had, i would put the stone I'm using to cut against the rock face, then drop into the scoop marks, worn out pounders, until they reach the main part of the trench. Tip some dry sand over them, then place a short peace of timber, about 300mm wide on top, so they don't jump around. Sit on the timber with my back against the obelisk, then I can take a good swing at the last stone in the line. The shock will travel through all the stones plus i would also get a bit of extra force from the mass of the stone row im hitting. You can see this principle also works on vertical cuts as well
@Yamaha.ha.ha.ha.
@Yamaha.ha.ha.ha. Год назад
Maybe they heated up the dolarite balls and emptied loads into the holes. Left them to heat the granite and when cooled they removed them and chisled away the weakened granite. Or maybe they used the dolarite balls to roll the granite block on top of.
@timboslice980
@timboslice980 9 месяцев назад
I just can’t imagine a machine making such irregular marks. They’re obviously patterned but totally irregular. Every scoop is a different size and no shovel shaped tool makes different sized and shaped marks like that. Looks more like a few hundred shovel styled tools of different size. Honestly though I think it’s more like they chipped away jagged edges and then sanded them down. Heat Flake and pulverize, then sand flat. There’s an unfinished pillar at karahan Tepe, looks like the same technique roughly
@gerretw
@gerretw 6 месяцев назад
Perhaps they had several different scoop tools? Much like a modern backhoe has different size buckets
@michael4250
@michael4250 5 месяцев назад
Your pendulum would still have a very limited reach as the overhead shelf lengthened. Less than a tenth of the way through. Yet scoop marks are the same. Centuries of wood for the fires came from what forest in realistic quantities? Why no scorch or fire residue anywhere such marks have been found...anywhere?
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 5 месяцев назад
I show how to easily extend the reach including counter weighted end to keep it level. Very simple solution. Nike river vss as lley is fertile snd they ran ovens for over two millennia. Orchards and such. Also chaff snd dung fires. As I hee as he shown in demos myself a small fire for short time would do it. The same fires could be used for other purposes by workers. Scorch marks would be long removed by weathering. As papers linked testify there is ample evidence of fire setting being used across the quarry. As well as the work of per storemyr and fire setting being used across the world in ancient quarries.
@michael4250
@michael4250 5 месяцев назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded The angle from the overhang does not allow an ANGLE that can reach further than a few feet at most. Physics disagrees with you.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 5 месяцев назад
@@michael4250 do you practice to be so obtuse and lacking in basic problem solving? Stop making up fantasy problems to protect your belief system of “impossible”. With a counter weight on one side you could make the ram longer than any tree. It’s basic physics and a common solution so take your perversion of physics and problem solving and put it where the sun doesn’t shine. I am beyond bantering with useless nutters like yourself who need a mechanic to change the radio station.
@HeyHiHello90
@HeyHiHello90 Год назад
We found pounding stone so they must have used pounding tools. Have we been able to duplicate the marks found by using pounding stone? You’ve got people shoulder to shoulder creating TONS of dust and pieces of rock flying off and that’s how they dug out stone?
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
Any old quarry had lots of people shoulder to shoulder with dust and chips flying. If they use steel hand tools no one notices but for some reason using stone tools makes it unthinkable?
@HeyHiHello90
@HeyHiHello90 Год назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded I’d argue with more sophisticated tools (such as iron), you’d need less people so shoulder to shoulder wouldn’t have been an issue later on. Hard to imagine you’d get enough leverage to get underneath that massive obelisk with pounders as well, where we see those weird scoops funnel into a groove. How do we explain that? Also those boor holes to test the granite…how tf did they do that with pounders? Also, they have an area where you can use pounders and people have been going to town on that stone for at least a century and I don’t see anything resembling a scoop mark. For the record, I don’t think it was aliens or magic/magnets but I also believe the tools need to be proportionate to the work that needs to be done.
@chriskelly2939
@chriskelly2939 2 года назад
I like your work. I just don’t see all those workers in that tight trench. I’m not speculating any other method here, I just can’t see everyone in that trench
@ccoodd26
@ccoodd26 2 года назад
Need more laser measurements done on the scope marks.
@juniorballs6025
@juniorballs6025 2 года назад
Really enjoyed this, fantastically presented too 👍 Thanks very much
@coryCuc
@coryCuc 2 года назад
So at 33:16 you believe that they used rocks swung from sticks to dig down into the granite bedrock as well as to carve under the obelisk. Two things: 1. Have you seen the measurements of the distances between the raised impressions between the scoop marks all along the length of sides of the obelisk? They are all exactly the same distance between each other. That can't be done with people even if you were TRYING to create equal distances. Yet whoever was quarrying this stone wasn't worried about creating equal distances between the ridges. They were worried about quarrying the stone. Therefore, your ONLY explanation is that the hundreds of scoop marks, all equally distanced from one another, done with hundreds or most likely thousands of people are purely coincidental? 2. Look at the video (2:49 min or so) of the shaft down into the granite bedrock. Even IF you had a string with the hardest hammer or chisel (even using today's materials) there's no way you're going to have enough leverage and/or kinetic energy to create that shaft. It's just not wide enough. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oGppUrLI5FY.html I know you and I are pretty much best friends at this point :) but I would honestly like to hear your explanation of those two questions above. Apparently, this is one of the few videos I had not yet seen. Thanks!
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
All explained in the video Cory. Though your silliness has reached new depths such as that people couldn’t follow a demarcation line. I think you’ll find people are excellent at that type of thing in the real world. People are very very fussy about that type of thing you would have discovered if you had ever worked a day in your life. I imagine a lot of people will think you are a sock puppet made by me to make LAHT look bad.
@coryCuc
@coryCuc 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded I guess my expectations were too high that you could have any type of civil discourse. As they say, when someone shows you who they are, you should listen. It would have saved me 1 minute writing my comment. 1. It's not explained in the video, hence my question. But since you can't answer it, that tells everyone what they need to know. 2. Nice ad hominem. It works better when you at least know the person. But that's par for the course for you. 3. The only "sock puppet" is you. You had the chance to actually answer two simple questions yet can't. Sock puppet? lol. I have to admit, I did give a little laugh at that one.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@coryCuc all in the video Cory. There’s a section on the marks (two scoops) demarcating area each worker assigned as well as progress marks. Also several related papers linked in description by those who’ve studied in detail. You are allowed to do further reading, sort of the point in adding them. The civil discourse ship sailed a long time ago. Have you replicated my faked experiments yet to prove I am a fraud?
@coryCuc
@coryCuc 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded It's not in the video my guy lol. THAT'S the point. "Demarcating" people to an assigned spot DOES. NOT. GIVE. YOU. EQUALLY DISTANCED. GROOVES. Put 10 kids in a sand box and have them scoop out 5 shovels of sand and then measure the distances between the two. Guess what? They're not going to be the same. I mean, if you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. I'll just be here to give any passers by a dose of reality should they be pulled in by your nonsensical theories. It's the least I can do. P.S. I never said your experiments were "fake." You know my posts on your page better than I do apparently, so it would be easy to find where I said your experiments were fake. Secondly, I have yet to see you do an experiment that even remotely resembles the magnitude or complexity of the blocks/structures/sculptures/statues we see. I've long ago given up holding my breath.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@coryCuc kids in the sand box is very telling. Adults doing work and following string lines or paint marks, people bicker over invisible line down the middle of a desk. Even kids can make a goal line by using two distant trees and quibble over an inch if they crossed the line. Tennis players including amateurs point to marks about millimetres over the line. Not only can humans do that it’s a strong instinct. Children who can’t colour inside the lines are considered slow developers. I imported a clip showing just what you said isn’t there Cory. Then broke down the clip with stills. Linked the original in the description. You have the LAHT blindness. Yes you did call them faked. It’s why I remember you so well.
@Akimos
@Akimos 2 года назад
Is it too soon, to hope Matt from AA and SGD to do a collab? Maybe so, but I'm hoping and seeing great things in the future.
@TheMoneypresident
@TheMoneypresident 2 года назад
Matt is still on the dark side. Friends with Brien and Ben.
@Akimos
@Akimos 2 года назад
@@TheMoneypresident Maybe, maybe not. I think that Matt is an educated man, that can make his own conclusions of given data, since he's a rock-enthusiast by trade.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
Would be happy to do it. The fewer people believing in “it’s impossible” can only be a good thing. I missed it in the live chat but David Morley interested in getting a group together. Even if only a 2 week thing, tour of Egypt with some experiments with the group volunteering would be awesome. Though I would guess there’s be a lot of important calls from home to take once the first hour of fun wears off in that heat. Grandma always gets sick when there’s labour to be done. I knew one fella that had at least 3 grandmas die in one year alone.
@Akimos
@Akimos 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded Matt was mentioned at trips to egypt, you know what kind, last year. I do think that Matt as a geologist can benefit from your hands-on tests, as you can on his understanding of academic resources.
@4ur3n
@4ur3n 2 года назад
@@TheMoneypresident Matt has been putting logic above all the latest months that I have been watching him. He is doing serious videos now compared to the ones he did in the beginning. Definitely many light years away from Brien and the rest of the gang.
@kevinaalberts9251
@kevinaalberts9251 5 месяцев назад
It’s a giants hand skooping the soft material out!
@darrenfry4695
@darrenfry4695 Год назад
Whenever I watch anything to do with ancient Egyptian times I come away more clueless and seriously want to know more.
@sarahdawn7075
@sarahdawn7075 Год назад
I like to see a project that uses those stone pounders to carve an obelisk out of granite done today so we can see if they leave those scoop marks because Im not buying it.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
Well if you’d and so many others who don’t buy it might consider investing the time and money. Compare angular pounders with steel tools. You’ll find you won’t be buying that iron tools work after that. You only need make one “scoop” in reality. Try it with fire setting and see how fast it works. If you don’t buy this then you should be doubting quarrying with steel as well.
@Fox8ball.
@Fox8ball. 8 месяцев назад
Those aren't ctacks in the obelisk its just that the guy taking the photo's screen was smashed so when he took a screenshot we got this 😂😂😂
@karlkarlsson9126
@karlkarlsson9126 Год назад
Yet another amazing video, thank you! The idea of another smaller Obelisk is brilliant, and how you point out all the crack everywhere. Maybe they had plans for creating the biggest Obelisk and took a chance, thinking that if things fail they just chop it into a smaller one or use the rest for ordinary blocks, who knows?
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
Thanks. I forget the details but of the evidence but the general thinking is now the smaller obelisk began later times, Roman era i do believe but the details are hazy. World of Antiquity channel worth looking up, he interviews Adel Kelany who has done a lot of work on Egyptian quarries and especially Aswan.
@roncondon4679
@roncondon4679 Год назад
What is the significance of scoop marks. Despite how they were created, why are they there?
@dreamthread
@dreamthread Год назад
"This can be done in 8-12 months." Followed up with zero explanation or reasoning. What you're suggesting is the impossible.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
Links in description and throughout the other episodes. It can be done much quicker with fire setting. Saying it is impossible is without evidence and outside of reality. You haven’t watched or followed the sources I provided. Nor have you ever tried the smallest scale experiment. I have and did as have other people. It’s impossible to believe it’s impossible with a basic knowledge of the research, or with practical experimentation. Though since you are so sure how long would it take to carve a couple parallel trenches to that depth?
@Fox8ball.
@Fox8ball. 8 месяцев назад
I wonder if anyone has found any of the so called scoops blocks that would've been broken off discarded anywhere🤔
@Aaron751
@Aaron751 2 года назад
This is the first time I have seen the firing method mentioned. It’s fascinating. I still want to believe they used some higher lost tech, and I have lots of questions regarding their unbelievably high polish, accuracy, and tube drills. Thanks for the information.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
thanks ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XY6SUTPV018.html a playlist of my experimets with primitive tools such as copper and stone tools on granite, includes detailed how to videos on how to cut, drill and polish granite including using fire setting experiments that go into how to make your polishing paste. Polishing to mirror finish with a surface roughness of less than 1.5 microns. I could have done better but only made a small amount of the fine grit polishing paste. Don't believe 1% of what you might have heard. These are cheap, easy and fast to do replicating all the "impossible" without lost high ancient diamond technology. Including their presence of these tools and techniques in the historical record. Very soon will begin using these individual processes to make replica artefacts. I already have an instructional on making fine granite rings. Vases and sarcopahgi soon to come. Also I have many videos showing how the claims of precision and such are totally untrue since measurements have been taken, and even with only high res photography it is easy to confirm through distorted reflections and such that they are no more precise than what standard artisan stone masons have been doing throughout time.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 года назад
"Dating". To ascribe a given technology to something it is paramount you place it in the proper context. Ancient Egypt directly existed for ~2,500 years and then its culture continued on into the Roman period before it finally disappeared. Ancient Egyptian sites were routinely added to and/or cannibalized for raw material to build other things. So ask yourself something. Would a Pharaoh or later Vizier allow for say a temple built out of blocks with holes or saw marks cut into them?? Answer: no = unless recycled stone was being used owing to an inability to get new stone from the quarry and/or cost. So this means these markings you describe plausibly might have occurred at a later date when iron/steel tools were commonplace. Too many simply assume it had to be early kingdom bronze - which can do it as noted. Place the object in the correct period = then determine what tools were in use then.
@klgamit
@klgamit Год назад
I had a crazy thought about how to do this, don't know if it can work in practice, but what if you fill up the whole trench with wood, including small pieces of wood, make it as tight as possible and then water it? Would the expansion effect be enough to gain you a few mm a day let's say? Then the next day come back, add more wood make sure it's packed tight and water again..? Sounds crazy I know but just a thought
@dtanco
@dtanco Год назад
What if the scoops and protrusions were viewed similar to braille, possibly for navigation, it would be interesting if they corresponded with other parts on the planet allowing for slight variations according to latitude and longitude.
@JohnDelong-qm9iv
@JohnDelong-qm9iv 5 месяцев назад
When the supercontinent broke into seven pieces, extensive vulcanism caused the huge hardwood forests to burn. The resulting ash, when combined with sand and hot water produced “water glass”.The descendants of the survivors of the flood were able to shape the resulting sediment with crude tools.The first generations were “giants”The first dynasty’s made extensive use of soft rock to make sculptures and household equipment and of course the black sarcophagi
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 5 месяцев назад
Aswan is a granite quarry. Granite is formed by magma under pressure slowly (very slowly) cooling to create a unique crystal structure. There is no mistaking granite and such from waterglass.
@JohnDelong-qm9iv
@JohnDelong-qm9iv 3 месяца назад
I checked meta AI wich confirmed my theory
@efftaeger2258
@efftaeger2258 6 месяцев назад
Scoop marks are a basic in quarries. Just ask any stone mason that has worked in deep quarries. No need for round hammering tools. See this video of a modern Japanese quarry that leaves scoop marks even today. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Uc20dQXOmgw.htmlsi=k_AT3Tzv_VmqQCtY
@efftaeger2258
@efftaeger2258 6 месяцев назад
The regular scoop mark pattern is due to the cutting spacing of the blocks to be cut out.
@flamechick6
@flamechick6 Год назад
Entertaining. Kinda long winded in explanation. It seems like something is missing in the end. My perspective
@JoeSevy
@JoeSevy 2 года назад
Does the fuel for these fires just fall from the sky? Or is it delivered from an inexhaustible source at no cost?
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 года назад
A wide range of sources: dried dung, driftwood from the sea and from upriver in the Nile, desert shrub like trees like acacia, wheat straw, trees growing along the nile and in oasis not suitable for carpentry, branches and scraps from trees used for carpentry, etc. See for example: Smith. 2018. Fuel for thought: Archaeobotanical evidence of the use of alternatives to wood fuel in late antique north Africa. Journal of Mediteranean Archaeology. Bouchard et al. 2018. Fuelwood and wood supplies in the eastern desert of egypt during Roman times.
@JoeSevy
@JoeSevy 2 года назад
@@rockysexton8720 And what percentage of the country's fuel supplies would be used to heat rock? What amount of resources would be consumed in gathering fuel to heat rock? How far afield would they have to roam in order to insure delivery of a sufficient amount of fuel? Seems like no one wants to admit the difficulties inherent with any endeavor. They just sort of assume that whatever supplies would be needed are just there, the people to perform the labor are just there, the waste products of all that labor and fuel use just go away on their own, and on and on and on. Could the ash and pulverized stone mixture that would have needed to be cleared away on a daily basis been incorporated in mud bricks, plasters or some sort of mortar? The problems and their solutions is most of what I find interesting about the entire subject. Shallow explanations: "They just used fire." as though there were no logistical problems to overcome in doing so are irritating.
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 года назад
@@JoeSevy you asked a qeneral question about fuel sources and got a general answer. If you want more than that then I would suggest drilling down into the massive literature on various aspects of ancient egypt. Some of the issues you raised may be addressed in the bibliographies of the sources I provided. Or you can visit sites devoted to ancient Egypt and ask people with actual expertise in egyptology. There are a couple such pages on reddit where you can interact with people with training in ancient history, egyptology, ancient history, experimental archaeology, etc.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 2 года назад
Ah........do you think that the people ate their food raw??? lol! Methinks not. Ergo wood was being imported on a massive scale anyways for a variety of things with fires being only one. The Palermo Stone as but one example details how Sneferu ordered 40 boatloads of cedar be obtained from Lebanon and instructed that ships up to 50 meters in length be constructed. They were not using dugouts after all. Harder acacia wood which was used for their wooden sleds and construction was sourced from upriver in Nubia and beyond. Thus yes they had an inexhaustible supply as you say. Wood was a basic item for any community being required for a host of things. The Egyptians being a river dependent civilization maintained an active trade network with surrounding cultures. Consider Tutankhamun's gold death mask. It contained semi-precious stones which sourced from as far away as Afghanistan and India = ergo clearly the Egyptians were capable of obtaining items from a great distance.
@JoeSevy
@JoeSevy 2 года назад
@@varyolla435 So, you're admitting that part of the resources of the civilization was used for a purpose other than cutting and placing stone. How much?
@robertjahn8498
@robertjahn8498 13 дней назад
what is your opinion on the nubs?
@arashadjudani2478
@arashadjudani2478 2 года назад
As always, interesting hypothesis. Now we just need someone to dig an 8-foot deep trench using your proposed technique.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
You didn’t see the fire setting test? How about you build me a gothic cathedral? I don’t believe Chartres Cathedral was built with the tools at the time. You must invest the money and time . I am being sarcastic of course because I assume you are being sarcastic in asking for an eight foot trench. Why not nine or seven feet?
@arashadjudani2478
@arashadjudani2478 2 года назад
​@@SacredGeometryDecoded If I made the claim that a gothic cathedral was constructed by a certain method/tools, then the onus is definitely on me to prove that claim. In other words, the onus is ALWAYS on the person who is offering a hypothesis. In this case, I have NO IDEA how the Egyptians built these things, so I don't have a hypothesis to prove. You, on the other hand, DO have a hypothesis, so it's up to you to prove it. The trench around the unfinished obelisk is about 8 feet deep. I have no explanation for how they did it, but YOU do. You claim that the trench was created by copper chisels and dolerite pounders. That is your hypothesis, and it sounds good on paper. The next step is for you to put it to the test. Otherwise, your hypothesis is no different than all the other hypotheses out there. Will it cost time and money? Absolutely. But that is your challenge. In 1915, Einstein proposed the hypothesis that gravity warps space. It took a 100 years (a lot of time) and many billions of dollars (a lot of money) before experimentalists were finally able to test that hypothesis. You cannot be an armchair scientist by simply proposing a hypothesis and then declaring victory without experimental evidence, because it is the experiment that makes or breaks a hypothesis.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@arashadjudani2478 it took a very short time and a few dollars to test the hypothesis of drilling, cutting, polishing and pounding stones. We can give minimum cutting rates. The definitive statements of lost high techies that it was impossible. It’s been proven, if you are actually interested then it’s up to you to contribute something to a larger project. It’s the height of entitled laziness to demand others do your labour. Hiding behind “I don’t know” is a weak excuse. If you cared you could learn or disprove a hypothesis. Bringing up Einstein and comparing that to working stone is just ridiculous. The tools that survive and/or depicted can do the work and you can fact check the experiments. If you are not willing to accept the least bit of responsibility then you have to step up. You go carve out an eight foot trench. Time it and document it. Or at least contribute to the costs. You know, like an adult who claims to have an interest. Your mob was saying impossible with hand tools, and now others went to the effort of doing it you shift the goal posts and demand large projects be funded to suit your laziness. I don’t think so. The credibility of the “I don’t know how it was done but it is impossible with hand tools” crowd is dead. Though if you want to see a larger project then help pay for it, or at least be willing to get a few blisters and join in. Can’t wait to see at least one of you actually put your hands on stone.
@arashadjudani2478
@arashadjudani2478 2 года назад
​@@SacredGeometryDecoded The fact that I don't know these things were built is a sign of honesty, not "laziness". In fact, it seems to me that YOU are the one who is taking the "lazy" path by expecting others to pay for the cost of your hypothesis. Have YOU actually attempted to create a granite box or trench? I am willing to bet the answer is no. So why don't you give it a try and report back with your results. And for the record, I don't believe in the "ancient high technology" hypothesis because they also have not proven their case. Everyone thinks they know how these things were built, but no one has actually done it. Please share a link or website of anyone who has created a SINGLE polished granite block or even a small granite box using ancient techniques. Show me actual evidence of how the test pits were created around the unfinished obelisk. Provide evidence of any surviving copper saws that the ancient Egyptians used to cut stones. I will wait. Thank you.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@arashadjudani2478 I have done a number of experiments. Other experiments have done all the necessary parts such as corners. You are asking for larger complete expensive and time consuming jobs to be done so your point is bullshit. Let me know when you’ve done something. In physics experiments include a null hypothesis to show things are incorrect. If you don’t know but want to know put your hand up. Start with repeating what has been done and replicate it. Then you’ll know what can be done and how long it takes. If you are not willing to even do that then you don’t get a seat at the grown ups table. You too have a responsibility if you are genuinely interested. Let me know when you care enough to do something.
@nickauclair1477
@nickauclair1477 2 года назад
Good video
@seandoherty-uw7yx
@seandoherty-uw7yx 10 месяцев назад
Looks like ice-cream scoop on soft left out the frezzer too long ice cream. On some photos u can see the tool scooping out the stone was fixed to a movable point and worked by leaning out to reach behold the base point. Like I do on a ladder I lean the ladder to save me climbing down to move it along i can lean a long ladder up to meter left of right and thats what is happening here. It was cutting out stone at a rate unseen since this was done. We can't scoop out 6-7 grade stone like this.. No way
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 10 месяцев назад
Well you can scoop 6-7 stones as sandstone is higher than granite because it has more percentage of quartz. Mohs scale is about scratching and totally misused by the lost high tech people. If you couldn't make marks that look like they've been scooped granite sculptors would have a very hard time shaping stone. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j8L0X7Ms5Lc.html Scan through to see hundreds of scoop marks, when igneous stone like oya or granite is broken away it takes a scoop with it.
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 10 месяцев назад
Imagine rows of workers sitting down facing the surface of the stone. Each one has dolerite pounders which they as far up as they can reach chip away/"rub" down the sides of their assigned area in front of them - remember you can remove stone via "abrasion" as well as pounding/chipping. So scraping a pounder down -----> down ------> down in a methodical manner can also remove stone from the surface being abraded yielding your "scoop marks". p.s. - also remember that these marks are thousands of years old. So the occasional heavy rainfall which periodically hits Egypt cascading down the sides of the obelisk might also help to smooth those areas out over the centuries of exposure - in addition to blowing sand.
@ToddPalms
@ToddPalms 7 месяцев назад
So we’re supposed to believe they finished off the granite precision angles/surfaces and sculptures with those pounding stones?? Quarrying without precision with pounding stones is one thing, but creating perfection smooth surfaces and symetrical sculptures is just impossible
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 7 месяцев назад
Get the best modern hand chisels and you couldn’t do it. Then give an experienced sculptor pounding stones and flint and they do a great job. As seen in reality with tests Stone tools do exactly the same thing as iron, remove waste. Precision? That’s a lost tech buzzword and I have posted my own experiments the “precision” experts of lost tech said were impossible. The sculptures are not symmetrical. That is a huge lie they keep telling you along with the others. I have posted on that as well. Look at the statue with the magic lines and circles and then look for lack of symmetry instead of repeat what you’ve been told. Give it a minute and then you’ll realise that they have brainwashed you into believing buzzwords.
@ToddPalms
@ToddPalms 7 месяцев назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded there needs to be a modern day recreation of this then. Create granite objects/scultures pounded by hand into ‘nearly’ perfect surfaces/angles. Then I would be cured of my brainwashing, it would shut down all the myths and probably make someone rich if they make a documentary. I’d also really like to see a recreation of some of those ancient stone vases.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 7 месяцев назад
@@ToddPalms the granite lighthouses of Uk and Ireland . All surfaces meet rather than just partial fine joining. The other features just as angles and polishing are standard stone masonry. Modern masons who switch to ore iron tools do the work in the same way. They just need to adjust to the tools. Here’s a test. I don’t believe stone masons with hand tools built the gothic cathedrals. I demand someone else funds a cathedral with vaulted ceilings. I won’t look into practicing traditional stone masons. I won’t try using older tools and comparing to iron tools.
@ToddPalms
@ToddPalms 7 месяцев назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded I never said or meant to recreate megalith sculptures or an actual pyramid, the recreation can be smaller, especially the granite thin wall vases are a small project which traditional masons should be able to create rather easily according to you?
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 7 месяцев назад
@@ToddPalms I’ve already done tests and made pieces including translucent thin granite. They are posted including raw footage. Why is that others must do the homework for lost tech. Scientists against Myths and myself aren’t featured or mentioned anywhere by lost tech because it’s a scam. All those lost tech grifters are super censors.
@longliveliberty2257
@longliveliberty2257 Год назад
Cutting is not the problem. Removing and transplanting them is the problem. I think that’s the dynastic attempt to immolate the ancients.
@CoolRoof1
@CoolRoof1 Год назад
Thanks for the video. I've been considering these "scoop marks" for years - even decades. Then, I recently saw these videos on modern quarrying techniques in Japan: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j8L0X7Ms5Lc.html At about the 10:10 mark in the above video, the classic scoop mark shapes can be seen. They are a result of scoring the stone with a saw and the rock breaks in-between, often forming a "scooped-out" appearance. Yes, they used the diorite balls for certain things, but scoop marks are clear evidence of the use of sawing. The wall with the "scored" lines in your video confirms this in my view. It looks almost exactly like the modern evidence.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
Hello and thank you for the link. I had similar happen when drilling granite cores and popping them out. A bit gets stuck and comes out leaving a scoop
@beetweedledee
@beetweedledee Год назад
I'm a master tech engineer jelly donut maker --- it can't be done!
@faragraf9380
@faragraf9380 5 месяцев назад
the marks are square.
@JJ-wd2mp
@JJ-wd2mp 2 года назад
How do you use a dolerite pounder upwards? Physics makes it impractical. Also there’s practice dolerite pounder places that public have been bashing for 30 years and they have removed cms of granite only.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
The physics is fine. A good part of the video deals with that question. Sticks and strings. If anything that’s the best job to have when it comes to pounding hammers, you are in the shade and the rope holds all the weight. Mike Haduck has video of the Aswan blocks from years back and it’s much larger. Though banging a rounded pounder for a few seconds doesn’t mean much. The lost high techies should try it for a hour and measure the weight lost. Scientists Against Myths did, or compare pounder versus steel tool. Steel goes slowly as well but for some reason there’s no mystery with steel tools.
@megamond
@megamond 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded You criticise Petrie's use of "scoop marks", yet "pounders" is apparently OK, when they could all have been "hammers" - the remnants are what Petrie left in the Aswan quarry.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@megamond scoop marks is just a description, people use scoop to mean it was scooped out ice cream style. You are digging deep for something that isn’t there. Desperately digging for any little thing to grasp into but I would bet my bottom dollar you can’t link a video of lost high tech where you exhibit that same critical thinking. It just goes one way because you are rusted into a cult belief has has no evidence at all. From people who used to cite Mohs hardness when dealing with pounders. Quietly that and other claims of theirs have been dropped. Quick, cheap and easy experimentation can easily prove their core claims as false.
@megamond
@megamond 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded The trouble with extremists from either end of the scale is that they take any criticism as being from the other extreme. Matt from Ancient Architects (a Geologist by trade) is far more open minded. The History Channel and now the US Govt (smokescreen for secret aircraft?) regularly trot out "alien" crap - I mentioned prior "da Vinci/Herodotus... wooden machinery" - you mention hammers, no? Some of the highest precision space optics are made by hand on a turntable by a guy in Holland.
@megamond
@megamond 2 года назад
​@@SacredGeometryDecoded Just like the Scientists Against Myths wankers, Mike Haduck does very rough work in all of his examples and gave up uncompleted on a task he set himself on one of his biggest work pieces - EPIC FAIL, just like the wankers.
@AussoOnePlus
@AussoOnePlus Год назад
It takes 1000 years to cut and build
@bailtekey2213
@bailtekey2213 2 года назад
Have you been to Egypt? Can you get a huge block of granite and demonstrate your theory that pounders were used? As Chris Dunn says if that is how it was really done, then show us.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
A small block of granite is enough to work out the rates of removal and that has been done. It was done in Egypt too. Chris Dunn published the results of his “experiment” and it’s so far off its suspicious. I had a go myself in this video to compare angular versus dolerite pounders. So…. Though if I had a steel hammer? It removes material slowly as well so then the entire Iron Age must be questioned. Though Chris Dunn drilled a hole in granite with a top heavy crank handled drill and only got 0.4 degrees of taper. How about you show us how to beat the rules of physics and biology to do that? The hack fraud did it with a drill press and passes it off as hand work. Myself and others have done and posted experiments in how to form. Have you or Chris Dunn actually ever tested your claims. I have and posted them, doing what Dunn and co describe as impossible. The balls in your court now. Let me know when you actually do something and present it. In Egypt or anywhere. Your boy Chris Dunn is a fraud. He is running scared because he has been exposed. Repeat his “experiments” and see what result you get. You can’t demand the labour of others if you haven’t done a single thing yourself. Although it is a trait of lost ancient high technologists. They are free if any responsibility. You might want to check out my playlists section. I have a bunch of videos showing drilling, grinding, polishing and cutting. I even make my own abrasive. So there you go. What have you or Chris Dunn actually done? I put my stuff on the table, I wasn’t the first and yet from the lost high techies……crickets. Let me know when you or any of the lost techies are willing to get on the court.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
@@tilleryinnovations592 Incredibly stupid suggestion since stone masons and quarry workers used to work a long time to make things. It takes about half an hour to make a scoop mark and that has already been done with a pounder by the Scientists Against Myths experiments to figure out work rates.\Not surpirisingly they are not much different from steel tools because they just work on percussion. I have compiled and shown a lot of masons at work, including ones who switched to ancient tools. Does making a lot of scoop marks next to each other becoming exponentially harder than making one? You really have been captured by this cult and your points are just plain dumb. After six months I will have a pile of chips, a big pile of chips. If someone did organise 100 people and pay them to work for sic months then you's only come up with a new objection and then demand that be proved to you. No one needs to prove anything to you because you lack the understanding of basic concepts. I could dig a six foot long ditch and then you'd say it's not a mile long and you won;t believe it can be done a mile long. You are in a cult and proof of that is in your comment. The basic act of removing stone has become a mystery. That's how ridiculous this thing is, removing stone with hand tools is something you can't believe and actually argue the fact passionately. That's what thus cult of stone pointers has done to you.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
@@tilleryinnovations592 Maybe follow the links and do a short experiment yourself. If you did you wouldn’t be mystified by indents in stone. Or the unexplainable mystery that not too love ago people used to work hard.
@kevinaalberts9251
@kevinaalberts9251 5 месяцев назад
Looks like it was all soft like clay!!! Look with yer eyes!!!!
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 5 месяцев назад
It's really hard to tell sarcasm from actual beliefs about lost tech atlantis stone. I'll assume your are joking. ;-)
@unclescipio3136
@unclescipio3136 2 года назад
Ancient high tech: superheated 'scoops', no problem. Cutting stone in a straight line? Impossible. I mean, think about how much freaking energy would be consumed heating metal to the melting point of granite. You'd need to build a power plant next to each quarry. It would be way cheaper just to make a giant powered saw, or a pneumatic drill, or a million other ways that would make more sense than essentially making a gigantic hot spoon. Or just build titanium sarcophagi in the first place. Or gold. I mean, you're throwing all that energy around, you must be good at mining and smelting, right? Because let me tell you, copper, bronze and iron are either liquid or putty-soft at the kind of temperatures necessary to melt granite, so you're going to need some pretty impressive alloys. Which is another thing: high-tech civilisations on Earth are not noted for their propensity to make stuff out of stone. The Romans moved to concrete pretty damned quick as soon as they got the chance, and that stuff has been standing for 2000+ years. You've got power tools but you haven't worked out concrete? Doesn't sound that advanced to me.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
👍 Plus the inconvenient fact that if you heat granite in a camp fire it is permanently ruined by micro cracks. Melt it and it turns into obsidian. But I suppose there was another machine to restructure the atoms and crystals back into their earlier state. I mean that makes a lot more sense than people doing stone work.
@ECLECTRIC_EDITS
@ECLECTRIC_EDITS 8 месяцев назад
Or you poured fine grained rock particles into rectangular molds mixed with organic compounds and straw superheated which reformed into natural rock.
@unclescipio3136
@unclescipio3136 8 месяцев назад
@@ECLECTRIC_EDITS or you smacked it with a stone.
@ECLECTRIC_EDITS
@ECLECTRIC_EDITS 8 месяцев назад
@@unclescipio3136 shut up
@unclescipio3136
@unclescipio3136 8 месяцев назад
🤣@@ECLECTRIC_EDITS
@chrism8705
@chrism8705 Год назад
Wonder how they lifted them
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 Год назад
Seriously......... If you can only think in terms of "lifting" then = 🤦 They were not lifted. They were pushed/pulled on wooden sledges by teams of men and oxen. They were raised using ramps and sand to settle them upon their base.
@chrism8705
@chrism8705 Год назад
@@varyolla435 but how did they lift them out the quarry before they could push them
@varyolla435
@varyolla435 Год назад
@@chrism8705 Go to Google maps and open a map of the area - switch to satellite view: 1 - see whereby the obelisk rests uphill from the Nile about a km away. 2 - see whereby one side of its pit is already partially opened = now see there is a large open space just beyond that. 3 - see whereby the modern road runs nearby and it follows the natural incline leading down to the Nile. 4 - see the obelisk rests at an angle relative to the ground in its pit. So as they would remove stone from underneath it wooden framing could be added until once it was broken free from the bedrock = it would already be on a wooden sledge. 5 - then had it not cracked and been abandoned they could have finished opening up that side -------> hauled the sledge out of the pit laterally into the large open area to that side -------> hauled that downhill to the nearby Nile where in a "wadi" dikes would have been built to hold back the water. In the wadi a partial barge would have been built - hull and deck only. Remember that the Egyptians "sewed together" the planks of their ships so ships could be assembled to needed size. Create ramps on both ends of your barge = so that the obelisk on a sledge could be pulled up one end onto the deck - as the pullers went down the opposite end ramp = and the rest of the barge was assembled around it. Then you wait for the annual Nile flood and open your dikes to flood your wadi area raising your barge allowing it to be hauled by other ships out into the channel to its destination - where another harbor area was already waiting. So no "lifting" required.
@Kitties-of-Doom
@Kitties-of-Doom 5 месяцев назад
@@chrism8705 he doesn't know. lol
@MilitaryMatters1
@MilitaryMatters1 2 года назад
Yeah no, those Parallel grooves don't like like it was done with a hammer and chisel-- It looks uniform and repetitive like a machine.. The spacing between each Parallel groove indicates it was a machine with revolutions. Saying it was done with a "nice whack of stone pounder" is literally wishful thinking. There is no way you are doing this with chisels and hammers and it has already been proven you can't, so why argue it more?
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ReDyQyQlloo.html Let me get this straight. Parallel lines indicate a machine with revolutions. It’s hard to tell genuine sarcasm from lost high tech people being serious. You really need to know the basics of the things you pretend to care about. Unless of course advanced machines were around in the 1600 and 1700s and the evil cover up of the machines decided to play 4d chess by releasing the machines into the world so that no one would suspect the machines had done the work and so be releasing the forbidden machines and the secret of the machines would stay hidden.
@techno.science
@techno.science Год назад
The ancients used large concave disks made of gold and silver alloy that were polished like mirrors and would concentrate the sunlight on the surface of the stone which would reach temperatures of up to 1300 °C which could easily melt granite, then the liquified stone was scooped out and surface further worked on with pounding stones. Gold is highly reflective of heat radiation and light, and there are numerous depictions of Egyptians holding large golden sun disks, the evidence is in plain sight.
@kavonkazemzadeh37
@kavonkazemzadeh37 Год назад
Please do a demonstration using a pendulum to do an undercut in a narrow trench on granite
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
I have a playlist of many demonstrations I have done. Swinging a tool on a rope shouldn’t need to be demonstrated . Feel free to do it yourself though. Find a rock face and build a temporary wall behind you to simulate a trench. Then try the same with steel tools. It’s slow by modern standards but was normal everyday work only a few generations ago. I have posted compilations of old quarry and stone mason photos. I s as m sure you’ll find that the tool will impact the stone much the same as on an open rock face or in a trench. I am also positive being in a trench won’t affect the way a pendulum swings.
@JoeSevy
@JoeSevy 2 года назад
At about 26 minutes he's ranting about "supposed stone masons" critiquing his claims. No problem. Just let the real stone masons drown them out. No? Huh.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
You mean like Mike Haduck or the non stone masons such as myself that demonstrate what the comments section fake stone masons call impossible?
@davidking7655
@davidking7655 Год назад
High pressure water jet cutting ?
@billthecook4357
@billthecook4357 2 года назад
I've done stone work brother. You ain't right. It makes no sense to take out large pieces the hard way so you can get small pieces the easy way.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
If a crack already exists it makes perfect sense to take advantage of that. Plenty of old examples of granite quarrymen doin exactly that, or breaking down large stones for blocks. I posted collections of stone workers doing that back in the old days. You are incorrect or the the stone workers who came before you are wrong.
@billthecook4357
@billthecook4357 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded my comment was in reference to your assumption that the "scoop marks" were a reverse, yet same method of quarrying the Romans were using. Chiseling or drilling small holes and removing large pieces between them. That makes sense. It does not make sense that the scoop marks were a reverse of this process. A stonecutter does not first remove large areas only to make it easier to remove small ones. They would have removed the small ones at the same time they were removing the big ones. You, are incorrect.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@billthecook4357 if they were using the tools found on site and other pre iron quarries including Peru, stone tools. How would you make those finer cuts with a dolerite hammer/pick? The nature of the tool would be more like using a ball point hammer instead of a sharp pick. The tools match the marks, in Iron Age Egyptian quarries the tool marks change to those type seen up until mechanisation.
@billthecook4357
@billthecook4357 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded the dolabite pounding stones that I have seen were not Sharp. Quite the contrary. I understand your assumption that they were once Sharp but we do not know that. If in 10,000 years my house is excavated they may find a coke bottle and some rocks. That does not mean the coke bottle was made with the rocks. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I am of the belief that the pre-diastic Egyptians discovered the monuments of Egypt and repurposed them. Or do you propose that their statues, obelisks, and other monuments were made using dolabite rocks as well? Or Flint tools perhaps? Of course. They must have carved perfectly symmetric statues with sharp rocks. 😂
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
@@billthecook4357 we do know that. Partly used sharp stones were found too, including with wear and exported to other quarry sites. You are the one assuming. I link sources for reference not window dressing. You need to look into it more. So steel transfers magic accuracy to the stone mason? Sculptors experimenting with stone tools had good results. Symmetrical work comes from the measurement technique. Stone tools should be more accurate since they remove material slower. Either way connecting symmetry to the material the tool is made from is a nonsense. Do carbide tip tools make the carver even more accurate than tempered steel? Skilled workers not magic materials is what counts. Steel is not magic. 🤦 stone or steel tools are only as good as the person using them. Also those statues are not magically perfect and symmetrical. That’s from Chris Dunn and his book is free on line. Funny that no one notices the deviations and compares to more contemporary handwork. No one seems to think unexplained mysterious anomaly with those works. Those who sold the unexplainable symmetry of statues also stated the schist disc is precision, Serapeum boxes are precise and etc etc. 😂 your analogy of coke bottles and rocks is a joke right?
@barneyrubble4827
@barneyrubble4827 Год назад
If you look at the scale of construction, even your reasoning would have taken unimaginable time and effort. How does this explain the pyramid construction? In a vacuum, it sounds reasonable but I'm unconvinced
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
No it wouldn’t take unreasonable time and effort. The experiments give a working rate (minimum since with experience it can only increase). For a long to put a crew of approximately 100 - 200 to work for a year on a major monument such as an obelisk is far from unimaginable. Large projects throughout time would put large labour forces to work for years and decades. Roman road networks and aqueducts don’t look as spectacular because they are spread out and the whole can’t be seen, the amount of material that had to be sourced and then moved surpasses Egypt
@YouCountSheep
@YouCountSheep Год назад
Archeologists thinking that they did all that strictly by hand is ridiculous. They had ships, built pyramids with ramps wheels and maybe even pulleys. Also this technique that is used there did not come from egypt. They already found the same techniques predating egypt. And these scoopmarks are way too consistent and way too big to have been done by hand. Certainly was not a big machine. My guess is that they had a ton of scaffolding with dolerite stones attached to it, maybe like a huge flail. That would also explain the semi precise marks going down. And they probably had alot more tools of different shapes and sizes than just these small dolerite stones. Those small stones were most likely only used to polish the surface and ged rid of the very rough surface that was created by something much larger. And obviously those large tools were valueable and would not have been left behind. These rectangular marks look like it took one hit to create a crater like that. Noone was sitting there hammering away trying to preserve a semi rectangular crater in the granite. TLDR. They clearly used basic machines made out of wood, cranes, levers and all all that. Just because there is nothing left of it or is inscribed on temple walls doesn't mean it didn't exist
@pranays
@pranays Год назад
You make a bunch of bs claims. Please make this machine prove it works and that the Egyptian used it. They had drawings and writing and we have found their tools. Also Aswan Egypt is the oldest Quarries know to man. Older stone age structures were not quarried they were made with above ground stones.
@curiousbystander9193
@curiousbystander9193 2 года назад
but what kind of metal are they moving this granite with? Seriously, man, you must have never chiseled a single granite stone in your life, have you?
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
As a matter of fact you might want to look up my playlist of experiments with granite and primitive tools. You’ve never worked anything in your life have you? Listening to uncharted x and brien forester isn’t experience.
@curiousbystander9193
@curiousbystander9193 2 года назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded I did and couldn;t find any examples of techniques that could explain the granite surfaces on huge blocks seen throughout eqypt.... some requiring trigonometry to create.... Your little shop projects really does'nt cut it there buck-o.
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open 2 года назад
@@curiousbystander9193 I am glad to see that you checked out the channel as I suggested. I would argue that all the techniques have been demonstrated small scale by experimentalists. If you want bigger, you need to donate cash for materials and labour. Every rock can be broken and made into whatever we want. Time, resources and money.
@curiousbystander9193
@curiousbystander9193 2 года назад
@@Eyes_Open key word "small scale"...... thanks for clarifying
@curiousbystander9193
@curiousbystander9193 2 года назад
@@Eyes_Open I have seen big being done at rock of ages in vt a number a years back....and what stood out was, everything they did required power...... yes, because the size was so big for some items they needed to build reinforced steel structures just to move them, let alone cut or chisel them. Size has everything to do with the questions people struggle with about megalithic creations.....that's right, cause even with pully's and levers, there are limits to how much torque men can create without some kind of steel. ANd then, there are limits to that as welI. Is there a single machine on the planet now that can move the stones at Baalbek? DO you have any concept of how many horse power it would take to just budge those blocks a few inches? A team of 50 elephants could not slide them off their base? SO what is it you are suggesting? That everything is above board and there are no long view agendas to distort certain historical circumstances? Cause clearly we haven't been told a few things........
@opieshomeshop
@opieshomeshop Год назад
LOL!!! BAH HA HA HA HA!!! Dolerite is a great tool to use against granite. WOW! Yeah, NO! Not even close buddy. No one used a round stone to do anything. You have no clue what you're going on about!
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
If you watched I go into that but you didn’t watch. So I can dismiss you as another lost tech fanboy. I have tried out a lot of this stuff and so I know you haven’t. That makes you a liar because you talk as if you know but you don’t,
@opieshomeshop
@opieshomeshop Год назад
@@SacredGeometryDecoded Hey @$$ hle, show me one video or article where someone successfully make anything with a dolerite ball. You can't because its been proven total BS! You also can't explain how these monuments got to less than 1-10,000 of an inch precision. Where are these saw curf's coming from? Where are these core holes coming from? You don't know the first thing about level of precision. I own a machine shop. That level of precision is IMPOSSIBLE without precision measuring devices and machines to cut. Thats the end of the story! As the level of precision advances, so does society. No level of precision, then no advancement. There is no possible way an agrarian society with bronze tools and round rocks could have afforded either the man power nor had the economy to build such giant structures let alone lacking the proper level of precision!. Would not have happened with slaves either. Egypt today could not afford to build a single pyramid. You haven't looked at anything at all. You don't know anything at all. Go back to your mothers basement tard!
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
So putting links in the description and in the video is pointless then because here you are asking for them in the comments. You don't want to know, you pretend to care. If you can't even follow the sources and know the basics then you're not entitled to be part of the discussion. YOU show me one instance where you go beyond being a parrot of lost high tech narratives. Now the monuments go to 1/10000ths of an inch? Seems to growing day by day now ;-P You are just repeating what you've seen in comments and spewing it as if it's your own individual thought. You might find a playlist of the demonstrations i have made with simple tools. They are how to videos so that anyone can repeat. When you've done half of those come back if you're still going to carry on with your fantasy.
@NoIwont
@NoIwont Год назад
Hasn't been replicated in modern times...aint buying it. Interesting listen tho
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
Modern quarries and machines move giant blocks and weights much heavier. They use trench cutters to lay pipe over vast distances. With modern equipment you spit these types of things our. In modern times whose going to pay a hundred plus workers for a year when you could get a couple of guys with machines to do it in a couple of days? Ancient people couldn’t make a large hall with an unsupported ceiling. At launch the Saturn V rocket weighed more than twice the unfinished obelisk. 2800 tonnes. We’re so far beyond making block and lintel construction. We make these monoliths literally fly
@pranays
@pranays Год назад
Soft hands and a soft head is no way to go through life son.
@porkchoprock
@porkchoprock Год назад
grond
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open 2 года назад
Ben's latest video on the scoop marks resulted in me being Shadow Banned. He doesn't tolerate dis-agreements very well so I have been demoted to the rank of a moron with rocks in my head for believing the standard story.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 года назад
😂
@Resistant79
@Resistant79 Год назад
This doesn’t actually address how any of these things WERE actually created. Do it yourself and prove it. Stop debunking and bunk something.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
I have a long playlist of experiments I have done that prove the "impossible" is easy and quick when it comes to granite. Stop giving advice you aren't willing to follow yourself.
@Gecmajster123456
@Gecmajster123456 Год назад
can you show us what kind of stone age tool leaves those scoop marks??? 🤣😂 swinging grond, you should get a Nobel Price for these discoveries here
@przemog88
@przemog88 Год назад
Dolerite stone pounders. You're welcome.
@Gecmajster123456
@Gecmajster123456 Год назад
@@przemog88 please try and show us some results after 1-2 months of working on granite and other stones..
@przemog88
@przemog88 Год назад
How much will you pay me for that?@@Gecmajster123456
@mouwersor
@mouwersor Год назад
I think you're kinda stuck on the idea that they had to use just bashing rocks because they were 'pre-iron' (weird implication of a purely linear technological progression). The rounded diorite could've also been used to transport the stones on as ball bearings. Some other method of removing granite could have been used of which we haven't found the tools. I mean we're talking about months and months of work for just a single block. There are millions of giant blocks in the pyramids. It feels like an absurd waste of time, under the current paradigm. I think believing in religion as some driving factor for absurd behaviour (note how all great buildings are immediately classified as either temples or tombs..) is a cop-out; a lack of imagination.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded Год назад
The millions of pyramid blocks are rough hewn limestone. A steel pounder was standard tool for masons and quarry men until only a few generations ago. I can imagine all sorts of tools but with no evidence the tools that work, and match tool marks, are the strongest case. Especially against zero evidence for alternate theory.
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