A small correction from Adam on the provenance of his vase. It was exported from Egypt in the 1930s. It came from the collection of Stanislav Kovar. He was a Czech diplomat, born in Prague in 1889. At that point, it was part of the Austro Hungarian empire. He brought vases out of Egypt in the 1930s. Czechoslovakia was formed in 1918, but the word Czech is older. from Google: The words "Czechian", "Czechish", "Czechic" and later "Czech" (using antiquated Czech spelling) have appeared in English-language texts since the 17th century. During the 19th-century national revival, the word "Czech" was also used to distinguish between the Czech- and German-speaking peoples living in the country. Vase STLs, reports and the report from the Danville metrology inspections are available at unchartedx.com . If you liked this or my other work please consider supporting UnchartedX via the value-for-value model at unchartedx.com/support
Nearly perfect very good that's really not good unbelievable older better and like they had machines we can't or haven't found maybe they did come from Atlantis or not from this earth or we are missing something to perfect
Only possible with artificial intelligence. Ie computer or something that controls a machine with a harder than stone bit like diamond or perhaps a tech we haven’t worked out that softens stone for molding.
I am a Production Machinist of 35 years. Watching the Spinner Vase spinning away LITERALLY brought tears. A short list of causal emotions: wonder, amazement, incredulity, profound loss (for that civilisation and knowledge), anger (at the nay sayers and sceptics), and gratitude to Ben and all these gentlemen investing their time and effort to bring this stupendous data to light.
I've been told it's pseudo science - but won't dignify such nonsense with a retort. Professionals: keep the research Honest. At least Ben & co are not deterred - the Truth will prevail.
This is absolutely incredible and the implications are so wild that I cant even begin to imagine what this means as far as history that has been lost to time. As someone who has used an end mill and a lathe as a hobbyist, it blows my mind to think that anyone thousands of years ago had the capacity to make something like this let alone using Stone hammers. There is absolutely no way
I'm so happy for you Ben! Congratulations to the whole team that contributed to this astonishing revelation we all sensed would be confirmed eventually. This is one giant step for the science and history!❤
Hi Ben. Firstly I want to thank you for your amazing contributions and helping the theory of highly advanced measuring and tooling that was so obviously used in creating these priceless masterpieces. I have a confession: as an engineer I'm fully aware of the principles required to truly understand the complexity - to me it is still astonishing, the absolute accuracy of these wonderful creations. I stopped watching your channel because - here we go, and I don't mean to offend! - I thought your views were somewhat myopic. Turning is an obvious possibility, but it only one of many that could be proposed. And, until that happens I think it would be foolish to assume any one method over the other options that are possible. We think like 21st Century humans. We can only guess at how where and why, but we must, at all times, keep an open mind, no matter what. Or, until there is definitive proof. The fire at The Great Library at Alexandria was a colossal disaster, and I'm sure so much was lost there. But if we keep "digging", eventually we will have something credible, that stands up to scrutiny, and that can be proven and tested to work; and we are able to reproduce these ancient artifacts to an astonishing level of accuracy. Only then can we say, "we think we have the answer. Thank you so much, Ben. This video itself is astonishing. I used to have a boss just like Chris. I've read Chris's works on this subject and I believe with Chris and his son involved you are in excellent company. Cheers and beers!
21:18 ... and while the partial unfinished nature of these boxes proves they were machined in situ, you can ask: why would they choose doing it in dark room where you'd have to use artificial lights (which we "know" they didn't have)? What type of such precise machine would fit in those tight spaces? How did they filter the dust during the machining process? And the list could go on.
In the opening clip the runout from the telescopic micrometer was almost 0. As in essentially perfect! There is no way in holly hell that was made by hand. Using chisels?! What are we even talking about?! We're all smart here.
I think, perhaps, your next step is to try to manufacture a sample vase out of the same material, using a five-axis milling machine and the most modern techniques. See how close we can get with current technologies!
I think the reddish granite vases are a well recognized historical rock. It is likely the classic stone “porphyry” used in many historical artifacts, including Napoleon’s sarcophagus I believe. It is from one spot in Egypt and is distinctively purple red. It is the Royal lithology. The terms porphyria and porphyria are allusions to the color. The rock texture of coarse grain material set in fine grained is the classical porphyry texture. The reddish color is from the oxidized rim of a lithology and there is a very limited amount. Many cases exists of rock being recut like diamonds. The age dates correspond to gobleki tepi(sic) but the artifacts seem totally different. I am sure there are tool marks that might shed light on the making. My quick take on the overall “geomorphology” is hydrodynamic. There are clear signs in other situations where complex curves are related to hudrodynamic processes. In fact I use the term to describe certain rock shapes. The precise square shapes are beyond me. The dolerite porphyry is less familiar.
I'm waiting to hear what egyptologists or archeologists say about these results... Explain how these people made this ...(we know they can't) Amazing work 👏🏻
To be scientific you can't know what you are looking for and you can't make a selection. You need to look at all artifacts of that time also the non precisely made vases. That this"scientific" mindset blinds you from seeing the exception. It prevents you from looking at a small thing in a big dataset. But admitting this makes you "unscientific" so no scientist is willing.
Everytime I watch this I get goosebumps... It brings to mind a multitude of questions... Who were these "people"? Where did they go?... Where did they come from?... Were they even people? We are calling them vases, but what if they serve some sort of functional purpose?... Why else would you put so much perfection into such things unless they serve a function of some sorts.
Let me enlighten you These people were Egyptians They went nowhere, their descendants are still in Egypt They came from Egypt Yes they were people We are calling them vases because that is what they are. They do serve a functional purpose which is to store food and other stuff. Some of them might have been used as piss pots There is a thing called "art" and we , as homo sapiens, like having nice, quality stuff around. You're welcome
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 You don't know that. Nobody, knows that. Human populations come and go throughout the ages. The fact that over thousands of years, none of the machines used in these processes, should make you ponder, maybe these machines are not on Earth. The complexity of these "vases" indicates a more industrial purpose behind them. To think that that is merely what they were originally intended for is an insult towards the beings that created them.
@@CGGUYBC It is actually an insult towards Egyptians who worked hard to produce all that their civilization produced , to claim that they did none of that and it was all some other civilization Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Scanning a couple of vases of unproven provenance (for all we know they were made in some factory in china and then passed off as ancient Egyptian) is far from that. Further there is no complexity in these vases. Romans, greeks and others produced similar (and better) works of art later on without the need for any machines. Also look at some of the greco roman statues: astonishing quality.... Before invoking computerized machines from some invisible civilization whether earthly or not one should do serious due diligence and eliminate all the other much more likely and mundane possibilities
But....but ..isnt some moron claiming he can do these vases in his basement by hand...? Such ridiculous and incredibly mean spirited attacks. Thanks for your perseverance Ben.
This is mind-blowing. I am a machinist in a cnc shop making precision components for the auto industry. People need to realize how incredible this is. Having the handles built in adds levels of difficulties to the manufacturing processes that just don't make sense. The concentricity readings they show rival what we do, using a harder material in granite. If these were made with hand tools - it was done by the hands of God. This is 100% evidence of ancient high technology. People can tell themselves whatever they want but the facts are carved in stone. Thanks for the video. I'm going to share this with all my shop buddies!
Those handles really do throw everything out the window. That's increasing the complexity of the process by several orders of magnitude, something 99% of the world just doesn't really understand because they aren't builders themselves.
Yeah brother I operate 4 different lathes at work, some with their own issues like my haas chuck tapers parts hardcore and whatnot. These videos showing the precision, perpendicularly, and concentricity of the artifacts are kinda freaking me out
scientists against myth has created a granite vase using old technology, those vase are not also precise if you look at them closely specially on the level of the handles
@@JL-tm3rcl take it you've measured these artifacts yourself there mate? I come from a family of opal & gem cutters, just the finish on the vases here is high quality. What wd take weeks in a tumbling machine using various carborundum powders & water surely took an eternity with the tools we're told these people had. Just the tolerances here are amazing (for 3500BC) if they are from that period...& why did the Egyptians leave shoddy earthenware pottery copies right next to them? Then there's the mathematics & sacred geometry... which we're told were invented by the Greeks. Turning granite or dolerite on a lathe is a task in itself...but adding the handles requires an entirely different matter...but they're wonky! Problem solved!!
As a Precision machinist by trade, the 4 dial indicators on the vase moving only a couple thousandth of a inch is impressive. That is precise even when making someone on a cnc lathe.
I am too all 5 of those as well as a certified welder, licensed cabinetmaker and excavator operator. I also raise geese to relax. But Egypt has me stumped.@@rlbadger1698
Doesn't the meer fact that these artifacts have to be studied in such a manmer that they have to be so precise in the instruments used speak volumes itself ?
This was brilliant !! Getting to see the precision granite workbench, the bearing tolerance runout and then the gauges as the vases are turned. These visuals really helped understand a lot of the numbers and stats from the scan report. All i can say is 😮🤯🤯 !! Arent those rose granite ones just AMAZING...
I take it you never been to a machine shop before. I knew along time ago these things were made of the sane material that we use for measuring surface on a granite slap cut with a surface grinder.
We are only scratching the surface of how much we can really learn from these ancient artifacts. Mainstream Historians thought there's nothing else we could learn but these professional Engineers are proving them so wrong. There's so much more secrets to be uncovered about our true past. My sincere salute to Uncharted X and the Vase scan team! Keep up the good work!!! 👍👍👍
As a toolmaker this is fascinating. Hardened metals can be a pain to machine, i can only imagine machining granite with differing hardness and density.
You'd certainly earn your paycheck trying to make a vase like those! I'm still trying to figure out the order of operations for the "schist disk" they found in Egypt. Stone that soft, yet shaped to such a complex design..... it's just mind-boggling. I can't think of a single tool that'd get under the lobes without running into the center hub or hit the compound curve of the body a dozen times and shatter everything. How they could have done it is one of those great mysteries, and I'd love to see it go to the metrology department for some measuring!
The science of measurement and engineering is fascinating, and often totally misunderstood. My grandfather was a precision engineer in the automotive industry, I went into scientific research and worked using SEM to investigate metal microbe interfaces. I am used to thinking in terms of um or nm, but it is rare in the archaological fields. The new discpline being brought into the whole area of the science of measurement in archaeology is a huge step foward - this team has started a new chapter.
This continues to be a leading example, true scientific approach to questionable mainstream claims. I entirely doubt previous assumptions on these artifacts after being presented with continued compelling and repetative results. Comparative data here with controls in place should, again, excite the scientific community beyond archeology. I'm not sure what baffles me more at this point; the ignorance of skeptics to precision manufacturing at what we see was on a massive scale, or the results of this study itself. Thank you, Ben, for this presentation. 31:40 Great quote from Chris, unreal results.
Wow! As a retired toolmaker I'm just very grateful my Gaffer never dropped a drawing of one of these on my bench, followed with the precious words "We need twelve of these by Friday. " 😮 Surely the product of a lost technology.
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 Olga Vdovina she has made a small collection of 'impossible machine precise' early dynastic vases from simple bone tools and stone of the same that she is shaping, granite vs granite, diorite vs diorite and patience... the videos are 'DIORITE VASE. Let's make an impossible artifact real!' and 'Diorite vase | Primitive tools | Unique experiment continues' and 'Reconstruction of the Ancient Egypt Stone Vase' and 'Mysterious Ancient Artifact - DIY. Alternate history fans, please look away' she has made multiple early dynastic replicas using nothing but bone, granite and abrassives, her name is Olga Vdovina, her work is great, she now has a small collection of handmade early egyptian replicas. You guys didn't even search 'how to make a diorite vase' you couldn't even be bothered to do that level of research, if you did you would have found her work, just doing that would have brought you her work which exposes the laziness and lack of function in the 'these could never be made from simple hand tools' crowd just fucking explodes that crowds narrative like a piece of flint...
potentially a sacred skill mastered over a lifetime, impossible to just 'make one'. i think the question is, is this pre younger dryas or just typical good craftsmanship from a known period in Egypt with techniques we just don't know? @@mpetersen6
Keep going, this is the most important analysis of the ancient world in the last 100 years, not only because of what it may mean, but because it is objectively evidence based, open sourced and transparent. Well done to the whole team so far.
You should really watch Anthony Peratt discussing his petroglyph surveys. To me it's actually more important than this. This is astonishing, no question. Peratt's work just flips the world upside-down and explains every archetype.
I have years of experience in metrology and GDT in the modern manufacturing sector. Holding tolerances of plus or minus as little as 12 microns on the manufacturing line. This level of precision is on par with the best equipment we have for working in metals today. I can't imagine trying to do it in a material as hard and brittle as granite. Planar grinding for flatness, sure, no problem. But compound angular relationships and radii.... just blows my mind.
I have a lot of respect for your technical knowledge, just from the little you said here. I worked in lots of metals, designing exotic stuff, some in an R&D environment. Mostly in doing custom things. My tolerances only went down to +.0005/-.0000". A bit short of micron levels. These blow my mind, too. Have you gotten into any pf the material removal amounts that Chris sometimes talks about? Unbelievable amounts. How? I have no idea. These thin wall vessels and the schist disk in the Egyptian Museum are all literally unbelievable. Not possible - but there they are.
I worked in the tool and die industry for several years building 90ish ton complex machines with thousands of parts where our tolerances on any given part were measured in tenths of thousandths. For the uninitiated, that's 0.0001" which is many many many times thinner than 1 average human hair. I have installed, programmed, and run more types of precision machines than most people. Lathes, mills, Blanchard grinders, wire EDM, surface grinders, 3 axis machines, 5 axis machines, and 7 axis robotic arm machines that will blow your mind. Anyone who thinks these vases were made with sticks and sand is a lunatic.
This has to be the most important archeological work being done right now and as important as anything ever done so far. congratulations and Thank You!
Well, I hope there are a bunch of corrupt idiotic pseudo-archeologists using botfarms to write these comments. And when I say pseudo I mean those people that without any evidence tryna disprove cold hard facts and scientifically gathered data. I really hope it’s just stupid archeologists trolling to save their books from becoming completely obsolete which they are already when viewed objectively. I hope so, bc the other option would depress me even more, lots of people actually being this dumb. Like yeah I know every second American can’t comprehend sentences above elementary school levels, but to read their comments with your own eyes is just sad
My friend who is a mathematician watched this and noticed something special in your table of error. "The smallest error is at pi/phi ratio, and it is amazing... For me, it is a real challenge to imagine that the occurrence of two fundamental mathematical constants is just a quirk of fate..."
For me the biggest revelations is that the ancient Egyptians used the imperial system. Cause they only match up as Pi/phi if you measure them in imperial. Take that away and you got nothin'. Dunno how people fall for this stuff.
I ran a multi million dollar machine shop doing mold making. We only had one programmer and one operator who with the best machines and tools could get steel to 1.5 thousands of an inch on a steel mold. If we had to make those boxes from steel we would need to use EDM to get those corners. We can't even do it with a mill.. You can not imagine how hard this is.
Incredible accuracy. I'm a retired CNC programmer, the precision of these 'jars' is throwing up so many questions. Why was such precision needed if these were just every day vessels? Now the team has discovered the possible base formula, I wonder if measuring other artifacts/pyramid dimensions etc show the same ratio? Great work indeed.
I don't think the precision was necessary but rather that's just how accurate their machines were. If that makes sense. As an example A CNC machine always makes things as accurate as it does because that's how it was designed.
@@jimmywranglesThe civilisation must have been advanced if this precision was an accidental effect of having tools that were over specified for the task. "This was made on the worst machine we could find!"
no thats false. the shape and material are needed for an advanced bioelectric function. I bet if you tried to grow a seed inside the vase, it would grow significantly faster and bigger and be more beautiful than a seed grown in a regular vase, cause thats its function. it would have a healing and growth or order and health promoting effect on a subatomic level on anything put inside, so they likely put food or anything bioactive inside
I really appreciate almost 30 minutes of explanation and methodology before diving straight into the results. I think it was a really great way to set the stage. It gives anyone who wants to refute the claims both an incredible challenge and all the information they might need at the same time. Once again, expressing my gratitude for the immense time and effort you put into your videos. Michael
Timeline. Advanced civilization beyond out imagination. Cataclysm, then, technology hidden forever. All tools and machines hidden from peasants. Lied to for a few more thousand years and now Brandon.
I've shown this kind of thing to people. People with degrees. And by fat the most popular response is "you'd be amazed at what can be achieved with enough slaves!" I tell ya, it's hard to remain calm.
Archaeologists are not engineers, architects, or geologists. The archaeological community should be thanking you and others for your hard work and detailed evidence supported analysis.
This is the problem! Its obvious for anyone who's manufactured (or tried..) to make parts as accurate as these, with machine tools, that these were not made by hand, its just impossible.
It's baffling the archaeological community can keep burying their heads in the sand in the face of blatantly obvious facts. However, digging in the sand is something they are qualified for 🫢
This is exactly why any excavation in Egypt is overseen & carefully monitored... or outright denied. Can't go having 100yrs + of 'experts' narrative disrupted.
No, the archaelogical community SHOULD immediately turn to experts in their specific field when they encounter anything that might be more than it seems, like some extremely well made granite vases. OF COURSE it should be their first imperative to learn everything possible about the artifacts they've found by tapping all sources of relevant knowledge. At first glance of many very old artifacts a natural first reaction is 'huh, that looks damn symmetrical. I wonder how symmetrical it is?' The fact that all those egyptologist experts never went down that alley is VERY hard to grasp for me.
Immediately after your video finishes, RU-vid throws a debunking video with a strawman argument headline at me. I didn't even want to get into it because I'd probably be attacked in the comment section by a bunch of people who claim to have PhDs. I'm just a humble tradesmen with decades of practical on the tools experience in construction and manufacturing. What do I know is PhDs or not, I can say one thing about office bound experts is that it's the lowly wrench monkey or the rare field engineer that knows how to actually know how to put things together. Academia hasn't a clue about the effective use of manpower. They know in theory about tensile strength, but quickly forget it when they surmise that papyrus rope, a few logs and men so tightly packed together that they're falling over each other can move thousands of giant stones (without damaging them) across vast distances, down mountains, across rivers and up steep ramps. There also seems to be an ignorance of the sheer quantity of high quality ancient construction globally, the more than coincidentally similarities between ancient construction methods, the difficulty in working those materials and the high level of precision needed to make these objects and buildings. The argument from academia seems to be that there wasn't any advanced tools back then, so it simply had to be stones, sand, and copper chisels.
Did the measurement team calculate the volume of the interior of these precision vessels? It would be interesting to see if the volume was a relevant factor in their design, given that today we generally manufacture vessels to contain a particular volume of something, I.e a liquid. If that is the case, then one could draw conclusions on the purpose of the vessels. Anything made to that level of precision and expense would have to be made with a purpose in mind.
In addition, personally I wouldn't refer to these magnificent feats of engineering as 'vases'. Whatever they were used for, it wasn't for flower arrangements. They were made precisely to carry something important. I say 'carry' as those lugs were clearly part of the design so that something (rope, leather?) could be fitted to enable these vessels to be carried, transported, hung or stored in great numbers. The mind boggles when one is confronted with the mathematics and engineering aspects of these vessels. They were designed and manufactured with the utmost precision. Raw materials were sought, surveyed, mined and transported..oh and no doubt traded. The machinery was also designed and manufactured, which itself would have required precision tools to make the machines. Whoever accomplished all these factors was educated, trained and mentored. As were the teachers. This would require standards, assessments, administration etc. This would require a society as advanced, if not more, than our own.
@@rockygoodfellow77 I wonder if it would make sense to put it in one of those mass spectrometer or something similar to search for traces of specific compounds or chemicals. I’d imagine either the contained liquid/solid or maybe a cleaner could be detected if it managed to penetrate or stain at all. Micro cracks may absorb something. I think the lugs were for mounting in a very specific use. They’re useless for carrying. Maybe collectors of some small kind in a larger machine? I’m lost
@blacklabel6223 yep, whatever their purpose was, it wasn't decorative. Machined solid granite vessels! Would anyone even try now - with wall thicknesses of a few millimetres! The question is not just how, or when, it's also why, and for what purpose? Why that material? Why those dimensions? Why that precision? Is the volume relevant? What was it specifically designed to contain?
Absolutely incredible! You've got 3 dynamic processes here to create these things...1 - Some very advanced mathematical skills resulting in jaw-dropping precision. 2 - An advanced understanding of the material utilized in these pieces. 3 - A palette of tools to cut extremely hard material, yet material that is comprised of varying minerals with varying hardness. You "goof" on any of this, and you produce an 'inferior' product. The fact that whoever made these things had all of the above capabilities is leaving my jaw on the floor. I am seriously at a loss for words. And Ben, you do an absolutely bang-up job of summarizing what can be difficult-to-understand material, especially the mathematics behind it. Just WOW.
Or it was made with soft material and formed. Why can't you get it? It is so spectacular to have all 3 and not fuck up along the way! Too spectacular. Just turn the coin over and look at the other side and turn it back if you're heart flutters🧐🧐🧐
@@psmart4948You mean like clay?😂 This is granite. Explain how they made granite soft and then hard as granite again, then how they made it so precise. Good luck.
They did it with wet sand, a copper spoon and some string. Very easy. They just pounded out the vases with dolarite pounding stones and shaped the delicate handles 😂
@@BurningDownUrHousethat poor fella may be freebasing fish paralyzer again. you know…soft material, like granite? another soft material like brain matter, may not be found where it should with this poor fella…we may find wet concrete with a silly putty swirl. wth?
Ben , I once was considered a Advanced R&D Technical engineer - I helped design and create processes for the Bunker Buster - both DU and other heavy metals. I setup and programmed CNC - NC - PLC -standard machines and robotics , since 83. You are on to something here , but the way you are explaining it , requires someone to have a machining background to understand just how difficult ( if not impossible ),this would be without a lathe or mill. You did not even show either of these machines and how they machine an object. So many ways you could bring this precision to everyone in a way that could not be misunderstood or denied. On these vases , only 2 measurements need to be pointed out in my humble opinion , the ID and OD total runout and what that actually means , Total wall thickness variation and what that means. Then demonstrate how it Cannot be done without turning the Vase on a lathe or mill, possible centerless grinder. Demonstrate how one has to chuck ( hold ), the piece and turn the OD and ID without un-chucking it, that's the receipts , the proof , the top and bottom surfaces have to be parallel if its cut while the initial chucking is done, a cut off tool will parallel the bottom, it cannot be done without turning and cutting while turning. the math and all the Brilliant talking points and verbiage , turns to word salad .If this were done , it would be clear from that point for the least technical of people and the expert just the same. This is something I would very much like to see done ( I would guess 99% of your viewers would as well ), take one vase , recreate it with a piece of aluminum or some piece of stock, wood would work ( it should start as a rough piece, square , out of round , rigid ), its the process that needs shown. Not the math or scans , for they will make no sense until one understands what it takes to create the object. Thanks for the video Sir
I second this, too, in fact I can't even visualize the test you're proposing but I got the gist of it and I can understand it will be immensely useful.
The main point in the vase analysis Ben gets across very well. There are people from all walks of life here, professional machinists or not, who express the exact same bewilderment of how these artifacts came to be, and how they could possibly made in the time periods framed, or with modern tools available. For a product with dimensional deviations that are only theoretical to most people. Using logic and discernment, these vases weren't made by people from this earth, or with any tools familiar to mankind then or now. I'm not a machinist, but a healthcare professional with hobby interests in archaeology, history, and semi-precise metal work. While my interest in the 'perfection' of such skills into a final product appealing to the naked eye, is a universal concept, their inherent beauty is recognized as much or more by the eye, then it is in a paper calculation.
@TheChzoronzon He did have them checked by a 3rd party, in fact he made the results open source to the entire world. You can download the STL file right now and verify it yourself. As far as provenance, several of these vases have certifed provenance daring back to the late 1800s and early 1900s, which is more than enough for me considering that no one had the ability to cut granite and especially corundum to such a high degree of accuracy in that time period, which eliminates the possibility of forgery. In fact, I doubt that ANYONE can replicate that vase NOW without a SUBSTANTIAL investment into R&D and tooling and process developments. Thats my professional opinion as an aerospace machinist of twenty years. And even if they did, why then? Is there an underground tiny granite vase market that's completely unknown by the public selling large quantities of these vases for hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a piece? That would be the only way to recoup the investment. So why forge it in the first place? It just doesn't make sense. That being said, of course I would love to see egyptologists and museums open their minds and doors to professional metrologists and allow the vases and artifacts to be scanned. If for no other reason than to shut up the few dissenters (almost all have no engineering or manufacturing experience) and naysayers.
Mind-bending precision. You can even imagine the cutter head fluttering in the way the dials wiggle within their incredibly tight tolerances. They must have had giant, heavy machines. I wonder if they used a combination of stone and metal to create analog powered cutting tools, perhaps making the tool holders out of giant stones, as well as their entire base assembly. A hole would be drilled that could accept a spindle, and a piece of stone could be turned on a "rock solid" lathe. The tool could be guided with a 2-axis gliding mechanism using stone bearing spheres and a pantograph mechanism that could copy a pattern from a radius based on a set designed using a mathematical system based on pi and phi. This would require a rich heritage of mathematics, an understanding of metal alloys, advanced engineering capabilities, and a long and sustained period of peaceful settlement to develop the capabilities required for making these vases in such large quantities. I can imagine them washing up onto the shore in their millions after some massive flood, most in shards, but 10,000s intact, collected by the survivors who rebuilt from scratch. It's starting to look like a very likely scenario that archeologists and Egyptologists will not be able to wiggle their way out of any longer.
A great comment. I think the polygonal walls were also cut using a pantograph from a small-scale model of the proposed wall. It does occur to me that a power source is needed - it could be as simple as a water wheel, but I do wonder if the ancients used a simple steam turbine. Heron of Alexandria built a small one as a novelty, but it may be no coincidence that he lived in a city that once had a library filled with ancient documents now lost to us.
At this point I’m just assuming they had some kind of giant box way machines running on templates or geometry built directly into the machine. This is wild.
WAHO!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Standing ovation from me!!! Congratulations Ben & Company!!! You boys have done the impossible and the most exciting work ever done in so called “Egyptology” since anyone ever conceived of such an ology!!! The work is irrefutable and speaks for itself!!!! All I can say is, thank you, thank you, thank you and I am certain you boys are going to change the his-story books forever!!! Cheers
@@justinsmith4562 you really clicked on the video and then scrolled through and read the comments just to say no one cares. alright bud.. your a clown in its true form. you obviously care if you felt the need to leave a comment
I'm a 10 year manufacturing engineer for a CNC medical manufacturing company. This is single handedly the greatest discovery of ancient history in our lifetimes. I am so proud of you and your team Ben! Keep up the great work!
Tenured "experts" are dependent on status quo ... "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair
This is one of the most exciting studies I’ve seen in YEARS ❤ it feels like Christmas came early 😂 very much appreciate all the hard work and dedication of the whole team and I’m excited to see where these findings could take us! Many thanks and blessings to you all ❤
I particularly notice that none of the skeptics and deniers have ventured into this forest of comments by experienced machinists and precision manufacturers to challenge the results of the survey on any factual grounds. On their skeptical videos I see a lot of disengenuous cherry picking criticism that ignores the implications of the documented precision, questions provenance without taking into account the expense and effort needed to produce the same artifact now (they also don't address the number of precise vases in existence, but focus on a single example) and often ignore the evidence that the most precise examples are pre-dynastic, of extreme antiquity, while asking why the dynastic Egyptians did not leave records of the work.
I worked with an old toolmaker back in the 70s who built custom jigs to manufacture precision parts during WWII. He told me that the best machinists/toolmakers could eyeball making a part to 0.020" with modern tools. About 20 times worse than an Egyptian with a pounding stone.
we humans have pretty well designed measuring tools built in by nature for flatness and straightness (we are predators and need a perception of depth and our surrounding to get the hunt done well otherwise we would not be around to begin with), but where we can not handle things is when it becomes round. And this is the case with these objects, you can not eyeball roundness/circularity on a curved surface. Or in other words would the object be flat with every surface the way to manufacture it would be magnitudes less problematic then how it is shaped.
"...the best machinists/toolmakers could eyeball making a part to 0.020" with modern tools." We used to work to at least 0.010" (eyeball) when doing lathe work to loose tolerances, using a good quality steel rule and calipers, but that was just flat, straight diameters, and with steel. When you consider curves, and a material that has varying areas of hardness, it's difficult to know where to start!
Precision manufacturing in the hardest granite and diorite can be done with simple bone, wood and stone, no need for even copper, there is a video by a Russian woman who remakes these exact style and material vases, with primitive methods and she kinda exposes this whole channel as superficial and lazy, took her a few months to make her very own primitive vase collection from granite and diorite with simple tools and patience while you have these guys who studied them for years and have not made a single one and think it is impossible in that time she has made a small collection of 'impossible machine precise' vases from simple bone tools. the videos are 'DIORITE VASE. Let's make an impossible artifact real!' and 'Diorite vase | Primitive tools | Unique experiment continues' and 'Reconstruction of the Ancient Egypt Stone Vase' her name is Olga Vdovina, her work is great.
oh another cheeky video by her is titled 'Mysterious Ancient Artifact - DIY. Alternate history fans, please look away' where she makes a bird shaped vase out of granite using nothing but wood and bone.... just totally exposing this crowd, love her.
@greatbingus9137 I looked into your claim where you say you found someone that exposes this whole channel. The sculptor you found does do beautiful work. It is also abundantly clean that her work is nothing close to "precision manufacturing" as you put it. Thanks for sharing her work though.
@@greatbingus if her work isn't a true reproduction (i.e. to the same precision tolerances) then it can't be claimed as a debunk. you realize that right? in fact, you actually prove Ben's point by showing that it is extremely difficult to work this material by hand to a somewhat precise state, let alone machine-level tolerances, which she failed to do in every facet.
she proved it is very possible to work granite and diorite with simple hand tools, no machinery or metal needed you guys all kinda miss this point, precision yeah yeah precision is the impossible part now? Well you just gave her another goal to reach@@levirugheimer3131
One can only conlude, that for whoever created these pieces such precision was easily obtainable. It certainly is not the product of handcrafting. Would dearly love to see a modern version created, one that matches the precision demonstrated in this video (that in itself would be a video series worth watching). Thank you for a great presentation, never had goosebumps from watching a video before this.
"One can only conlude, that for whoever created these pieces such precision was easily obtainable." This is a quite astute and important observation. We might be able to duplicate one of these artifacts today, maybe, but at prohibitive expense. Over 40,000 or these (unknown of course how many exhibit this level of precision, or how many thousands more equal to these remain buried) have been found, so it wasn't prohibitively expensive or difficult at the time. One could also say that the methods used to create the ancient megalithic structures and statues were easy as well, not only regarding precision but dealing their incredible size. For whoever or whatever made all of these things before recorded history, the process must have been relatively easy and likely rapid as opposed to centuries of handwork by thousands of human hands. "They" did it that way because they had the means to do so as easily as we would make an automotive wheel bearing or assemble a metal building. Who they were, wouldn't we all love to know?
@@geargnasher9822 --- Agreed, the expense to achieve these tolerances would make any of these worth $500,000 US. Maybe ten times that. And the bottom line is that WE CANNOT REPLICATE THESE - NOT YET.
Just awesome! You've brought real science to the pseudo-science of ancient human history. This is history changing, paradigm shift, Nobel prize type work 💯%
They've brought nothing actually, all the work is irrelevant as they have zero proof these are ancient vases and not more modern pieces. They may be engineers but they are certainly not scientists.
Loving this journey, as a fellow Australian, it’s great to see you play a part in pioneering the change in understanding of human history! Keep up the great work and thank you for the dedication 👍🏼
I was a manufacturing engineer for 15 years and these results are amazing in that these vases made of stone, which makes the idea of them being a hoax completely impossible. The technology, methods, and means to create these vases is unknown and undiscovered currently. Who ever made these vases, it was probably easy for them because there would be no need for such precision. So the precision was already integrated into the technology or process used to make them.
You say there was no need for such precision and that made me think these were made for fun. This is not the sweat and toil of an uneducated stone worker from 5,000 years ago, buteven more amazing, the precision of the boxes in situ was spine chilling. Machining is the obvious answer
Or maybe there WAS a need for such precision! Who knows? Has anyone speculated as to the purpose of these vessels? Were they just vases for holding flowers?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle I think that a good statement and that is how far we can state as part of a technology in the production of these vases.... Most probably "energy, frequency and vibration" was used in the production of the massive and equal very precise sarcophagi in the Serapeum of Saqqara. These have mostly square and rectangular shapes while the vases have mostly circular, elliptical etc. shapes.. So with "energy, frequency and vibration " these people could manufacture very different kind of objects, with very different mathematical principles.
However, debunkers argue that even that accuracy was feasible. They say that the ancient Egyptians knew mathematics and had excellent craftsmanship. In addition, they claim they are not pre-dynastic and the statues are not of exact symmetry. As a mere banker, I cannot possibly know which side of the argument is closer to the truth. If there is one thing I can say, it is that for some reason the debunkers of Ben's arguments are unnecessarily rude and aggressive(Some). As if there was something behind them other than the pursuit of truth.
they're not doing this out of passion, they're doing it because they're being paid, and since nobody actually likes their job, that's why they come across as abrasive.
The debunking individuals have long ago become tired of the censorship and aggressive bias displayed from the so called Alternative leaders who desire profitable invented mysteries.
@@Vision_2 nobody forces you to come to these channels are "correct" people who in your view are obviously wrong about their theories. so why do you do it? i honestly can't say i trust people who have a stated bias of "debunking" things, as opposed to, you know, just getting to the truth of things.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle Do I not see you on the evidence based channels pushing unsupported claims? Are you forced to do so? Debunking would not be necessary if people would stop throwing out claims and telling others to ignore academics.
I am totally fascinated by these Vases, and other Objects. As you mention in your introduction it would be possible to manufacture these today, but at incredible cost. Those dating back to being discovered in the 1800s, were impossible to manufacture at that time. Keep up the great work.
I spoke with a client of mine today. He’s a lifelong stone artist, sculptor etc. he says he rarely if ever uses power tools, carving everything by hand. I showed him the clip with the flashlight and translucent sidewall and he was stunned! He literally said it’s impossible, plus you would probably need to do it underwater or have a high volume of water to cool, lubricate and flush the dregs away. I asked him if money was no issue how much would it cost me to pay him to make me one. He said that it would take the rest of his life to learn how to just be ok, not even close to the level of precision of the sloppiest example.
I'm not shure if you can use some hard stuff like Diamant dust but inbeded in Wich Material to grind Stone like modern tools. Free Hand? Maybe a Stencil you rest your Hand on or the tool. Put the Vase then in plaster and Drill the inside. With Modern tools it may possible But the effort with this precision is mind boggling. The agresiv Material that cuts the stone needs to bedet in some rubbery Material to absorb vibration.
Did it occur to anyone that these are not vases at all. With all the ratios, maybe these are analog manufacturing cams. The "handles" might be fixture points to set this into another machine. Why would anyone make a "vase" to this level of precision? It can't be chalked up to bragging rights, can it? Maybe they are parts of an analog differential analyzer, or some kind of mechanical computer. I just can't see them filled with mints sitting on a coffee table. I remember a story of the Falklands war where some critical component of one of the Vulcan bombers was being used as an ash tray in the crew lounge.
This episode as well as practically your entire library are some of the most important work being done in this field. Period. And the fact that you teamed up with Mr. Dunn in my opinion cements your spot on the top shelf for me Ben. Thank you for your effort and drive seems so inadequate..
Been following your site and others for many years. I began my carrer in 1966 as a machinist and progressed over the years to tool and die maker, tool designer, machine designer, structural designer. I worked on oil field machinery, machine design, aerospace, medical, the f-22 the space station you name it. Mostly involved in precision machining at extreme levels. I think most people cannot comprehend the precision you are measuring here. The concentricity of the inner and outer surfaces is an amazing feature. This would require either performing both operations in the same setup or precision setup requiring instruments such as dial indicators. Machining this material at these thicknesses cannot be done with hard tools like lathe bits. The force required is too high. This would require some sort of abrassive tool or some other process I cant imagine. Like with other stone work such as the big boxes, try to get someone today to make one of these with any tools or machine. I believe the civilization that created these things and the rest had a sort of religious interest in geometry. These things are all very similar meaning they had a representation of some basic truth to an entire culture. This likely involved the geometric ratios they present. Ither wise why do it repeatedly.
A very impressive resume. Thumbs up. I have been to Giza (3 months, 2 trips), long before I ever ran across Chris Dunn's work. I already worked in engineering, but did not appreciate all that I was seeing. Now I know more, and much of it is still way over my head. But your comments on the precision are understood. I did lots of projects with high-tolerances, but envy you the exposure to fighters and NASA work. These pieces - like much at megalithic sites - were clearly done by an earlier technical culture. Assertions of them being done by earlier iterations of our present wave of development (stone age or savages) are insults to humanity and the real world. Egyptologists and arkies live in a projected fantasy world that has almost no connection to capable humans of the past. Archaeology is the science that isn't a science; they still think like they did 250 years ago. They are stuck in their silliness.
I think the encoded geometry is also a message. It's written in a universal mathematical language, as opposed to a base system. The great megalithic sites were intentionally designed to be extremely resistant to seismic forces, so they would last far into the future, as a test for future civilizations to decipher and replicate the mathematics and engineering needed to build them. No matter how far humanity descends from famine, war, disease, and how many times we have to start over, the Pyramids will still stand as a reminder of our potential. These vases must be similar. They were so important to the early Egyptians, they handed them down for nearly 1000 years until most of them were stored away in a stash at Saqqara.
I started studying Geology at eight years old ,I am now 63. I was a union Metrologist for 11years.chief inspector. You are correct on all counts. I have waited so long for someone to cover this Thank You so much.
What's really intriguing about these vases is how the lugs (handles) were integrated seamlessly onto the main bodies- Probably would be difficult even today.
One of the craziest parts of these vases wasn't explicitly discussed. To achieve precision like this you need to be able to measure your work and calibrate your tools to a similar level of precision. That means the creators of these had not only absurdly precise manufacturing, but also absurdly precise measuring devices. It's astonishing.
27:50 - I align pump and drive motors using a dial kit like these as part of my duties at work. It needs to be precise, otherwise the motor/gearbox/pump bearings and the coupler will suffer vibration and a reduced operating life. I aim for less than 3 thousandths angularity and offsets on the vertical and horizontal axis. It's a finicky, time-consuming process; measure, loosen, shim and adjust, tighten, measure, loosen, shim and adjust, tighten, measure.. It's a real pain when it's a 400lb electric motor, and 3 thou is a bit more precise than needed given the RPM most of our stuff runs at, but it needs to last and be reliable. As someone familiar with the use of these tools, watching the readings on that vase at 27:50 makes me a little queasy.. The precision and consistency on this thing is absolutely not an accident, and the implications are humbling and disturbing.
I've done similar work aligning electric motors to big refrigeration compressors, not quite to that level of precision but I understand how finicky it can be. Seems to me that the sceptics just have no real understanding of precision.
People without the necessary background for complete understanding see this and say "cool". I wish they could grasp the ridiculousness. Its impossible, yet proven reality recorded in stone. 🤷♂
18.739mm is close to the Egyptian “djeba” unit of measurement. The Royal cubit seems to have been 525mm with 28 djeba per cubit. That equals 18.75mm per djeba.
Now I think it makes more sense to believe the mainstream archeology speach... Because that point of view allows you to sleep at night... I am never going to sleep again thinking about this...
I suspect the reason is exactly because of how deep the rabbit hole actually goes. Those in the know, might actually be afraid of the repercussions, if people were allowed to freely research ancient history and technologies.
I am a mechnical engineer and design and build race engines where tolerances are down to +/- 0.0005 inch in critical bearing dimensions with high quality and consistent steels and this is the best achievable and measurable with the best avaliable equipment outside a measurement calibration lab. To achieve similar tolerances in granite even today is outside current technology, achieving it 100 years ago impossible, achieving it 5000 years ago incredible
indeed, predynastic means before egypts culture started acc to history - so should be a time of tiny villages at best, and roaming hunter-gatherers (one of them dragging a presicion machineshop along) - infact, it takes an entire culture to create something like these vases, one that has extreemely advanced technology and understanding. egypts culture, as they claim themselves as well, is retelling ancient knowledge. they didnt gain this knowledge, they inherited it. historians just didnt belive them, in modern times. so im not surprised at 14k years. could even be 100k years and i wouldnt blink.
❤ to all of you. Yall live in the u.s. so make sure you conceal carry and keep these vases very secure as no doubt some bastards who want to keep humanity back are out there. Also please no spinning that vase anymore, makes me so nervous.
This can be all be done with some rudimentary tools. There was definitely nothing advanced about them, nor would these have been made quickly. What the ancients had was time, and dedication to their craft. All you need is to make a couple flat surfaces, which can be done by rubbing a few almost flat things together long enough. Stack two of them on each other, drill a hole between them. Now you have a bearing. Now dangle a rod through the hole, fix it to the top flat surface. You now have a vertically oriented lathe. Attach your rock to the rod coming out the bottom, spin the top plate, put some hard pointy rock on something sturdy as your cutter. Now take a bunch of time and you have a precision machined vase with primitive tools. Everything is circular because that is the only thing you can do without getting advanced.
Great! Surely you can make a similar vase then (with lugs please) and submit it for measuring, since it is really easy apparently. Looking forward to it! Thanks.
I am so happy for you Ben that this scan project is happening and growing. Your efforts and dedication have made this possible. As for the skirptards, I think the old saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink," is apropos.
These artifacts were probably made with the intention of exemplifying the high level knowledge and craftsmanship the makers possessed. To carve something masterful into granite is to make a declaration of mastery to generations for as long as granite will hold
Internal axial grooves also seem intentional but somewhat clumsy. It reminds me the kind of grooves used to tune bells. They are machined on the inside of bells for sake of outer aesthetics. The resonant frequency of these vessels and their bell behavior may also be of interest. Keep throwing light to these topics please!
well, it's a hard and brittle material that's relatively cheap to get in large pieces. Unlike metals, it doesn't bend or dent, which makes it great at maintaining its precision once manufactured.
@@outandabout259 It does bend. It just bends very little. I promise you that at a small enough scale everything is rubber like. If I put an incompressible point in the middle of a 2 ton granite surface plate you would be able to measure the sag at the ends.
The primary reason we use granite for surface plates is one if availability. Before WWll the primary material used for surface plates was fine grained cast iron. The production process was long and in the end labor intensive. The castings needed to be completely stress relieved. Initial machining performed and then hand scrapped using master plates and precision inspection tools meant for the work. Some of which is optical in nature. With the rapid expansion of defense contractors for the war effort a cheaper and faster means was needed. The answers were found in granite and glass. But not all granite is suitable. Plus these surface plates needed to be properly supported when in use or they will sag in the middle or at the perimeter.
@@mpetersen6 These inspectors were measuring very coarsely, only .001-.009" A class B plate is way more than good enough for such coarse measurements. The rotary vise probably has .001-.002 runout on a good day. But, even .010 runout or ovality is still amazing if indeed those pots are 4-5000 years old!
Literally after I watch his videos of granite cut objects in Egypt I walked into my machine shop and had my mind blown realizing the granite table was barely more flat.
Watching for the second time just to get a grasp of the basics in the video. 🤯. The funniest part is that a RU-vid channel has done better work and provided some of the best evidence of lost ancient lost technology than 20 seasons of the BS ancient aliens show! Impressed and love the work you and the team has done. 😎🤘🇨🇦🤘
Ben, if there is any justice your work and the work of the. Vase Scan Project will immortalize you and change our understanding of history and humanity forever I'm not given to hyperbole (Dave for comedic effect) so I'm being utterly sincere. I still cannot quite believe I'm watching the largest revolution of historical understanding on some Ozzie bloke's RU-vid channel, while the media and academic world collectively seem to be plugging their ears, pending they can't hear you. Amazing work. I wish I had the time, skills, or money to help in any way, but .. The Best u can do is like, comment, share, and tell anyone who might remotely appreciate the paradigm smashing work you guys are doing. All the best. Your work and you some will, I have a feeling, end up being crucial in some way, large or small, to our future even more than our past.
Hate to break it to ya, but you could make one of those vases in the 19th century using a follower. Still not the "stone age" BS thrown around by idiot "historians" but... You would think one of those machinist friends of his would know what that is... but apparently they are ignorant of old school machining devices. Sure you would go through a LOT of square end mills and the polishing would be the hard part, but it can be done. In 1960's we had hydraulic followers able to match to less than half a thousandth of an inch using ball end mills. So, yes, all of these technically could be fakes. Sorry, but true. His "technical" group is historically ignorant of basic machinist technology available to previous generations. Machinists before CNC for Very hard 3D shapes before age of CNC would make a 3D mold out of clay, plaster of paris, check it for tolerances, fill it to tolerance, machine it, check tolerances, polish it down, etc and then use a follower in the hard final material. At minimum a society able to machine to late 19th/earth 20th century standards. BY mid 20th century BEFORE CNC we can easily make these vases using ball end mills and followers.
Rock and Roll precision! I knew you were onto something huge, this is a game changer! I can’t wait to hear what the “skeptics” (Naysayers) will have to say! It seems they’re running out of lame retorts and fabricated nonsense to try and rain on your parade. This changes everything, maybe now we can throw out the ridiculous academic version of history and really start looking at the past with open minds. Open the floodgates! 😃⚡️👍🏻💥😃
Vases, statues, pillars - high precision stone products that range from a fraction of a kg to many tons. But not a single trace of anything else that would hint a civilization capable of such incredible precision work. Where are the tools, houses and other high end products of the people who made these? It feels like a practical joke that is 5000+ (and that can be many pluses) years old. People are analyzing blurry pictures of unidentified flying objects and phenomena, but here we can hold 'unidentified objects' in hand and actually measure them and analyze them in detail. One type of examination possibly worth trying would be chemical analysis of the surface of these objects. Any tools that have been used would have left microscopic amount of material (cutting tools, polishing compounds, coolants, lubricants, etc.) that would inevitably seep into the often porous stone surface. EDX, XPS, RGA, etc. could possibly be used to try to see whether the few uppermost micrometers contain materials that might give us a hint on what processes where used to create this mind boggling artifacts. Thank you for your work and enthusiasm. Please keep at it - hopefully at some point the mainstream archaeological institutions will start to take it seriously and throw their weight behind it and take it to the next level.
Amazing! One aspect that you dont mention are the lathe-like grooves inside the vases. I'm very curious to know if they are indeed in a spiral as one would expect or are they parallel to eachother?
The spiral cores have been replicated by using abrasive and copper tube drills. Ben recently published a segment where he unknowingly used a modern reproduction as an example of how nobody can make it today. Let that sink in
As a building surveyor in the UK, I am stunned at the vernacular construction from thousands of years ago and the precision of the buildings/monuments. I can see the similarities in these jars and it's mind blowing that historians say these were made with primitive tools. Ben, I hope you are touring in the UK in the near future
You can’t imagine how and so you think it’s impossible. You simply just underestimate people. Ancient Egyptians were skilled enough to make vases. Simple as that.
just Astounding. Translucent STONE? pure showmanship! seriously... obviously sophisticated engineering and machining techniques went into creating these vases. What's more, given the number of these artifacts, it must've been fairly easy for them to accomplish. Thank you Ben and Friends...
WOW, JUST WOW. thank you ben, and chris and the whole team. when you concluded the base unit revelation i literally got chills through my body. this is remarkable work for all of you. and ben dont discount yourself, i know i would feel inferior around all of those precision engineers. but ben you have a gift my friend. im 39 years old and work in the automotive industry and worth reletively intimately with .001-.020 measurments (1-20thou) and i like to think my eyes are calibrated to about .004 and my elbow to about 8ft lbs. 😅 but you my friend just explained this to my very first understanding. everythingh you produce and put out is just as precise and polished as any of these artifacts and engineers. thank you from the bottom of my heart for your drive. i envy you my friend. dont ever stop.
I;ve been wondering why we don't see any writings from these ancient megalith builders. Then I thought maybe it just further proves their advanced culture. They didn't chisel things into stone to communicate their ideas, much like the present day decline in the use of paper in favor of digital storage. Makes me think they were even more advanced than previously thought.
Whatever the real explanation is, it seems people underestimate how difficult precision is. You see the deboonkers chip away a bit at a granite block with a copper tool and it demonstrates absolutely nothing except that it's possible to make a few ugly dents.
After looking at the vases in blender for a while, I agree, the 'honeycomb' vase might be an unfinished example. If you spin it around it's Z-Axis you can see that the horizontal grooves stay perfectly level. It looks a lot like the carving marks you get from working a piece of wood in a laithe. This vase might offer the deepest insights into the production process. To me this stuff is the most exciting topic in ancient history right now. Thank you, Ben!
That vase is reminiscent of the granite box at Elephantine Island which has an unfinished section of bullnose. If you haven't watched that video of his, I highly suggest it.
@@AustinKoleCarlisleAlso very reminiscent of the unfinished obelisk. Would be interested if it was a grinding process that could be scaled for very large/small items.
@@frostasaurus2190 honestly, my gut instinct tells me it was a loop of wire that was energized with some type of unknown form of energy that separated matter at the atomic level. likely no abrasive/grinding process was employed because creating a granite vase as thin as a playing card wouldn't be possible.
Ben, After being blown away with the precision of these Artifacts, I have a question is there any evidence or mention of any energy used from there time period anywhere, 90% of the universe is plasma it's all around us I have a theory??
I’m so happy to see you guys are analyzing more and more of these artifacts. It’s just so astounding to see how remarkably precise these granite vases are.
The other thing which would be interesting, would be to compare & contrast a modern, off-the-shelf stone vase to point out the differences - if there are any.
Thank you for this. Talk is cheap but data is king. What bothers me most about this is why such precision? It has no utilitarian purpose. Sure, we have modern art pieces that are precise, but such precision is mostly an unintended side effect of the high tech industry which absolutely requires such precision for things to work. Yet here we see astounding precision seemingly disconnected from the "greater whole". It completely unseats how I always imagined the ancient world. And I think that perhaps the main reason the idea of "messy, disorganised, imprecise" antiquity is being held onto by the more "mainstream" historians for the reasons of psychological security. It is uncomfortable for most of us to imagine this complex yet fragile civilisation we've built suddenly collapsing completely, and discovery of such precise objects opens a rather wide window to the possibility of the same kind of destruction having occurred before, in our distant past, which, of course only reinforces the idea that it will happen again.
The problem with these is you have to somehow be aware how this was manufactured….it’s hard to grasp what you’re looking at when you never worked with lathe or mill. For 99% people these are just vases….but for those who know - Mind Blown
Yep you are right, unless you are a fitter & turner, or at least a type of fabricator to some level, it would be hard to appreciate just what type of tooling is required to nail these tolerances. People who don't make things ALWAYS under estimate the difficulty and skill required to not just make things, but make really nice things.
