ATF Loses AGAIN on Forced Reset Triggers and Judge Makes Fun of Them

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Federal District Court Judge Reed O'Connor Eviscerated the ATF in the Rarebreed Triggers Case. In stunning support for the Constitution, Separation of Powers and the Second Amendment the Judge vacated the ATF's rule- Forced Reset Triggers are not machineguns. I expect the ATF will double down and appeal this case. Which, I hope they do, so they can further solidify this decision at a higher level of court. This video covers Reed O'Connor response to request for stay.
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@VSO_Gun_Channel 22 дня назад

For engagement, come up with a translation of the acronym “ATF”. You may also use “BATFE” and AFT” since the President of the United States thinks that is their acronym. Edit: sorry for the two typos at 9:03. Going way too fast today. Previous videos on this topic: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jOZuHN5FOHc.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kHZ-FyrMyEY.html

@AndreaOwnn 22 дня назад

00:30 How much money is the Government wasting on stamps to mail eveyone’s stolen property back? We should just flush our tax dollars down the toilet. How humiliating…. For the entire Nation. We have such bumbling inc0mp3t3nts crafting our “laws”.

@PBVader 22 дня назад

Ban All The Fed Excrement Amendment Terrorization Force Angry Fudge Tickler

@marcondespaulo 21 день назад

My lawyer advised not to join the game, being a foreign citizen, etc.

@Dukers2300 21 день назад

Anus-Tasting Fiesta.

@tomfrommichigan 21 день назад

Those ATF agents should be forced to go door to door and apologize to everyone who got a visit from them.

@luckymanham302 20 дней назад

They should be sentenced to be people’s butlers, ala Seinfeld.

@blueeyeddevil1 22 дня назад

ATF acts unreasonably, creating this whole CF, then tries to explain to the court what a “reasonable” approach is to rectifying this situation. 🙄

@svbarryduckworth628 22 дня назад

Reasonable is the AFT gives back the stolen property immediately or if they don't have them any more then they cut a check for full retail value to the theft victims. Interest penalties should be assessed at 18% interest in full retail value for the full time the property was in AFT possession. The money for this monetary compensation will come directly out of AFT's payroll.

@thediddy8117 20 дней назад

@@svbarryduckworth628how about they get charged with theft and if they lost or destroyed their victims property then vandalism and destruction of property.

@pulldeauxduck2480 21 день назад

Free Matt Hoover now ,and give him lost wages !! ++++++++++. +

@johnmiller4439 22 дня назад

The Judge should have told the ATF to return confiscated without prohibited person verification/background check which they argued. If FRT’s are not machine guns they are also not firearms so no background verification is necessary they are merely parts.

@chrish1585 22 дня назад

The BS about prohibited persons is garbage because it's NOT A FIREARM!!!

@marcush4741 21 день назад

Prohibited persons arent just prohibited from owning firearms. Theyre ALSO prohibited from owning firearms parts.

@davidreynolds731 21 день назад

@@marcush4741 no they’re not lol

@Tigris_River_Sand_Fleas 21 день назад

@@marcush4741 For the love of God, please use grammar checker if you dropped out of school. What you wrote should have been consolidated into one sentence like this: '"Prohibited individuals are not only prohibited from owning firearms but also from possessing firearm parts."' It's no wonder why you are assuming the law and are 100% wrong. There isn't a law in any state that says someone can't own a firearm part outside of the actual firearm itself. But by all means, prove us all wrong and post a link herein and prove us wrong m0r0n.

@brandonobaza8610 21 день назад

@@marcush4741The "part" in question has to be defined by the BATFE as a firearm in and of itself in order to be prohibited. Machine Gun parts fall under this category. Prohibited persons are also banned from possessing self-contained cartridge ammunition. At least, to my limited knowledge. I may stand corrected.

@dougshellusn 21 день назад

@@marcush4741swing and a miss

@darkwaterliquor 22 дня назад

Reptuable law firms should black ball any and all ATF/DOJ Court Room Ninjas from joining their law firms after Trump fires them all.

@steverandle4700 21 день назад

Weird that you think that Donald Trump isn't a huge proponent for gun control... He's been historically a fan of gun control.

@mikewlazlinski4309 17 дней назад

@@steverandle4700 Weird that you think Trump is gonna betray his entire voter base.

@Soloong_Gaybowzer 7 дней назад

Never new "black ball" was actually a term. Apparently it means "exclude membership". Neat.

@ProLapsRacing 6 дней назад

@@mikewlazlinski4309 Yeah not like he did that with the bump stock ban, which was greater overreach than anything Obama or Biden did lmao? But I guess all you fanboys still eat up every word he says no matter the record.

@rkba4923 22 дня назад

"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of Citizens in the several States." - COTUS. Carving out exceptions for special groups is unconstitutional in the USA.

@pierowmania2775 22 дня назад

"ATF, get stuffed." - Judge R. O'Connor (probably)

@munsterr777-iz2ow 21 день назад

They “lost them”, kept them or sold them that’s why they’re saying all this garbage

@scaler1179 22 дня назад

A nice note. This is going to eat into the ATF budget. That makes me smile. 😊

@FierceDeity95 21 день назад

@@scaler1179 their budget is your money man. The only way I’m gonna smile is to see their agency vanquish.

@DigitalApex 20 дней назад

Just burning our tax dollars only to turn around and hike the taxes up next year.

@Eli1981-re5bh 22 дня назад

How about jail time for B&E and theft for all the people and companies this affected.

@DigitalApex 21 день назад

The problem isn't just that the ATF took triggers, but also entire firearms with the FRTs installed. That "prohibited persons" tossed in the ruling effectively ensures that the ATF can keep dragging their feet on this ruling. So thanks, judge O'Connor. Nobody is getting their stuff back.

@jeffhays1968 22 дня назад

11,000 + units ? They have been busy little beavers !

@PumpkinKingXXIII 22 дня назад

They seized that huge shipment from the U-Haul that Lawrence was driving he went to pick it up all the stock from the machine shop. I think it was 5k there

@skydivingcomrade1648 22 дня назад

Triggers are not firearms and do not require any background check

@thefoxcar 20 дней назад

Neither are bottle openers. Free Matt Hoover CRS...

@refuztosay9454 22 дня назад

Ur right - I flinched when you read the prohibited persons part of the ruling - for the reasons you cited.

@GmanGSW 22 дня назад

While I agree that Judge O'Connor screwed up the prohibited person item, I almost cracked up about the letters that need to be sent out/given to all affected parties. You know they are going to write "apologies" as ambiguously as possible!

@sailboat1734 22 дня назад

FTATF.

@skydivingcomrade1648 22 дня назад

I agree!! Reed made a mistake with the "prohibited persons".

@clifbradley 22 дня назад

Well when they assigned Dingleberry as the head of the ATF and he is so ignorant about guns that he couldn't tell the difference between a Makarov and a Beretta Cheetah, you get these over reaches by them for all sorts of things. Republicans, non-Rino Republicans, unlike Tony Gonzalez, hate this guy. Dems and RINOs..like Tony Gonzalez love him because he is basically putty and does whatever they want him to do that he thinks he can legally get away with until the courts step in and smack him on the PP.

@lexlane9353 22 дня назад

You are correct. The judge missed the mark on the 'prohibited persons' remark. Maybe I'm a prohibited person who likes an RTF for a fidget toy.

@marcush4741 21 день назад

I mean... prohibited persons arent just restricted from firearms. Theyre also restricted from firearms parts. If I had a violent felony, even owning an aftermarket slide for a mossberg 500 would be illegal.

@lexlane9353 17 дней назад

@marcush4741 If so, then I guess I learned something. I will have to investigate.

@mcfivedad 22 дня назад

There should be repercussions to funding levels for these cases that get overturned. Stop wasting taxpayer money. End the political bias.

@knarfknarf69 22 дня назад

Looks like FRT’s are back on the menu boys!!!

@BangStickky 18 дней назад

Funny how the ATF has the time to hunt down and find every individual that bought one to confiscate them but cannot seem to find the time to return. They should be forced to return the FRT's in person just like when they stole them.

@rustyshackelford3781 22 дня назад

Old meme I saw said the ATF should be a convenience store, I still agree.

@robertfoote3255 22 дня назад

With a drive thru.

@SonOfUnagi 16 дней назад

Will not be joining a paid membership to be “allowed” my rights. That is contradictory at its core

@roflchopter11 21 день назад

10:07 even if they were firearms, any prohibited possessor is entitled to the return of their illegally seized property.

@snowingfate6100 21 день назад

I wonder if the ATF will lose the FRT's in a boating accident. If they do, I think they should also lose the searchable DB they have in a boating accident too, since they can't be trusted with records.

@markseaman4750 21 день назад

The ATF has a lot of confiscated items to return. FRTs and bump stocks. Letters have already gone out on the bump stocks and owners have to respond within 90 days.

@geodkyt 21 день назад

You are entirely correct. As FRTs are *not* "machineguns" according to the court final decision, they are *not* regulated items at all, and even a convicted felon illegal alien in a lunatic asylum is *legally* allowed to own one. So, even if someone is a "prohibited person" on any or all possible definitions, they are entitled to have their stolen property returned - as it isn't a "firearm" nor is it "ammunition". ATF should just return it without even bothering to conduct a background check. And as the class of covered persons is so broad (because it covers down stream secondary purchasers who obtained them - directly or indirectly - from a specifically covered person), ATF should simply return them immediately to *whoever* they got them from, outside of any who fall within the geographical jurisdiction of that stupid NY court case (since Judge Reed was careful to state he wasn't overriding a different federal court that reached a different conclusion).

@ArcticNemo 21 день назад

Checking for 'prohibited persons' to argue against returning property that IS NOT a firearm... Curious.

@sscopelli 19 дней назад

So they kicked doors down in under 30 days, but cant return them in 30 days?

@MSUbulldog21 22 дня назад

AFT stay taking L's. Love it.

@demon12792 17 дней назад

The court said give them all back to everyone. Not go through them all one by one and do background checks to see who can own a firearm. They are triggers, not weapons. Saying they are stored around the country is a poor excuse because all those places have workers who can put a stamp on a box in less than a week.

@Smokkedandslammed 22 дня назад

I want to know when I can buy one lol

@ZorroDaddy 22 дня назад

How to remove that "annoying reset click, click, after each shot, gee, what a nightmare.

@traumajock 21 день назад

Uh...and they get 6 months to try to find a venue more sympathetic to the ATF.

@philipcalderone8092 21 день назад

The judge messed-up by saying by anyone lawfull of having them... everyone is .... now they can turn around and use that as bs not to give em back

@PumpkinKingXXIII 22 дня назад

6 month timeframe is excessive

@VSO_Gun_Channel 22 дня назад

I agree but I also don’t want this to go to the 5th circuit and them have an excuse.

@kikibarrios1231 22 дня назад

@@VSO_Gun_Channel The aim is to have them not appeal to the appeal courts of the 5th circuits, which they will down the line, so this rule will stick and act as precedent along with the insanely large amount of people who own them. I want one, but can not locate one. So we wait until the courts decide....

@mikiec125 22 дня назад

If these triggers aren't machine guns or guns of any sort to being with. Why is there a need to determine who can have them back when they're firearms, but mere components. 🤷‍♂️ Also where's the ATF record keeping at. How do they not keep proof of records, when they kept records needed to prosecute individuals.

@John_D67 21 день назад

Pointing and laughing. 😂

@Pippinm7 21 день назад

Excellent video! Thank you for the summary and clarity.

@connormarek1028 21 день назад

I hope they will start selling frts again one of these days...

@harrypeterson9287 21 день назад

I say return the triggers, pay back the companies that made them who lost profit and go kick rocks or sit in the corner.

@michaelvaliquette9823 20 дней назад

Why arent suppressors/silencers considered air restrictors then??? Its an accessory after all

@middleclassthrash 21 день назад

When will we be able to purchase these again? We have to proliferate hundreds of millions of these as soon as possible.

@reddotbang 19 дней назад

There is a different suit in the NY district that is still prohibiting sale and distribution. So until/unless that is resolved, RBT won't resume sales.

@lunaticgaming7967 21 день назад

Holy shit!!! An ad placement I might ACTUALLY BUY!!!!!

@stevez6483 20 дней назад

In new york state a felon cannot have a bow or a black powder gun since 2012

@jacksin3323 15 дней назад

FELONS WITH FRT's is NOT A CRIME.

@heathbecker420 21 день назад

Woohoo! that's a big win for 2A.

@dvig3261 17 дней назад

So much there to work on… First, I would say the atf uses lots of resources to take private property, they can use those resources to return it. Second, to the claim the atf made about not knowing who they stole from, I would say: “Then you will supply property to ANYONE who contacts the atf with a claim. The atf shall purchase items that the citizens claim that were stolen by the atf, no questions asked. Pretty sure the list of names would quickly be found.

@doa445 21 день назад

Is it funny that if you looked at a FRT the ATF comes to your door,

@svbarryduckworth628 22 дня назад

How about simply making yourself a Hoffman Super Safety?

@dougshellusn 21 день назад

I mean, printing them make them nothing more than a range gimmick..metal ones make sense for more full-time use

@svbarryduckworth628 21 день назад

They have metal printers now. Watch the Hoffman video here on their channel. He explains the whole process.

@dougshellusn 21 день назад

@@svbarryduckworth628 99% of makers do not and will never have a metal sls printer. Edit: also, what is "now" they've had metal dmls/sls printer for like 20-25 years now

@svbarryduckworth628 21 день назад

@@dougshellusn congratulations on performing a rudimentary web search to sooth your gormless confirmation bias.

@dougshellusn 21 день назад

@@svbarryduckworth628 lol. I'm literally a mod in the fosscad server.

@KobraKaK 2 дня назад

Yea but like when the fuck is rarebreed going to start selling again?

@TuxPenguino 20 дней назад

So, hypothetically, what happens (if) all seized FRT triggers were already destroyed?

@MountainBikeTx 21 день назад

Is it me or are those some steep a$$ stairs?

@CandyGramForMongo_ 22 дня назад

This means the fraud case against Rare Breed goes away, right?

@robertjones2811 22 дня назад

Wouldn’t M134’s be legal because it’s not technically fully automatic. A button instead of a trigger. Or at least a Forced Reset Button for the M134 would be legal.

@ianmcmahon8589 21 день назад

Forced reset button or button housing seems possible. Either mechanically by adding a cam to a push cable or electronically using a solenoid, a sensor, and a timer circuit. I don’t know if the human thumb moves fast enough for minigun speeds though. From what I remember, the button was determined to be a trigger when a FFL owner of a M134 got busted for something and had the gun at his house. He made the argument that the minigun was a Gatling gun and thus was not a machine gun. Really, semiautomatic browning beltfeds with spade grips should be a first target as the parts cost for a minigun is nuts.

@SlavicCelery 20 дней назад

The button activates the solenoid, which in turn fires multiple rounds without any other action. A trigger doesn't just have to be a trigger shape. Otherwise, we could have full auto thumb triggers. That's a straight MG per the legal definition. If there was a hand crank, that's not a MG, that's a Gatling gun.

@geekchameleon 19 дней назад

As I understand the ATF's arguments, they are claiming that an FRT is a machinegun _not_ because it is a firearm, but because it is a component that transforms a firearm which is not a machinegun into a machinegun. At 5:51, the document shows "[...] And it would also `have to determine whether the owners are otherwise prohibited persons who cannot illegally own a firearm` before `having to contact the owners; and arrange for the return.`" Since an FRT isn't by ANY stretch of imagination a firearm, and the court made it clear that they are NOT machineguns, what makes the ATF believe they have any obligation or authority to delay (or deny) return based upon whether the individual is prohibited from possessing a firearm? They ARE NOT firearms, and ARE NOT machineguns. They aren't firearms any more than a screw or pin used to hold a firearm together is, which means the ATF has no authority to deny returning the item to the person from whom they took it. It is amazing how when an agency demands we act in a short period of time, our "inconvenience" is completely irrelevant, but when a court demands an agency clean up the mess they created, their "inconvenience" is upheld as reason to give them a reprieve and extension. If a judge demand we return the property to a person we stole from, about the only valid excuses for not making it happen in the time ordered by the court would be if we were in jail or the hospital. That we might lose sleep matters not.

@singer6843 21 день назад

Get rekt aft

@mattandrews8528 18 дней назад

Daily reminder that the ATF is in fact gay.

@epiccowboymemes2042 21 день назад

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@ETHRON1 22 дня назад

Just a fyi y t was suppressing Jared's video...wouldn't let it be saved...

@VSO_Gun_Channel 22 дня назад

I think it was a systemic problem. I had an issue this morning as well.

@bobborlog1677 21 день назад

When and where can I buy 3 of them

@TheUsmc0802 21 день назад

How does this impact the case in NY?

@Badboy7357 20 дней назад

Wait a minute! @5:48 of the video about checking if a person is prohibited from owning a firearm before getting the trigger back...are triggers now legally classified as firearms? Not machine guns but is a general trigger now federally, under law, a firearm itself? If not, then why is a background check needed to see if a person is a prohibited person for "just" a trigger? Would that not mean EVERY modern day firearm is actually two in the eyes of the law. The frame/receiver would be a firearm and any trigger it uses would itself be a separate firearm. Why would a person want to own a trigger if they can't own a firearm? It doesn't matter, it is not a firearm and not regulated. It is metal. A paper weight. A fidget toy if is has moveable parts. If a trigger is NOT a firearm, do not allow it to be represented as if it is one. EDIT: Oop, I wrote before finishing the video so I would not loose my thoughts....That was covered. Sorry.

@dougshellusn 21 день назад

Hoffman tactical super safety > FRT

@alexbenford9511 21 день назад

Does this only cover rare breed or is this covering all frts including but not limited to the graves, Alamo 15, and hellfire? Anyone have any insight?

@VSO_Gun_Channel 21 день назад

As of right now, it covers everything because of the vacatur. If the 5th circuit throws out the vacatur then it will only be products sold by rarebreed. Which includes any WOTs they sold. Anything sold by anyone else would not be covered.

@downanddirtytruth 16 дней назад

Hahahahahahahahahaha. gAyTF.

@keeney413 22 дня назад

might have misheard what you read but i understood that point to say the ATF confiscated ENTIRE firearms if they had an FRT installed. with that, they didn’t want to give the whole assembly back to prohibited person.

@charlescarmichael1124 22 дня назад

Still doesn't matter. They had no right to steal it to begin with.

@keeney413 21 день назад

@@charlescarmichael1124 no argument there, was just answering the question he posed.

@stevelyons2744 21 день назад

Are memes considered "irreparable harm"?? 'Cause I'm feeling creative. Only some of the confiscations are unconstitutional? Well ain't that special?

@marcofguzman3075 21 день назад

I think you are on to something that makes lots of sense, there's no background check on parts so that is that 😉

@BUTTER_BOLT 21 день назад

lol so, when and where can a frt be bought?

@TriggeredPufferfish 21 день назад

@BUTTER_BOLT wait it out till Rarebreed production is back up and running. It's only fair that you give them your money in support, considering they went on the line for our rights and have taken huge losses in money doing so

@dakotadingo9083 19 дней назад

Imagine if: all the money and effort spent enabling BigGun to sell you 2A guys "toys" was instead put towards investing in the youth of this country. As it stands right now, firearms remain the leading cause of death for 18 and under.

@shojus 22 дня назад

🇺🇸🇺🇸

@EthosAtheos 21 день назад

I'm not sure I follow the prohibited persons argument. Triggers are gun parts, as far as I can tell and please correct me if I'm wrong. The law preventing felons from owning guns doesn't apply to gun parts. There is no transfer here, its a gun part.

@DigitalApex 21 день назад

It's because the ATF also took entire firearms that had the triggers installed, they didn't take just the triggers in some cases.

@coastalpoodlerescue 21 день назад

😊😊👍👍

@dennispeltier6142 21 день назад

😊😊😊😊😊

@dukeladderman1938 18 дней назад

Jazz hands. Very flamboyant fella aren’t ya.

@FraterMikhail 22 дня назад

12k people really gave their shit up?

@DigitalApex 21 день назад

Wait until you see how many people registered pistol braces on their rifles last year.

@KelTek-KT 21 день назад

"A gun is a device designed to propel a projectile using pressure or explosive force." Ah yes, a trigger is the definition mentioned above. Source Definition: Wikipedia