ATHEIST Scientist STUNNED by William Lane Craig on God and Science-EPIC Debate  

Professing to be wise, they became fools

For this guy to say science can explain everything should lose him his academic credentials. No true scientist would ever make such a statement.

"Science can account for everything". Okay scientists, time to find a new career. You have nothing left to do. We've got it all figured out.

"Science is omnipotent"--Professor Atkins This is the fundamental axiom of atheism, and it is self-evident nonsense.

John 9v39 sight to the blind and blindness to those who think they can see

Science exists only to explain what already exist, not to tell you what is Truth or not.

It is notable in this exchange that Lane Craig listens and then responds. The other fellow interrupts.

Its actually the atheist that desperately wants to believe atheism is true. This way they can do what they want and never have to worry about facing God.

Wonderful argumentation! GREAT!

Atkins is an excellent example of the man who only has a hammer, so he thinks everything looks like a nail. His response to Craig here is sadly inadequate. Both he and Dawkins have publicly stated that *no* evidence would ever convince them that God exists.

No one could stand on broken legs. Duh

This guy should never be allowed to teach. Even scientists today even struggle with "bare basic", such as second law of thermodynamics(or not), strings or not, or awakness. And this dude had it all figured out back then? Marvelous

I love how Gods actions in the universe are so reliable that we can do consistent science! Praise Jesus

Atkins is blunt and to the point....and right!

He looked ancient 30 years ago.

And that dude is one of the most famous atheist thinkers my friends... a guy that says nonsense, such as the belief of a science that can explain everything: this speaks for itself...

Prof Atkins treaded well out of his area of knowledge. Dr. Craig, indeed schooled him.

Wlc left me speechless in his conversation with alex o connor.

more modern day people love the golden calf more than actual God, even though we have the story about the golden calf and how it is wrong.

I don't believe in a God. However, I do believe in a creative force. But not a bloke sat on a cloud.

Whether I agree with William Lane Craig on any issue, I wish I had a fraction of his debate skills.

Amen.

Science cannot account for the existence of the universe. Now in the future it very well could explain how energy comes from non energy, but right now there is no sound explanation for that phenomenon. It's either a mystery or a creator willed it into being.

Answers to Some Questions Individuals May Have 1) Why would God need blood sacrifices as an answer for sins which he already knew would happen? Answer: As God knows the end from the beginning The Son was going to come down and become a man born from a VIRGIN woman that would be implanted with the SEED from THE HOLY GHOST. When Jesus Christ was born - not only was he born for the sake of the Adam race, but as an answer to the Angels - especially the Fallen Angels. The idea of 'sacrifice' and 'sacrifices' are not just animals getting slaughtered, but when the individual would cause the animal to be slaughtered - it would be felt by the one allowing his beast to be sacrificed. The beast is slaughtered, and the one who is having his beast sacrificed feels the 'pain' of 'sacrificing' one of his best beasts. It comes with a price to the one doing the sacrifice. When the people would sacrifice to God they were to put their heart into it. And there were/are many different sacrifices that were done. So God knew beforehand that man would sin; and he knew that there would be Fallen Angels as well. With the sacrifices, the innocent beasts that were sacrificed paid the price of the one sacrificing them. When they would sacrifice many of the sacrifices required, the one sacrificing the beast would put his hand on the head of the beast as if he were transferring himself to the beast. The beast was then sacrificed. All these animal sacrifices were a 'Type' of what was going to eventually occur in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ which was going to occur. When Jesus Christ was sacrificed he did it as not only as a man, but as a servant. As a Burnt Offering he wholly gave himself to his FATHER. As the TRESPASS and SIN OFFERINGS he was the ONE in which represented the Adam race: he paid the price. When he was in the process of his earthly ministry he was in complete obedience to The Father and was led by The Holy Ghost. Jesus Christ sacrificed himself 'ALONE' on that cross - and therefore he cried out Psalm 22:1 "My God, My God Why hast Thou Forsaken Me?" The Angels nor the Prophets understood what was taking place on that cross. The Devil himself did not understand. If the Devil would have known that the Death of Jesus Christ was going to be a victory, then the Devil would have done his part in trying to influence the people to keep him alive. When Jesus Christ died, he offered himself up to God as the Burnt Offering, the Atonement Sacrifice, and all of the Sin and Trespass Offerings that were required by men. He conquered DEATH, the DEVIL, and HELL when he died, was buried, and resurrected from the dead as he foretold his disciples - and as he told the people. God was pleased with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. God accepted what Jesus Christ offered for himself to God; and what Jesus Christ offered for the Adam race to God. God was pleased. The Angels, good and bad saw this. They did not know that God was going to use the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ be an answer of salvation to the Adam race of all that have been, are, and will be saved. This was God's plan unbeknownst to the Angels and unbeknownst to the Prophets foretelling of the sacrifice. The Blood Sacrifices came with a price for all that had sacrificed to God - and God also FELT the sacrifice. Now this act by the Godhead was for Angels and Man to see; and possibly any other creature that God created as well. 2) Why punish the Adam race for Adam's sin? Answer: Adam had free will just like the Angels, but fell. Unlike many Scholars and Theologians saying that we all have 'Free Will' - I have to disagree. The Children of Adam all started off with 'Sin' in their genealogy. Adam did not suffer that, but his descendants did. With The Lake of Fire and Brimstone that was prepared for The Devil and his Angels was/is also used for the unsaved individuals of the Adam race. Adam tried to cover his nakedness with palm leaves, but The Lord replaced it with 'coats of skin' - animal sacrifice, God clothed them (The Man and the Woman). With Adam's answer for his nakedness he used palm leaves to hide his nakedness. This is a kind of answer that Man may use for his actions - and it might be called, 'religion'. God's answer was 'Sacrifice'. When Man sins, it does affect God. Man's answers for his own sins does not please God, but God's answer... is the answer. In the Western World 'especially' in this day, people don't care to be 'told' or 'instructed' what to do - and to 'obey authority'. God wants obedience. The Fallen Angels with their 'Free Will' did not want to 'Obey' - and they have their destination. The Adam race does not have the 'free will', but they have the 'Sacrifice' that is accepted by God. There is a final destination with The Fallen Angels... or to be saved. To us, the 'time element' might be long - but to God - 'time' has no power over him. The people 'before' the cross had to have 'Animal Sacrifices' until Jesus Christ - and God did and does the accepting. So obedience and responsibility was/is required by the Adam race. People may not be happy about this, but God is The Creator - and he decides. 3) If Jesus is God why would he have to die, but if he really can't die? Answer: He did not die as GOD, he died as a man. As a man, he represented the Adam Race... he often referred to himself as the Son of Man (Adam). Refer to Psalm 22:1) My God, My God...why hast thou forsaken me? Before he died, he told his disciples and he even told the people that he would raise again from the dead. He did. I also believe that God cannot die. Just as Mary is the mother of the Man Jesus Christ and NOT the Mother of God - God does not have a mother. In that same thought, God cannot die, and neither The Angels. 4) Why would God act shocked that humans are going to sin even though he knew they would anyway? Even though God knew that Man would sin with and without help from The Enemy, he still felt the unpleasantness. 5) How could God be all-loving if he's going to send 75% or so of all mankind to hell? Answer: Yes, God is the one that decides. He is the one that will either Accept the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ for those that are saved or he will Not Accept the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ for their sins that are not saved. It is up to God. He knows Man better than Man knows himself. Also, God is Loving - but God is also Holy and Righteous. 6) Also, why would many of these people suffer to be born in a wrong country and/or a wrong time? Answer: Again, everything is in God's plan. In the capsule of time that God has set - every thing has its part to play. With everything that has and will occur God has a reason - and part of the reason is to be acknowledged by Angels both good and bad, and by the Adam race: saved and unsaved. This is a long answer for your questions, but hopefully you understand my answers.

I pity all those Chemistry students who had to read Atkins books. I just hope they weren’t all circular logic.

Science explains much of the HOW...whereas God explains the other questions, especially the WHY. Why do we exist, what is our purpose on earth, where do we go after we die?

Said the fool in his mind, there is no God: The Bible.

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* ("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE." "Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.") *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

Christians are not desperate to believe in God. We find that path or we don't. Even when we find the path it takes us far less reading to believe than Dawkins does to not believe. It's sad he has to do so much research to try to justify his belief and not be happy or contended.

Good Lord, it’s Bill Buckley!

And he is a professor?

If we do a scientific survey on The testimony of supernatural experiences made by people. Would it be scientific proof of a spiritual realm?

Science can account for everything .....when ?

Science cannot explain logic, reason, mathematics without a mind. Science presupposes these things in order to DO science. Christians can account for this - the Creator/God.

Science explains many things. Religion explains nothing.

Engineering and mechanics account for how a car works. So I don't believe in Henry Ford.

God just like leprechauns doesn't exist...it's something that a human mind created....that is all....no loving or evil creator...only indifference and nothingness

I too have been by the smarminess of WLC

Science is omnipotent? Any Atheist here have an opinion on this?

You know, watching the same people debating for decades over the same stuff with the same argumentatiob, I come to the conclusion that intellectual debates won't persuade anyone. The truth is witnessed through living and acting according to it, not so much proven intellectually. Even if we assume that somebody is actually persuaded, faith will not take roots in this person's heart unless they see an example, unless, as the monks say in Mount Athos, they see the light of eternity shining through someone else's eyes.

This kind of Bullcrap discussions never go anywhere.....stick to hard science of observations, measurements and explanations.....

How on earth could Atkins describe himself as intelligent?

The Worm squirms...

Science can explain the how and perhaps in some cases the why, but NOT always. That's why there is a first cause of everything that exists.

Science accounts for everything? And then later on says science does not account for everything…

Whats crazy rather it be whatever God or higher power is all the evidence in past cultures of witchcraft and of fallen angels(nephlim).Not alone the historical evidence of the old testament with Solomon.What about the esoteric/occult institutions like the golden dawn/freemason/Rosicrucian etc.All must admit belief in a celestial deity

In (say) 1872 an argument For the Atheist/Materials view based on what was known though science could be made. Alas (for Peter) This is no longer The Case.

Where is the rest of this - I think it is the one where WLC is called "so ignorant" and gets laughed at. Could be another one. Running the same moronic shtick for 20-30 years, unreal.

Testimony here is that there is only that which cannot be named or spoken.the personal God person belief is a belief only

It’s wonderful that something created energy, mater space time to evolve over a billions of years into complex life who is now debating if that something exists or not…

Believers use the Third Man fallacy to escape all argument.

To see adults debate about the existence of gods is hilarious! I smoke weed...but what drugs are they on?

The purpose of the bible is to restore our relationship with God, not so much explain reality in scientific way. God is and that is that. Part of initiating that relationship is knowing that God is there he acts in this world, he cares for us and he loves us. That understanding is better had through faith, it can only be had through faith.

The problem Professor Atkins has is that he is wrong 🙏

Ahh, there it is, the atheist's all-too-often favorite dialectic tactic: insulting their opponent. It's as if while they are laying out their argument, they realize how inferior it is, and they lash out in irritation.

Most of these atheistic debaters seem to be thinking of the god of the gasps!😢

Still no witness here, after decades with the church, no personal God testimony atheistism has its foundation in quicksand.samefor any Christianity belief in a person God person

Even the best scientists can't explain what gravity is ( how an object with mass generates an gravitational field). Or where does an original thought come from in your brain? In the case of gravity, God created a force associated with mass. In the second case God made us in His image that gives us sentience

How us? Nobody can answer that question.

Only God can account for everything. Jesus Christ is King and Lord and no amount of science or atheism will change that fundamental truth. I forgot the exact words of the quote but it roughly went like this.. "God is the answer to why things work, science is the answer to how they work." In other words science is not the answer to everything but it is a method by which we can use to help us try to understand God's creation.

Romans 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable. Even if science could explain everything where did the everything come from in the first place.

Why was that devil still cut in?

Atkins trying to appear as an authority but only succeeds in exposing his ignorance

Both are unreal dreamers in an unreal dream.what cannot be dreamt?

Crazy how Craig even has a viewer base these days. He's been so thoroughly picked apart, it's amazing lol

Trying to justify the belief in GOD with BS arguments is a Disrespect to GOD. Craig usings a forked toungue in all of his videos. His points a bogus got ya's. The ALL MIGHTY DOESN'T Need you to lie on his behalf.

Why is william lane craig going after science when he should be going after people predisposed to believing assertions based in myth and fable. There are billions of people prone to believing this kind of stuff.Yet william lane craig cannot convince The great majority of them to convert with his rhetoric.Why is this?

Most people who believe in religion do so because they are taught/indoctrinated to do so. Likewise some people are Atheist for the same reason. I can only ever remember (and I can remember down to about age 2) being what I now know to be Atheist. My parents encouraged their children to make there own minds - my brother and I Atheist, my sister a nominal "C of E", but I suspect a good chunk of that was so she could married in a church! The more I observed the universe, the more Atheist I have become - nothing, absolutely nothing points to the existence of any supernatural beings. Having learned a little of how our brains work, I now understand that many people are simply hardwired into believing religion, in a way I would find completely illogical.

Well narrated. But how foolish does our oxford professorly friend appear when he blinded states that science can prove ALL things. What about any emotion ? Can science prove you are even happy ? Is happiness therefore unsound ? How foolish is this? This is not science. It is the misuse of science.

Mr Atkins the God who controls the universe will be your judge. Got Almighty created science That's nothing new to him.

It is evil for a god or for anyone else to force someone into the type of existence that they'll hate to exist in.

One day we will get a fair debate where the video maker does not cut in at vital moments. Nobody looked "stunned" to me.

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Whenever a religious person is asked for evidence or proof of their religion they always seem to delve into unprovable philosophical arguments and commit the same circular logic they accuse science of committing.

Would any of the religious like to first define what a god is .

We are born as atheists and some are taught to believe in fairytales. The burden of proof is on the people that believe in the fairytales!

Until you have proof that your god actually exists, you don’t have an argument. It’s like arguing that a child’s toy is real.

Scientists often like to but science in the place of God because that makes them the high priests. It is idolatry.

Craig believes that a man in the sky is watching and controlling everything.

Lane Craig, usual story…once brainwashed, always brainwashed.

Low bar Bill has never produced an iota of credible evidence for his god. Probably sold a few books though. Grifting off his fantasies, great job Bill.

God or gods do not exist. Only humans' imagination exists. Greek had imagination of particular god. Hindu has another idea. Shinto teaching has another idea.

Craig isn't a scientist so he is the last person to be talking about science! He is a theologian! He has no training in evolutionary biology palaeontology anthropology astrophysics and cosmology Yet people think he is an expert in science! Where are his scientific papers! He is s believer who can progress us nowhere! How does he know he has the right God! Also John Lennox is not a scientist trained in the fields he talks about yet people think he is an expert in these fields! When Crsig and Lennox get off their backsides and prove God then great! Also Craig and Lennox see design, so all the rapists paedophiles murderers and killers were all created then according to these two!

Sadly, believing in Deity hasn’t brought out the best in people. Let’s try something else.

Weird how the bible specifically tells people they need to believe on faith All the people trying to prove god are basically heretics😂