@@BelugaTheSmartCattrue bhai they think ki they will be rewarded in the end after dying like if this was a computer game or some sh*t dude they literally think this life is meaningless and think we will go to jannat jannah or heaven whatever it is and they say we will spend our life there for the rest of the eternity and they just give a message that you don’t have to do anything in this life in this precious 80-90 years ☠️☠️ konse drugs lete hai bhai ye theists
People are so emotionally dependent on the concept of God..they have become so emotionally needy for it that they are afraid to leave their delusion despite deep down in their heart knowing actually that there is no evidence of God & it might *actually not exist*
@barnaliadhikary9421 "People are so emotionally dependent [...] there is no evidence of God & it might actually not exist" =============================== I agree with you. I think that in many cases, god-believers WANT it to be true that there exists an omnipotent, benevolent, sentient being on whom they can depend. Further, I think that their desire that such an entity exists, becomes an important part of what they identify themselves as.
@@tattvamashi "Fear of Jahannum and Greed of Jannat (72hoors) " =================== Yes, correct... *AND ALSO* greed for the mirage of moksha and fear of supposed rebirth. 🤣
I agree with u completely. Being a former muslim myself I know how what morality means to a true fundamentalist muslim🤣. Its's useless to make rebuttal video against this apologists they r so brainwashed that ap inke brain ko washing machine me bhi daal do to bhi nahi saaf hoga.
2:35 Believe me Vimoh, your style of speaking and your arguments make for the smoothest mic drop moment I've ever seen. I'm a Muslim by birth (atheist by choice), so I'm usually biased to these idiots. But man I have never seen a person who debates more politely than you. Love your videos❤
Brother I am also a Muslim and I have no problem with any atheist untill They don't speak rubbish about our religion. Because we Muslims are taught make friends with those who don't Fight against you.
@@Zeeshanzaid131this is a reaction video bro and vimoh brokedown this person very politely and I don't think anything is about to get offend coz this is what they both youtuber do 'share their view on others' so if u don't want to get hurt then for sure just simply accept god and stop thinking about it , but if u wanna know about god then u have to question
@@aspirant-kf4qq yes brother I like the way vimoh sir shows their view. But brother I know the truth that's God exist . Because Science Can't find out How the world was created. But In quran everything is mentioned. only you need to understand those meanings properly.
@@Zeeshanzaid131 science has found that world is created by big bang and I also agree with this theory as it makes sense to me rather than religious stories. But i will like if u mention verses of Quran which claim same, so I can reply you after knowing what u actually understood frm the book
@@Zeeshanzaid131 u also claimed that u know truth so I will love to know ur sources but make sure that its not just ur childhood attachment with ur religion coz of which u r accepting stories and don't want to hurt yourself by knowing that u have believed in hypothetical stories which ur parents and environment taught u
You're just projecting your preconceived notions about religion without understanding the basics. Why is anything good or bad if nothing about the world tells us how we OUGHT to be? Why can't you answer the question straightforwardly?
@@jostnamane3951 nothing about the world tells us how we ought to be. Science wont tell that. society creates rules so that it may sustain itself. A society that normalizes murder can't sustain itself for long. Thats why we have laws. Legal laws are prescriptive laws, humans make them based on what values they accept in society to be acceptable for society's cohesion. What science discovers is descriptive laws. Descriptive laws are the ones that exist in nature itself we can only discover them not invent them.
@@Lemon-lp1qb The question isn't about what society does, it's about what society IS. If there's no objective way to define what society IS then the whole system of value judgment falls apart and what is left is moral relativism.
@@jostnamane3951what society IS, is decoded by what it and each individual in it chooses to do. And there is objective criteria for judgement of what it chooses to do. And that criteria is social cohesion. So those values are ought be acceptable that increases social cohesion inclusively.
@@Lemon-lp1qb I'm sorry but how is social cohesion an objective criterion? Even if we accept that Social cohesion IS an objective criterion then... is the Aztec practice of Child sacrifice morally right? The Aztec civilization just like any other civilization was built upon shared values, which is "normativity from shared values" It still doesn't answer the question, how can you derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way? (Not from shared values which is subjective).
He was right. Argument sun ke pata chal jata hai ki followers kyu nahi hain? Andhbhakti nahi chalti na logical analysis main. Vimoh's audience doesn't even take vimoh's words for face value without analysing.
@@abusalim49 wo to mere bhi ho jayengae agar mae bola islam sach hai mae convert to islam ho gya. Are bhaiya quality aur quantity mae farq hota hai. Gandhon ko thodi na pta hai ki wo kidher ja rhe
Sir, I really hope that all Indians could hear your arguments... not that because I want them to be atheist, but to have the understanding that religion, God is a personal thing, nobody can claim what they believe is the ultimate truth, and others are false. If 2 ppls personal believes don't match, they still can coexist, peacefully.. humanity is the only truth.. and religion is a personal thing....
@@Pantheist2602 no, I don't. Life doesn't have any meaning, we are species who are in a food chain. We either eat others or get eaten. We are in survival mode. That's how nature works
Osho said " It is not a question of God - I do not believe in believing. My approach is to know, and knowing is a totally different dimension. It starts from doubt, it does not start from believing. The moment you believe in something you have stopped inquiring. Belief is the most important thing to destroy human intelligence. All religions are based on believing, only science is based on doubt. And i would like the religious inquiry to also be scientific."
Hi Vimoh just wanted to ask if you could make such videos public. Live streams should be members only but videos so much informative like these, needs to be accessible to everyone
Moon splitting is a whole another issue. Though one doesn’t need to prove miracles individually. But yeah moon splitting can be proved through historical data/evidences/witnesses.
@@SkepticalScribe3940 wait you're saying you can prove that with evidence & historical facts? Please don't hold back. I'm waiting for your set of proofs. I hope it's not he said she said bs for sake of my sanity.
Hi vimoh, as an ex muslim I want to tell you that his claims about perfect chains of Narration are non sense. Shia don't believe in Sunni hadeeth and Sunni don't believe in Shia narrations
Wow, nice video. I don't know if I learnt a few things or not but definitely enjoyed the whole video. Witty replies by Vimoh, I must say how you present logic and in some way your rhetoric inspires me. Thank you so much.😊
If god existed and he wanted to let the people know of his existence he wouldn't have had to send these covert operatives in the form of prophets or sages, he could've literally written it in the sky for everyone to read! or telekinetically transferred this knowledge directly to everyone!!
these "theists" love to talk about morality while at the same time they'll be calling queer ppl s1nners and objectifying women all in the same breath; btw absolutely loved the way you said live long and prosper, lmao
@@sarthakgothalyan8952 whatever !! PPL can have viewpoints LGBTQ+ and the conflict is about the poor and have nots atleast be problem if they don't have children others might be burdened to have more than 1 or 2 kids etc get out of your comfort thought process and be proper
Vimoh, multiverse is philosophical concept. There's no theoretical or experimental proofs of multiverse. It arises from interpretation of quantum mechanics and compatibility of string theory. They are technically philosophical/metaphysical notion.
There is no Allah; There is no Rasul UL Allah! There is no God; There is no Child of God! There is no Bhagwan; There is no Avatar of Bhagwan! The creator is not God; The God is not Creator! Long Live Atheism! Long Live Atheism!! Long Live Atheism!!!
Atheismaaya Namaha! Atheism O Akbar! The Atheism, The Skepticisim and The Unholy Rationalism! ~ My small attempt to counter specific religious chants. 😛
Religious people already mistakenly call atheism a religion. Please don't make it worse by giving atheism religious attributes like chants and slogans. Our objective should be to spread awareness about pseudoscience and superstition in society and guide theists to a more rational worldview through compassionate debates and discussions. Chanting atheistic slogans and using a "chest-thumping" approach to attack religion doesn't help at all! In fact, it just makes us look like one of them! Vimoh said this on a livestream once 😬
So their objectives morality depends totally upon an authority called Allah... So if that authority or Allah commands them to murder a certain group of people or sexually harass them or enslave or torture them, will they accept it as objective morality and fulfill the commands without reconsideration???
Still better than having a morality that has no base and changes person to person and no, Allah doesn't command us to murder or sexually harass or enslave anyone .
As a born muslim for 25 years and became an agnostic for 15 years now, I can understand the problem with most born Muslims since they are brainwashed about religion since 4 years old, it would be very difficult for them to think critically about non existence of Allah.
I was an atheist for 9years, now I follow Sanatan Dharma for a reason...but my thought is as same as atheist but no one can give guarantee if god exists or not. But I also don't like this guy he always try to make fun of other religions 😂 and then say Islam is peaceful religion 😂 You really roasted his bad jokes
Come to Christ of you care about your salvation. I was a Hindu and then I found Christ and now I have a new meaning to life. Not only I have come to know the true God but also how to have salvation
@@danielhunter1773 Go save Christ on "gems of Christianity" before trying to convert others , hell even Muslims defeated Christians on debate like how can someone be defeated by Muslims in a religious debate 💀
@@danielhunter1773 for following Christianity you have to reject the ideas of Hinduism, otherwise you're both. Cuz we can't tell which one is true among thousands of religion. So if you're following two then it's ok and normal but I am good with Hinduism cuz Mughal empire banned Sanskrit and destroyed historical sites and temples therefore hindus stopped talking Sanskrit, they destroyed our books but Brahman kept it alive in their mind therefore we have still information about hinduism but cuz of past incidents out parents are not able to tell about our religion perfectly and that's why I became an atheist but now I know God looking an animal is not illogical cuz god doesn't look like humans but we look like them, even animals and microorganisms. And there is only 1 or 3 god: Brahama Vishnu and Mahesh They're forms of god therefore you can say they're one. And I can follow the peace of Christianity but I don't believe Jesus is god
Reacting to these videos just makes it longer and longer and we never get to reach the end of it. Just like controversies, they kind of never actually end coz they just reply to eachother and it makes it long and long. I think it would be great if u talk to these popular religious dudes in a livestream, with those religious dudes who have a great influence then ur voice can be reached and everyone could see the reality. I mean u make a video about him and people will be like yeah he makes a good point and then he replies to ur reply and people say that yeah he too makes a kind of good point. So debating with them in a livestream could end all of the confusion at once and i surely know u gonna be winning the debate.
I have a question pls answer I will wait, is there any legal way to quit religion in India? Like there are legal way to change ones religion but I don't find any way to quit religion. Pls answer
@@playboy3408 Atheism is not legally recognized in India. You can convert to another one. But you can't be without religion in india. So just don't accept any religion...
Actually most people deep down already know that there is no God. They are just not ready or they have hold onto it for so long that, it will be like throwing their entirety away. For which they are no ready yet. Just the fact that they do things that technically go against their religion yet they maintain their belief despite breaking it regularly.
Isn't it funny that when people argue about atheists lacking morality, they unintentionally show why the idea of God exists as a way to discourage wrongdoing? not because there is a god 😂
vimoh, an intersting point the buddhist philosophers used the same arguments against nyayikas (hindu thiest), when you said you don't have any frame of reference to support the claim god created the universe where as the athiest has plenty of evidence to show that its a human being who has made his hair. Naiyayikas bring forward to establish the existence of God: the earth and so on have an agent because they are effects The Buddhists argued that there is no invariable concomitance between having an intelligent agent and being an effect in general. Such a concomitance pertains only to that class of things which, although one has not seen them being made by someone, are such that when seen, after having been made, one immediately knows that they have been made by someone.
Hey Bimoh I'm a Muslim, Thiest beleive in one Spureme power. I got his video on my timeline and I started watching, The moment he laughed about your sub count I stopped the video. I have my own understanding about theism and atheism
1-If someone makes a claim, they must provide evidence, logic, and reasons behind it. So, if religious individuals assert the existence of God, they need to substantiate it. Without evidence, countering a claim becomes challenging. 2- Regarding objective morality, morality isn't exclusive to theists or atheists. A theist who prays daily can engage in immoral actions. Numerous examples show religion driving people to commit immoral acts like terrorism , bombing,killing, Lynching in the name of religion,challenging the whole idea of objective morality. On homosexuality, as a medical student, I can affirm that scientific understanding portrays homosexuality as normal. It's not a contagious disease, and influencing someone's sexuality is unfounded. Sexuality and gender are distinct, with two genders and multiple sexualities. Concerning nudity, supporting the freedom of choice in clothing doesn't mean atheists roam naked. Expecting everyone to adhere to a specific dress code is impractical. Nudity is wrongly associated with women, and the claim of protection contradicts instances of violence , rape and exploitation against women. 3- "Aurto aur bacho ko nahi kattal karo" - No one advocates harming women and children. If someone hadn't stated it , would you condone harming them? Basic morality dictates refraining from taking another's life; claiming that it's only because someone said so questions your own moral compass. Agar xyz nhi bolta to tum aurat aur bacho ko maar dete right? 4- Analyzing the world map, regions with higher religious populations often correlate with increased crime rates, corruption including violence against women. Some atheist countries, with higher happiness rankings, demonstrate that religion doesn't guarantee societal harmony. In conclusion, religion and God, being man-made,If religion were solely about God, it might not lead to such societal issues but it contributes to societal chaos through superstitions, illogical beliefs, inter-religious animosity, and the exploitation of women.
There are two technical terms that will help you vimoh, you can use the term 'sample space'. Because we don't have a lot of universe to compare if perfect order only leads to evolution or something like that. That means that our sample space is limited. Second is 'inter-subjective reality.' If something is not objective that doesn't mean that its subjective. It can also be inter-subjective. And morality is an inter-subjective thing. Great video by the way, sound logic provided.
@Vimoh : I watched Pranav's reaction yesterday and now your own, and I must appreciate you for the abundant patience you have. You literrally had to teach morality, societal rules to someone whose IQ is probably in single digit. Im glad to have found people like you, Pranav and Himanshu on RU-vid. We really need you.
@@jennifersangma8766Morality is a set of rules human beings have created to hold society together. If we use harm as a filter then anything that doesn't harm other people is moral, otherwise it's immoral. You don't harm others because if you did, it will affect the person you harmed, affect his close friends and family, affect members of the society in the sense that they'll trust you less or might want to seek revenge/justice by resorting to legal action etc. Imagine a 100-member tribe living in pre-historic times when no religion existed. If 50 out of those 100 were murderers, then that tribe wouldn't survive for long. Morality is what has prevented human societies from falling apart and it's kept us going and growing since the beginning of our time. We need each other to survive and grow, so we don't hurt each other. You don't need any religious text to teach you morality, it's just common sense! Hope that made sense! I can't start a debate in the replies because I'm busy in real life. Thanks and have a good day 👋
@@jennifersangma8766 Morality is a set of rules human beings have created to hold society together. If we use harm as a filter then anything that doesn't harm other people is moral, otherwise it's immoral. You don't harm others because if you did, it will affect the person you harmed, affect his close friends and family, affect members of the society in the sense that they'll trust you less or might want to seek revenge/justice by resorting to legal action etc. Imagine a 100-member tribe living in prehistoric times when no religion existed. If 50 out of those 100 were murderers, then that tribe wouldn't survive for long. Morality is what has prevented human societies from falling apart and we've managed to live and grow since the beginning of our time. We need each other to survive and grow, therefore we don't hurt each other. You don't need any religious text to teach you morality, it's just common sense! Hope that made sense! I can't start a debate in the replies because I'm busy in real life. Thanks and have a good day 👋
@jennifersangma8766 Morality is a set of rules human beings have created to hold society together. If we use harm as a filter then anything that doesn't harm other people is moral, otherwise it's immoral. You don't harm others because if you did, it will affect the person you harmed, affect his close friends and family, affect members of the society in the sense that they'll trust you less or might want to seek revenge/justice by resorting to legal action etc. Imagine a 100-member tribe living in prehistoric times when no religion existed. If 50 out of those 100 were murderers, then that tribe wouldn't survive for long. Morality is what has prevented human societies from falling apart and we've managed to live and grow since the beginning of our time. We need each other to survive and grow, therefore we don't hurt each other. You don't need any religious text to teach you morality, it's just common sense! Hope that made sense! I can't start a debate in the replies because I'm busy in real life. Thanks and have a good day 👋
Even though I'm a muslim right now , but to me vimoh is better than half of the population jo bas kisi relegion ke saath paida ho gyi h aur usko defend kr rhi h kyunki wo un titles ke saath paida hue h , like why doesn't everyone wants to seek into things
bro I get why you're saying that.however their fitrah is dead , their heart is dead. Don't look at faces and words of these people , they are too much in kufr and transgression.
41:00: wtf he literally said if a person is an atheist he will become more selfish. What if I say that the more a person in devoted to islam the more extremist he becomes. If he can say that, i too can say this. But it is very rude. And he is hypocritic
Morality is for social interaction and development of harmony maintenance. Religion adherence does not make any one less immoral than nonadherence. Good and bad manners and characters are uniformly distributed. Every society has good and bad irrespective of faith specificity.