Would be great to see a come back of the inline 6. Their new V6s are pretty strong, imagining a smoother one with more displacement and if they were able to keep up the same power per displacement with their current technology that'd mean it would be 390HP N/A out of the box. Would be quite the motor to throw into a lot of vehicles.
@@sigmaprojects they just had that engine developed and sitting there already. What a combo. have an N/A and turbo version. V6's just aren't sexy. They lack the rumble of the V8 and the smooth wizz of the I6. The import tuner crowed may have been interested because it would be like the Nissan RB engine or the 2JZ or the BMW N54 but at half the cost. Oh well, they didn't ask us
@@genxunclekey The issue was mostly engine height for cars, was easier to package the V6 and V8s vs that inline 6. At least that was part of the reason they said they didn't do it. Maybe if they had a short deck version like a 3.0 or 3.2L inline 6 for the cars would have been nice. I personally would rather see the inline 6 over the V6 models myself. Especially moving forward for all their trucks they make with the whole Atlas program of 4, 5 and 6 cylinders sharing parts and systems.
Such a clean build. Your Dad and Mom are such an asset to the whole show. Haven't seen Mom for awhile but heard her voice behind the camera at the line. Your Dad seems so friendly, funny and knowlegeable, and you seem like the perfect greahead brainiac, it all makes it really fun to watch. Isure miss the coolest Stude..
It was super amazing getting to meet you guys at the event and see these cars in action. The All American Supra sounded super incredible and it was always a joy to watch it fly down the track.
Thank you for the data overlays! That's so interesting to see! What's especially fascinating is how much faster the air temps rise when under full load vs trying to build boost off the line!
yeah i agree, put a slick on there and see how the car likes it unless you can make the rear separate, but i don't know anythng about independent rear and adjusting antisquat
Calvin...I love the whole build concept. I have always been the guy that takes the unbeaten path, always making it more difficult and expensive on myself. However the payoff cant be beat when successful. The Atlas platform has grabbed my attention and is next on my bucket list. I have access to a 92 formula firebird roller that was a low 4 second outlaw 275 car. Everything is there with the exception of the power plant. I would love to see how far the Atlas can be pushed in a chassis of that caliber. Im 99% sure that this will happen. We would love to have your input and Atlas expertise along the way with the ECU situation. Love the Atlas content.....thanks!!¡!
Duuuude,.. the 'Clifford' inspired shirt!! Clifford HyperPak equipped Slant Six owner here. :) A 'Six Shooters' race meet, 4200's, Slants, Ford 300's, 2JZ's and RB30's would be unique, and MoPar's twin turbo Hurricane six would fit right in, dropped in to a modern Challenger or '60's Barracuda.
I love the real time data that is superimposed on each run!!! I find it very interesting having tuned cars in the past. Keep it up! We love what y’all are doing!
Wow! That sounds so good going down the track. Right now I'm in a position to buy a "roller" '17 Camaro SS . Never thought about going this route with the engine, but man, really liking it so far. Maybe I could get with you guys at beaver springs sometime this year. This ride is so cool !!
Hey guys love the video always rooting for you to improve your ET. Absolutely love you're using the atlas platform in the Camaro the true American Supra LOL
S550 mustangs with IRS seem to be fine with radials and cutting 1.4S and better. They too have the issue of squat vs separation. Stiffer springs with compression jacked up on adjustable shocks fixes it.
I agree. It looked like the front of the car started a little high, was not lifting as much as it could, and the lift it had was happening too quick. It broke loose as soon as the front stopped traveling up. The independent rear suspension may not be able to support the power as it is. They might need to use a solid axle and a 4-link to progress. They will be able to go as quick as their wallet will let them.
@@geneolson6618 leroy with its irs has been as fast as 8.26 four times in a row so i dont think thats the issue. rebel is right. just needs tuning in the shocks cause the atlas 4200 isnt even making over 1000 horsepower yet.(and yes there are some 1000+ horsepower cars that run irs and do just fine.)
@@jackmagnium6115 The IRS is the weak point of the suspension. They can get faster with the IRS, but ultimately, it will need to be swapped out to more easily control the swat. Different shocks will help as you said and I agree with both of you on this. Leroy had a ton of money thrown at it, transmissions, differentials, axels, etc. to make it viable. They just as well skip that money and put the money into a solid axle now.
@@jackmagnium6115 Leroy's first 7 came on the IRS setup, they didn't switch to the straight axle setup until much later. Hilariously, they threw radials at it and had a jury-rigged no-lift shift system in place before they decided to break out the hacksaw and went to town.
@@geneolson6618 Half of Leroy's shenanigans happened with blown-out shocks and a near-stock rear end. It wasn't until they pushed into the 7's that they were forced to start throwing money at the problem, and even then most of those issues were caused by Leroy being a stick shift car. Just look at Ruby; she's gone low 7's on essentially a factory IRS setup, pulled 1.1x 60-ft times, and was launching so absurdly hard she eventually ripped the frame open at the suspension mounting points. For how much power the 4200 currently makes, IRS is more than enough, it just needs better tuning, and a set of shocks is significantly cheaper than swapping out an entire rear end.
A nice 4 link would help Ike you said decent tires. I've been following your channel The fact you're sacrificing in the name of science with all the custom mods I hope you guys can monetize your channel soon. Good luck
Loving the telemetry on screen. Literally could help ya tune your car with that data. First thing is, need less timing in the launch control to bring the boost up much quicker. Next quick thing i noticed is the ign dwell is pretty lengthy... its fine if your coilpacks are handling it but not really necessary to lean on em that hard unless you absolutely have to 🙌👊 love the build
I've tried multiple boost building strategies with the timing. Need the timing to get it to the two step, then take it away to build some boost. It would not take anymore off the line. We proved that multiple times. We normally launch with more boost, and have the ability to add even more if we want in the future. Coil dwell was proven to be beneficial in our Dyno testing. It will break up at lower dwell. Every ignition coil needs different things to be happy. Not a one size fits all in my experience.
Dude, more tire... I know, I'm sure you see it too. You've got more engine/drivetrain power than your tires are capable of handling. Sorry, I'm sure you see it too. I guess ya just gotta remember, it's just force verses resistance, and with "to-the-ground" connection being the ultimate factor. Love you guys brother, we're going to get that car FASTER! Oh Geez, "Northstar".... I think I heard that ARIAS has forged pistons available for the Northstar engine.... And,,, I know that "EAGLE" sells forged steel connecting rods. I'm sure you've already seen that. But could you only imagine an All Aluminum V8 with Dual Over Head Cams, and 4-valves per cylinder? IDK just a thought.
There is an all aluminum DOHC 4 valve V8 from Toyota/Lexus called the 1UZFE. I think the highest HP from a factory block is +1400hp. There are billet block 1UZFE engines running +2000hp, mid 6 second 1/4 mile. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1Fz3nOJFK70.htmlsi=Wd-r1oDq0FELKHw-
I'm super interested in seeing what you two do to the rear suspension. If you decide to go that route. Even if you don't modify it maybe Dad could explain why it behaves that way on launch. And what would have to change to get the opposite effect.
For some odd reason I really like the Camaro… Not because I like them, but it just feels so right… Like it should’ve came that way as an option. The best is the fairmont lol. For the weirdness, and the poor lost forever studebaker… 😢 That one is the best!
wild have to turn her down with all that tire on there.......setup off or not, remember this motor was originally designed for an entirely different purpose......... Cool Beans
I may be speaking out of turn but the burnouts seem anemic. I've never used drag radials so I'm not sure of the best procedure. Just my observation. Thanks for the videos!
@@Calvin-Nelson I built a v8 trike direct drive th350 stubby. Enough anti dive in the irs that it actually get up on the tires. Just gleaning more know from your channel n enjoying it
Making power is awesome but making power that lives is the pinnacle. How consistent would you say you are at making power that lives compared to other combinations?
@@Calvin-Nelson Nope, KellTrac, he's a shock guy. He does a lot of S550 Mustang and 5/6th Gen Camaro stuff. He could get you a set of Rear Shocks to help a lot.
@@Calvin-NelsonHonestly brother, I think we all owe YOU a giant "Thank you!" for all of the fantastic R&D you've so happily and freely shared with us all. It's because of guys like you that we no longer have to go by those only slightly better than worthless shop by shop "formulas" any old school guys with an open mind used to despise. Even on the internet first began to get large people very closely guarded their "speed secrets"... You know the guys we laugh at in the videos when they act like they're hiding some State secret inside of a vehicle full of openly available aftermarket parts that you can glance once and figure out everything but the AR... so you get a picture of the other side of the turbine and now you've got that top secret.. uhh... secret too! You and your dad are bright people, you do good work, good research, and excellent testing each and every one of us with an addiction to horsepower greatly appreciates. The fact that you look at The multitude of underutilized and easily available American platforms that have a great deal of potential helps us all. Even ls's are s lowly going to start to climbing in price, and doubly so if it's the only thing anybody thinks is a viable platform to make some power with. You guys do a great job of sorting out not only just the basic issues with the platforms you work on, but you are instrumental in helping The proliferation of needed parts to fix these issues for the masses... Oh and I said basic because not only do you do the basics, but you run the damn things up near a thousand horsepower And do your best to get it all sorted And damn reliable before you call it a day to boot. I couldn't ask her anymore from a big company, I wouldn't even dream of begging for such from even a kick ass father-son team such as yourself. You guys exceed expectations every step of the way, you're not motivated by profit, and you seem like cool people to have a beer with as well! All right, I'll shut up after this. I hope you And your pops never forget how lucky you two are to have such awesome shared interests and such a great relationship. Congrats Pops on a well raised son and I look forward to many more years of awesome videos from you guys! (Can't wait for Northstar stuff 😊)
That probably would not work the greatest. Bottoming or topping the suspension out can actually cause some issues with traction too. Appreciate the suggestion though.
It has a 325/60/15 on it right now. I think we have all the tire we need, but based on some of the comments here, the prep may be a challenge for everyone at Kil Kare.
i know a fair lot about those, that would be an assload of fab work tbh, you'd need to basically cage the car first because that centerline where you'd have the trans tunnel is structural on a fwd car majorly, and cant just cut that without messing up geometry of the unibody, it has been done but make sure you have a good fabricator and are willing to spend a good chunk of change to do it, or invest the time to learn but have to spend a ton of hours into it, just like my awd eg civic running a sti drivetrain mated to a boosted k24a2.
If the gauge on screen is accurate you can retard the timing and richen it up to create more drive pressure and get boost built faster to get over the converter. Just reduce timing in the cells where it hits the wall until building boost.
Yeah. Holley has a boost builder function. I've played with it quite a bit. It's a balance between not totally knocking it on it's face and building boost. Honestly we probably didn't need to launch any harder than we were as we proved on the first pass.
If you guys are looking for a more long-term method of being able to adjust anti-squat easily, I'd look into custom converting the rear suspension to a De-Dion axle attached via a Satchell Link. De-dion is a sort of hybrid between solid and independent, with the reaction characteristics of independent but the geometrical characteristics of solid axle. The Satchell Link is an upside-down and backward triangulated 4-link that gives you simultaneously good roll centers, neutral roll steer characteristics, and high anti-squat all in one package. Plus you don't need either crappy panhard bar or a complex Watts link.
Calvin, I don't know the rules for drag racing, specifically your class, but 2 points I've observed. 1) switch over to a 6L90 with a TUTD shifter with modified internals and 2) Winters or Bulldog full size Quick Change with a spool.
Real hot rodding is not about the most expensive parts n make them fast. Its about getting a v6 blazer motor, turbo n then go fast. Now days they buy a charger hellcat remove supercharger n add twin turbos "cheap power for hellcat"😂
to be fair... this isnt a street car. Barra powered Ford Falcons here in Australia with a full interior and built Motor and Built 6spd Auto Trans can get into the 8s ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2DSwbrz2eoM.html
It's driven many miles on the street. Any car is a street car if you drive it on the street. We're just getting started. They have millions of dollars in aftermarket development behind them.
