Aubrey Matshiqi (Part 2): Nkandla Tea | Cyril Ramaphosa | David Mabuza

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In Part Two of my interview with political analyst uGogo Aubrey Matshiqi, we analyse former president Jacob Zuma's tea with EFF leader Julius Malema, Cyril Ramaphosa's Presidency and the 2022 ANC elective conference.
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CONTENTS
00:00 Intro
00: 44 Nkandla Tea continued
14:30 Cyril Ramaphosa's Position
22:20 Ramaphosa and State Capture
28:16 David Mabuza and 2022
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Credits: Edited by Tsolanang Rapoo

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@beckyphala5436 3 года назад

All those in favor of a weekly indepth analysis with Gogo and Sizwe? 🙋

@vuyanimaster2212 3 года назад

🙋

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Hehe as uGogo said: less is more.

@jessicanongilemalenga4637 3 года назад

I🙋🏻‍♀️ a million times I

@_SMWX 3 года назад

I hope you enjoy Part 2, with uGogo and his chickens. 😄🐓 Don’t forget to like, share and subscribe. 🙌🏽

@lotmathebula8783 3 года назад

The spiritual take was very interesting 🤔. Good job keep it up

@MazBringsby 3 года назад

What happened at @27:40 ?

@mmabathomankga 3 года назад

This conversation 🤯🤯, you are covering politics in a way that's different from others

@_SMWX 3 года назад

😁🙌🏽

@ed7069 3 года назад

I felt like a kid listening in on grown people talking. I've learned a lot. Keep it up!

@_SMWX 3 года назад

😁🙌🏽

@mvelimolata2968 3 года назад

U know Dr your platform is growing, n it is factual than all this captured media platforms

@sizwenyengane2875 3 года назад

The show that just keeps delivering 👊🏾

@_SMWX 3 года назад

😁

@SiphiweMkhwanazi 3 года назад

😂 I just remembered that your pops was at that tea party, im sure you are one of the very few people in the country that knows what was discussed, come on Sizwe, please spill the beans.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Hehe ☕️

@jessicanongilemalenga4637 3 года назад

Spill spill spill 🙈

@sifisocyprianshezi3824 3 года назад

Don't make laugh...you simple said what I didn't wanna talk about...!

@wandapanya3403 3 года назад

Bro I thought the same thing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@gcinumzinontolwane459 3 года назад

"Ventriloquist doll" 🤣🤣 Yohhh Gogo doesn't play

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Akadlali.

@siyandachonco 3 года назад

“The Ramaphosa moment is a tenant to the Zuma moment” This man is intelligent

@thokozanisikhosana5846 3 года назад

Sizwe l like your show not bias

@TheGiganticIntellect 3 года назад

i have started viewing this channel on friday, i have to admit that i was fascinated by the modus operandi of your questioning , i'm impressed, we lack this kind of journalism in south africa. big up young man run with the batton

@nyasha_sam 3 года назад

Man, I’m so happy that uGogo shares so much wisdom , we need to amplify our spiritual leaders in times like these. 🙌🏾🙌🏾

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽

@thembazulu7765 3 года назад

This was an interesting interview to watch. Sizwe's style of questioning, his probing and listening skills, respect for his guests, and an in-depth analysis of SA politics! Impeccable. And of course the ever objective uGogo Aubrey Matshiqi. Siyabonga Sizwe! Enjoyed this from beginning to end.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Thanks Themba!

@jabumbokazi349 3 года назад

The most intelligent political analyst in South Africa

@sivumakhonco 3 года назад

Insightful as usual. Please consider bringing on someone like Brian Molefe. Not to talk about "state capture", but to talk about the state of our public enterprises and the economy in general. How do we get out of this rut keeping so many in poverty? etc

@kiffh1133 3 года назад

"There is a lot of old people in the world, but there is a lack of elders..."

@mzekenamanjearistokasi6832 3 года назад

FACTS

@Slayer-kx5fz 3 года назад

"He has multiple spines." Head = EXPLODE! This is beyond!

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🔥🔥🔥

@fanamlawuli6761 3 года назад

Sanibonani Dr MSitwana, Thokoza Gogo, the truth and wisdom coming from these conversations come from the spiritual realm, thanks for a very insightful conversation, the youth are the sleeping giant in this country, they very capable but seem to be undermined or systematically pushed aside by every sphere of this system in South Africa, unlock that potential and we would go far

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Indeed!

@ditirophasha6948 3 года назад

Thank you for bringing Aubrey Matshiqi again.

@maggietshule334 3 года назад

I tried to follow news and keep informed, yet I hadn't heard about a sheep being slaughtered for the visitors until this interview. Our reporting is so much shallower than I had thought.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Yep! Well, this channel has you covered. 😁

@viwembelekane4900 3 года назад

Gogo, we need more of your wisdom. Our fathers are silent!

@gondwanaman9362 3 года назад

The insight from this one blew me away. Great job! Thokoza Gogo

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Thokoza!

@mthokozisilanga4497 3 года назад

If all that is siad about him is true, he could be a psychopath.

@quest9133 3 года назад

Thank you Sizwe for this fascinating discussion! Agreed, Cyril has become such a lame duck but also a conduit for hidden interests ala Manchurian Candidate.

@jonathankhwinana3050 3 года назад

Sizwe, the spirit of Larry King is proud of you. Not interrupting your guests. I agree with Becky Phala on weekly indepth with Gogo.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙏🏽

@thulaniyeyeyegumede9054 3 года назад

This is too powerful! Forever enjoying these conversations 👑👑👑👑👑

@sydwellmbatha1364 3 года назад

Woooow i want to subscribe to his statement of lacking elders within our political fraternity

@_SMWX 3 года назад

So true.

@qews.podcast Год назад

Your combination with Gogo is unmatched you keep on blessing is

@mthokozisilanga4497 3 года назад

Gogo I myself did not see any new dawn, I ruled out Thuma Mina during his party election campaign. He is no visionary amongst many things he is not.

@ayandakhonzi4195 3 года назад

From faustian pact to having many old people but not enough elders. I really enjoy(ed) the depth and range in these interviews with uGogo.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽

@siviwejongile1461 3 года назад

The spiritual aspect of the "tea meeting" is very interesting. JZ rendering his visitors meek🤔🤔, interesting ... wow I am intrigued.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Ya neh!

@siviwejongile1461 3 года назад

We really need peace between our political leaders. This gesture may it really be a sign of calm and peace.

@saragora3331 3 года назад

His analysis is wrong on this aspect. Under Zulu culture a sheep is for celebration, it has nothing to do with spiritual powers in this context.

@danieldaniel6000 3 года назад

Great insightful comment on the spiritual aspect of the meeting. Sizwe is it possible for you to be partial because I worry that you may be fighting some of the EFF political agenda. I also feel that the interview is a collusion of the wounded, tearing apart a common enemy. transference and counter-transference ..........

@thamikhumalo6508 3 года назад

This page has the best analysis 👌👌

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽

@thamikhumalo6508 3 года назад

@@_SMWX I think the spiritual aspect of politics in this country could be an interesting topic on its own for another episode. You hear traditional healers speak about how they could assist in some of the social issues affecting the country but they've just never been asked by the leadership. Yet you find most of the individuals in our leadership use traditional healers for their own narrow interests. My question for this topic would be "is it possible that organisations are affected, spiritually, by those that have passed on?"

@_SMWX 2 года назад

Hey Thami! Thanks for becoming a Member. Please email me at hello@sizwempofuwalsh.com. I would like to send you a signed book to say thanks for the support.

@entity5571 3 года назад

Brilliant. What a conversation! Danko

@270762CHAI 3 года назад

Wow , i thoroughly enjoyed your interviews , both Part 1 and 2 . Aubrey , is truly a deep and brilliant man . I am in aure of him . Has he penned a book ? Plz have him back .. keep up the good work young man .

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙏🏽

@sethuloli4546 3 года назад

Analysis of u Gogo Matshiqi is always on point🔥❤

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽

@andilencapai295 3 года назад

Let us wait and see it is a pity that we tend to rely too heavily on politicians........but let it all play out and see

@makadebonatv1310 3 года назад

Big up to Gogo u are the best political analyst in SA without fear or favour

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽

@kitsopoonyane3363 3 года назад

We need more of this interviews Sizwe,,maybe weekly

@tuntuinomala1240 3 года назад

Wow!!!Ugogo's analysis 💯

@_SMWX 3 года назад

💯

@nkanyezivilakati168 3 года назад

Thanks SMWX for such a profound alternative ideas

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽

@kabelolekoma3595 3 года назад

I was really looking forward to this analysis, u have one of our intellectual treasures right there!, I'm a bit disappointed in the analysis to be truthful, the tea was reduced to a power play ritual. Ramaphosa, for me is being made a joke(multiple spines)being in a coma and so on, I don't particularly care about who is running the country as long as I don't have to suffer coz of their power plays. Every country has corruption I just think the ANC thought the pie is a set number, instead of growing it(creating employment, less reliance on state, growing the tax base) now we are left with the hangover of their shortsightedness,if they would have grown the pie, they could have stole as much as they wanted and no one would have cared frankly, there's my 2 cents, love the show and I hope it keeps on growing

@simmy8701 3 года назад

Absolutely

@cyrilndaba6322 3 года назад

Sizwe Mshana! You are a very great interviewer and so is the great interviewee!

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽🙏🏽

@elizabethnadrau195 3 года назад

Heye iGogo is Intelligent yhooooooo.He says words that you will never forget.

@jessicanongilemalenga4637 3 года назад

The way politics is covered on this channel is so astonishing. Wie sou nie belangsteling vind Darin nie❤️❤️🇳🇦keep up 👊🏼

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽🙌🏽

@idrissashaff9328 3 года назад

Siyabonga Sizwe, time well spent. 👌🏿👌🏿

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙏🏽

@ndapukagtangeni1860 3 года назад

Sizwe, I been follow you in may of your show, always on point.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Hola.

@khotlamahene9193 3 года назад

I love ur job Siz man

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽🙌🏽

@tiisetsomalunga2457 3 года назад

I really enjoyed it

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Thanks!

@WamphatoTV 3 года назад

Great show, great content. Hmmm, the Zuma moment wow

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Yoh ya.

@Khusta...Ngcupe 3 года назад

This interview adds to what I was thinking...

@jayjay6239 3 года назад

Hi Sizwe thanks for the good interview with uGogo .Please do another one on the same issues with Prince Mashele.

@bongumusamanqele154 3 года назад

😂😂😂😂. That would be interesting though

@oya-hazelgumede711 3 года назад

Lit!Lit!Lit Sizwe, thank you 🙏🏽

@gideonmosia 3 года назад

Ayeye I enjoy and the the theme music Nanananan Ayeye I'm sure the slaughterred lamb symbolizes a great and spiritual sign and some things were imparted to the revolutionaries The annointed and the the anointing will manifest as we go along this road

@omphilelouw734 3 года назад

Cyrils personal interests supersedes everything. From "champion" founding SG of NUM to big enabler to the exploitation of miners. He is not an honest man and it upset me to see him become DP then president

@chalahashange520 3 года назад

Exceptional. I just love how you so fair

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙏🏽

@hopewellmolefe8228 3 года назад

Thanks my brother for great content. I can't have enough of Gogo. as for running out of tea bags 🤣🤣

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🤣

@neomarumo-mphaphuli5744 3 года назад

Pay Back The Money to Pass Me The Honey!!!!. Bars, waxing lyrically like those Entity days. The conversation was informative, particularly the ritualistic practices and what each animal represents. Sizwe love your interviews man, thank you!

@jackthenga5452 3 года назад

I really wish we can do a deep dive into the Faustian pacts and ANC leaders, very interesting topic

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Indeed.

@oNedrous_oNe 3 года назад

..|| yo, Sizwe .... been following your dialogue with uGogo for a minute now [since you started this platform] - always on point .... ..|| someone mentioned bringing other analysts on as well 🤧😷 ..... at the risk of making you seem one sided, if you dothat what will make your platform different from the broadcasters? ..|\ uGogo provides layers which others can’t even come close to peeling ..... especially the spiritual dimension which is hardly spoken of & I’m glad you noted that with regards the ‘high tea’ ....

@lethumkonto7591 3 года назад

Ramaphosa is not a Politician but a corporate Lobbyist but the Corporate guy 2g2 in Government. Uvuke njani.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

👀

@lethumkonto7591 3 года назад

He used the Open door system jumping from Corporate into Politics. Sankara made politics to look like a non profit organization to benefit the People that is a Politician. A by night businessman by Day a Politician will always can't do that. "Easily Corruptable black leaders who seek Power are more dangerous than our Oppressors" who is the Corrupter🕵.

@thembanimgenu190 3 года назад

Thank you Sir for these conversations, Gogo is indeed an elder aka isisele senyathi. That mask story for me kwa Mthembu seems to suggest Mabuza isn't the only one who can offer patronage in Mpumalanga, Mashatile is one quiet guy which seems strategic by the way because he was part of the vocal Gauteng in the not so distant past, so yena no Mabuza ngathi kukhona abaphezu kwabo, the billionaire airtime providers am not sure they are impressed at all, Ramaphosa seems too quiet for the position he is holding, am also shocked that people especially of this country go about the tea, the most symbolic to me as well yayikukuxhela, that's a big and meaningful open arm welcome to a previous ally, remember "we will kill for Zuma", Zuma will rule from prison "? I want to see if Vavi," indeed we will shoot to kill in defence of one another " will he be welcome as well? The tea party was what was extended to Mr Cele, not Malema. Enkosi Doc🙏🏾

@nunukhumalo5537 3 года назад

Today was just too deep 😳😳😳

@_SMWX 3 года назад

😁

@johnngcoko239 3 года назад

I did not want this conversation to end

@_SMWX 3 года назад

I know!

@fuziledazana9413 3 года назад

ALWAYS ON FIRE GOGO. I HOPE NEXT TYM YOU CAN BRING PRINCE MASHELE,PRF LESIBA TEFFO ,PRF MCEBISI NDLETYANA

@siyandachonco 3 года назад

Oh please I ran away from SABC because of Mcebisi Mdletshana 🤣🤣🤣

@nickmatyida77 3 года назад

Easily the leading intellectual platform in SA currently. The country will soon catch up..

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Dankie!

@mthokozisilanga4497 3 года назад

Great stuff.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👊🏿

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

@MrMultiAfrican 3 года назад

Thank you for part 2. Cyril is clearly the new Cecil Rhodes. He wrote the constitution. Was a leader in labour. Then business. Now politics. He is a billionaire. The man has the flexible spine of a snake and has won this game 10 times over.

@nhlanhlazondi4845 3 года назад

Sizwe, you could ask your dad about the contents of the tea meeting, as he was the plus one of Julius malema 😁😁😁

@stepmaster9988 3 года назад

Excellent interview!

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Thanks.

@nosferatu_13 3 года назад

The part of slaughtering a sheep instead of a goat, we are taking it way too far,we are reading too much into it. Let's look at it in a tribalistic manner, maybe JG thought because many people do not prefer goat meat, he slaughtered something that will please both parties. I really don't don't think it's because he wanted to flex his powers over Malema, I doubt because I don't think JG undermines the role of the EFF or Julius. That's small thinking and I mean that in a disrespectful manner.

@gondwanaman9362 3 года назад

You know more than isangoma?

@thulisagrootboom2346 3 года назад

It's a high stakes game, one cannot rule the spirituality of things out. We have to broaden our understanding of the spirit world because that is where everything manifests.

@gideonmosia 3 года назад

@@thulisagrootboom2346 touched a nerve there especially when it is not everybody for a cup o tea

@Huios1000 3 года назад

@@gondwanaman9362 Not all sangomas' are knowledgeable about most things in their culture/tradition. You can actually know more than a sangoma about your culture/tradition without going for "ukuthwasa".

@Huios1000 3 года назад

In Zulu, only goat is used for rituals. Sheep or cows are used for celebration.

@tsepom455 3 года назад

It would be so nice to have a panel together and create a "manifesto or freedom charter" type of document. The panel could all give input to this document. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Was just an idea for a future show.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Interesting, thanks.

@mthokozisilanga4497 3 года назад

DD is not trusted amongst some of the circles in the ANC, due to his political acrobatics, secondly, he seem not to have a national appeal within the ANC. But I cannot rule him out; however, I suspect that kuzaba namanqe azungeza isikhundla sakhe, the likes of Lindiwe Sisulu, and the Zumarites might unleashe a younger bull in the form of Duduzane. Mashatile stands a better chance than the most.

@thabusiwedi2664 2 года назад

“He has multiple spines” is profound 🔥

@_SMWX 2 года назад

🔥

@portiampatiramoshayi8899 3 года назад

Hi Sizwe kindly help me with this one please. I often hear people saying the word The poor masses ,and most of the time is referred to Black people . My question is were we born poor or were we made poor ,and if so how does one turnaround one's situation without involving advantaged one's . I sometimes take this as an insult and a curse and think that the left overs are always thrown on the ones that are regarded as the poor 💔. And how free are we in this free country 😳

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Question 1: Made poor Question 2: Not as free as we think

@ayandaxaba4121 3 года назад

If he was really behind the recall of Thabo Mbeki, why are they seemingly allies now to such a point that Thabo Mbeki became an active member of the NEC during Cyril's tenure? How would he have benefitted from Thabo Mbeki's recall if Montlante became deputy president when Zuma ascended to power?

@SydneyD28-6 3 года назад

The African spirituality, sadly goes over the heads of the very same people which the message is intended for ..!

@Mzansi_remedialChannel Год назад

Please interview Floyd Shivambu

@BanditZA 3 года назад

“From ‘pay back the money’ to ‘pass the honey’

@mahlahlana 3 года назад

BARS!! The Emcee in him was kicking there

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🍯

@akshaynarshi827 3 года назад

I don't think there is a better alternative than President Ramaphosa in the ANC.

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Perhaps that’s the problem?

@stizo3066 3 года назад

That is the million rand question; who is most suitable to take over the reigns of SA president one with a spine; decisive and strong 💪.

@steppamanjroy9886 3 года назад

DD is a cold hearted calculated killer ... His the one people should be worried about

@thabo3866 3 года назад

no doubt

@sibusisosiyabongandaba698 3 года назад

I wonder if Malema came with Umngena Ndlini when he visited Nkadla. I was touched by the slaughtering of the sheep, it shows the maturity and selflessness in uBaba.

@Mketsi2708 3 года назад

That sheep instead of a goat analysis is deep 👏👏👏🙆🏽‍♂️

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🤔🔥

@MazBringsby 3 года назад

@27:40 Something strange there. Can someone please explain what happened and what that meant?

@akanibaone7082 3 года назад

Rather a ventriloquist doll from within than from the external forces who are even more dangerous and evil. Cry my beloved SA. May The Most High redeem His rightful place, or we sink deeper into the dark abyss of spiritual forces that are holding our country in bondage.

@thembaradebe7868 3 года назад

LOL! These analysis before comprehending them, you need to think deeply, meanwhile listening. Rare analysis🤯🤯🤯🤯😭😭😭😭!

@_SMWX 3 года назад

🙌🏽🙌🏽

@infoswissoil2452 3 года назад

I think a women like Thuli Madonsela would be a great leader,We as men think we are superior to women and we are wrong to think that,the person that loved you and educated you was your mother and not your father.Women take caring seriously for all.Think about what i just said

@tcm6506 3 года назад

Sizwe says, "and others" including his dad... Still no inside info on what the tea was about?🤣 Great stuff though Sizwe 🤛

@_SMWX 3 года назад

👀😁

@jabumalinga1943 3 года назад

Okay fine, if not Cyril, then who? 2nd question. Why do we assume that Mabuza will not ride into the sunset and become an elder like Motlanthe did ? before he gets any charges against him, he could take his hefty pension and monthly benefits and relax..the only reason that these politicians hav ambition of high office is to steal and enrich themselves.. so if Mabuza has enough and does not want to be implicated in any deals, why not go out on a high..his health is always an issue anyway.. ....right som books..hav som tea and live life..

@kapoto1942 3 года назад

As long as the economic muscle is not translated in the down trodden, the fringes and the so called nothings, (poor majority) then its a tall order. Patronage wrecks havoc...

@saragora3331 3 года назад

Aubrey seems to be on point with his analysis of Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa's government appears to be run by faceless people. On another matter, Thabo Mbeki's decision to sack Jacob Zuma would have stood the test of time had he not sought the third term.

@davidmmahlangu3720 3 года назад

The third was only to the Anc whose constitution is mum about it. Our South African constitution about the term is maximum of two terms of five years each.

@saragora3331 3 года назад

@@davidmmahlangu3720 To seek the third term Mbeki put himself in a conflicted position. This is why his decision to sack Zuma was rejected by the majority of the Anc members.

@sdgudunkomo8399 3 года назад

How come i missed this analysis when it was posted?

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Click the notification bell so you never miss again. 😁

@sdgudunkomo8399 3 года назад

I'll do so, thanx

@freddiendlovu2414 3 года назад

Sizwe , Is true that Zuma faction lured Cyril Ramaphosa back to politics to become the Deputy president of the ANC? if that is the case the other question is why?

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Indeed!

@bongumusamanqele154 3 года назад

They wanted someone strong enough to challenge Galema Montlante as well as Mlambo Ngcuka. Zuma faction could not trust the two.

@mthokozisilanga4497 3 года назад

Dr. Mpofu-Welsh, we have become more eurocentric, we now talk about tea, what about umqombothi? 🤣🤣🤣

@_SMWX 3 года назад

Or umqombo-tea 😂

@tadyfamily2625 3 года назад

Meek means submissive everyone

@ThamiNdlalane 3 года назад

So gogo what happened to the bones? Could they not tell you if you have been misled or not?

@ayandaxaba4121 3 года назад

If Ramaphosa was so weak, why did Zuma bring him on as deputy president?

@oNedrous_oNe 3 года назад

..|| “....they didn’t see him coming ... or if they did it was an apparition which means they didn’t see him coming ....” DD OUGHT to be closely watched .....