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Audiophile Cable TRUTHS: The Divided Camps 

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Audiophile Cable TRUTHS: The Divided Camps
In this video series, we are going to open the door to explaining cables. We invite you to participate in the conversation by sharing ideas and opinions in the comments section down below. Thank you!

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@st0rm4g3dd0n
@st0rm4g3dd0n 3 года назад
I'm genuinely confused, because the rest of this channel is all about making speakers measure better, with no mention ever about how they sound before measuring and looking at the crossover components/etc. But the argument here seems to be that measurements don't matter, because you can't actually measure what sounds good, but apparently only for cables? Seems really convenient...measurements are king when you're selling a new crossover to "fix" a speaker that measures poorly, but when you want to sell a new power cable that doesn't have a measurable difference either in the cable or in the sound suddenly measurements suddenly don't matter at all. Ironically, audiophiles are often criticized for caring too much about measurements when comparing speakers/headphones/iems, because we all know you can't measure things like soundstage width and depth, imaging, instrument separation, etc. Yet when it comes to outrageously expensive cables and even amplifiers/dacs to some degree, measurements suddenly mean nothing to audiophiles because 'they don't tell you enough about how it sounds.' The only consistency is that it's always about justifying something more expensive, far past the point of diminishing returns. I get using good materials for cable and having good electrical connections is important. That's common sense, and we've all had cheap earbuds cut out or quit working from a cable going bad when we were kids. But when it comes to IMPROVING the sound, I have yet to hear any explanation (scientific or not) as to how cables can actually make a significant difference past a certain point. Every time this is discussed and someone does use the scientific method of testing as blindly as possible by listening for themselves, they get flamed because their DAC is too cheap, or their is to "sterile", or their speakers are only $2,000 and they need to be $25,000 to fully appreciate the subtle nuance of the specific weave in the power cable. Honestly the whole flat earther nickname is a huge irony as well, because the better comparison to flat earthers is the people that try to argue this so vehemently. Flat earthers can go to their conventions and enjoy theorizing and believing what they want together, and everyone else leaves them alone because they choose to ignore established scientific knowledge that is just common sense at this point in the existence of our species. But at the end of the day they are the minority, no matter how loud they are, or how many mortgages they had to take out for their speaker system. I have no problem with the argument that you should listen and a/b test yourself to see if you hear a difference. But I'm not going to spend $8k on a headphone cable to test whether it has a touch more "air" at 19kHz. If you want to spend the money on the setup to compare and demonstrate it sure. I'll listen with a completely open mind. But even if I hear that little bit of difference, even if I think it improves the sound, I'm never spending $8000 on that cable. The difference will never be worth it. I'm honestly somewhere in the middle because I know that measurements are necessary when designing audio gear, and can be useful when comparing gear to some degree. But when people start trying to sell obscenely expensive components like cables, claiming things with scientific terms that don't have any relevance to the application (unequal length speaker cables causing transmission line effects for example), then there's a serious problem. It very quickly becomes false advertising and deception. If you're going to speak subjectively then don't use scientific terms to try to describe something that those terms have nothing to do with. We have plenty of applications, such as ethernet at high data rates, where minute differences in cables can cause significant negative affects. And we have the capability to measure and compensate for those things with cable design etc. But in audio somehow all this actual knowledge of signaling and engineering just seems to get thrown out the window when it comes to things like cables, but terminology still gets taken and thrown around completely out of context and often with no relevance to the application, particularly when trying to sell something. You can buy your audio jewelry and I will not have any complaints, I'll buy some myself within reason because I like nice looking things just like anyone else. You can tell me it honestly makes your listening experience more enjoyable and I won't argue with you one bit. But if I can't hear a difference and it doesn't make my listening experience better, it's not going to be worth trying to convince me otherwise because I'm never going to buy your expensive cable if I can't hear a difference from a $50 or $100 cable. Especially if it measures identically according real science and what we are able to measure based on our current understanding of human hearing as well.
@gryphongryph
@gryphongryph 3 года назад
Great post, totally agree with everything you are saying on this matter, somehow audiophiles loose ground connection when it comes to cables.
@Dasbeerboots
@Dasbeerboots 3 года назад
How the hell did you only get 3 upvotes on this? You perfectly refuted every single word this guy had to say in this video, while completely dismantling his false beliefs and business practices. It all just makes no sense and makes him look like a fool.
@abelcasey9416
@abelcasey9416 3 года назад
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@aldenphillip765
@aldenphillip765 3 года назад
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@abelcasey9416
@abelcasey9416 3 года назад
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@jamescoltart2241
@jamescoltart2241 3 года назад
I've seen and heard enough proof that assures me connectors make no difference whatsoever (unless the original is faulty). Cable sellers at elevated prices should be closed down.
@bloodcarver913
@bloodcarver913 3 года назад
Connectors: some are made from alu or brass internally. no good audiowize, better to go with normal copper. I am not arguing prices here, just be aware and choose the better metal/parts for the job.
@tomherold1685
@tomherold1685 3 года назад
I am an aerospace engineer (scientist) and I agree with your approach completely. The objective here is to find the best sounding speaker cables. That is accomplished by "testing" different cables (A B tests). Our "test equipment" is our ears and brain. Then, once we have determined the best sounding cables we can measure the cables in an attempt to better understand what makes the speaker cables sound the way we want them to sound (better). Now, with these different measurements we have a quantifiable way to modify the cables and see if the changes improve the way the cables sound. I suspect that is what you did to come up with; probably everything you sell. Thanks for all of the help you give the audio community. By the way, at my job we prove the Earth is not flat every day.
@SB-pc8iu
@SB-pc8iu 3 года назад
Hello Danny, I grew up believing that speaker cables have no effect on sound. I still own this opinion till today, but only because the arguments I heard did not convince me. If there are better arguments in the future, I'll be happy to change my opinion. I am bothered by the following: 1. Everybody who has worked on house electrics will know which small cable diameters are used for power lines in the walls. The chain is tearing at its weakest part, so why should I consider buying a expensive amplifier power cable, which is as thick as a finger, when beforehand the current flows through only a few mm² of normal, low quality copper ? 2. I am a vintage audio fan who owns a old Yamaha CA-610 amplifier. Since I replaced the old transistors and capacitors in the amplifier, I know through which small cables and components the signal has to "squeeze" before it reaches the speaker output terminal. Yes, it's over 40 years old, but the build quality back then was much better than most of today's consumer amplifiers. So again, why should I invest $350 into speaker cables that are as thick as a finger, when beforehand the signal flows through small cables and components made out of normal quality metals? And don't tell me that today's amplifiers only use high quality copper for their internal wiring. They don't. 3. Same goes for the cheap quality crossovers in speakers. My priority list for good sound would look like this: 1. Get your hands on high quality music and recordings. Don't play highly compressed 50-times remastered music... garbage in -> garbage out! 2. Invest in good room acoustics. (You hear up to 70% of the room reflections and only 30% directly from the speakers) 3. Build your own speakers with a good crossover and high quality parts. 4. Look for a amplifier that suits your needs. You don't need to spend a fortune for that thing. 5. If all of the things above are done, you are free to invest your spare money into things like speaker cables etc. Kind regards
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Your priorities are sound. To answer your question 1 and 2 then you have to understand that the cable being used can and will act as a filter. And removal of RFI and EMI can and will have a positive effect on what you hear.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 If you are looking for a cable to make a difference in the frequency response, distortion, or impulse response then you are looking in the wrong place.
@chinnana583
@chinnana583 3 года назад
@SB Excellent points! Thats what I always wonder. The power socket has basic poor Romex cable running 100 foot and probably 3 or more wire connector in preceding sockets. Now in the last 3 foot cable, some how putting a 10 gauge some kind of twisted wire is going to change current? Frequency? What's that changing? I do like what Danny does regarding the Crossover upgrades, though some of those are overboard with very expensive tube connectors ( @1000 times inflated costs). Despite that I thought of buying some cross over upgrades and DIY kits. So until now I always believed he does objective tests and provide that with no FUD factor. I watched almost all his videos. This is not something I have expected from Danny. Don't know if greed is playing some kind of role here.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@chinnana583 As to your question as to what it is going to change. It will, as a filter, reduce RFI and EMI. In plan English it will reduce the noise levels on the line. And the tube connectors are priced based on cost to produce and at NOT inflated. They are also less than half the cost of the best binding posts and spade connectors. So they are quite the bargain. Greed? If you know me at all then you know that's not me. I am going to teach everyone how to reach a whole new performance level and at low price points.
@SB-pc8iu
@SB-pc8iu 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 Thanks for your answer Danny. I believe you, that RFI and EMI can affect the signal in a bad kind of way. That's why my $30 antenna cable with a ferrite core gave me significantly better results on the TV programs than the cheap $5 antenna cable I had used before. I would never say that you are greedy. You do a great job with your speakers & cross overs. Other people would charge way more for the same job. Not to mention the Informations you give us for free. So a big thank you for that! 👍 I just think that your cables are a bit overkill. I would need 2x7 foot of speaker cables, which would be around $200. That's what I paid for my amplifier. The cables are worth their money in terms of material costs and work labor. But maybe one could get the same filtering results with $50 cables? Have a nice evening. Cheers 🍻
@Quetzalcoatl0
@Quetzalcoatl0 3 года назад
OK, do you want to end this ? Call Audiohilics, both of you go to a listening room, get some really really good speakers and really good amps/dacs/source. Place a giant AT transparent black velvet or something, so you won't be able to see if cables are changed or not and do a A / B comparison. Do 10/20 test runs listening to the same song and Gene will swap or not swap the cables and lets see how many times you "guess" to which cable you are listening to.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
That's a great idea. I think I will send him an invitation. No guessing needed though. I just wonder what he'll think when he hears clear differences within the first few seconds?
@phomchick
@phomchick 3 года назад
Hearing a difference between two cables is not the correct test, and wouldn’t prove anything. Hearing a difference between two cables that measure the same, would be the monkey wrench in the objectivists belief system.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@phomchick In the end hearing is all that matters.
@phomchick
@phomchick 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 Understanding also matters.
@LouGuido
@LouGuido 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 You should totally do this. I can't wait to see what BS you spin when you're publicly embarrassed.
@Fleskepresk
@Fleskepresk 3 года назад
The "All science flat-earthers?" I think you got your camps mixed. It makes more sense that someone who believes the earth is flat, also believes that noise in the Mhz-range in speaker cables affect sound quality. The science doesn't stick in either case.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Pay attention to what I said and what is coming up in the next videos and you'll understand how they really do no science at all.
@Clobercow1
@Clobercow1 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 You don't have the credentials to determine that. Also: They don't "do science". You have a fundamental lack of understanding behind the science and the philosophy(s) the scientific method is based on.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@Clobercow1 You are incorrect, and will be shown to be so.
@MrConcord75
@MrConcord75 3 года назад
Don’t worry. We will all be watching. 😊
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 3 года назад
If the noise happens to be AM from a broadcast station, or your cellphone, it absolutely _will_ impact the audio quality, but not in the way he thinks. You'll get lots of interference in the audio as either the broadcast material, or a bunch of clicks from the cellphone transmitting data packets. Normal twin-conductor speaker wire is actually fairly immune to RF once its connected to low impedance sources like speakers and amplifiers, but with audiophiles and their bizarre ideas, that no longer can be taken as a given.
@tweakradje
@tweakradje 3 года назад
OMG. A series about transporting electrons from A to B.
@tweakradje
@tweakradje 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 Maybe they can make a difference. I happen to have monster cable and it sounds ok. A zillion threads in silicone. But your milage may vary :) Here we go ;) "Tests by Stereo Review Magazine in 1983 concluded that Monster cables did not make a difference in the sound and were "indistinguishable" from 16-gauge lamp cord. Whether someone claims they can hear the difference varies from person to person. Many reporters and audiophiles have done double-blind a/b listening tests and are unable to hear the difference. According to PC Magazine, Monster is "often accused of selling over-priced cables that you can buy elsewhere for a fraction of the price". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Cable
@rockyp5246
@rockyp5246 3 года назад
@@tweakradje Scientifically speaking, if Monster cables did not make a difference in the sound and were "indistinguishable" from 16-gauge lamp cord does that make all cables "indistinguishable" ? Apart from their high cost did Monster scientifically design their cables for measurable sonic improvement, or did they just build impressive cables which are ornate and generous in proportions, but in reality only provide aesthetic improvement?
@Johnny-Too-Bad
@Johnny-Too-Bad 3 года назад
Cables do matter, don't buy crap. I bought a pair of used 8 foot long Kimber Kables 8TC on eBay. I was replacing a pair of 8 foot long Monolith by Monoprice speaker cables 12 gauge and PE coating. They were also good. I couldn't tell the difference but the Kimber Kables are blinggier so I'm happy. The moral of the story is, if you don't use crap. A lot of good quality speaker cable will work just as well as the more expensive stuff. Sounding different does not mean sounding better. If a cable is tuned to sound a certain way, then you're buying that tuning, not a "better" cable.
@dougpike8521
@dougpike8521 3 года назад
The big metal rods in concrete are called rebar. LOL
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
I know, I know, and I thought of it right after I finished recording. I mention it at the start of Episode 2 that I recorded right after this one. Senior moment...
@dougpike8521
@dougpike8521 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 Looking forward to the next video.
@JeanKatana
@JeanKatana 3 года назад
This shirt is awesome!!! XD And totally agreed, by the way! *added: Thanks for beeing so courageous handling this topic. There are so many guys out there, listening with their eyes.
@shadyoptics
@shadyoptics 3 года назад
Agree that listening is needed along with measurements to prove one cable sounds different than another, but shouldn’t it be done via some sort of blind study?
@Clobercow1
@Clobercow1 3 года назад
It has been done. No differences were found between lamp cord and expensive cables.
@TofumanFC3S
@TofumanFC3S 3 года назад
@@Clobercow1 Exactly. They’ll then say it’s because you get used to the sound and all that. Anyways, especially since you can’t hear the difference you should go with measurements, because it’s nice to know you have the best you can get even if your ears aren’t exact enough to hear the difference. Also you should obviously really consider what you wanna spend on something your human ears can’t appreciate
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@Clobercow1 You are correct. It has been done, but that was not at all the conclusion.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@TofumanFC3S I can demonstrate that the differences are very easy to hear. Keep watching this series.
@SnoopKatt
@SnoopKatt 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 I'm not convinced quite yet but I'm definitely looking forward to the upcoming videos to see the results. Keeping an open mind!
@bobbyb6012
@bobbyb6012 3 года назад
That's the NASA logo on your shirt. "We Checked" = having explored the flat earth question from space, they've done the science. Brilliant!
@carbidetooth
@carbidetooth 3 года назад
Ding, ding, ding ↑↑↑ ! From my vantage point, the audiophile world often lacks a sense of humor. Laughter is good medicine in my book. Listening to music should be a pleasure, no? Enjoy the shirt and pin, Danny.
@AmazonasBiotop
@AmazonasBiotop 3 года назад
Yes it is like Mickey mouse ears. :) In each CARTOON from every angle on each drawn frame the ears are round.. So that means that Mickey mouse ears are not flat they need to be spherical like the earth! 🤣
@markclancy5371
@markclancy5371 3 года назад
@@AmazonasBiotop the flat Earers.😄
@latourhighendaudio
@latourhighendaudio 2 года назад
Couldn’t say it better ! Well done !
@jaredhouseman2094
@jaredhouseman2094 3 года назад
I believe the placebo effect has a greater effect than the actual effect of using better cables. If you don't believe you will hear a difference, you probably won't If you do believe you'll hear a difference, you probably will If you've measured a difference, you'll be looking for it when you listen
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
And that belief is based on... what? A feeling? The placebo effect is easily removed. Stay tuned for more to come.
@jaredhouseman2094
@jaredhouseman2094 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 Believers can hear a difference, non believers can't. The fact that there are so many people in both camps means it is obviously a matter of perception. There is a difference in cables, but if someone doesn't perceive it, it doesn't matter. Like you said in this video, listening is the most important part
@shardsofcontent4829
@shardsofcontent4829 3 года назад
There are objective deficiencies at the bottom of the quality range. More subjective differences in engineered cables.
@Finn-McCool
@Finn-McCool 3 года назад
I'm no scientist. I've heard my speaker cables improve the sound of my speakers from lighter gauge cables to heavier gauge oxy free cables. The biggest difference was in attenuation. I heard the sound coming through at a higher level of volume. And clarity during low levels of volume was improved as well. From generic 16 gauge clear shielded store bought cable initially, to then upgrading to Furez 12 gauge cable with fancy braided covering added along with Sewell Deadbolt terminations. (Which let's face it, is only a small upgrade compared to the current market) I heard nothing at all change when borrowing a friend's super duper high priced state of the art speaker cable with soldered connections bought from a company who shall remain nameless. ZERO difference. He tried, but he failed. No ifs ands or buts. I've heard a difference in crossover networks being upgraded. I've heard a difference while introducing DSP. I've not heard, not will I probably ever hear and difference in any upgraded power cord. I own a new $3000.00 Sony STR ZA5000ES flagship processor and the power cords we tried did not make any discernable difference whatsoever in blind listening tests. It was an exhausting weekend of trials. What we concluded was that longer runs of speaker cable DEFINITELY matter when considering the gauge. And DSP is some very interesting tech. Upgraded passive crossover networks yield clarity especially discerning faint sounds at low level. And experimenting with expensive stuff can be fun and there is nothing inherently wrong with using materials that look and feel upgraded from stock. And simply hearing a "difference" doesn't always imply an "improvement." -✌🏼
@chinnana583
@chinnana583 3 года назад
I absolutely agree with you, and my experience with my experiments yielded similar results. I always wonder why people think 3 foot of power cable makes difference when the power socket has basic Romex cables running 100 foot which is not touched. Do they even know about this 100 foot for Romex, and multiple Wire Connectors in between their socket and main termination? not sure. Does this last 3 feet of cable to your equipment power supply going to change your frequency? or your voltage? or current? Seriously sometimes I think these people lost complete rational/objective thoughts.
@chrisusher7638
@chrisusher7638 3 года назад
@@chinnana583 in one of the new record day listening videos with Danny you can see several car batteries in the background. It appears the power grid is taken out of the equation when they do proper listening tests. An ingenious way to remove interference on an efficient sysyem. I would be curious however, to learn what they use as an inverter
@listeningto8371
@listeningto8371 3 года назад
Hearing things subjectively is real science, not the measurements?
@nonameforgoogle2538
@nonameforgoogle2538 3 года назад
There's the guys that are convinced that op amps can't possibly sound different and if they do it's because of the circuit they sit in. I'm convinced their audio systems being very crappy is the reason they can't hear a difference. Well that's if they bothered to try.
@sjhorton1184
@sjhorton1184 3 года назад
Also, changing the shock CAN make a car go faster - around a track where cornering speeds are the limiting factor. Just saying. This also supports the idea that we don't yet know what to measure. First scientist: "Hey look at this; this cable is exactly 6 feet long." Second scientist: " So is this one, so they are exactly the same, right?"
@TeslaNick2
@TeslaNick2 3 года назад
Love the T-shirt Danny !
@shaner3d
@shaner3d 3 года назад
Agree with you Danny about the listening tests. But, they must be double blind tests to be valid.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
I go over this in episode 4.
@martybousum1010
@martybousum1010 3 года назад
Love the T-shirt! How appropriate! You're a brave soul! Thanks for venturing out of the 'audio bunker'!
@NathanOakley1980
@NathanOakley1980 3 года назад
Stick to making crossovers! There is no scientific evidence for globe earth. (Measurements are not established cause of natural phenomenon) The horizon is not physical, an apparent location can’t block boats and buildings. Outer space is fake. You can’t have gas pressue without a container. If the sky was a vacuum the gas we breathe would fill the space. (See the second law of thermodynamics) Globe claims we have 15 degrees drift (stuff moving apart) as earth turns underneath stuff not attached! (Coriolis Effect) That DOES NOT HAPPEN! Nothing is drifting away at 1000mph on the equator. Earth isn’t spinning! If it was, flights going west would be reduced in their flight times as earth turned under them. (See NDT claim earth turns under footballs to make field goals) Again, measurements (maths) is not science. Science is a method of establishing cause of natural phenomenon. (See scientific method) £1 says you don’t know the three constituent parts of scientific hypothesis. Finally, feel free to check for the 8” per mile in Google Earth. All *measurements* of earth are flat. No drop. Let me know what the three constituent parts of a hypothesis (scientific prediction) are so we know you aren’t just pretending to know what “science” is. I’ll clip out this section and address your globe belief on my debate show “Flat Earth Debate”. Feel free to tune in for my response.
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 года назад
@@NathanOakley1980 LOL
@idray986
@idray986 3 года назад
Danny = Flat Responser
@mrsuppertime1
@mrsuppertime1 3 года назад
According to engineers, cables affect sound but cables transparent to audio frequency signals can be made very cheaply. Expensive hifi cables can be just as good unless they unintentionally messed up some parameter actual engineers care about.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
There is a LOT more to it than that. Hang in there.
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 3 года назад
​@@dannyrichie9743 Yes, but as an engineer, not at audio frequencies. Typically in the audio realm, the only thing you have to worry about is the loop resistance of the wire. Typical linear amplifiers have an output impedance of about 50-100mΩ, so you don't want the wire forming what is essentially a series resistor as it will cause voltage fluctuations, especially at low frequencies where the current is substantially out of phase with the voltage. The other concern, of course, would be I^2R losses if you, for some reason, need to shove 100's of watts through your speakers. But generally, any copper wire of a suitable gauge for the power output will work, and there will be no audible difference. Now the place where it _does_ matter is at high frequencies. The first issue is the total capacitance the wire presents to the amplifier. Since there are two conductors, the wire looks not only like an inductor, but also a capacitor at radio frequencies. Linear amplifiers with feedback behave inductively outside of the audio band at higher frequencies, due to the falling loop gain. This means that there is a certain amount of capacitance that can form an LC tank circuit, and cause the amplifier to oscillate. As the wire has a very low resistance, it forms a high Q circuit, which can cause the amplifier to break into oscillations so bad that it physically destroys the active devices in the output stages of the amplifier. As most amplifiers have Theil networks in them, and there's seldom a need to run more than 20-30 feet of wire, this is not normally an issue. The one that's often overlooked, but important, is the fact that speaker wire also behaves as a _transmission line_ at RF frequencies. This is important for noise immunity, especially for bipolar amplifiers that can rectify AM. Now the characteristic RF impedance is of no real concern for your amplifier, but it does mean that the wire will exclude RF interference from outside sources. This can be easily proven by going to the middle of a twin conductor speaker wire, cutting the two conductors apart, and separating them. Your amplifier will turn into an AM radio as the speaker wire is no longer behaving as a transmission line, but now a radio antenna. But very long story short, for audio, doesn't matter. Just get standard copper speaker wire of the correct gauge and all will be well.
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 Also, the reason I don't believe you is not that I don't want to hear contrary opinions. If I didn't I wouldn't be watching your video, would I? No, it has to do with the simple fact that what you are saying is simply not true. There is no mechanism in nature that will cause simple copper wire conveying slowly varying electrical signals to do the things you say it does.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@mysock351C What I say is absolutely true and easy to demonstrate and hear. Stay tuned.
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 If what you say is true, and that different copper conductors can alter the frequency content of audio, then you would literally win a Nobel prize in physics, and it would be the biggest discovery in recent living memory. Im not being hyperbolic, there, either. To be honest, expect to be _heavily_ critiqued on your measurement methods.
@jamesm90
@jamesm90 3 года назад
So you measure the sound of your crossovers with a frequency sweep. You can do the exactly the same with cables.Just show us a frequency sweep of a common heavy copper mains cable against an expensive audiophile cable and a show us the difference in the frequency response. Easy! Come on do it!
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
A cable difference doesn't show up in the frequency response. I used an example of a guy changing the shocks on his car and expecting it to run faster. Perfect analogy here.
@osliverpool
@osliverpool 3 года назад
A frequency sweep tells you very little about the sound quality of an audio component overall - it's part of the story, but there are far more variables than that. And if there are differences in cables (I'm not currently convinced either way) then they're not going to be in the frequency response as copper wire has a very flat response in the audio spectrum. Frequency response, though, is the most important measure of a crossover, and so it makes obvious sense to test that.
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 3 года назад
Don't worry. they'll both be flat from DC to 200 kHz. Been there done that. Danny's right. It's not about frequency response per se. As a physicist, I think I can say we don't really know everything about what makes a good cable good. I think we know more about what makes a bad cable bad. Music is not a single sine wave or square wave, but a myriad frequencies layered on top of each other, each with intensity and presence varying in time. We are faced with multiple conundrums: why did the introduction of Teflon as an insulator improve the sound of cables some years ago (maybe someone knows, I don't). But the question is this: it is widely accepted as superior, but why should it make any difference at all? Eg. compared with polyethylene? Why should the effects of different dielectric properties even make a difference at our low audio frequencies? Why do supertweeters (mine go to 90kHz) make a difference to the sound (even bass!) if I can't hear much over 13kHz (as a tone)? Why do power cables make a difference? If they carry 10A at 110V 60Hz or 5A at 220V 50Hz surely that's enough? Nope. Here they may be carrying RFI into the power supply and 'polluting' other sensitive components. How do they handle extremely short peak current demands? So their construction matters. This subject is compounded by the fact that it's our perception of the sound that counts - psychoacoustics is the interaction of sounds with the mind. How do we locate sounds? Hint: it's not necessarily amplitude related but phase. Our brain knows how to use the ear to find the difference in phase (wavefront timing) of a sound arriving at our head. And BTW this may be how supertweeters improve our listening experience. So it's not cut and dried and all empirical and reduced to resistance, capacitance and inductance. There are unfortunately a lot more factors in play determining how we perceive a sound. I could go on and on but will spare you! :-) I hope this was interesting and not just like a red rag to a bull. :-) All the best, Rob
@jonblakeman6636
@jonblakeman6636 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 But assuming you use 'better' shocks the car will be capable of running faster. If the driver is good enough.
@jamesm90
@jamesm90 3 года назад
Oh dear, I’m afraid this doesn’t add up, the frequency sweep is what’s coming from the speaker, otherwise why use it to correct a crossover!? So according to this, a sweep applies to a cross over but not a cable, nope, sorry guys here no science here, unsubscribed! Bye bye flat earth guys!
@User_not_found_403
@User_not_found_403 3 года назад
thanks Danny - thank goodness you are approaching this in a logical, common sense way. Measurements are intended to be tools to help us getter better sound not the other way around. Extreme objectivists can’t seem to grasp this.
@Quetzalcoatl0
@Quetzalcoatl0 3 года назад
10:40 "This all comes down with music enjoyment" So audiophile 10 000$ a meter cable is just a "placebo" of making you think the cable sounds better because it costs more. Like the good old heavier amp vs lighter amp.
@borisborovcanin8434
@borisborovcanin8434 3 года назад
Very interesting. Cannot wait to hear the rest. Ultimately, at some point in the future, we will be able to quantify and measure these differences that some of us can hear between amplifiers/DACs/cables etc. that measure similarly. Just because we do not have the tools and knowledge to be able to quantify these differences today using electronic measuring equipment does not mean that we can totally discard the fact that our ears and brains are telling us that there is a difference.
@sammysalmela7408
@sammysalmela7408 3 года назад
I heard a good explanation for those that don't hear difference in cables, it was about those that was not so used listeners or was not so much interested in HIFI! And did make a comparison for those that is interested in cars because many of them could point out what car it was just hearing the sound of the engine compared to those that was not so interested in cars. So this could been applied for us that is into the HIFI hobby, the more we listen the more we get experienced listeners and can hear the differences!
@Tslayer1966
@Tslayer1966 3 года назад
How come someone just doesn’t perform a blind test with say 100 people or more, collect the data and put this discussion to rest?
@TofumanFC3S
@TofumanFC3S 3 года назад
Because people won’t hear a difference
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 You are welcome to contribute here, but if you are only here to cause disruptions and have nothing to contribute then you won't be posting much longer.
@JurMalafi
@JurMalafi 3 года назад
Its been done, in 2006 I proved to the DIYers in DC that cables sound different. The bullsh+t stopped at some cables are different. Some cables are so different they didn't even require comparison to generic electrical extension cable and BS 12 guage Sound King cable. Ask Bob Cordell. He did seem a little shocked. It was his testing system and his show. Cardas Golden Cross, MIT Shotgun 750, no need bother compare in a blind trial...Kimber 4TC was used later and discerned by another 2 people in another location. Sorry.... some cables sound different and most sound worse than good basic cables.
@ichigobankai2343
@ichigobankai2343 3 года назад
@@TofumanFC3S Thats not true there are a lot of people that can hear the difference when using different cables.
@TofumanFC3S
@TofumanFC3S 3 года назад
@@ichigobankai2343 Show me ONE scientifically sound, objective test of cables that test as good as plain old speaker cable or better, where people were able to pick out the special, amazing one over the regular, good one in a controlled situation. I just need one study that has been validated as accurate and I’ll apologize to everyone I’ve ever offended with this stuff.
@99Duds
@99Duds 2 года назад
Love your Channel Danny, Thank you for doing what you do.
@SnoopKatt
@SnoopKatt 3 года назад
"Good audio" is one heck of a conundrum. Objective measurements have come a long way in creating correlation with what to expect from sound, but I do get the feeling that sites like ASR are missing a piece of the puzzle. I think they have amplifier characterization nailed, but there's definitely something missing from their speaker measurements, and Amir seems to acknowledge it. He's mentioned he likes speakers that don't "measure" well and vice versa. But this shouldn't serve as evidence that measurements are meaningless - it indicates that additional tests need to be added to the suite which quantity the noticed difference. But of course, a "noticed" difference needs to be proved with a double-blind test. It's nonsense to say "this difference can only be heard, it's impossible to measure!". On the other hand, it's also nonsense to look at only frequency response graphs and distortion plots and conclude that is everything you need to know about a sound system. Those characteristics do matter, and fluctuations in those measurements create incredibly obvious differences, which is why they are a great starting point, but they aren't the only measurements that need to be made.
@tbonet859
@tbonet859 3 года назад
I am not a scientist. I am not a Flat Earth guy. ( although, a flat earth could possibly make for an awesome speaker diaphragm, for projecting music towards the sun. Just a thought...lol) : D Cables, in my opinion, are conduits. Nothing more, nothing less. What sounds the best, is subjective: to each individual's personal musical preferences / expectations, physiological hearing preferences, and room acoustics. i.e. people with tinnitus are extremely sensitive to aggressive high frequencies and excessive treble levels. ( just one example) High quality materials / construction, excellent conductivity and smart engineering for cables: absolutely makes a difference. Science and measurements are important. At the end of the day, it will always come down to individual preferences, and the above mentioned contributing factors. One man's smooth, musical crescendo......is another man's dull decent into boredom. One man's exciting, lively high frequency / treble extension....is another man's excruciating ice pick through the brain. Gather 20 people around you, and try to agree what three toppings to get on some pizzas. Good luck with that : D Thanks for the video!!
@RCB2244
@RCB2244 3 года назад
I like your videos, man. You are the real deal. Thanks for sharing all the great info and please keep it up.👍By the way, if that's the worst "senior moment" you ever have, you'll be in great shape, lol. Rebar isn't the first thing on our minds anyway, speakers...and women...are!🤑 Maybe not in that order, but we all know speakers and women usually aren't found in the same sentence...or same room together😁
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
And as soon as I turned off the camera I said to myself, "rebar!".
@wa2368
@wa2368 3 года назад
Best video on RU-vid. Thank you Danny
@Clobercow1
@Clobercow1 3 года назад
Guys, you have to understand that Danny has a conflict if interest because he sells his beliefs.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
This series isn't about selling a belief. It is about sharing what I know.
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 100%
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 3 года назад
He sells speaker kits. Do you not believe in speakers?
@garyganser2451
@garyganser2451 3 года назад
I appreciate your work to help us enjoy music more!
@chinmeysway
@chinmeysway 8 месяцев назад
cables are the very least effect if any on enjoying music. just listen to music / explore music
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 года назад
I’m sure some of you have heard me say this before, but both Peter Q from Audio Note and Herb Reikert said something like, “We can hear most of what we can measure, but we can’t always measure everything we can hear”. I tend to believe in people who have experience and have been in the game for as long as those two as well as Danny. Btw, If you’ve got an insulting or infantile comment, don’t bother. I’ve already heard them all, and I’ve also heard a difference between cables. Everything in the audio chain makes a difference and it all adds up.
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 года назад
What an unnecessary, untrue, and disrespectful comment. I’m constantly learning new things, am open to new ideas, and my comment basically says exactly that. I have no idea what I said that would warrant a nasty and mean spirited comment like yours.
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 Sure, I guess we’ll go with that then...
@alfonsodelafreg259
@alfonsodelafreg259 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 You were mean spirited. Grow a pair and fess up to it. Actually this goes for many comments here.
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 года назад
Thanks very much, Alfonso. Your comment means a great deal, and you obviously get it. I always try to leave a courteous comment, even if I don’t necessarily agree. It’s called having an actual adult conversation, which David and many others are obviously unable to do or understand. It seems more important for them to leave what they think are “zingers” rather than real responses, because that’d entail real facts, theories, thoughts, opinions, etc., which people like that don’t seem to be very well versed in. I’ve got a feeling Mr. Long won’t “grow a pair and fess up” to his needlessly childish behavior, because that’d take maturity, and trolls like that are clearly lacking the ability. Thanks again, Alfonso.
@antionejackson1437
@antionejackson1437 3 года назад
How is listening science ..... especially with the placebo effect. At the very least it should be a blind test. Until we get to the speakers it’s all electrical. So if there is a difference then it should be measurable, definitely with a cable. I think
3 года назад
It is not, but this guy need to sell some cables
@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093
@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093 3 года назад
@ So you missed his video where he measured cables.
@Clobercow1
@Clobercow1 3 года назад
@ Yeah. It's a basic conflict of interest.
@freone111
@freone111 3 года назад
2 flat response speaker does not mean they sound the same. Same with wires. If both measuring the same doesnt mean they will sound the same. Pls continue educating people danny. Goodjob👍
@cabasse_music
@cabasse_music 2 года назад
you could absolutely apply scientific principles here of hypothesis and testing - have someone swap cables back and forth while you listen and show us that you can tell which cable is being used, blindly, with a high degree of accuracy. i still haven't seen that video. if anything the flat earth crowd should be equated with those who think that differences in (high signal level) cables are absolutely discernible. i want to buy your crossover upgrade for my newly-acquired LRS but this is making me reconsider...
@landisdavidson6648
@landisdavidson6648 3 года назад
iWii Reviews here on RU-vid just did a Cheap vs Expensive Interconnect Cable with SOUND DEMO last month. You can clearly hear, even through RU-vid, that there is a difference between the interconnects
@edgar9651
@edgar9651 3 года назад
There is no question about differences of cables. And the important differences are measurable.
@landisdavidson6648
@landisdavidson6648 3 года назад
@@nicoras8803 I admit that it turned out that, listening through RU-vid, I preferred the cheap cable. I suspect that in person I would prefer the more expensive cable but that the perhaps harsher tone of the cheap cable cut through the haze of all of the compression as well as my $10 earbuds better
@kevenharvey9711
@kevenharvey9711 3 года назад
If there is a difference, wouldn't the cable just color the sound ? Wouldn't it make more sense to want a cable that is as neutral as possible to lower the amount of variables in your system ?
@ernstraedecker6174
@ernstraedecker6174 3 года назад
In my experience audible differences in cables are predominantly due to the shielding and the coating, the insulator layer. And also to connectors and connections. There is an audible difference between copper and silver. However, it is very difficult to get silver right, especially the connections are problematic. So more often than not a silver cable will sound snotty and shitty. If done right, e.g. in speakers, and with adapted crossover and silver coils, you will get very open, very transparent and very sensitive speakers. They will show you everything. For example that most recordings are crappy...
@alexcristi878
@alexcristi878 2 года назад
make a sound test with different cables and show us the difference
@thereefaholic
@thereefaholic 2 года назад
Measurements or a tool. Measurements are this in there for that. Measurements show you what’s wrong or what needs work. But you can’t measure differences in cables you have to listen to them. Got it
@zippymagee
@zippymagee 3 года назад
Did you see Next Best Thing Studio trick? Posting randomly that he would change one component and record it. Post the files to compare then ask people to guess what it was. easy to hear a difference in recordings. And knowing he had a bunch of Amps in line for review that was most of the guesses. but the shocker was he borrowed high-end cables :D
@glmaughan
@glmaughan 3 года назад
There are many variables that are hard to measure but definitely effect the sound. Dielectric absorption - the amount of energy needed to charge and discharge the insulation; rectification noise - the sound of electrons jumping from strands to strands on multi stranded cables; contaminants in the conduction material itself; different time arrivals of the signal itself at different frequencies (skin effect is one cause); effects of inductance, capacitance, resistance. And their are more, but this is a good starting point.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 Double bling testing is just a regurgitated catch phrase. Double blind means the person doing the listening and the person doing the switching doesn't know which is which. David, the guy doing the switching always knows which is which. He has to see and touch the cables. Secondly, it does not matter if the guy doing the switching knows or not.
@manardh7387
@manardh7387 3 года назад
Run a single conductor bare wire, all worries go away. As long as the wire has a polished surface like stainless steel and won't corrode.
@dmark2639
@dmark2639 2 года назад
Technically, the world isn't flat nor round....its spherical! ;-)
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov 3 года назад
If there is any difference that could be heard I am pretty sure it could be measured as well. You just need to know what to measure and how to do that.
@mgsee
@mgsee 3 года назад
I think that is what he said. The issue is knowing what to measure and that could potentially be something that was previously unknown or not thought to be significant. Hence the need for ones ears to be the guide.
@flormanjr
@flormanjr 3 года назад
Mr Muscleman uses various sophisticated precision (his words) instruments in measuring cable differences. He also has an engineering degree. That's well and good! Unfortunately those measuring instruments are not capable of sensing sound stage, imaging, layering, width, depth, height etc. But the human (trained) ear can sense all these. NO engineering degree needed.
@osliverpool
@osliverpool 3 года назад
I'm taking neither side here. With my ears and my equipment, and the few cables I've been able to try, I've only once been able to hear any difference (and it was a clear difference, but one of the cables was super cheap and nasty). But there are people on both sides of the cable argument whose expertise and opinions I respect, and my own limited experience is really not sufficient. So here's one thing that really does puzzle me... Most of us don't have the money to buy lots of different expensive cables and compare them ourselves, so we have to rely on what reviewers say. And the gold standard for comparisons is the double blind test. So, given that this controversy has been going on for decades, and some properly designed double blind tests could surely settle it one way or another, why aren't they being done?
@osliverpool
@osliverpool 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 Some valid points there, yes. I think it's entirely plausible that a well designed cable could sound better - but my suspicion is that the majority of expensive cables out there simply do not. I'm sure a cable maker who genuinely believes they have better sounding cables could stump up the cash to pay for some proper academic double blind tests - and a proper double blind success could do wonders for their sales.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
The "double blind test" is little more than a catch phrase. Most people don't even realize what it really means and that it doesn't apply or is even possible to implement. I cover this and explain it in episode 4. Don't miss it.
@osliverpool
@osliverpool 3 года назад
I just found this Stereophile article by John Atkinson - www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/894awsi/index.html. And while I don't agree that double blind tests are no good, I think he does actually make some good points on the psychology of audio testing in general. I know that if I try to do critical comparisons (especially A/B/X), I quickly lose appreciation of the music itself and its subleties, and rapidly reach audio fatigue - whereas in "listening to music" rather than "listening to equipment" mode, I can listen and enjoy for hours on end.
@osliverpool
@osliverpool 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 Ah, I just went looking for it and couldn't find it, and then I realized you presumably mean episode 4 in this series which is yet to come ;-) I look forward to it.
@osliverpool
@osliverpool 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 Good point, I guess you'd need to do quick A/B/X comparisons.
@flashhog01
@flashhog01 3 года назад
Great video! “Using what they can measure to justify their beliefs.” Beautifully put Danny, it is an ideology.
@edgar9651
@edgar9651 3 года назад
Dear Danny, many of us like to watch many of your videos because you are obviously a great speaker/crossover designer. And in all your videos you show your measurements and if the measurements are not as good as you want then you change capacitors and inductors to make the measurements and the sound better. So far all is perfectly fine. And now you insult your listeners who look at measurements and capacitance and inductance and you call them flat-earthers. Do you think that is fair? And why talk about big aluminum cable or steel rods? Nobody is using those! If you want to compare your cables then please compare i.e. 12AWG copper cables with gold plates connectors (because of no corrosion) with your special cables. And if you like not only do measurements but also make double blind tests and look how many people will be able to hear a difference. I would love to see a double blind test with let's say 10 people and look how many of them are able to hear that your cables are better. But please be fair. Compare your special cables with good cables like 12AWG copper cables with gold plates connectors. Be fair and open minded. And please don't insult your listeners and customers. Thank you Danny
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Don't misunderstand. No insults intended for those (like myself) that measure everything. The point is that you can't draw conclusions on how something sounds based on the measurements. The measurements are a tool (a tool that I use every day) to identify and fix problems. However, in the end it all comes back to listening. And I have been through extensive listening tests and comparisons. That's what often sets my speakers apart. Hang in there on this one. There are quite a few episodes coming that cover everything else.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@davidlong1786 I'm not here to sell you something. I'm here to educate. And when I do offer something for sale it is a gem. It's value will exceed its price or I don't offer it. My goals are to offer value that you can't get anywhere else.
@ulamss5
@ulamss5 3 года назад
agree with most of your points, was hoping he would segue into some measurements, but it sounds like that's for future episodes. I don't think he was referring to you (or us) by the flat-earther comments, which is also the answer behind your question "why talk about big aluminum cable or steel rods?". It is because this is one of the most commonly quoted and misunderstood tests by the "flat-earthers" - there were posts reporting clothes hangars as being equally as good cables as the "best" headphone cables (these were Monster cables). This caught on like wildfire, and is all they know to regurgitate without looking into the actual test conditions, or even considering whether giant stiff rods are ergonomically acceptable as cables. Pretty sure these are the "flat-earthers" he's getting annoyed with.
@nickburak7518
@nickburak7518 3 года назад
I'm not a flat eather, but I find some of the flat-earth arguments compelling (like the Chicago skyline view from 40 plus miles away - its real, I've seen it, and it made me wonder, too. The round earth math shoul not allow the view.), but also there are even more baseless points. That's what Danny is talking about. But I'm not offended. And maybe Danny isn't perfect and this flat earth example wasn't his most brilliant thing. Who cares? People get so offended expecting others to tailor their approach for their own unique mind. Impossible. But what Danny is, is this: he's a hard-working honest guy just like so many, but he's a damb fine audio engineer, and he's not shy about saying something is nice when it's nice. Maybe its a bit of salesmanship, but if it's good, it's good. If you disagree, I'm sure Danny and the rest of us will be fine.
@TofumanFC3S
@TofumanFC3S 3 года назад
@@nickburak7518 Look over the surface of a glass bowl, it distorts the light passing through it. The atmosphere behaves in the same way. It’s not some kind of secret, it’s been observed and studied since forever and is one of the many reasons why “I’ll believe what I see” doesn’t always make sense in science
@gitech7450
@gitech7450 3 года назад
Looking forward to hearing the difference myself someday! Thanks again Danny. Cheers
@hoth2112
@hoth2112 3 года назад
Oop, there goes Danny setting internet fires again! ;P Looking forward to the next few videos in the series! In my little experience, a solid, clean connection from the amp to the crossover makes the biggest difference in clarity, while higher quality cables themselves lend themselves to a deeper/wider soundstage. Sadly no personal experience with power cords, I've only got the most stock/standard/generic onces available. :P
@humanitech
@humanitech 3 года назад
Good to stir the usual opposing positions and arguments again. But having borrowed and tried different interconnects and speaker cables just for fun. I have noticed subtle differences sonically...but found that good cheap ofc cables for speakers and belden for inters just sounded the best flavour for me. Which luckily was pretty cheap to buy and custom make to size. Never liked those silver tinned speaker cables for some reason...but then I'm old school lol.
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 3 года назад
Interesting argument. Ive actually wondered about this recently. Not necessarily about cables, but with other audio products.
@charlesgrubbs2101
@charlesgrubbs2101 3 года назад
@Douglas Blake If changes in caps makes a difference in crossovers, why doesn't it make a change in amp circuits?
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 3 года назад
@Douglas Blake Im aware of the psychological aspect of it. But ive read time and time again where people say that a denon receiver is just as good or better than $4-5K processor bc it measures better or it measures the same. And I've seen other similar stuff like that. But we know thats not the case and a more expensive product can legit sound better. Same thing with speakers. You can have two speakers with a similar response but one sounds noticeably better. So accepting that, then is there merit to sonic benefits with other things that people dismiss like speaker, cables, interconnects, power cords, etc.? I'm not interested enough to try for myself but I have wondered about it.
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 3 года назад
@Douglas Blake I like to think that there are differences that we need our ears to quantify. Now, I know that's a pandora's box but that's the point I was making.
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 3 года назад
@Douglas Blake That's one long response. I'm with you for the most part though. I'm certainly not arguing that expensive cables and interconnects will transform a system or serve any benefits at all. I've always bought into the science side of it. But i do spend a little extra for some name brand cables (belden, canare, mogami, etc.). I don't do it bc i believe Ill hear a difference though. I just like having some neatly wired quality cables in my rack. That all being said, ive never actually used or listened to any of the "snake oil" products. People swear they hear something. Other people swear there cant be difference. Then, ive also heard science minded people make similar statements about products that i have been able to listen to and have heard a difference. So, it opened my mind up a little bit to think maybe there are some differences in some of those "snake oil" products that can only be heard. But as I said before, I'm not that interested to go and try for myself. And even if i did there's no way to even know if am actually hearing a difference or I just think I am.
@ktchang7123
@ktchang7123 3 года назад
Now I begin to understand why they send him that shirt.
@tnksknt
@tnksknt 3 года назад
I'm in the middle of this video, and you just mentioned a listening test. But you _have_ to do a blind test. There are known ways to deal with the problems with psychology and placebo effects. A fair blind test is hard to set up, but it is possible with some effort and expense. I get very flustered by bad arguments being made on both sides.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Agreed. And I have made MANY blind listening tests. It will be discussed in the videos to come.
@rotecrl9719
@rotecrl9719 3 года назад
I like big nice cables for the feeling they give. But I don' t hear any difference whatsoever. Which is a perfectly fine reason for me to have them, as long as you can still pay your bills afterwards..
3 года назад
It's funny that you claim that somebody is just confirming their beliefs while "not using science", because you are doing exactly that. This video is 6 minutes of claiming that "cable non-believers" are full of bullsh**, and then for another 7 minutes the only "scientific" thing that you say is "inductance". Whoa! And quoting the movie: you are not doing any science, you are just doing enough to hold to your beliefs. Scientific method is straight as a wire and guess what! You are not using it!
@lloyd.8272
@lloyd.8272 3 года назад
Think there be other videos with tests ect,
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Keep watching. This one just laid a little ground work and confronted the flat earth guys right off the bat. They will be there right off the bat regardless.
@pjo1964
@pjo1964 2 года назад
Cables definitely make a difference, but it doesn't mean expensive cables are always better than cheaper cables. I have a set of Tara Labs RCA interconnect cables that make my whole system sound warmer. If you can't tell the difference between that cable and My Monster Cables or audioquest cables then you are deaf.
@beandean356
@beandean356 3 года назад
Water sticking to spinning balls experiment next please
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 3 года назад
Lol, there better be an A/B test at the end of this.
@iliascharis5668
@iliascharis5668 3 года назад
Please also do a video in treatment and room acoustics ....there is no point to have the best speakers in the world in a poor room ....
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
I cover that in depth in episode 4.
@markwilding3828
@markwilding3828 3 года назад
When the whole flat earth thing really flared up, I found something really fascinating. I noticed that those who argued and ridiculed the flat earth believers, for the most part, had equally flawed logic supporting their belief that was spherical.... They might be right, but they certainly didn't have any reason for their intellectual smugness. Even deGrass Tyson said some quite dopey things about it - presenting 'proofs' that weren't proofs.
@montynorth3009
@montynorth3009 3 года назад
If there were any differences, they would be extremely tiny in the overall scheme of things within the audio chain. I once knew a bloke who had the pins of his mains plug gold plated, and he said he was amazed at the improvement in openness and clarity of his audio system.
@ernstraedecker6174
@ernstraedecker6174 3 года назад
Where did you get this idea that sonic differences would be tiny?
@64fairlane305
@64fairlane305 3 года назад
Speakercables is a part as the amplifiers secondary loop and must be sized to handle it`s dynamic potencial without restricting it.
@davidrusso4750
@davidrusso4750 3 года назад
Have you ever considered characterizing cables by using an impulse test? Similar to the impulse test used by the Absolute Sound and Stereophile to characterize a crossover? My thinking is that such a test would show how the cable responds to a wide frequency input. Because ultimately a cable is a crossover - loaded on one end and provided an input on the other.
@miroslavkelekovic2507
@miroslavkelekovic2507 Год назад
The cable is an transmission line and not crossover.
@stephenmorrissey1254
@stephenmorrissey1254 3 года назад
3:24 The earth isn't Flat. It isn't Round either. It is closer to Sphere.
@Yiannis2112
@Yiannis2112 3 года назад
A sphere is round. You mean elliptical.
@stephenmorrissey1254
@stephenmorrissey1254 3 года назад
@@Yiannis2112 True.
@garypettee8137
@garypettee8137 2 года назад
I would like to see a new cable test designed to introduce specific distortions into various sample cable types so we can see how the various cables handle the interference. The people saying that cable types don't make a difference are not testing under the correct experimental conditions/parameters. Ex: EMP through two diff style cables with the same Inductance values will not produce the same effect.
@sirroger1066
@sirroger1066 3 года назад
LoL this will cause some overheated brains, a never ending story. but so interesting tanks for your input
@crossocean5663
@crossocean5663 3 года назад
British audiophile (Tarun) covers this topic well balanced.
@Cardas_Copper
@Cardas_Copper 3 года назад
Cardas Audio because I like sacred geometry lol
@danieljohnson6370
@danieljohnson6370 3 года назад
I dunno if Cardas sounds better because I can't afford it, but sacred geometry is The Shiz. Maybe I'm just jealous...
@shelly6482
@shelly6482 3 года назад
Mars landing CGI was legit
@shelly6482
@shelly6482 3 года назад
Theorys cartoons CGI pseudoscience all for the people with low IQ
@eightrodway
@eightrodway 3 года назад
I'm with you, Danny.
@sjhorton1184
@sjhorton1184 3 года назад
Almost ALL science is just measurements to justify an assumption. Real breakthroughs happen when the data change those assumptions but advances come when we figure out how to get the actually important data by inventing new methods of measuring and when we figure out what to actually measure. There is more that we do not yet know than what we do - maybe.
@listeningto8371
@listeningto8371 3 года назад
Again, subjective listening is a million miles away from science Danny!
@tweakknob
@tweakknob 3 года назад
An idea maybe would be to compare the sound that you record from the speakers. Using two really good microphones and with cheap VS audiophile cable. If there is an audible differences it should be possible to show with graphs of frequencies etc right?
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
There maybe some recorded stuff on this subject coming. But the differences don't show up in the measurements.
@BullrullarN
@BullrullarN 3 года назад
Why is it important to have filtering speaker cables when the cables inside the speakers tend to be of the basic kind? Sure, they are normally less exposed to other components (amps and power cables). Can the copper wire used in the coils in the crossover also work as a antenna? Would shielding the crossover give a improvement in sound?
@ulamss5
@ulamss5 3 года назад
i'm no expert, but i'd guess that internal speaker cables can get away with it (so to speak) because they're very short, too short to noticeably behaver as antennae.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Wait until you see the videos to come.
@nickburak7518
@nickburak7518 3 года назад
Good question. I'd like the answer to that one. In any case I'm sure that whatever wireless frequencies touch the internal wiring of a speaker are also touching the internal wiring of all electronics parts. When will it end? It's minor. My system is a modest one and I like it a lot. I don't hear the radio channels leaking through.
@manardh7387
@manardh7387 3 года назад
That's why I rewired the inside of my speakers with bare wire.
@edwardmonsariste4050
@edwardmonsariste4050 2 года назад
Seriously test a wire coat hanger vs an expensive speaker cable.
@RealHIFIHelp
@RealHIFIHelp 3 года назад
It's an art. And it works. But you have to also have a decent system and skills to really be able to hear differences between cables. There is also a lot of gear out there that is so bad, that going from the worst to best cables, almost is impossible to hear. Also not only are many not measuring the right things. Many times it just is not possible to measure these things.
@Yiannis2112
@Yiannis2112 3 года назад
If it rattles less, it goes faster too. You spend less time vertically and more horizontally, hence more time going forward. You'll arrive at your destination faster.
@markwilding3828
@markwilding3828 3 года назад
measurements are all very well. It is good, from an engineering point of view, to know a speaker is functioning correctly. But what I want out of a pair of speakers is for a double bass to sound like a double bass and a bassoon to sound like a bassoon. Their are no laboratory instruments that will tell you that. If I am listening to a musical instrument playing a note a 500hz, It is of relatively minor importance that I am hearing it at the correct dB level if it sounds like a sine wave. A frequency response graph does not tell you if a violin sounds like a violin.
@cheeky50862
@cheeky50862 3 года назад
Resistance, inductance, capacitance. That's it.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
If only that were true.
@ernstraedecker6174
@ernstraedecker6174 3 года назад
Nope. That's only okay if you send a simple sine wave through the cable. But now start sending a complex signal through the cable. Lot's of different freqs and amplitudes at the same time, attacks, bursts, decays, impulses. Now you should do measurements that really catch what is going on, capacitance, inductance, resistance, and all that. From your measurements you should be able to FULLY reconstruct the original sound. After all, you tell us that your measurements are all there is. If not, then your measurements miss essential information. So now my question. Why have objectivists NEVER been able to reconstruct a complex music signal from their measurements? We're not talking sampling here, you naughty boy, because we're not doing sampling. We're doing your full and complete measurements. Prove to me that your measurements are full and complete.
@cheeky50862
@cheeky50862 3 года назад
So just like God..... There are no measurements that prove it......
@alanm.thornton4055
@alanm.thornton4055 3 года назад
My thoughts: some audio components are like STEAK! Take two steaks. One steak from El Cheapo market that came from a cow locked in a pen from day 1 and shovel fed corn, and another steak from a rancher that grazes the cattle in the mountains with fresh water, wild grasses sage and foliage. You take half of both steaks and send them off to a lab for vitamin and mineral fat protein and nutrition analysis. The other half, you cook on a propane grill to medium: no salt, no pepper, no spices no nothing. Lab tests come back, and what do you know, the two steaks have 98% of the exact same and equal amounts of the exact same nutritional elements! Now taste those two steaks, and lo and behold....THEY TASTE TOTALLY DIFFERENT! But science says they are the same. They measure the same, but yet they taste totally different. *NOTE: This does not apply to ALL electronic or audio components.
@ichigobankai2343
@ichigobankai2343 3 года назад
They cant measure the difference in taste.
@thepracticingcurmudgeon3645
@thepracticingcurmudgeon3645 3 года назад
excellent analogy, Alan.
@jimjay8828
@jimjay8828 3 года назад
Sure, do some multiple blind ABX listening tests
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Done, and more on that coming.
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 Good, cuz I’m sick of all these BS naysayer comments. Your work is very much appreciated, Danny.
@buddystewart2020
@buddystewart2020 3 года назад
Seems pretty easy to me. If you hear a difference, an improvement, do it. If you don't, don't do it. Everybody doesn't hear the same thing to begin with. I have a serious case of tinnitus, from playing on a lot of loud stages. There aren't any filters out there that will block that off, it's always there. I can still tell the difference between something that sounds better than something else, but there's that ring, that will always be there too.
@Thunderbird139
@Thunderbird139 3 года назад
Somebody PLEASE try a piece of rebar as a cable and let us know.
@patrickfinlay2074
@patrickfinlay2074 2 года назад
I use the same speaker cables that Abbey road studios use…… not that expensive and interconnects from Rega that they recommended for their system that they developed
@adambrown8867
@adambrown8867 3 года назад
All cables sound different. However overpriced fancy silver or gold core cables that only rich people can afford are not at all necessary to get satisfying hifi sound to average working people who like quality hifi they can actually afford. They will buy the best sounding $100 cable over some $1,000-$10,000 cable & be perfectly happy with it, because it's good enough to them. Economics matter.
@jsmctch
@jsmctch 3 года назад
would ad that cables that use 99.99999% silver are expensive because of the cost of the precious metal.... They use silver because its a better conductor than copper. But there are those who price some of those cable astronomically.
@mgsee
@mgsee 3 года назад
This appies to everything. Each person has to determine for themselves what they think is worthwile and if it's worth paying for the benefit.
@parthiancavalry
@parthiancavalry 3 года назад
11:56 show us and explain the measurement then, as a student in acoustical engineering that would be an excellent video, thx
@MrConcord75
@MrConcord75 3 года назад
Yikes. 14 minutes of babbling in circles about only his science being right. And this coming from someone that rebuilds cross overs. Not a good start. Waiting for part 2.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Hang in there. We are just getting started.
@TeslaNick2
@TeslaNick2 3 года назад
Danny knows his crossover design but his cable quackery is very suss. My senior Dolby engineer colleague specs solid core mains cable for their flagship Dolby Cinema Atmos installations.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@TeslaNick2 Justy because you don't understand something doesn't make it quackery. Hang in there and I'll try to make sense of it for you.
@bertoray5497
@bertoray5497 3 года назад
You mean I have to listen to determine what sounds better? What sorcery is this?
@dilbyjones
@dilbyjones 3 года назад
bertoray hehe
@andypaul1752
@andypaul1752 3 года назад
I agree…
@stevenichols5708
@stevenichols5708 3 года назад
I am not on either side on this debate. If cables do matter then why not eliminate them by moving components as close to the speakers as possible? I would think by doing this the damping factor would increase and the effect of the cables would be diminished.
@tweakradje
@tweakradje 3 года назад
Jay from "The Next Best Thing Studio" had an interesting test with 5 listeners. Conclusion: yes you can hear, but prference is something else and it would be the last prio. Soundstage made the most difference. (120 vs 4000 $)
@nicktube3904
@nicktube3904 3 года назад
Good work Danny! Glad I’m on a round earth!🎶
@Geerladenlad
@Geerladenlad 3 года назад
Does silver speaker wire sound different than copper?
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
Yes it does.
@callumwiseman
@callumwiseman 3 года назад
@@dannyrichie9743 better or worse?
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 года назад
@@callumwiseman Different. So long as you are mixing them, then you can get good results with either.
@trevorvantiel453
@trevorvantiel453 3 года назад
Love the shirt Danny. Classic! Call you soon about my Monitor 9's. Thanks for all your hard work. All the best. 👍
@jimgardiner1558
@jimgardiner1558 3 года назад
Don’t sell our ears short on what they can discern. Even the average person can tell there is something wrong with their car engine just by the sound of it. They may not know what it is but they can hear that it doesn’t sound normal. An experienced mechanic will often know specifically what the problem is from the sound (or at least what to look for). Our ears seem to be able to focus in on minute details like a loose valve tappet might make a faint metallic sound but the mechanic hears it “clear as a bell”. I doubt that a spectrum analysis of the sound would be able to show you the issue as clearly. So measurements have their place but so do listening tests.
@jimgardiner1558
@jimgardiner1558 3 года назад
@Douglas Blake Actually I do have some experience using spectrum analyzers. I have a "TrueRTA" Real Time Spectrum Analyzer that I downloaded about 12 years ago. Also as a Machinery Engineer I have used FFT analyzers for many years to diagnose machinery vibration problems and I agree they are great tools once you understand what you are looking at. Strangely though I still trusted my ear and a screwdriver to listen for early stage bearing failure. I found I could hear minor bearing faults (minor spalling) before I could detect them with the analyzer. This way we had early warning and would increase our monitoring frequency. Once the bearing faults started to show up on the analyzer it was time to take the machine out of service for repair. You are right that the spectrum analyzer can reveal issues that your ear can't detect but the reverse is also true to some extent. You definitely need to use both when evaluating equipment. The thing about the analyzer is it can quantify the issue better where the ear is more subjective.
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