"Normal people... believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet." --Scott Adams.
He used to get a massive number of emails every day from readers who swear that he works at their company. His strip mirrored prevalent corporate culture.
Even dumber is the people who stop their car, the car shuts itself off... Then they restart their car and then go into the store! They actually had to take EXTRA actions to be lazy and leave their cars running for twenty minutes while they shop. And yeah, they're the first people to bitch if gas goes up 3 cents a gallon.
Yep. First car I drove with it was a rental in Hawaii, some sort of Dodge caravan if I remember right. Hated it immensely, day 3 my wife found out how you could turn that feature off. Problem was you have to disable the feature every time you got in the vehicle 😠
No, that's solar, windmills, electric cars/trucks/busses, and mandated CFC lights, this is way down the list of stupid ideas that are bad for the environment, but "sound" good.
@fordcrews3362 like the DEF fluid I have to add to my truck. Comes in a plastic container, in a cardboard box made out of God knows what processing, materials and chemicals. Plastic, cardboard, manufacturing and shipping said product around the country must have a high "carbon footprint" My truck takes about two of these boxes of Def every few weeks, guess where the plastic and cardboard go, yep, the landfill to complete the circle of life 😔
It's not too bad if you can get regular oil changes, brakes, and tires. With the price of an oil change these days, I do my own oil and brakes now. It's not hard to do with a small investment in brake tools. The folks at your local auto parts store can show you what to buy. Plenty of helpful videos on RU-vid to show you what to do. Just be safe about it. Use body stands! Not just a floor jack.
Out of curiosity, I looked up the price on rock auto for my 2019 equinox. Reman starter around $200 to $250 not counting core. Not nearly as bad as I expected. I'm my own mechanic so no labor. I still hate stop / start. I need to delete it. Mine doesn't have a button to turn it off.
In the old days, starters and altenators were easily cleaned and rebuilt. There were shops in towns were you could take a starter or altenator and get them rebuilt usually for less than $20. This was the days before digital vehicles. When a bendix spring went out it was easily replaced.
I'm 68 I've never seen the shop you are talking about and I was in the car Business for 35 years. You can get rebuilt parts. and have a shop install them. But they don't rebuild anything on site.
I worked at Volvo, and one of our customers ended up stranded on the highway because the car was showing a lack of fluid (coolant, I believe). The customer had no choice because his new car literally lost power and forced him to pull over. The worst part was that the car's computer was wrong and the fluid was perfect. One of the sensors died, tricking the system into misdiagnosis. I hate these computers on wheels.
My truck gives me an error code every time I drive it for low coolant. It’s not low but the sensor thinks it is. It only stays on at startup and goes away after a few seconds.
My Volvo semi tractor stalled during a turn because it thought the coolant was low. I was able to coast to the shoulder where a pimp was standing, and he thought I was a customer... 😑
@@NarwahlGaming Our buses "derate" (lose power) if you take a turn and the bus leans too much due to uneven roads... the sensor tells the computer to kill power in case the bus is tipping over.
I work at a CDJR dealership and I had this concern 10 years ago when we started using this system...but...surprisingly enough we have zero starter issues.
Congratulations the cars you worked with are middle aged. They would typically have plenty of life left so I wouldn’t expect any issues even on older more reliable cars.
I work as a tire/battery tech and if a car uses this feature we can only sell the customer the more expensive battery because if they use the cheaper flooded battery its not designed to constantly start up and turn off. And ive heard stories of peoples batteries dying while theyre waiting at the red light
You have to replace the battery with the equivalent that was there or better in capacity and cranking amps doesnt matter if its flooded or lithium or whatever other type. Watt hours are what matter, an AGM battery also was never designed to start and stop, just the design allows it to have higher capacity which a good quality lead acid over a cheap lead acid also has and it allows more starts and stops before it dies. unless you are changing the charging system of the car if a flooded battery has the same specs as the one youre taking out then it will work fine. it also has to fit in the hole lol which is probably the limitation alot of times I just checked online for the only vehicle I have with auto start stop a 2022 ford edge and the OEM battery is 160$ USD and if I look aftermarket it suggests a optima yellow top that runs above 300$ pretty sure optima yellow tops are AGM style as is the ford OEM but if i were to be able to fit a lead acid in the spot that had the same ammount of watt hours in it it would last just as long, would just be bigger once a business has a reason to sell things that are more expensive they will generally go that route and most people have no clue what a watt hour even is so its easy sale where the customer complains about the manufacturer/feature not the person selling them the battery
@ThatOneGuyAtTheRange Totally agree I prefer to drive vehicles made before the 2000's.. Really prefer vehicles that have 0 additional nonsense to be able to use the engine just need a couple wires to get some power to the starter & distributor & a nice carburetor.. None of this modern vehicles with multiple computers & billions of relays needed just to be able to start the engine & if 1 relay fails most likely the engine won't run or possibly won't run properly even if the relay is for something unrelated to anything with the engine..
@taylorpratt6287 you say that like 90s cars are cheap. At this point they're neo-classics and highly sought after for their simplicity and collector value. Just like every other classic after 30 years. We're maybe 10 years from mint 90s civics and s10s selling for $50k at Barret-Jackson.
Secondary income generators. That's what I call all the fancy nonsense. My car stops on highway. Towed into dealership. Technician: "oh, here's the problem, your windshield washer tank is empty."
Of course it extends the life. Simple physics. If the stator doesn't have to move, it won't wear out as quickly. There's no oil in a starter, so any movement is metal on metal. Friction slowly wears away the contacts
@@asajayunknown6290 you’re right but she says “theres nothing you can do to extend the life of the starter”. Obviously turning off that feature will not add to the number of starts you get until you have to replace it
I‘ve had a Toyota with this function since 2012, and it still works perfectly fine. Granted if the video is true mine doesn’t have the counter but it has the start stop function. I think the concern about it is overblown, but the concept of a fixed counter is obviously stupid. I will say, that car is a hybrid, so even if the starter failed you could still drive it for a short while
@@felixsmdtMost hybrid vehicles do NOT have a conventional 12v starter for the engine (at least with domestics). The high voltage electric drive motor is used to start the engine. This is why a completely dead high voltage battery will leave you stranded and unable to start the engine
Yes, I need to find a car & truck pre computer days. When they started putting computers in vehicles is when they started going down hill. My brother has a 1972 F100 with the 390 & he also has a 2023 F-150 Limited, I'd take the 72 anyday over that other POS.
I have been saying this for quite a few years now but nobody believes me I own a 92 Cadillac DeVille with 1700000 on it and the car just keeps ticking along and no major repairs other than motor mounts and security system I love this car
Same from the environmental standpoint. They "pay back period" is long! Sure buying a more efficient and green car absolutely can have a positive effect on carbon footprint but not if you're replacing it every 2-3 years!
Shes not saying its worse than older starters in fact she says it lasts longer. Its a heavier duty starter. Modern vehicles are more reliable unless you are buying a dodge.
There is not LITERALLY nothing you can do about it. There are aftermarket parts you can 100% buy to bypass such a feature as well as shut the feature off completely with the proper coding tool (usd >$100)
@@Flamingtac0every time you fore it up. Easier way. They have a memory kit that retains your chosrn setting. Installed one in my wife's Rubican. No more having to hit disable each time we start it up.
The most unsettling feeling is your car shutting off in traffic.i drive old cars when that happens it means you have problems.so any time I've been in a new car with it I'm always like oh fuck
One of the advantages of electric (plenty of disadvantages currently, not trying to sell anyone) is that this "feature" is basically baked into the design. Electric motors don't have to idle, so they are effectively "off" every time you come to a complete stop.
I find the start stop annoying but the one that I have to turn off is when the wives car pulls on the steering wheel to keep the car centred in the lane. A steering wheel pulling in my hands indicates a big problem to me.
I bought an aftermarket part for my VW that goes right in line with the wire harness for the automatic start/stop button, so it now defaults to off. Best $60 I've ever spent.
I wonder if they have something like that for Ford? I've got a 2020 Ford Explorer XLT and it *ALWAYS* defaults to the auto start/stop being enabled even after re-starting the vehicle!!! 😬
You can get this for just about any vehicle. I got it for my 2016 Tahoe LTZ. Then I realized the entire truck was garbage and traded it in for a Tesla model X and haven’t looked back
@@FayeHadleyon the jeep Cherokee 2023 I didn't know my daughter actually showed me you can turn that off with the press of a button. But everytime you start the car it resetts. So you gotta do it everytime.. It was so annoying every stop turning off and on
my 94 toyota pickup is 30yo this month, 442K miles on the original motor, on my 4th battery, 2nd clutch, 7 minutes to change my oil, no major issues, just reliable
Honda's engine start/stop doesn't use the starter. It fires a cylinder that is halfway to TDC, this gives another cylinder enough compression that it fires normally, starting the engine
300,000 times which is about 10years of service. Assuming the starter isn’t defective and stops working after 30,000 starts when your warranty no longer covers the $2000-2500 replacement.
@@darkknight097yeah, but not in small towns like mine. Idling in rush hour traffic is also horrible for your engine, so that stop/go traffic is just going to be expensive no matter what.
Can you not turn the feature off with a button in the cabin? My work truck has buttons that I have to make sure are switched on before I drive. Just get in the habit of pressing the button. Problem solved
If you Have a good enough mechanic he or she can go into the Car's computer system and turn the stop start feature off. The UP side will be the Starter will last 1K years.
A starter usually fails when you are parked somewhere safe. These start/stop SOBs usually give out in a busy intersection at rush hour. Which usually tosses a bit extra on the tow job as well. I know from experience. Luckily it was a company vehicle and I didn’t have to pay. Newer vehicles are designed to fail in expensive ways.
Not correct for vehicle where the starter is engaging at every stop. Clearly one would want to replace it proactively - but you can ignore the replace now light at your risk.
@@charliew9515 That's what I'm thinking. "Oh, it's probably still good, why is it telling me to replace it?" Because a *lot* of engineering went into figuring out at what point it became statistically likely to fail, and the warning is there so that doesn't happen.
@@brocka.6479"A lot" is an over statement. It's a guess. How do I know that? They could have put a sensor to detect voltage drop. That would have been more accurate. This is a money grab, do not fool yourself of otherwise.
Those reverse lights drive me nuts . I ride a motorcycle and I think those vehicles are backing up but noooo their texting just like when they pull out in front of me going forward.
As an Automotive Tech that has worked on cars, especially older carburetor cars, when a modern car shuts down, the 1st thing you think of is that it stalled..maybe its just me😂
@FayeHadley Question, if the counter is reset and starter is not changed is not working? If not then there is a part serial number software, or it just needs to be unpluged and pluged back in? I know that Renault had something like this, but I am working in IT so I might be getting this wrong. Cheers!
Ha! I rented one of those while visiting Ireland in 2003...... Decent runabout, but I learned the tail end gets loose faster then 65 Miles an hour..... So I drove slower... And the steering wheel is on the wrong side, need to fix that.... But an ok car...
If you build cars for a living to sell, the last thing you want to do is build cars that will never need to be replaced or never need some kind of maintenance. Auto makers understand this and have to factor in areas that will need maintenance in their designs.
My company has a policy of turning off our spotter units when sitting for more than 3 minutes. Not only does this eat up starters, it eats up the ring gear on the front of your transmission. Try putting a truck down from anywhere a week to three weeks because you have to pull the transmission out. It’s not my money so knock yourself out, as far as buying a car personally that does this hell no
@@felixsmdt is that actually what it is? Wow I didnt expect even 6 digits I posted that before I knew that number. I guess thats true. I dunno maybe Im over conserving. But theres more than just the starter. The flywheel is involved the electrical system. I know people smarter than I made the thing but I always know best I suppose haha
@@felixsmdtthe biggest thing it actually does has nothing to do with the starter. Every time your engine shuts off the oil drains ack to the pan. When the engine restarts it has a small moment where it is not fully lubricated repeat this 75 times a day and your going to have faster wear on many engine parts.
@@EfJuanFitty_Eco_Beast_518 great 2 more parts to go bad and you still can’t tell me that repeated starts don’t cause more wear and tear overall to the engine this is all so stupid for what the ability to say it gets 1/2 mpg better in the city. I know Bronco I currently drive often has a lag right as you accelerate also that is very annoying. As soon as the warranty periods are over I will be removing the feature from it. for now I will have to live with having to hit a second button every time I get in and start the engine. This feature is only really a considerable fuel savings if your driving conditions are in constant stop and go type environment otherwise it is just an annoyance.
This is why older vehicles are much better than this new ones today. There's a reason why they wanted old Vehicles off the road not because of the rust but because they were too easy to fix
And the manufacturers/dealerships are constantly trying to redefine purchase to mean what we currently understand as lease because they don't make money past the point of sale on a purchase
Most cars give you the option to turn that feature off, but it resets to its default on condition each time that you start the car. Therefore you have to remember to turn the feature off each time that you start the engine. I wish that there was a way to disable it.
My car has the auto start stop AND doesnt have a button to shut it off. But theres this little harness cable you can buy to hook up in line with your hood latch to trick the car into thinking your hood is open so it disables it. Cool thing is it doesnt throw any codes and it doesn't say your hood is open or anything. Best mod ive done
Are you sure about that? Is it a regular car or a hybrid? If it's a regular internal engine combustion car I would definitely look at the manual I try to find an online forum for your specific make and model. Sometimes it's in an awkward spot.
If your vehicle has a plug-in for trailer lights such as a pickup or most SUVs, you can plug in a trailer light tester and it will trick the vehicle into thinking a trailer is attached. Auto start/stop is disabled when towing a trailer. They cost about $10.
I'm old school as well and I recently replaced my starter myself, I think it cost me about 200.00 it took me about an hour , my starter was an original , from 1995 , and the only reason it failed was because the fly wheel was bad .
I am not an auto mechanic, but I do repair equipment daily and in my years of service, I can assure you that the one thing every part ever made will do consistently, is break or wear out. I disable that feature in our vehicle, the starter will last the life of the vehicle.
it doesnt just wear out your starter it puts unnecessary stress on your timing chain... Working for BMW I've already replaced a ton of worn out chains on cars with under 100k miles.
BMW, the biggest disappointment in the industry. I remember as a kid in the 80s…there was nothing that meant quality more than BMW and Mercedes…then Lexus came along in the 90s and it was all over but the crying.
@@karlkemble2273 Just because you haven't seen one without the idle stop feature, it doesn't mean I'm wrong. I am a Nissan salesman in Arizona. Some of our bese model cars don't have it. My 2023 Nissan Altima S doesn't have it. However, some states, like California, require that feature. So all cars have it there.
The starter on my Astro cost me $75.00, and I replaced it myself in my driveway in less than an hour. Two bolts, two nuts, preceded by simple diagnostics. I didn't have to pay some Romulan wannabe social media mechanic!!!
I've got a 1998 Astro I've now had for 19 years. I have yet to replace the starter and she has 223,000 miles on her. I will concede that she has an oil leak, about two cups every 3000 miles. Otherwise, she's a good runner.
I find it annoying and not worth the .01% fuel saving since I do very little city driving. My car has a stop/start defeat button which is permanently engaged.
@@patrickakers5062not always true, my 2018 GMC terrain had no way to disable or turn off the stop/start function. I am a car salesman and It was my demo for 3 years. I did learn that if you come to a complete stop and immediately lift off the break the very second the car stops moving, and then press the break down fully again it will stay running. But that was just a trick I learned after driving it for years. I generally do not care for these stop start features but they have been improving, I can say that on the new Mazda CX90’s that feature is almost unnoticeable, like there is almost no pause before the car starts and moves it must be only a couple hundred milliseconds
@@patrickhandyside9490 I remember the first time I encountered auto start stop features it was a toyota highlander and I R&R the alternator..got to a light..though the car died hahaha, go in on your terrain with the scan tool and find the pid to shut it off permanently...your vehicle is pre button deactivation because all GM, chevrolet vehicles have a physical button now to shut it off
Honda actually fixed this The issue of the starter dying. By redesigning their engine on the Honda CR-Z it has a integrated electric motor where the flywheel would be on most cars which turns the engine to start it up. It also has a secondary backup starter which operates only when it's cold. This ensures that the vehicle does not burn out its starter. While still being able to seamlessly start and stop like an electric vehicle but still have the advantages of an internal combustion engine.
Forget the starter. Auto start/stop prematurely wears out your engine. Most engine wear occurs in the first seconds, after it is started, before it fully builds oil pressure.
Older cars are the best cars. I'm still driving my dads F-150 1981.Shes in showroom condition. He bought it in 81 and gave it to me when I graduated college in 92. Gas mileage isn't great, but it runs and runs.
@@glennmorgan4197 Oh, but you an if it's a manual transmission. I drove one car for over 30 years without even having to replace the clutch. My father-in-law was a mechanic. He had some customers who wore out clutches every 6 to 12 months. It all comes down to whether or not a person really knows how to operate the vehicle.
Proper hybrids get around this problem by foregoing the starter entirely. They use the propulsion electric motor to crank the internal engine over through the torque splitter. Pretty smart start stop, actually, the internal combustion engine starts while you're already rolling away under electric power without delay.
Yeah, my 2002 Prius is more annoying when it's running for no reason (or running to reestablish a cold reserve in the air conditioning evaporator) then when it shuts off.
@@codyturner9953my jeep grand had start stop and ran main battery down after accessory. $700 for main and accessory batteries. They’re under the passenger seat so had to hire a mobile mechanic, places like autozone won’t touch in cabin batteries. Dumbest vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Changed the aux battery on my 2019 chrysler pacifica twice in 3 years. So dumb. Figured out that if i unplugged a wire clip at the negative terminal of the main battery, no more auto start/ stop.
Also, when that automatic start stop feature keeps doing it in traffic, youll use a but more fuel each time in a diesel compared to a gasoline/petrol engine. Speaking from experience.
The question is whether it's justified and a good preventative measure because they actually know when most failures will occur, or if it's just to make another "regularly scheduled maintenance" procedure for the dealer to make money
As far as I know most engine wear happens on startup due to low oil pressure, so I think it's fair to assume you wear out more than just the starter with start stop systems.
The reason that cars get the most wear on cold start is because the tolerance is aren't right till the engine warms up start stop systems do not make this problem worse as the engine is already to temp
@mythicalducky Wrong! Engine wear happens at startup because it takes several seconds to fully pressurize the engine oiling system. In the meantime, the engine must rely on residual oil on all the parts that reqire oil. When the engine is cold, the tolerances between moving parts is actually greater and "less" prone to wear. As an engine heats up, those tolerances decrease. (But, the engine oiling system will keep them from touching.) That is why you have an engine "cooling system" to make sure that the engine doesn't get too hot. Reducing the engine tolerances below design specifications. If it does, the engine could seize. Start/Stop systems have only one purpose purpose. To save fuel. Not necessarily for the individual consumer. But, for the "Corporate Fuel Economy" standards. Auto manufacturers that don't meet this standard in their models are "fined" for every .01 mpg that they miss it by. This money come out of their profits.
@@phillipmoore6295great explanation! start stop would probably be just fine if they found a way to keep the oil flowing despite the engine being off, or it would at least alleviate some of the wear issues. It would probably be beneficial overall if you could have even a small amount of oil being pushed through ports before the engine is cranked imo, but I don't think anyone puts RND money into that kind of a system these days
@AndreiGrozea Yeah automobile manufacturers don't care about you, one tiny bit. If they installed some type of "pre oiling" system in your car they would pass along twice the cost to the consumer, and cry like babys. Most "newish" Caterpillar Heavy Equipment comes with a pre oiling system. It is a mecanically charged oil reservoir (with a hydraulic spring) that can pre lube the engine before startup, so that when you start the engine, full oil pressure is achieved almost instantly. When you turn the key, the computer says "Aha, he wants to start the engine, what's the oil pressure? Zero. Hold it. Release the pre lube oil. As soon as the oil pressure reaches X, turn the starter and start the engine." At first the time delay can be off-putting (2-5 seconds warm weather, as much as a minute or more in cold weather, because the manifold heater, pre heats the air intake manifold). But, in my experience, this system works very well. But, those machines are very expensive. Who knows how much that system costs. But, for contractors, less than an engine rebuild.
No, most engine wears happen on cold start when all oil has drained to the bottom. Start stop does not allow the engine to stop long enough for the oil to drain fully. Also, modern oils leave a film on surfaces for longer and protect better than older cars. Then add the fact that they re-enforce wear parts for this like the main bearings in my car are better designed and made than ones who dont use start stop. It is almost like some thought went into it, given my 9 year old start stop hasn't had any engine work other than new spark plugs and an oxygen sensor. Even the accessory belt is original.
Thank you. I know some people who would go for 150 years with that math, and some who would go 20 years. Either way, I'm not a fan of features like this, but she misled us pretty bad then.
@@jamesinc87 that's a fair one, and I am worried about the planned-obsolescence. This design might sound decent for a normal person's driving habits, but I'm driving a 94 Chevy and it's still going strong after 30 years. The software lockout is my biggest concern for a fix like this, it forces you to only go to the dealer and that option will also go away with time, forcing you to replace a vehicle that would have been repairable otherwise.
Yeah one of my cars, a Mercedes which does not allow me to program out the auto start, would probably cycle 200 times a day if I didnt manually shut it off every time. It's dangerous, when parking for sure.
I also hate the "feature" that when a car is in front of you and your car thinks you aren't stopping or slowing down fast enough it warns you with a sound or light. I've been driving for over 30 years. I don't need a f-ing car to tell me how to drive.
Most cars that have the stop/start engine feature also have a button or a switch to disable it. My advice is to keep that feature turned off as the act of constantly starting and stopping your engine will wear it out prematurely. Scotty Kilmer has done many videos explaining this and he’s an honest reputable mechanic.
On Jeeps JLs and JTs, the main issue that happens with the auto start stop (abbreviate it, it's funny) deals with the aux battery dying. Most people will just remove the aux battery altogether to get rid of the auto start stop issue that arises.
I'm less worried about the life of the starter. What's more worrisome is the fact you're starting up with zero oil pressure and you're driving off without sufficient time to get the flowing from the oil pan to the top end.
The best part is all these years we could of built these starters to last longer like these ones, but we never did because that would decrease profits from repairs.
You can buy a module to piggyback onto your ECU that shuts this feature off without you having to press it every time. It also adds a ton of other features you didn't know you wanted.
I was a starter engineer at ford in 90s. This technology was new and we put starter motors on delivery fleet vehicles that stop and go often to test them. We looked into different brushes and magnets that have longer life than the ones used in normal starters. So they, back then, weren’t the same as the normal starters
@@spookyskeleton216 I was initially an application Engineer on the Ford Probe/Mazda Mx-6 Starter. There where really two starters one for the Diesel (2.2Kw) Euro/world applications and one that was used pretty much across the board on US applications (1.1Kw I believe). Only change was the pinion and/Or housing to mate to different flywheels. In the prototype dept we where working on the "advanced" ones for Auto stop engine applications and mentioned above. So yes they where for sure on the 4.6 modular engine (that was pretty much on every vehicle Ford made :) and I assume on 5.4.
No kidding. That's cool thanks for the info. To replace one on an f150 is one of the most annoying things I've ever had to do. Gm ones are so much simpler.
I disabled this on both our Subie and Kia Stinger because the auto stop feature killed the battery in both of our cars. I did add a solar panel to keep the battery on the Stinger topped up but I still won't enable this feature again. In fact I suspect the auto-stop feature is why battery manufacturers have been scaling their warranties back. The constant deep cycles is hell on lead-acid cells.
I believe this, my 2019 Odyssey, eats through batteries. My G8 has only lost one battery since it was new in 2008 when I put it in winter storage without a tender one year.
I love the feature on our Rav4. It is helpful to anticipate light changes as to avoid accelerating s the engine is starting. Let up on the break a little and the engine starts just before a green light.
I've always wondered. When it comes to electrical components such as sensors.. aren't they pre-programed to "fail"? I mean if the starter is supposedly designed differently to withstand the additional load, I don't see the need to have the car become unresponsive in a dangerous situation such as at a busy intersection during rush hr. You'd just feel and hear wierd noises or your car just won't run on a random Wednesday morning in your driveway. I have a feeling this is just car companies walking through loopholes to comply with some emissions laws while letting the customer deal with the trouble of changing a starter prematurely thanks to some delicate sensors.
My understanding is that when you hit this limit it doesn't disable starting the car, it disables the auto start-stop functionality. The starter will still work until it dies. The reason they set the limit to begin with is to reduce the chance that the starter will fail and leave you stuck in the middle of an intersection.
So many people complaining about this hard limit on the number of starts on the starter. 384,000 starts means you're good for 105 starts PER DAY if you keep the car for 10 years. Keep the car for 20 years and you're good for 52 starts per day. I don't understand the problem here? I sincerely doubt there's a starter made that would still be working after 384,000 activations and the hard limit counter will be reset when the starter is replaced, so almost nobody will ever actually reach that hard limit. Even if the starter was still functional at the 383,999th start, you'll be at least 20 years down the road and replacing a starter at that point is kinda expected. Yes, the car industry is more and more designing "features" to rip off the consumer, but that isn't the case here.
USEFUL FREE WORKAROUND TO THIS. A lot of "stop/start" cars have a voltage sensor on the negative battery cable (VW's tend to have it right on the battery terminal clamp). The idea is that if the system knows that the battery is getting so flat that it can't guarantee it'll be able to restart the engine, it disables the feature. If you find this sensor and disconnect it, the system recognised this 0v is outside the acceptable battery voltage range (Obviously), and turns the feature off. Some cars throw up an error, but most just show the same dashboard light you see if you turn the system off with the button, and I've yet to see a car where the light doesn't go back off when you reconnect the sensor.
Also can defeat the system another way besides this way and pushing the button, is to put the car into neutral just before you completely stop then put it back into drive after you've completely stopped or after you've completely stopped let of the brake pedal slightly ( just enough to hold your car still) the last one is a finer touch but does work
Possibility of reduced battery life, over charging or under charging, by messing with the battery sensor. My 2019 Equinox is bypassed with a resistor in line with the hood latch harness. No dash lights. Nice thing is I don't have a button to turn it off which is good. No wasted button on the dash. Mine also used to disable it for various factors. Outside temperature below a certain level, having the defrost on, as mentioned condition of battery and load level. There might be some other conditions. I don't recall for sure.
03 econoline, 697k, never thought about it, but unless the starter was replaced in the first 30k (it was originally an enterprise rental) its still the original starter. Edit: I know she's talking about Toyota, and a different type of starter, but I'm in agreement with a lot of other comments on this vid that we're just making things unnecessarily complicated.
On Jeeps I believe they have a flywheel that spins when the vehicle turns off and the momentum from which is used to restart everything when you give it gas again
It's only a matter of time until the US Government requires new cars no longer allow turning off the start/stop feature. Yes the switch to turn it off will not be included.
The wear and tear is on your battery not the starter. You can also purchase a piggyback module to delete the feature. With that most people keep cars well before things will go out.
The amount of starters ive replaced because of start/stop amperage codes has kept my bills well paid. Yes, they do have a limit but due to defects, the cars have amp clamps to see if the starter starts to draw too much amperage, indicating potiental failure And Even though it will continue to work if amperage is slightly high, the code will fail any vehicle trying to pass yearly emissions and inspections
