#Kpop #SNSD #Autotune In response to my last SNSD vocal video i thought it was time to dissect what live singing is verses, attune and what it sounds like, how to hear it and find it.
I can't help but cringe when i see "omg did they have CDs for breakfast" or "omg he can sing so good" when their idols sound 100% like the studio version while doing backflips on stage
YESSS OH MY GOD and especially when they immediately call it hate when someone points out that the idols aren't singing live, I feel like some people have completely forgotten what real live vocals sound like when someone is dancing and singing at the same time :D
@@artemisrayne I actually think she has improved honestly, ofc Jessica is still more stable than because she is one of the main vocalist and Tiffany is one of the lead vocalist. I personally like Tiffany's voice and music than Jessica. At the end of the day ppl have personal choices and we have to respect their opinions.
the thing is kpop fans always try to act like "vocal expert" when they have 0 knowledges about vocals. you can see how hypocrite they are when they try to drag other vocalists down just to make their bias appears as better vocalist than the ones theyve been dragging down. its so sad to see idols get hates for something that are not even true. for example the hates tiffany got are just ridiculously dumb. this happens to every group, mostly to vocal-based groups
yes! it’s so annoying when kpop fans with 0 musical knowledge try and make stuff like “high note compilations” when they don’t even know what a high note is... or base vocal rankings off of how high someone can sing
Oooh girl its same when a dance company or professional dancer like 1M for example cover their idols song dammmn they demanding the idol dance harder than the pro dancer they say it as if sing while dancing not hard lol u know what they say "my idols can do it better sing live n dancing " "they re from big agencies they train to do this" bruh smh make wanna choke some kids
Pashmimi EXACTLY! Kpop fans really think that their faves singing loud or holding a note for an extended period of time is a “high note.” No, that’s called belting, stamina and/or using correct & healthy vocal technique.
Tiffany was so amazing during her solo, it reminds me how much hate she got during IJWD for having a few pre-recorded stages the 1st week like *Every Other Idol* . Some idols don't even sing live the 2nd week, but Tiffany did, what fools at that time, Tiffany has been one of the most authentic and real with us this whole time...
Like I don't get it, TWICE, Blackpink, April, Red Velvet, seriously so many of them lip sing even after the 1st week and it's fine no one cares but Tiffany does like 3 pre- recorded stages and haters be like "OMG SHE SO FAKE LOOOOOKKKK AT THAT ONE TIME!"
@@artemisrayne No one is bringing them down, the point is than everyone does it even if they have a good voice. A lot of groups not just red velvet were also mentioned so why are you so triggered? I love RV too and it wasn't even offensive, it's just the facts. Everyone knows SM got the best vocals, but RV, EXO, Suju and FX lip sing just as much as everyone else but stupid fans pretend like they don't or get their panties in a bunch like you.
I’ll never get why they hated Tiffany’s voice. It’s ok to criticize her but take account that she never was focused to use her voice properly as they were 9 in the group and had to sing the same pitch. Now that she’s thriving, cat got your tongue maybe?
Tiffany may have the best voice of Girls Gen. It is very close. Tiffany"s voice has improved a great deal lately since her solo career. She has definitely been taking voice lessons. She has come from very good and arrived at great. Her dancing has gotten better too. I also agree with the commentator about Sooyoung. She used to be more about stage presence and dance, now her singing is very nice. I so wish that the Girls would get back together for one more come back tour. They have all improved so very much, I can't imagine what great music and dance they could do together now. At least bring TTS back together! .
I think ppl hated Tiffany’s voice because they were not used to western singing style where singers do a lot of changes, riffs and runs. And to be honest, I don’t enjoy Kpop singing that much cause they always sing exactly the same as the record. Western singing is way more creative and flexible which is great for Miss Tiff
It's hard to tell nowadays how many singer sing using auto tune. Unless u pick it apart using a software. There isn't actual way to say they are and they are not. That being said out of all of them I still feel that Hyoyeon have the unique and distinct voice. She might not be the best singer but her voice by itself is unique.
I hold the faith that it's a personal choice because she's literally under her own uncle's company, it couldn't be that the labels holds her back, maybe she will release when she's comfortable, I cannot wait for that day.
It seems like she is content being an SNSD member, considering she's one of the three members that can sing live without backing track or autotune help.
Why can't ppl admit kpop idols lip-sync all the time? It's the norm of the kpop industry. Also, it's so clear to tell whether someone is lip-syncing or not, from their facial expressions to their breathing. I love EXO and BTS - both have crazy strong vocal abilities. But they auto-tune and lip-sync during live performances sometimes, yet i can't complain because dancing affects their singing with heavy breathing
Keith Howard I fully agree on that, and it’s evolved to this point for sure. I wish the performances nowadays have more honesty like the first and second generation of Kpop, when they sang live in handheld mics. But unfortunately it has become the norm to lip sync.
As for EXO, sometimes when I watch their concert dvds I see that there are songs where the back track is louder but they are still singing over the song, but 70% of the concert they have true live perfomances.
@@samanthali1650 I think i watched a video that kind of explains that. 1st and 2nd gen were more free to sing live and make mistakes because i guess it was the starting point of kpop but nowadays kpop is more about perfection because that's what the company wants and what the fans expect. I feel like kpop fans are so judgemental (if that's the right word to use) when it comes to idols and the way they perform. Sure kpop idols could sing live but if they made 1 mistake then knets are quick to point it out so they lip sync to avoid that but that doesn't stop the problem because then they'll say that they don't sing live and are deceiving their fans. In the end it's never a win win scenario.
At this point i've already given up explaining to people who think when they hear "breathing" etc. it means its live, like NO it's all pre-recorded in the studio and they just play it over in the background and they have the breathing sounds to make it LOOK like its live when its not. Also 1 thing to look out for on music shows is whether someone is using a hand mic, chances are if they are, it's more LIKELY they are singing live + a backtrack supporting most of the time (but still not 100% all the time especially for recorded videos because they edit the vocals to make it sound nicer and polished)
I have been listening to kpop for years. And after my years of observation I can conclude that even handmics are not a sign of the idols singing live because I have seen quite a few idols actually a lot who lip sync even while using handmics.
Anyway. They record a "live" backing track. They often don't use the studio version for backing, but one with slightly less effects, some extra breathing and maybe with questionable tone for it to sound more real.
There are clear cut examples where groups perform live. It really depends on the group. Lovelyz: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bxjHZlZz4bo.html
I mean Jessica's Let it go cover had adlibs and background vocals. People that actually thought that that was live singing have to be real had core fans.
The fact that people actually attacked and hated Tiffany for her vocals was crazy too me. I'd like to see any of them try to even hit the same notes she does in her songs. Everyone has different singing techniques, therefore it shouldn't be compared like they did with Tiffany, pining her against her own members.
Actually, Tiffany has gotten much better lately. Going solo allowed her time to take voice coaching. She hits those high notes she used to find difficult very strong and smoothly now. I think her dancing has gotten more graceful also
im kinda sad that music shows nowadays make the back up vocals so loud that it overpowers the idols' real voice. btw I, too, also thought Yuri was the strongest vocalist in the dance line, but I later found out that Sooyoung could be a lead vocalist. anyway, I love all of the girls.
that is why snsd IS and WOULD FOREVER BE the nation's gg like you could break them all apart one by one but they would still shine bc all of them have both the TALENT and VISUALS to suceed in the industry
@@hessaa1712 well im not saying they just shouldnt have backup vocals, im just saying that i wish the backup vocals' volume was lower so that we could hear the idol's real voice too
"Dancing and singing at the same time is near impossible" YES and this is why i don't think it's an insult for idols to be lipsyncing tbh. Most of the time the 100% live audio for performances where artists actually dance sucks and it's just how it is. I actually prefer a dub over with the backtracks or like a 50/50 so i can see sharp clean moves.
Insult is a strong word, but other artists have proven that it can be done. Every performance before the development of the software for autotune and backing tracks are raw and live vocals, while sometimes doing insane choreo.
But thats what bothers me a little about kpop, i mean if they cant sing doing very hard dances then why dont they dance something easier that lets them sing well or dont dance at all? I mean they are singers, even when there are good dances in kpop they will never be at the same level of professional dancers who only dance and dont have to worry about things like pretending to sing or that they need people in the internet covering their dance and those things so... If the dances are not that difficult and they are not singing at all or doing it but with a lot of autotune then whats the difference between a live and simply watching the dance version? At least the dance version have good camera angles
@@XXXKaruXXX Mostly because in KPOP the shining point are the performances, something that looks good and can catch your eye. It's not about the voices or the dance, but more about how "cool" it looks.
Yeah, it’s like when you’re walking and speaking at the same time at some point you get tired and breathless. So those fans that believe their favs can hold a full concert dancing a singing live is justtt.... I mean they switch singing live and using. Backtracks but they’re humans they can do both all the time. And not in a full concert.
also something that bothers me is when the singer is "releasing" a high ass note and their face and expression are still the same and fans swear its live lmao, it's artificial and if they were actually singing the harder you sing the harder you show it, when singing a difficult note your face obviously will change, you'll see the veins jumping in their throat, lmao in some cases the singer is obviously lip syncing and people claiming to be live is actually so funy
That always bothered me!!! When people say this I just think “Have you ever *tried* singing a high note while keeping a straight face or not having any sort of muscle move?!” It’s pretty much impossible.
Of course the muscles/veins are gonna show but the face change when it’s a hard note is just acting in a lot of cases lmao bcs they know that fans love when they do high ass note so they just fake the expression. If you can easily sing that note your face will not change at all. It’s not necessarily lip sync but of course every singer lip sync at a time lmao
@@Aria-es8qd That can be true in some cases, but I’m also thinking about the mouth. For some high notes you really have to open your mouth (lower the jaw, raise your soft pallet, etc.) to help hit that note. Some idols don’t do that when lip syncing and that really gives it away for me haha. Not blaming the idols for it, of course! They already have to do so much when performing (mainly choreography, finding the camera while performing etc.). I’m sure it’s not easy and I’m not expecting perfection from these elaborate performances because it’s just not going to happen unless some type of manipulation is going on. But it surprises me that some fans can’t see that they’re lip syncing, or at least singing with a backtrack.
@@someothername7886 Yes for the mouth thing I agree it will be hard to sing (high notes or not) with the mouth almost closed haha and btw I personally don’t care about backtracks or even lip sync when they are dancing as you said it can’t always be perfect and they can’t always be live (health, to take care of their voices...) and people need to realise it, they are humans
Tiffany's a legend that you all don't see. It really isn't easy singing and dancing live as a soloist. However she totally slayed IJWD, people who hated her are dumb bye
Tiffany has really committed to becoming the best singer she can be. I adore her solos because she has so much power and excitement it her voice. She's my second bias and my favorite voice in SNSD
I hope everyone finds this informative and learned something new. And for the people who knew it all along you're not alone lol. I personally like Auto tune in songs, I think it has cool effect, but when it comes to the live stages fans are delusional and so used to being tricked by these shows they can't even hear it anymore 0.0
Yeah, but people like to use the use of lip singing, auto tune or any method to say they can't sing in live. If it was that easy, the world would be full of singers.
Good for your superrrr contribution !! (sarcasm) As if the supposed difference were a lot hahaha I hope you feel better about it. Did you change something with that? Your video is a perfect waste of time! it is shit !!
I know hyoyeon has weak vocals but I still love her. See how that works?? Idk I feel like there's this weird mentality that your faves have to be the best at everything in order to justify you liking them?
YES idk when this started but it needs to stop not everyone is gonna be superman because they simply CANT if someone is literally saying that they’re making a false predictions in their head they’re gonna start believing.
I think the problem is not liking her (or any idol) in spite of their flaws or weak parts, the problem is saying something is live when is not. I mean, I like some songs of some groups that will never give me a LIVE version of their songs bc they ALWAYS use pre-recorded versions or auto-tune. Yet, I like them.
If I'm honest, with Hyoyeon it's because she has historically gotten a lot of hate for being a "useless" member as a result of having a weaker singing voice, SM did not help this by giving her the least amount of lines in most songs. This has caused a lot of Hyoyeon stans to compile as many "live" performances as they can to show that she can sing, the clip of her sing at a radio show the girls were invited to is the most popular one since it's very unlikely someone is smoothing or auto tuning there, in order to justify why she's a valid member of the group. (There is also the fact that she isn't as strong of a visual as the others and the SM stylists didn't help much there either and despite what some kpop fans want to claim, they care a ton about visuals.) Also part of the problem is that most of SNSD songs aren't in her register. She's kind of like a weaker version of Tiffany who also sings best in a lower register, but most of SNSD songs are sung in a higher register which doesn't suit her voice at all. She also can't sing "cute" which.... again, is so many SNSD songs. It's why there is a decent amount of speculation around Hyoyeon as to how different her career may have been if she had ended up at another company (mainly YG).
@@avantikashaha7959 tho i havent check live vocal performance for her Dessert, i am pleasantly surprised by her debut. The vocal range really really suits her image and voice colour as well.
Honestly it's about time we fans start being honest with each other. I'm so sick of people praising pre-recorded stages for their vocals. Like praise them on their dance or charisma or outfits ANYTHING but those fake ass vocals. You're example of Tiffany singing "Dangerous Woman" live vs the other is a prime example of how toxic biased fans are.
The fact that SNSD still remains as one of the most vocally powerful groups in kpop up to this day Seohyun, Tiffany, Sunny and maybe Sooyoung, can be main vocals in younger girl groups. Especially Seohyun and Tiff.
@@ninapark4342 for sunny is true , she better than all member in Twice, Blackpink , Itzy, Izone and etc. She better than Jihyo, Rose, Lia or Yuri and she same level with Tiffany. But for Sooyoung i think she not main vocal level, just lead vocal material
@@GG4EVA623 they're full grown adults and they've dealt with a lot of shit and gone through a lot of hardships in their life (things that a fan will never know about) so you don't need to 'protect' them. You're not their parents. They're strong and they know what they can and can't do. Yes, defend them when you need to, but don't go overboard
It's sad how people think that idols have to be able to sing 100% live even when they are dancing a lot or even if they are dancers/rappers. As if being a good dancer or a good rapper isn't enough to make you a good performer. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, that's why k-pop groups are teams.
Thanks for mentioning Sunny and giving her some more credit. Overall I agree with your thoughts on her and Sunny. Sooyoung is really working on herself and it's gone unnoticed sadly, but Sunny was such a misused talent by SM. Either they wasted her or she just fell in love with variety and radio more.
Perhaps they underutilized Sunny, but after all, she has been in one of the most impressive Girl bands to come from Korea and is very famous, much loved and wealthy and still in her early thirties. Don't feel too sorry for her! LOL 555
@chobopanda , yes Sooyoungs Solo was great. I know she is busy acting, but I would wish her to sing more. Is there some reason the girls can't get together once in a while and put out music. It doesn't have to be a full comeback. 👍
@@farisafiq1241 Every singer had their best or worst vocal moments, even the best singer had it, even Jessica isn't singing live, but we know her capability as a vocalist are above the other girl, from her placement, vibrato, and range, so thats why shes still one of the best besides Taeyeon. Arguably she's still good even she play safe with her vocal
I was lucky enough to attend both Taeyeon and Tiffany's solo concert. Taeyeon was indeed a great vocalist, no dispute at all. But Tiffany's performance and stage presence is really something else, she's an absolute performer.
"I don't know why it even makes people upset" Dude, truth hurts. Remember that hahaha Some people are so biased that they don't allowed a single flaw and judgement down for their idol. No offense, I love SNSD member but as a rational and non-bias human being, I'm still realizing which one is the real deal and which one is... meh... But still they're a legend and will always be that way~
It's so annoying to see fans comment something about how their idols mic was on and how good they sound live while they are lipsyncing to prerecorded vocals but when you tell them it isn't live and how you can hear that it isn't you get called a hater and often get cursed at. Also recently almost every idol sings over a very loud backtrack if they are even singing live so even for me it's hard to tell sometimes whether it's live or not which also doesn't help for anyone.
i agree! recently i feel like i'm pretty good in telling whether something is lipsyncef, prerecorded, or sang live over the backtrack. but some fans really can't comprehend and lash you out, sadly. i really appreciate ateez' main vocal recently because he's singing live so clearly in all performances, while some other members focus more on performance and aren't as stable
People are confused with the term "auto-tune". They think it's only used in recordings and cannot be used live. Most of their favourites singers uses it when "singing live" in concert and music shows because their dumb fans want the exact same song as the recorded one or they just aren't good enough singers to sing live.
Auto tune doesn’t determine if someone is singing live are not. Everyone On good girl was auto tuned. For some it was just noticeable and some you couldn’t tell. For the people you could tell the auto tune was on is because the MACHINE was literally working to keep their voice on pitch/on key. Auto tune IS A MACHINE to make sure the feedback FROM THE MIC is on pitch/key with the audio/instrumental playback. I’m tired of people not understanding that auto tune is a MACHINE it is NOT a vocal effect, it does NOT affect the quality of someone’s voice, it does NOT determine if someone is singing live or not. It just makes sure the mic feedback matches the instrumental backtrack and stays on key or pitch.
@@yukiizumi3628 Especially in their line of work where they either have to perform choreographies or have to project certain visual cues and perform with their gestures. I believe that no singer is that flawless, only artists who are passionately remaking their craft the moment they are able to.
I think the correct term would be pre-recorded. That’s what they would do for songs with dancing. It’s not just in K-Pop but also in NA music. A great example would be Beyoncé but only when she’s dancing.
I think something that people need to realise is that Yuri could've been a lead vocalist, but the company pushed her towards more towards the dancing speciality. Many Sones who started young the early ages will know that yuri was showing potential to become a better vocalist, until that is sm (possibly) shifted her roles due to the fact that not all members realistically will get a fair line distribution. Personally I would say due to sm not pushing her singing abilities further, it made her focus more on the performances instead.
it was wrong for sm not to push her more vocally. debut era yuri had such a strong and full voice and with proper training she could have been a lead vocal
Some kpop stans wants raw live perfomances, but when they have one;if the idols make a mistake, they start saying that he/she is an untalented vocalist. And I always like "what the heck do you fucking want?".
This is why I subscribed to you my dude. As a 9 years long K-pop fan I've had my fair share of naive angry fans whenever I've commented my honest opinion and observations. It's been really lonely for me because I've never been able to have a proper conversation with other K-pop fans that didn't result in them getting upset. I don't understand why people get upset over anything that isn't pure praise. I remember my blood boiling at the "Tiffany ruined Jessica's lines" videos, comments and like to dislike ratio. Even more so when NO ONE had actual constructive criticism, just shit talk to Tiffany. Your take on the Tiffany covering Jessica was exactly what I tried to tell people, but no point in trying to convince someone who already made up their mind.
@@ilovemusic4854 dude, they are performing AND working. If they don't do their job we are on our full right to critizes. Idols aren't getting paid just to breath and be cute. They are performers.
@@xSummeraain and the original comment isnt even about that, is about opposite, not criticizing if you dont have a good point to make a constructive criticism, idk what the comment under the comment was talking about lksksls
Yaa thats true. They even called me an anti after i commented on their favs performances. Like srsly. This is why i stop associating with kpop fans. They annoy me so much. 😀 i only said. 'they lipsyncing, thats why their vocals and stuff sounds smooth asf.' in a veryyy politeee tone. But yet i got scolded. 'Shut up youre just jealous.' like fck off at least im not deaf af.
This applies to most of kpop idols, idk why they keep saying they are live when they clearly are not. Is impossible to dance as hard as they do and sing clearly, if you want good live singing go to broadway and even there you'll find out how a raw voice sounds like singing and performing, live singing is not about hitting every note but being smart enough to know how to place a note, when to stop, when to hold and when to let go, when to brag, when to shout "everybody" so you get help from the audience. There's nothing wrong in auto tune because in studio versions is used all the time to have a quality sound (even instruments are auto tuned) so just keep cheering on your favorite kpop group but don't be fooled or blind.
As a singer who is also a fan of Kpop, half of the idols in the industry are not even vocals. Yes, they can sing but most of them don't have good breathing technique or can't even sing properly while dancing the easiest parts of their choreography. SM has some of the BEST vocals ever in Kpop but always remember, even JY Park admitted that when he's looking for an idol he looks for the charisma and star quality rather than talent. With SM, most of them are beautiful because they are scouted and trained. SM has always been known for their best visuals in Kpop. What I see most of the time in large Kpop groups is that they will add a few members that are super talented in either singing and dancing and then add a few more that are so-so but either very pretty or very charming. Of course, there are idols that are both visuals and very talented but not all of the time. Notice how the ones who are not the best in the group at singing or dancing are given the role of rappers in non-Hiphop groups? ... when the songs don't even need a rap? One thing I also noticed is that Kpop companies always have the "Pearl Necklace" lineup where they pick the most talented and charming ones as the "big pearls in front and center" and give them the most lines and them make use of the others as background members or the "smaller pearls." Fans don't realize that because they think members in one group are all equally talented. Take for example Sistar: Hyolyn is just like HyunA, CL, Taeyeon, Taeyong, Mark where she's the big pearl and given the most lines because she has the most potential to be successful as a soloist. The other ones like Dasom and Bora don't equal Hyolyn in terms of singing that's why they're given the least lines. Winwin is also an example of the "overshadowed by other members' talents" who gets the least lines in NCT as the small pearl. I love Winwin but I bet none of you can even tell me that's he's as good as Doyoung in terms of singing or as good as Taeyong in terms of street/hiphop dancing (and NCT doesn't do traditional Chinese dance so...). I know many of you will be offended by this comment but I'm just stating my opinion from what I see all the time. You can love all members equally in one group but you're biased or blind if you think they are always equally talented.
Tbh WinWin doesn't even belong in NCT127 anymore, I don't say that in bad way, it's just obvious he won't be returning to the subunit, so I think it's a little bit more fair to compare him to members in WayV. However, in terms of dancing he is seriously talented in contemporary dance, that's his strong point, even if WayV doesn't really do that, SM has never really given him the opportunity to shine at all. He has been given a little bit more lines and center time, he is one of WayV's strongest dancers, including Lucas and Ten. I don't really know about his singing or rapping tho, because we've never gotten the opportunity to listen to him live and the agency never focuses on him or how to make him stand out, he's overshadowed by other members, yes mostly because of his singing abilities, but also because of how they chose to introduce him to the kpop market. SM does this constantly with their NCT members, for example in 127 there's Johnny and Yuta, Johnny obviously has great dancing, singing and rapping abilities, he trained for almost a decade and he was supposed to debut in EXO after all, yet he almost never gets lines and barely has any center time. Yuta has a very nice voice that has been shown a bit in his lives and monster dancing abilities, but again, he has close to 0 lines and SM seems to think that giving him a few seconds of center time is enough.
@@mckenziec4371 They are not my ult bias group but I can say they have the best lineup in Kpop. They overshadow other main vocalists from other groups.
@@fersaid1582 I agree. I also think they can showcase the other members' talents through more solo or unit dance/song covers just like what Label V is doing with WayV. Winwin caught a lot of attention through Ten's and his cover of 'lovely' because that is his forte. People are also starting to recognize Yangyang's songwriting/rapping skills. If SM can't give them centers or lines to the other members in comebacks, they should at least give them an opportunity to show their other talents through RU-vid or other platforms.
Ive always thought of this too. Agreed! And then the fans complain why their faves dont have enough lines when the more talented member is singing their off but the camera still shows the prettiest member. Some have Lines some with more screen time. Its unfair tbh
THANK YOU! One of my pet peeves is reading RU-vid comments praising vocals of a lip-synced performance like wtf do you have ears? I love GG to death but let's face it, they do lip-sync a lot but that doesn't have to always be a bad thing.
Tiffany has ALWAYS been able to sing. idk why SONES decided to shit on her when Jessica left for covering her parts and being in TTS. sure, yeah there were a few voice cracks, but SM was overworking SNSD and Tiffany’s human. at least that’s how we know she sang live. i don’t mind mistakes. as long as the idol puts their heart into what they do, i don’t see an issue. she’s a human just like everyone else.
I think the reason kpop fans don't notice autotune and think the stages r live because they r so used to hearing autotune like all the time and its got to the point where its barely noticeable.
The reason why I couldn't enjoy really well Good Girl is because of all the autotune, out of being a fan of Hyoyeon I was really mad when they tried to autotune EVERY member in the program
Finally someone said that Sooyoung is one of the members who improved the most...I once went to her fanmeet and fans taunt her to sing sailing and she sang it without any backtrack or instruments at first since those just entered at somehow the middle of the song since it's just a sudden request from fans, so I could clearly hear her raw vocals and she sounds so soft and sweet and if I were to ask, she and sunny somehow had similarities in their vocal colors.
I wish I could show this video to every kpop fan who talks about live singing. it feels like people are still under the impression that autotune sounds like an obvious robot voice, when it’s a lot more subtle but you can still hear it if you look for it... and your point about the covers!! thank you!!!!! why isn’t it obvious, the mic is literally right in front of their faces, of course they’ve edited it before they release it.... isn’t that the point?? that always confused me so much, like it doesn’t prove anything... and is it bad that I really don’t care if idols lip sync when they perform with choreography? they’re dancing, of course their vocals won’t sound as stable as the studio version! do you think they dance while recording the vocals for their album??
it's sad to see sunny apparently not focusing on singing nowadays, considering she probably has as much potential as the rest of the vocal line. she had some really good vocal moments when she was in that musical many years ago
Thank you for this video. I’m glad the responses to it are so positive. I swear you can’t go to any K-Pop live that’s CLEARLY prerecorded or autotuned without people doing nothing but praising them for being flawless vocalists. And this “stable” shit: no one actually educated in vocal technique uses that fucking word.
3:08 Nowadays doing some constructive criticism or just saying the truth is equal to hate speech 😒 this applies for everything in the kpop fandom y'all blind and deaf
I do find it frusturating when everyone says "Look this person is the best vocalist in kpop" or "this person could be a main vocal in another group" bc in some ways all idols are underrated for their vocals and also overrated. We overrate any filtered "live" performance we hear bc we assume other idols we dont know much about are generally worse. When really everyone is a pretty good singer, a huge amount fall into the same general category of good and no one always sounds perfect. I wish we got to hear real live vocals more to train us away from expecting idols to be perfect
This video should be retitled: "12 and a half minutes of me explaining why auto-tune is damaging the culture of singing" In all srsness, yeah, auto-tune is the 2nd most notorious villain in KPop
Personally I don't think autotune is inherently bad, I think the fact that the fans (and consequently, the companies) expect idols to be perfect and push them into a little box under the excuse of protecting them is worse. Like, maybe if idols weren't pressured to be singing and dancing robots with absolutely no imperfections then their agencies wouldn't tell them to lip sync/have their vocals autotuned
Nice to see some sones do show Tiffany some love. One of the reasons I could never fully feel apart of the fandom was because Tiffany is my ultimate bias and sones we're almost worse than antis in how they treated her like she was untalented and couldn't sing.
I KNEW IT. Seeing all that live singing and people commenting “they eat cds they look exactly like the recording” made me think if they were deaf or what
A few 'LIVE' performances I've heard have such obvious vocal smoothers(?) They occasionally sound so robotic. And many of the fans act like its an accurate portrayal of their live vocals without autotune.
As a sone I really appreciate your work, but honestly it's so hard to differentiate the auto tuned live and not even your explanation is good but i still cant find it except Music Show i can barely recognize it, this is not a hate comment because I am a sone and I PURELY AGREE your decision to make this video please educate us more
We can't deny the fact that not all members of an idol group are good vocals aside from their main and lead vocal. For SNSD, I think Taeyeon, Seohyun and Tiffany sounds best in live.
I saw Tiffany live (her magnetic moon tour) and her voice is amazing! Obviously it’s not going to be perfect/not going to sound just like the studio versions but she’s still a GREAT vocalist and also AN AMAZING performer.
I agree that autotune isn't necessarily a bad thing and is often needed (but also often overdone when the singer doesn't even need it) in Kpop performances. Meanwhile, this fact that "many people can no longer tell the difference between live singing and edited vocals" is just SAD. It's like loving flowers, but can no longer tell the difference between a real (albeit a little bit flawed) beautiful flower and an artificial one that's flawless and "perfect"...but ultimately unreal and unnatural.
thank u for this video! i've learned how to recognize when an idol uses pre-recorded tracks or autotune cause of them so i appreciate u and ur vids sm ❤️❤️
I always thought Tiff had the 2nd best voice in SNSD. I mean all the other vocalists have great voices too, it's just Tae and Tiff are really really good live. Especially if they're just about the singing. Glad someone pointed that out. 😊💜
Even though Yuri's voice isn't as powerful as taeyeon and tiffany, I still thinks its fairly pleasant to listen too. She has a very sweet sound compared to the other girls.
Omg thank you for doing god's work. As someone who sings both live and in a home studio, some Kpop fans make me cringe whenever I see comments like "omgeee he's so stable what an ace, we stan!!" or "omo they sound even better live, such vocal queens!"... Not to mention the pitch correction on studio recordings. A lot of people don't know what a non pitch-corrected voice sounds like because auto-tune is literally everywhere and more or less obvious.
super important and interesting videos (both - about snsd vocals and this one). 100% agree with everything you said, appreciate your work and sincerity
Dancing and singing is really hard. I recently saw red velvet singing umpah2x live. They don't rely on backing tracks and sing about 90% live but their choreo needs to chill. Every syllable sang is a total of 1 or 2 dance moves. That's why when it's Joy's time to sing half way the song she couldn't hold her high note. It's great they can do it bec they are young but give it 5 years from now and they can't perform it the same level
@@juansuarez0126 to me, out of all gg, Mamamoo's performance is balance regarding singing n dancing. Not too hard choreo to concentrate on live singing
@@ojioguitarsstuff1577 Mamamoo's is too easy though. If other girl groups especially groups with amazing main dancers did their choreos people would come for their necks. People already come at Blackpink for not having choreographies as hard as their pre debut version.
Finally someone talked about it - thank you so much. Also it makes me crazy to hear the studio track being sO LOUD and WITH the voices for live stages where the mics are on like come on, we almost cannot hear their live voices with that, what's the effin point of doing it
As a kpopers multi stan since 2018, I agree. I can accept idols lip sync since they are humans and have lungs too. Like Rosè, when she sing live her voice is sometimes "not stable" bc of high note and low note. But even if she did lip sync I accept it, bc she have a similiar voice to mine. Where sometimes I struggle from high-low note. Because idols are not robot or machine that can be perfect 100%. Same with us, it is a big struggle to dance while singing. So please, if you cant accept it...truth hurts ok? Accept it idols sometimes lip sync
I've seen similar things in RV with the lineup and how different members are given backtrack-- i love my joy but sometimes she gets wayyy to much backtrack during her parts in concerts or stages while seulgi and Wendy utilize it way less. I definitely don't think it's her fault, and sometimes it adds to the performance but i will admit it's much more satisfying to hear them as live as possible :/
this is intresting. in every mr removed video that i watch, there must be a fan who overreact where the idol is lipsync. it's hard to handle your voice when you need to take breath for your move. and because of this video, now i know that they can use auto tune in live performance
6:44 I think you are 100% right and I think it is even harder for some of us who do not study music or might have difficulties hearing tones to understand when it's live or lip synching
Wow I always confused with Sica's voice really. She sang so good in live. But somehow she oftentimes use autotunes or playbacks in GG performance. By this video we know that they're human afterall, except maybe super special vocalist like Taeyeon most idol wouldn't be perfect singing live.
I like Jessica's voice, she has a nice kind of Britney Spears voice. She sounds good in studio version, but live not so much. She trained her voice to be a good singer (and she is), while Taeyeon trained to push her original great voice to the next level.
You are the most normal n logical people in kpop industry :"))) mostly of them are brainwashed n biased like wtf. if u don't like the song didn't mean u hate the singer too. like if u are fans of someone didn't mean u HAVE TO LOVE ALL THEIR SONG. THEY ARE HUMAN N THEY HAVE FLAWS TOO. JUST ACCEPT IT. WHAT'S WRONG ABOUT IT PEOPLES. 😒😑 thx for making this.
Yeah, 90% of the covers on RU-vid (where they filmed singing with a mic) is fake. The audio is made with perfection in the studio and attached with the filming, that's it. We can't even tell if the audio came from same person or not.
Omg thank YOU for that video so much tbh I hate when people criticize vocals or praise them without any knowledge about music and how it works. Your video is really refreshing, you clearly did a lot of research and you was very respectful while giving your explanations, I wish more people would see this video
Just accept that they'll never be perfect!! Real fans should love them anytime, everytime 😋😋😋. The parts that I most love in Taeyeon live stages were the times she commit mistakes.. Its really cute and sincere. Her Blue performance uploaded by SM is a great example, her voice is almost failing because of exhaustion but I still love it 😍😍😍. Next is her Love You like Crazy in 'S concert, Im pretty sure that is 100% lip sync, but that doesnt prevent my soul leave my body when I watched that performace. 😂😂😂
Everytime i see a comment in every comeback stage or performace they'll say "Eating CDs" and such but clearly it's just lipsync or autotuned. its kinda annoying.
@@ila_serah Not all idols lipsync tho. You are all bringing them down. What about Mamamoo? I mean, yeah they have back up music just in case they get out if breath (idols in general), but it's not like they 100% lipsync or use autotune microphone. You're all just talking like the "real experts" when don't even know that autotune professionally is mostly used for cool effects or small details.
Yes yes yes!!!!! I have waited for a video like this. Have only seen 20 seconds, but i know exactly what you mean and i already like the video! xD Now continuing to watch.
Totally agree. For everyone who has 13 years journey as a SONE, after years listening to all of SNSD performance (and their fancam- concert stage) , we could actually notice the difference between their vocal when full-live, 50/50 live, pre-recorded, auto-tuned. And yes, we could also notice whether they exhausted/really happy/bad mood, just by seeing them performing a stage in 3 minutes (like music bank, music core, etc). Plus, we should understand that everyone have their own perspective when discussing about vocal ranking. Nice video! ❤️
