In fairness, the reporter and military guy who hit condit look like they CAN fight, relative to most people. Id bet on either of them vs an average joe in a heartbeat. They just arent nearly as good as thet think they are
Delusion is a powerful thing. I remember when I had been training for years I would still have friends, who were out of shape and unathletic, say they could beat me. It's crazy how fighting is the thing people believe they can do with no experience at all. You try to explain to them that you could take them down and choke them out and there's nothing they could do about it, but they just refuse to believe it.
Fighting and sex. People have to believe they are good enough to not be utterly destroyed, or they give up on life. The big problem? Even pro's do it. We all do. Look at how many MMA guys with "decent" standing game think they can beat a good boxer, in boxing, for instance. Or boxers thinking they won't go to the ground with a wrestler, or BJJ players who don't believe a person can just disengage and stand up, taking the fight back to a realm they aren't as comfortable with. Worst of all, almost every unarmed fighter thinks they are going to be able to take a person with a knife or gun, until it actually happens and they suddenly realize they don't know what they are doing at all and end up in the hospital or dead.
@@dalepower632you can survive a gun or knife but only if you have close distance. You need to know how to control someone’s hand which is difficult but self defense classes can teach you how to and some martial arts train for those desperate situations because a good amount of the time you can’t just run, if your wife is with you, if your kids are with you, if they can outrun you, if you already tried running and tired yourself out, when the exists are blocked, etc. You have to realize that the tool they are using can hurt or kill you without any skill or really any experience.
@@dalepower632 Tbf, it's much much harder to stand up and disengage vs a bjj guy than taking a boxer to the ground. If you want to disengage and get up from the ground vs a grappler, you need grappling experience as well.
Here where I live there was a practice to stay very light on your feet, being straight in the air half of the time "to prevent knockouts", it was right in some instructions. It was like 50 years ago. There wasn't any talk of CTE, though. Maybe some people just suspected that damage can accumulate.
@@Annokhthey were aware of CTE, though they didn't call it that, and they didn't understand how it happened. They called it being "punch drunk" and it was pretty notorious among older boxers. They didn't know what caused it, they just knew that sometimes boxers would develop coordination problems, memory problems, slurred speech and be prone to emotional outbursts, not too unlike being drunk. Unfortunately, because they didn't know what it was, they didn't treat it with the seriousness it deserved.
@@marcz2903which is kind of funny when you realize they weren’t completely clueless on a lot of things like we suspect in the past . They just didn’t respect how serious some things were. Like the effects of lead on people. We knew by the 19th century that lead could cause people to act somewhat crazy (hence the MADD Hatter cause he wore a lead lined hat). But we still used it in walls and paint and gasoline. Guess we didn’t think the effects were that strong. Same with “Punch Drunk” clearly people were aware that a person can take too many blows. Why this didn’t lead to more research is beyond me. Hell there was the man in the mid 1800s who got the rail spike through his frontal lobe and survived and doctors noticed his personality completely changed to being more violent and emotional but I guess people just assumed that don’t get impaled through the brain with a rail spike and left it at that. But we had an idea of what effects damage on the brain could have but didn’t put it together.
Yeah My sons wrestle in College and I remember a Blue Belt 34 year old man wanting to go against my 15 year old son. It was strange watching a small kid pick a grown man up and hold him to the ground. Once his friend challenge him with a 90 lb weight difference and it did not last 10 seconds. Our egos make us think we have a chance and to admit some kid could kill you and you can not stop them we can not phantom. Wrestlers, boxers, MMA fighters do this for a living. I mean we wrestled 12 months a year and trained 4 to 6 days a week including tournaments in different states and around the state we lived in. It is like me challenging a MIT math professor on a math test. Like seriously, it is that big of a difference.
Fighting is just one of those things that every dude thinks they can do. How many people think they could take on someone who plays basketball at the Y 7 days a week, even? Most people know that even an ammy basketball player will smoke someone who doesn't play. But fighting? They think they can do it for some reason.
@@gregortheoverlander4122 Things like fighting, shooting, wilderness survival, driving a race car... Lots of guys make the mistake of tying all those skills to "manhood" - so they fool themselves thinking they have expertise in a long list of arbitrary skills to protect their ego.
@@gregortheoverlander4122 💯 Funny you mention that, I am 53 years old, but a beast in basketball, not shooting, nickname is Wisdom. You are correct, I smoke most people on basketball court. The thing is fighters are so ahead of us. My son use to wrestle in College went into his old HS room after not wrestling for months still beat the 190 lb and 215 lb wrestlers at 150 lbs. Was not easy, but still. For me as a father and a power lifter and ex football player my ego gets destroyed by my 165 lb college wrestling son. I grew up in rough environment and been in many street fights. My son raised in good schools, no street fights just manhandles me. I have no chance. Truly the Kung Fu masters it is real, top level wrestlers feel your transfer of weight and they just react. They will throw you, they will duck behind you, they will slide by you and throw you onto the ground and I did jujitsu. One thing is going 2 times a week for jujitsu and a dude that trains every single day. I am proud of my sons, at same time the kid I use to hold down and tickle and throw around I am not sure I I could hang with in a all out fight. Wrestling they would rape me.
@advancedchiropractic667 You should then told your son that that was a blue belt, not a brown or black belt. There is a big difference to a black or brown belt in BJJ or judo and a green or blue belt. Add a solid wrestling and grappling base and they are untouchable. They are the ultimate helper in MMA style fights. There's this one female fighter out of Thailand, and she's Stamp Fairtex, but she was a Muay Thai pro before she went into MMA and she's always had very strong kicks and elbows, but now she's also gotten a few Rear naked chokes on opponents 5 years into being pro in MMA. However, when she first got in, she was very easily taken down by grapplers and wrestlers, now she's not easy at all because she's worked on it with some great grapplers and BJJ grapplers specifically. There was one wrestler who would come into my dojo when I did karate and judo full time and he was good, he picked up on the different throws and footsweeps quickly, BUT he still when losing would revert back to wrestling, and he would often get me in a trip and eventually, I learned what he was doing. After that first day. He came back about a month later, and I got him in a gi choke and he didn't know how to get out of it. The dangers you wrestlers go through when trying to get a takedown is impressive, but also stupid when it comes to going up against a legit high-level black belt.
I boxed for about 12 years, and had a good number of professional fights. Even sparred with Andre Ward (who spent 15 minutes touching me up haha). I would say the biggest difference between technical understanding of fights and actually fighting is the composure. The ability to see what's happening and process it and then stop your brain from "fighting back" and focus on how to hit without being hit. Fighting the flinch is also huge. Aggression and swinging hard gives a lot of street fighter types good records just because there is an "attackers advantage" in any untrained fight. It's harder to react to a punch than it is to throw a punch.
This is so true. Having good composure and a clear head can give anyone a pretty sizeable advantage, even if both are untrained, as just being able to think clearly is more than most people could do in a real fight situation. You see that sort of stuff all the time, too, in people who are new to martial arts, whether striking or grappling, they and their body just kind of freak out when it's their first time sparring or rolling.
When I fight in actual fights outside of sparring I don’t need to think I simply do. My body just goes with my natural instinct which is to flow through the motions of the fight and follow my muscle memory. I don’t think because fighting is already drilled into my head that I simply do and I can let my enhanced reflexes and power from adrenaline to aid my muscle memory. I’ve been in grappling fights that have ended in less than 2 seconds and could have been fatal in 3. The person tried to take my back while I was squatting on the ground, I tucked my chin and grabbed their arm before they could preform a choke of any type and rolled them over my back and slammed them on the ground. Drove forward once they were on the ground and secured a neck crank and locked one of their legs with mine as leverage and to hold them in position. I then bridged up and twisted by body twisting and cranking their neck and went a little too fast which ended up hurting the person pretty bad but they were the aggressor. This entire action happened in a little less than 2 seconds and another second of contact and they would be possibly paralyzed from the neck down permanently. I never had a single thought throughout this entire action. I simply did and completely by neutralizing the enemy.
I was sparring at our Muay Thai gym once and this guy that was in his 50s who was newer was lighting newer people up so I said I got next and let's just say he had a long 3 minute round and no longer hit people hard after that
@@thedog5k yeah absolutely no way this'd fly at our gym, our trainers would be straight on that. All the hard sparring is organised like during session even, not everyone even is at that level anyways
Old people going too hard hits too much home. At judo an older gentleman like 20 kilos more than me was the only person who didn't respect my "my rib was injured until recently" taps. Ended up popping my rib after extending a submission with 20 secs because he didn't feel like it was a good time for me to tap there.
Yeah, fuck that shit mentality. Other people don't get to decide when you had enough; doesn't matter how much older they are and what colour belt they wear - it has no purpose except abuse.
True out of respect I tried not to hit an older guy in the head and avoided low kicks to not damage his shins and I was responded to with a 3 snapping front kicks to my solar plexus and chased after I got winded. :|
@PaMuShin defining medically cleared is very difficult. Because an injury heals like a curve that plateaus. Determining when you're good enough is surprisingly difficult and because generally people who train like to train, the desire to train sometimes mess up your judgment.
The reporter in the clip was very humble about it. He got beat up for the sake of journalism. Reem is a professional at fighting, the reporter is a professional in quality footage. Both artists in their craft.
😂I remember when CM Punk wanted to fight in the UFC I tried explaining to my WWE fan buddy that people who are lifelong martial artists or even maybe have more that five years of training are different. We’re talking faster reflexes, more efficient movements, TECHNIQUE, ETC. He didn’t get it until he saw the results. People don’t know. They think fighting is a natural thing.
I feel like overeem got his ego hurt when the reporter landed a takedown, like you said never do something cool against a pro fighter or they'll do something cool back
It looks like Overeem was wearing punching gloves and couldn't even grab the reporter properly. I reckon he was just being a good sport at first until he realised the reporter was a try-hard, so he went "actually, cop this."
@@Elriuhilu It looks like Overeem was taking advantage of him wearing gloves cause he was punching but the reporter couldn't punch since he didn't have gloves on.
@@bola5671 that's not an advantage. You can still punch when you don't have gloves on, but wearing boxing gloves that restrict your fingers means you cannot grasp. He didn't even punch the guy hard, they were just light taps.
@@Elriuhilu The reason I'm taking the gloves as an advantage is because since it's not a real fight, the guy naturally chooses not to punch. Also knowing if he punches, he's going to be punched just as hard or harder by the professional. I do agree those punches are as light as a punch can get, but similar theory here. Better react or get harder punches.
@@bola5671 I'm not sure what you're getting at. My point was that the reporter started a friendly grappling fight with an opponent who was at the time incapable of grappling, then even though the other guy played along, the reporter went hard because he wanted to look tough, so the professional fighter showed him why he shouldn't do that. I believe Overeem's reaction wasn't ego but a scolding.
I began martial arts in the 1990s at the age of 19 ... One of the first guys I took lessons from had won a 1987 World Games Gold Medal in TKD (back when is was an exploratory sport for the Olympics) ... The thing I remember most vividly was that somehow he would be behind me kicking me (gently) to the head. What the average joe fails to recognize is elite level fighters know how to read you like a book, can move through your blind spots, and hit you at will. The average joe appears to be moving underwater to the professional because the average joe cannot avoid telegraphing what they do. Fast forward to now as I approach my fifth decade ... I haven't done martial arts for over decade. My college age and teenage kids, nephews, nieces, and a bunch of their friends including my future son-in-law broke out my gear and started "sparring" on the front lawn. They convinced me to join them and even after all this time, they appeared to be moving through water and I had to move really slow and under control to avoid hurting them (and allow them to get the occasional point). But even in my prime, the only way I would ever have gone up against an elite fighter would have simply been for a learning experience in a controlled, sparring, environment knowing full-well they would have smoked me in a real-life type environment.
Man, I grew up with a bunch of "tough guys". We fought a lot. Tough neighbourhood etc. I'm 6", 230 and pretty solid. Very strong and mentally resilient. I like to strike. There is no way in hell I would ever consider challenging a real fighter. I am just grateful as fuck I never got my ass handed to me by someone with any real experience. Don't fight if you don't have to. Walk away. You are not as tough as you think. Valentina would cut me down like a dandelion.
Preach. Love the Valentina reference. I hate it when people train a martial art in order to become more "badass" or whatever and completely fail to consider what should be obvious: if you train, you are dangerous. You knock someone out, he planks and hits the back of his head on the pavement, next thing you know you're doing time for involuntary manslaughter, have fun with the rest of your life as a felon. It takes a few seconds of stupidity. I know two people who were involved in cases like that. They also never consider that the more obviously dangerous and trained you are, the higher the risk of getting stabbed or shot because no one in their right mind wants to actually fight you. So, yup. Walk away. Cheers, good luck and take care.
@@Bloodpuke44Yes, a well trained woman will mess you up. You're probably not as strong as you think. I doubt you're even in the top percentile of men.
There are tens of millions, or even hundreds of millions, of “average guys”. If you’re waiting for any number of them to stop challenging pros, then you’re going to be waiting forever.
it is not just in fighting, I think it is human nature to keep challenging the professional. I work as a professional appliance repair tech, the amount of people that challenge me with questions like "you sure you can not wire it this way?" "you sure 240volts can't adapt into 120v?".... some people impose their ignorant point of view into reality, and believe even the professional is a joke.
I think (for me at least) if you only see pro fights, it kinda warps your perspective. because when you put them next to a 'normal' person then you actually see how much bigger better and scarier they actually are.
Low level amateur fights look messy and "real". Both sides are trained to the point where there's no flaining and windmilling but there's less pacing, measurement/probing, etc.
I have a substantial amount of MMA and TMA training, including sparring against active resistance, but I still consider myself an average guy. With that said, any professional fighters within 50 lbs (probably more, actually) of my walking around weight would maul me after only breaking the tiniest of sweats. I do find "those guys" amusing, because they have no idea how delusional the claims they make are, and like small children, sometimes they gotta learn the hard way.
I’ve always wanted to fight a professional fighter (in a controlled environment) just to feel the skill difference. I have no illusions I’d win or even be a challenge for them, but there’s a part of me that still wants to try. Maybe one day…
@dylancooper4993 I have sparred (not fought) professional fighters, including guys several weight classes below me, and the skill disparity was staggering. I was involved in the "competition squad" of the gym (so amateur fighters, mostly), so we'd spar with the pros on occasion, and even though they would take it somewhat easy on us, it usually ended up in one-sided ass kickings. As long as nobody escalated the sparring (going harder than agreed upon at the outset), it was a great learning experience. But if you go hard on a professional, you would end up getting annihilated. But yeah, if you join an MMA gym with professional fighters and work your way up to the point where you can spar safely, you can definitely get some serious experience. Just be smart about it, and you will get some wisdom from it, instead of brain damage and shattered pride, haha.
@@dylancooper4993It was my second mma class and it was a sparring class, so you hopped in, and I had no expectation of being amazing. There was a guy who was fighting next week, and absolutely looked it. I was tossed in as - I’m assuming warm-up/fodder/active resistance. Ever had a stark realization that you’re conscious purely because of the benevolent goodwill of someone else? Yeah… that was good for me. Wasn’t fun, but it was good for me.
@goldenpony822 💯 it's the second strike ability that basic defense gives a trained individual that catches the untrained off guard. "Your power shot didn't put me down, now you're off balance and don't have a plan"
I remember watching ufc the first few times during high school(mid-late 00s) and thought, "i could do that." I was in wrestling at the time, and pretty much just saw wrestling and striking. Didn't know what jujitsu was yet. I knew striking was my weakest area, but after i started training at my first mma gym some yrs later, i learned real quick, by one of the girls, how strong jujitsu was.
True, but I will say, pure wrestling, if it is at a high enough level, is enough to crush some ammy fights or low level pro fights. For Justin Gaethje's first fight, he literally didn't know anything about MMA. He didn't know any BJJ or standup, but he was all american division 1. He took his opponent down, picked him up, and slammed him for his first fight and got a KO.
Jiu-jitsu's amazing, but don't undersell your wrestling. I have no background in it, but at the end of the day it's just the Western answer to the same problems that Japan had when they invented jiu-jitsu (and the Brazilians had when they turned it into BJJ).
The Reporter incident seems like it was done for exhibition reasons, he did a good job, I don't think he thought he would win, sometimes it's just making an attempt which counts. I assume they parted on good terms.
I hope you're getting some good physio help for the shoulder Seth! It's easy to get a rotator cuff tear from a heavy fall like that. I had one from a takedown years ago which took a while to heal, but no surgery. Love your work Seth!
Old man strength is a scary thing. You get those dudes that were raised on some hard times. You ever get a handshake from them? I've got decently large and somewhat strong hands, and I swear I end up with fractures shaking the hands of old men.
Saying you can beat a pro fighter or someone that has trained their whole life is basically the equivalent of saying you are better at math than a mathematician. Maybe 1 in 10,000,000 could be... but I'll take the odds it ain't you.
Reminds me of one TKD class where a guy showed up. "I'm paul. I'm trained in street Shotokan." He did nothing but Bruce Lee looking movie kicks then left after he was told he couldn't spar with his shoes on. That always dissapointed me since he had such a telegraphed step before he kicked I was looking forward to checking him with side kicks any time he moved...
I’m one of those that isn’t *subscribed* but I always come back to watch your vids. You probably won’t see this comment, but me and I’m sure A LOT of people like me, would absolutely LOVE to see more videos like this. Your insight but also your hilarious commentary make every second of this an absolute joy to watch. Again, you probably won’t see this, but this is the kind of content that I, and I’m sure many others, would FLOCK to see.
Also PS: Derrick Lewis proved that BJJ doesn’t work 🤷♂️. (And PSS to the incoming hate: I’m definitely actually being serious, Bradley Martin would destroy Gordon Ryan AND Jon Jones on the same day. Xoxo)
The wind up is just dunking on the punch bag 🤣 As soon as Ernesto slipped that first punch, the can of whup ass was opened. Hilarious shit. I don't think my 4"5 friend would appreciate a childrens book, she may try bite my ankles. I'll get it for my Nephew instead🤘
I fought full contact no protection bare handed for 10 years, and there is no way I would ever accept a challenge by an average Joe. There are just too many things that can go wrong. You can slip and fall, you can get blood infection from the other guy, you can get sued if you hit him too hard, the list goes on. Nah, I'll leave my ego at the door.
Sure 🙄. It’s not who if you fight someone who’s asking you to spar. And I’ve never seen many pro fighters slip and fall. On what?! 😂. You just named a bunch of random stuff that isn’t likely to happen. You can’t get sued if he challenged you and agreed to the consequences. But even still professional fighters should know how to pull their punches. I don’t think you are one.
I'm reminded of a lot of guys going into the military or law enforcement who have an over confidence in firearms based on the fact that they hunt, or shoot bottles in their back yard, compared to guys who have never fucked with guns. 99% of the time, the guys who have fucked with guns a lot, have developed bad habits that are hard to break, and they're stubborn to the point of refusing to acknowledge they've been doing it wrong the whole time.
I feel for your shoulder, I did the same thing and it's never been quite the same. Also, the way you used the phrase "I did not spill" make me think that you were THAT kid. 😆
Back in the 80s when I was at Uni I'd work on building sites in the summer. The amount guys on those sites and those down the pub who'd say they reckoned they could take Tyson (who was then in his prime) was unquantifiable. Hilarious.
I'm 6'-2", 250 pounds (Thanksgiving weight...), and have trained in martial arts for 20 years. I think I could possibly, maybe, on my best day and their worst, beat some of the worst flyweights that have fought in a regional organization...
@@TheeGoatPig just defend your nose, chin and liver, and you should be good, assuming the fly weight doesn't "accidentally" hit your balls to open you up to an uppercut
I always wandered what it would be like to spar a professional fighter. Not fight in a match against, but actually spar, with the genuine intention of the mutual improvement of technique for both parties. I generally prefer to spar more experienced people because they have better self control, and therefore, in my honest opinion, you're actually *less* likely to get injured this way, but what about sparring someone from the UFC - would they consider it a waste of their time, or would they probably gladly oblige?
I've been boxing for two years now and I've started watching these type of videos a lot just to compare average ability and lemme tell ya that first clip with the noises you were making? Me too 😂. Until you have been absolutely unloaded on by someone with significant experience and technique you have no idea what kinds of inescapable pain you can be in. I've been hit with shots I didn't even know existed and then just...more of them.
Back when I was doing TKD I had the privilege of sparring an Olympic alternate. You don't understand the speed difference until it's in your face. I also trained with a guy who fought Chuck Norris back in the dark ages, to quote "you knew the back kick was coming, but there was nothing you could do about it"
I fought a professional fighter once... wait a pro fighter chased me around the ring for 2 rounds!! it was hilarious fun and he loved it, especially when I screamed!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣all he could do was laugh as I escaped out of the ring!! Best day ever!!
It’s funny how no one says “Yeah I could beat Rafael Nadal at tennis” or “Michael Jordan aint shit, I played in highschool”, but for some reason some men think that they could beat a professional MMA fighter at their chosen sport.
One of my favorite "random guys" fighting pro fighters is Tommy Morrison Vs. A drunk Tim Tomashek from the crowd, due to the original fight being cancelled because the other fighter (I think it was Mike Williams) refusing to leave his locker room and...I believe something about a drug test(?) Granted, Tim was a journeyman. However, it was against Tommy (Goddamm) Morrison and he lasted until the 4th round, which is pretty good.
I do remember this one time I saw a big karate guy on the internet talk about side kicking a deer, and I thought to myself, "Hey, I live in Alaska. I bet I could do that next time I see a moose."
I'm not sure how you'd even find someone like that, but I'd love to see some people that have no experience fighting but handle themselves way above average in a fight
I think it's like how when u watch professional cyclists on the road they look really slow. Same with watching people fight. I see them and I think how are they all so slow? They would never even touch me. yeah... untill ur right in front of him, then u'll realise how fast they actually are
Top tip for keeping your moustache clean at a bar- if you order a bottled drink and they offer you a glass, Don't accept and just drink from the bottle and your tache won't dip when you sip.
Maaaan, that bad shoulder you're talking about, having vague doubts whether the collarbone might be fractured; it could be just the cartilage. My shoulder got ruined when I went down to a drop seoi nage where my opponent couldn't close the distance, so that instead of ending on my back, my shoulder took the force. Nothing broken, but because I didn't seek treatment in time, my shoulder, or rather the joint where the upper part of my collarbone connects to the shoulder, is a little messed up. A month has passed, though, so I'm guessing your either fine or stuck with the same shit as me. I hope you're good.
The average guy would walk into NASA and start explaining to the rocket engineers and scientists that they are wrong. They wont say anything of substance, mind you, but the average person is quite dumb and inexperienced.
I had the opportunity to take an epee "lesson" from the Austrian champion of 1932. This 85 year old guy reduced me to a puddle of sweat on the gym floor in less than 20 minutes. In hind sight I think the lesson was about humility.
I love the clip of that old guy, im 20 been training for around half a year and im confident hed make me look stupid in the ring. I hope to be in that good shape when im his age
Amen on the note about being technical. When it comes to technique, I'm DEFINITELY pro level, but physically, I'd get wrecked by a mentally challenged giant. I'm 6'2" and I went from 130 lbs to 180 lbs, from being lazy. So yeah, definitely not doing good in a fight for the next 6 months, while I get active again
130 at 6'2" is skinny AF. source, im 6'2" and i weigh 145 on a good day... and im skinny AF... i would be a skeleton at 130. i would love to put on 30 or 40 pounds but i generally have no appetite and a fast metabolism.
@@William-Morey-Baker yeah same problem. I was a skeleton for the longest time. My advice? Get lazy, and eat as much as possible. Once you've gone far past the weight you want, start training hard again
I honestly can't believe these people. That first guy was pretty tough, though. I'd be on the ground after the first combination, but he just weathered that storm.
