Ive been running 37s on my d30 also with the intention to upgrade and just ordered the 44 to swap out! I suppose after driving it from NC all the way to Alaska it was time. Nice video!
Similar setup to what I’ve got on my JK. Ultimate Dana 44 front and rear factory 44 beefed up. I’ve beefed them both up as much as possible with trusses and chromolys and lockers etc etc. It’s been bulletproof for my 37s so far.
I ran 37s and beadlocks on my Dana 30/ M186 for about a year. Actually luckily I had zero issues with them but I ultimately swapped/upgraded to UD60s before anything did or could go wrong. But, you're right its a matter of time more than if.
3 more Jeep payments til I get spend ,spend and spend some more. Always learn a lot watching. Like how the both of you are so in tune with one another. Thanks for making this.😎
Man I'm honestly feeling pretty good about the m186 seeing how y'all wheel. I suppose I'll truss mine, and regear it for 35s and call it a day. Not sure if I'd throw in a locker or just find a trutrac lsd for it.
Well.. me? I’d always prefer selecting lockers.... less likely to break em... auto lockers can engage at bad times and can cause some significant breaks
For the 4.56s, how did it handle 37s on the highway? I've heard that it's not bad but I'm not sure. As of now, I'm planning on re-gearing for my 35s, and adding an eaton locker in the rear, and keeping the front open for now. I don't really do any crazy wheeling so it's hard to justify a UD44, or swapping rubi axles since it'll have to come with supporting mods like the tie rod etc. I don't go crazy on rocks yet. Option for now was to do a mild build, truss the front axle, and Cs, dynatrac BJs, leave it open, and then wheel it like that on 35s until I start wheeling more often and grow my skills. Just not sure that if that time comes for 37s, if I'll leave it on 4.56s tho
Mo, have to say it - get a piece of meat on that eye. Hence - meat head, lol...🤠 Wow. SERIOUSLY, that entails a lot of changes needed for her jeep. Give me a day or 2 and I'll get on to the donations aspect of your link. Really impressed w/the knowledge you have. Awesome video and very clear as to what is and isn't.
Lmao, I punched myself with a ratchet when I was trying to tighten bolts under my jeep 😂😂😂 But so glad to hear u enjoy the channel and us! We love doing it and even more when we hear such awesome feedback! Just imagine how much more work if we were having to weld on new brackets 🤮 this was fairly straight forward.
Great video! I have the same UD44 up front on my Sahara. I feel a lot better on the trails not worrying about breaking an axle. Anyway, I think your install videos are some of the best I've seen for the JL. Thanks for doing them.
@@litoornelas6409 If you change the gear ratio you have to do front and back. So in my case, the new front axle came with 4.88 gears so the rear had to be re-geared to 4.88 as well. Otherwise, the axle itself can be upgraded independently.
@@litoornelas6409 I just sold the jeep but I had limited slip so it had a D44 already - just a slightly narrower version. 1.5 inches I think. Wasn't noticeable.
Great video yall!!! I am happy for Misty getting new beefier axles. I haven't seen yall in a while and it was refreshing to see yall back. Your videos makes me smile!! Thank you for that! Much love from Louisiana
Good vid, and Awsome channel ive stumbled on. Great to watch the videos and u guys come across as a really genuine fun cool couple. Good to see u guys in family interactions its what keeps us coming back to a day in the life type mod install all in one videos thanks for the good vids.
I went with the JL UD 44 as well. Been a great axIe. I put an arb in the sport 44 though. Didn’t mind the narrower width I can’t even tell. Also, my arb has never had issues with leaking air 😝
Lol, I’m glad to hear it 😂 I mean the difference in width is minor... and I wouldn’t buy a whole new axle for the change... BUT if I had to replace both... I’d go wider 😂
no rubber isolators for the springs? And I'm pretty sure the only difference between a stock Dana 30 and a 44 is the pumpkin is larger on the 44. Same goes with the rear 35/44. ya, I'm going 37's on my JLU Sport, but I'm upgrading everything at once, Dana 44's, new Yukon front and rear driveshafts, 4:88's, e-lockers, 4 inch lift. great vid,
Out of curiosity did your sport not have a rear Dana 44 ? I have a 22 sport it has a d30 in the front and a d44 in the rear .. currently in the market for the front d44 and I’ve been told a wrangler d44 will be “ wider “ by 2in unless I can find a Willy’s d44 off a gladiator Thanks for the vid btw awesome content !
Check to see if you can't move more thread to the left side of your tie rod. You only showed the right side, if your pretty snug on the left side you can move that out and your right side in to even them out. I have the same tie rod on my 18 jlu rubicon and it doesn't show that much thread on one side. I agree with you that's sketchy tho
Yea... it’s out at the max distance synergy recommends... when we were trying to get it close when we first set it up... pretty sure both started out at the same... She still wants something thicker... and rated higher then 1 ton... hoping to have it swapped out by end of the month... I’m looking to switch mine to an Aluminum rod also...
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD always look for mico gap in seals or hub's ,micro cracked inside is cracked bad small crack out side when turning it open up sitting no leaks
What are you both running the stock 3.6 engines? There's really alot to an axle.swap! I've done alot with cars but not this. Do you live in Utah? Thanks
Right? The front came geared to what we wanted... the rear we had to regear to match... but dana don’t seem to be making killer decisions for their business at the moment lol
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD hey side note, if you are still running the OEM aluminum box go get the TSB done that replaces it with a new steel components box. it's a night and day different in vehicle handling. My dealer used me as an experiment to see how big of a difference it really made.
Nice video! How do you like the 37" mtr's vs 38" milestars on road? I assume the mtr's are louder? Was it worth giving up a little height and tire width?
Loving the MTR's I get more done with these tires then I was ever capable with the Patagonias. I grip better to the rocks, I slide off my lines MUCH less. Iv not regretted steeping done in tire size one bit! Thanks for watching friend! always appreciate support!
Don’t get me wrong, dynatrac makes great stuff... but they are a bit more in price, and I still don’t know how I feel about the internals using jk parts.... regardless how ‘proven’ they are... the jl parts are bigger 🤷♂️
No, just the sport axles. Rubicon is more the. Capable to run 37s.... Iv been beating the hell out of mine for some time now... just some regular upgrades is all u need
JL LIFE OFFROAD Figured as much! Thanks for the info! Yes, yours rubi is defiantly a testament of the stock D44s endurance. How do you feel about the stock JK rubi 44s and 37s? I know tubularly they’re not as stout.
You guys made this swap looks so easy and fun. I’m finally doing the same with my Sahara but just going with the original rubicons with 4.10 front and rear. Since everything is pretty much bolt in. I just need new tie rod and drag link ? How about the e-Brake cable ? Do I need a new one since the new axles are wider ? And another question. When you engage the e-lockers, do you see the indicator light in the dashboard ? Appreciate your tips.
It’s nothing to hard, just take your time, remember to be safe under the jeep and re tighten all bolts. To answer your questions. 1. No new e brake line is needed. Just reroute the line like I do in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JgNDuCNwlHs.html 2. No, indicator lights adding the lockers in the dash. I just bought different lines and ran em straight to a switch thou. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l1SiUJcC3-g.html 3. (Just realized I answered out of order) the rubicon tiered/ drag link are ever so Longer then sport/Sahara. It’s recommended to swap. But yes, you seem to be on top of things 👍👍
I have the same Dana 30 and 35 on my Sahara but I am running 35 inch tires and only drive it on streets. I haven’t done any extreme off-roading. Do you think I will have problems with my axels? Or are 35 better for those axels?
If ur only stay on the streets, u will be fine, we abused these quite a bit off-road with 37s and they held up just fine. Being on road only, I wouldn’t be to worried about ur choice.
Hey guys, great vid. I did pretty much the same conversion on my Sport and I have a question for you. What front driveshaft to pinion angle did you end up with? I had to dial quite a bit of angle out of mine to get rid of vibrations. I had the shaft checked (a brand new Dana aftermarket shaft at the time) and it was fine, so it was a bit surprising I had to get it to so little angle to eliminate any vibes. Granted it was just a hum you could hear and nothing you could feel, but that still would have worn things out over time.
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD Thanks for checking that out and getting back with me! Mine is at 3 degrees if you can believe it. I was at just about 6.5 also when it had the stock driveshaft but the switch to a double cardan brought about the vibrations I was referring to. I had to dial that much out of it to completely get rid of them. At about 4.5 the vibe was gone but it still hummed audibly.
1.... the price, dana was the cheaper option... 2... easier to find axle builder parts... most parts are plug and play from stock parts... Hmm Thts all I got right now 😂😂😂
Are y’all in NM? I saw the Zia on your shirt so I was just wondering. I just moved to the state and I’m trying to learn some new trails/find any popular places to go see!
Yes sir, Albuquerque area. We have a bunch of local spot videos you should check out. Im actually going to separate a new playlist to just NM stuff for you
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD HAHA I have yet to find any as I am doing the exact swap shortly and have the RK Gen 1 currently with the Gen 2 on order. keep me posted if you find anything that works.
Man... why you so mad at the FAD? If you haven't broken one, they can't be that bad. And you wheel more and harder than probably 99% of the rubicons on the road. Good video! new axles are plug and play... kinda. All good info!
Hmmm... good question... I know we measured em when we swapped her old rear shaft... but I don’t remember what the verdict was... dammit I’m a crap teacher lol
JL LIFE OFFROAD no problem. I appreciate you taking time to reply. I have a 2020 diesel JLU so I have the Ultimate 44’s from the factory except I still have the FAD and I was thinking of doing the exact same thing you guys did but I thought it was odd that the Rubicon rear had a pumpkin that was not centered. I’d love to know if your new rear is offset in the middle. If it is I assume it’s not an issue for driveshaft alignment.
I don’t think they currently make one for the JL yet. Think misty is between RPM and Rusty’s at the moment... but I’ll definitely go see if RK currently making one
Great choice on the upgrades! I went with UD60's on my JK and the UD60's are a great value for sure. ARB's are pain in the dick. E-Lockers all day long.
Pretty decently priced... we got the rear for 1800 and the front was around 4500... however u will need to regear the rear if u don’t order the front in 4.10... hoping dana changes tht
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD Great video...If the total cost was $6300 + the cost of the rear axle regear, I'm curious why you didn't buy takeoff front & rear rubi axles for $3500 ish and regear them and save $2500? You could weld on a truss for cheap to reinforce the housing.
www.google.com/shopping/product/2381442880420881727?q=harbor+freight+ball+joint+separator&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS791US792&hl=en-US&biw=375&bih=640&tbs=vw:l,ss:44&sxsrf=ALeKk00kxLKxnf7ufNXvZxm7ixfb9MUPkA:1602809023292&prds=epd:4941902650115603163,cdl:1,prmr:1,cs:1 However I did need to widen the end to get it to fit around the jl TREs I used a plasma cutter 😬😬😬 #cheating
Sorry, the channel had been lacking for a few months... been really busy and focused on some other life things... but for now... we have clear calendars!
This is true, but I got wind that it was on its way, being the very first JL at my local dealer and I wanted it 🤷🏻♀️ at the time I didn’t know how much I would enjoy the new hobby I found 💛
And it really depends... how much u can find a rubicon for over a sport... if ur able to do the labor urself or paying someone to do it... wanna say we picked up the rear for about $1800 and the front for around $4500
So with the beefier front axle, lockers , higher gearing than a Rubicon and the chrome aly axles all around you are probably total Rubicon dollars had you bought a Rubicon but you are better due to the extra beef and gearing.
Daily driver... and much more added weight.... adding all tht extra weight will lead to engine failure and upgrade.... all the extra upgrades to handle the weight.. easily cost 3x+ what we paid for the 44s...
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD weak... Just kidding. After watching all of it, its a solid build. Sucks about the steering and the wider axles affecting brake lines. Overall great job.
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD it's amazing those axles lasted as long as they did. That's good info for people that dont want to wheel hard tho. Maybe trusses and regear is all they have to do👍👍
Didn’t you guys run the Yukon fad delete ? I was running into the same issue with Yukon fad delete and it caused an axle seal leak on my passenger side, replaced 2 seals and continued to have issues, just for shits and giggles put the stock shaft back in(without replacing the seal) leak is gone.....I’m curious if this is what happened to you guys too
U know, I recall reading ur post about tht... I 100% expected better from Yukon.... I’d recommend getting the RCV putter seals and calling it a day... Based on times.... I think the Yukon shafts just weren’t tight enough.... granted.... don’t fix the Pinon seal and mistys been ready for an axle upgrade for some time...
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD yeah Yukon is a pain in the ass to deal with the amount of money I spent on getting the seal replaced (I was to lazy to do it myself) and the axles alone I wish I would of went rcv out the gate and went with their 2 piece Just for shits and giggles you still have those stock shafts for misty Jeep? Throw them back in the housing and fill the housing up rotate the axle a few times and see if it’s holding I’m pretty sure that Yukon has some bullshit shafts I measured them and they are little bit bigger on the sealing surface and I’m pretty sure they are burning up seals, currently battling with them now
Couple question did you use the same knuckles from the Dana 30 and Dana 35? And did you use the same steering link/components? I’m getting take off from rubicon and the end is missing the knuckles tie rod and drag link
So some steering systems,,,, have sport Vs rubicon specific linkage. Synergy does not. So we reused it, but do not intend on keeping it in. We want something heavier duty. On the M186(dana 30) you will reuse the knuckle and brakes from your old axle. The rear M200 (Dana35) you won't reuse none of it. If you are replying that one with the rubicon M220 (dana44) you will need brakes off of a rubicon (just the rear) the sport axle brakes will not fit over the rotor. Does that help?
JL LIFE OFFROAD 100% thank you so much for the fast response and I do have a full m220 axle the front one is the one is not complete I’m gonna go ahead and order Rusty’s steering since I already have their track bar take a look at them they are awesome
JL LIFE OFFROAD they are back in stock I ordered the aluminum one this morning and shipped out today, this video will help me a lot thank you for making it and no trying to be perfect and use fancy tools
Been waiting for this video for so long!!!!!!! That’s crazy that the axle had two leak points. I was wondering if it was going to bend or break with all the wheeling y’all do. My first question, is the one axle wider than the other seeing the one is a rubicon axle or did you get the front rubicon width? So re-use the front “C’s” but the rear came with rubicon “C’s”? I know y’all don’t like the dealership, and I forget what tuner y’all have but are you able to change what the computer is reading, or is it just the gears that it needs to recognize? Fancy tool you got there to get the tie rod and drag link off. I just used a prickle fork on my old tie rod and drag link but if I do my axle swap I’ll have to consider taking care of the ends. I haven’t had locker(air or electric). I’m hoping whichever ones I get they won’t have too many issues. That’s nice the rear came with new brakes. 16:50ish, what’s with the sway bar connections being disconnected or am I seeing something? Nvm y’all explained. When I contacted steer smarts they said just to contact them and it’s just a simple purchase of the tube or something for the width difference. I wouldn’t weld. Have y’all thought about the antirock sway bar kit? Sorry about the long comment. Really have been looking forward to this video since a axle swap on my sport is going to be one of the next big things to my Jeep. Awesome video!!!
Ok,, so I’ll be responding in several messages to be sure I respond to all ur questions... 😆 First... sorry for the last few months... had been busy and focused on some important moves in my life... but we are past it... at least for now.
Yes... u reuse the front knuckles and brakes... however the back u have to swap brakes if u don’t have the d44 back there.... the caliper don’t fit over the rubicon rotor. It’s a tad thicker.
Great overview both Mo n Misty ... You mentioned a number of things I was thinking of during it later on (ie drain plug, etc). Really liking the look of Misty's new tires... Look forward to seeing how they preform. Rubicon breaks were larger than the sport... Going to have to go back and review what y'all said there. Linkage looks like a simple piece to mimic amd make correct fabbing one yourself or let me know and I'll get the shop to toss one together from stainless. Again great job ... All 3 of you ;)
I was hoping to do the breaks when we extended the lines... but it wasn’t gonna happen... rather bleed the brakes once rather then twice.. but oh well... me just being lazy 😂 The tires have been great so far... mistys at around 10k on hers... I’m at around 4K Steering linkage,.... I think misty was looking at rpm or Rusty’s at the moment... But Glad to hear u enjoyed! Thank you for watching and ur support 🙌🙌🙌
Sorry friend, I haven't forgotten about it. First I started investing into power tools, then had to take a break from the Jeep/ garage life for some other important things. Now the election is heating up, being threatened by the left with violence over the sole factor if they don't win will = violence. Iv been investing into our safety lol. Of course I got some major changes going on with Heathen,,,, axles were one, have another big project in the near future for her. Give me time friend, we will get there!
Yea. I'm that way to but at the same time, your providing a form of entertainment and having donation setup helps with the cost of doing what you do. Don't feel guilty for it, there is a cost for what you do and those who donate understand it.
Jeep is completely incapable of making a good axle period, just like chrysler cant make transmissions but I'll digress lol my dirty thirty has survived a full year now of wheeling east coast and now here in NM 2 to 3 times a week but much work was needed, welded the tubes to the diff housing trussed gussets 1/2 thick diff cover to completely eliminate any deflection making my driveshaft my weak point which is fine with me, deflection will break any ring and or pinion regardless of axle, chromoly shafts and chromoly u joints with full clips tube thickness really doesnt add much strength its tube diameter physics is funny that way smh I have a kingpin 60 sterling 10.25 and 14 bolt sitting just cant bring myself to add all that weight and ruin my daily driving of my rig guess I'll drop coin on a tera 44 with lockout hubs and use the sterling with a ballistic fab shave kit smh jeeps should of found a cheaper hobby
😂😂 weight was a big decider for not getting tons... like u... daily drive it and like it to be comfortable. The v6 ain’t enough to pull all tht extra weight around 😂 I agree the axles could have been much better designed... but they did make some improvements to the jl over the jk in terms of the axle... but definitely things I would like different on them
