Axle Truss vs Axle Sleeve

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The debate rages on! Axle truss or axle sleeve! This is something I have seen debated quite a bit on Facebook groups and message boards. There is a big difference in the install time and the strength over all. In today's video I want to explore this subject and see if we can get to the bottom of this. If you disagree with me then feel free to tell me in the comments! Just don't be a dick about it lol.
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@helsersgarage 4 года назад

Just do both, we’re generally only talking about $100 extra for both versus just 1. We’ve all blown $100 on stupider things

@MischiefMakerTV 4 года назад

matt williams so true 🤑

@helsersgarage 4 года назад

MischiefMakerTV holy cow! I got a reply from a celebrity :) or at least RU-vid famous :) same difference

@davidgrant3940 4 года назад

@Midwest Jeeper Only if you plan on jumping it. I abused the shit out of my ol 30. Zero issues.

@pjshooter6 4 года назад

Inner sleeves can make rvc axle shafts not fit also.

@TheRightLine 4 года назад

I did both on my Rubicon. Evo manufacturing truss and Teraflex sleeves

4 года назад

This channel is something I can trust when so much utube is garbage information. I'm sure once in a while your info can be incorrect but for the most part it's spot on. Your explanation of the info is a huge help in getting people who have questions to understand why you feel the way you do about a certain subject. It's more than appreciated to have a reliable source of info and is helpful in helping with what decisions have to be made on a certain build. I bought a JL and everything I've heard about your jeeps I've been able to translate for my JL when I've had a question. Thanks for the reliable information.

@christophershepherd1983 4 года назад

oh thank god I don't have to go through another forum post about this debate. Nate puts another fiery forum topic to bed :)

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Lol I did my best! Time will tell

@christophershepherd1983 4 года назад

Dirt Lifestyle oh I’m sure haters gonna hate. Great info though!!

@nickeisenbarth2011 4 года назад

Glad you broke off from BleepinJeep. Keep up the hard work!!

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thanks! Me too!

@ericmillier6652 4 года назад

Being a toyota guy, I didn’t know that sleeving an axle was a thing. We only do truss/gusset kits due to the design of the axle and how easy it is. As always I’m learning something new on your channel. Keep it up!

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thanks! Sleeving is only a dana thing. Its lazy but it works sometimes lol

@mattcobb1937 4 года назад

Thanks for your knowledge man, I love learning. I actually posted this question on a Facebook group page yesterday. You answered it in a much easier way to understand though. Thanks!

@LoonieLoks 4 года назад

Love these videos so much help with knowledge and confidence and the learning for me. Great video here.

@eldiablobiker 4 года назад

Really been enjoying the new content. Used some of your tips on my most recent project. Keep up the good work

@jasonburan9451 3 года назад

Good info!!! Starting a TJ "overhaul" this winter and love all the great info I've seen on your channel!! 👍👍 Keep up the awesome work!!

@Schillrm 4 года назад

This is one of my favorite type of videos. I'm a little bit new to this hobby and appreciate all the good information I can get. Of course, as with most things, there is more than one right way to do things.

@PaulKaiser42 4 года назад

I like the pros and cons in video and then the direction you choose...always giving options is very helpful. Thank you!!!

@jaymiller4031 4 года назад

I like how you explain things.

@Bigfoots_brotherinlaw 4 года назад

I literally was doing a search for this last night. Love the channel thanks for the info and great vids.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Good timing! Thanks for watching 👊

@lesszabo5625 4 года назад

Thanks for your thoughts on this subject Nate, great informative video. We all know there are pros and cons to either one. It's up to the individual to decide which way they want to go.

@spaceyy89keller14 4 года назад

I got a 02 wj that I'm playing with and this helps alot thanks. Keep keepin it real

@angusmcguckian7314 4 года назад

Keep up the good work Nate! Love your channel and how you explain things....

@Cornbreadthejeep 4 года назад

I got a set of j10 axles i plan to throw under my 58 cj5 and i am planning on trussing them. Awesome content you've been putting out. Hope to see you out on the trail someday!

@justinschultz6857 4 года назад

If you want to understand how it works, the term is “moment of inertia” and it explains why beams are made in an I shape. That’s the “bigger” he’s talking about. You have to get the bass away from the center of the tube to get a big difference in strength

@ItsaJeepWorld 4 года назад

Great episode!! I chose pound in sleeve, went in pretty easy (no bent axle) and then trussed it as well for double support and protection.

@Dwayne671 4 года назад

Good Stuff Man. Enjoy the channel and the knowledge you share. Saw you at the 4x4 swap meet over the weekend in the 4wheel parts vendor area.

@VideoShowMeHow 4 года назад

Mate perfect timing on this one, starting a front diff rebuild this weekend and have been checking out both of this options! Cheers

@josephnajm2209 4 года назад

Love the vids man, keep it up!

@johnlloyd8000 4 года назад

I went with both. Burning in the sleeves before welding the truss on didn’t add much fabrication time and just made sense as my end goal was to bulletproof the front d44 on my 2011 jku.

@grocer3 4 года назад

@dirtlifestyle I did press in sleeves on my xj d30. I didnt realize that I had ordered JK sleeves until my inner axle seal popped out with a foot of sleeve sticking out of the axle. Fortunately I was able to beat it out from the other side with a long poll and cut it down...Measure before you go slamming them into your axles.

@cmac956 4 года назад

good video Nate, answeres all the questions to ask .thank you.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thanks!

@sloppyoppie 4 года назад

Seen a couple 2by tip to tip sleeves (double sleeved: inner and outer) in my Baja days.. They seemed pretty tough. Thats another alternative as one other poster noted. I'd personally truss everything but a 14bolt... rear. I think I'd add a bumper/bottom truss of sorts to one if fabbed into a front 14b for rock sliding and impacts. Been pondering doing one of those for a while.

@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS 4 года назад

Another great video. Your tips and topics are always 🔥 .

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thank you!

@reagan860 4 года назад

Always great videos!

@hargisbb 4 года назад

I’d love to see somemore about that top and side truss you showed off

@erichughes9098 4 года назад

Another great video Nate thank you! 😎

@joesears773 4 года назад

Sleeve and truss problem solved!

@bquade70 4 года назад

Awesome info, will actually help me out soon. Thx

@XtremeChiliPepper 4 года назад

Awesome man, good info! btw - the hat and shirt are top quality, very happy with both. Sticker was a little goofy, but it's on there! Peace!

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thanks buddy! I appreciate the support 👊

@JoeGarofaloII 4 года назад

Just when I think I know a decent amount about off roading, you tell me there's something called an axle sleeve 😅 great job as always sir! I always enjoy some quality education 👍

@grangerdoopey2971 4 года назад

Never seen or heard of sleeves before, very interesting

@ahmedbadr6362 4 года назад

Nate, love your videos, great info, technique and production. Very much appreciated. Do you have any detailed info on the axle build from scratch? Blog, video, forum post? I'm thinking in doing the same and need to research this as much as possible. Thanks.

@Willspecgarage 4 года назад

Good info, Nate! I love my truss!

@LonersGuide 4 года назад

I like the backbone truss on your 9" I've wanted to do the same with my TJ 44, but obviously the necessity of the rear cover makes that a lot more work. Yeah, polishing turds can be fun. I'd say if you're going with a lightweight axle to begin with, like a D30 or (Jeep) D44, truss AND sleeve it. These axles need all the help they can get, especially if you're not running coilovers, since the area above the spring mounts can't be trussed (except for a spring-under config.), make sure it's as strong as possible in those areas too. BTW, a big part of the reason 1-ton axles are so heavy is because the tubing thickness tends to be ~3/8 to 1/2".

@cespool 4 года назад

I've seen trophy truck builders weld a section of backbone truss with captured nuts to a heavy steel diff cover. They french in round tubing to the sections of backbone truss that weld to the axle tubing. Allowing you to still be able to service your differential. Hope this helps you with building your backbone truss.

@LonersGuide 4 года назад

@@cespool Thank you, Brandon, that's exactly what I had in mind! The main thing that I have found daunting about it (besides being broker than Nate's RCV axle) is that I figure I'll likely have to have the gasket mating surface milled flat again. Either that or spend a few evenings with a vise, flat file, and a straightedge.

@cespool 4 года назад

@@LonersGuide have you toyed with the idea of treating it like it was a cylinder head? Look up cylinder head resurfacing at home. This may be a better solution for you. Plus it looks a whole lot faster.

@LonersGuide 4 года назад

@@cespool If you mean using sandpaper on a big block or table top, that probably would be a lot faster. Good suggestion--thanks!

@phillippearce9680 4 года назад

Great info!

@clwade10 4 года назад

Great video Nate! You explain things very well and easy to understand. I don't have the skills you do to truss/sleve my D30 myself so I would rely on a shop to do it. For the parts/labor costs wouldn't it make more sense to go Prorock 44 as opposed to reinforcing the 30? Or would aftermarket options need to be reinforced too eventually? I don't plan on going bigger than 35's so I assume it would also depend on how crazy you want to go with tire/wheel size. Love the channel :)

@dougtweedy70 4 года назад

Thanks Nate from a Battle Ground, WA wheeler. I really appreciate your sharing of so much information. No BS and presented in a way most of us can understand. I saw you at KOH but did not stop to talk. Are you going to be at EJS this year?

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thanks! Yep I will be there

@thelolipopkidz 4 года назад

Id love to see you make that backbone for the rear axle, the winch points you welded on there are a nice touch too btw

@dennis-s 4 года назад

Never thought to participate at the yearly ultimate adventure? You have all the knowledge to make it through it.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

I would love to go on this trip but I hear it's almost impossible to get in!

@cencoast_7.340 4 года назад

@@DirtLifestyle Not impossible. You've made it this far in the sport and there's no reason you couldn't do it. You have the skills just need the want...

@ATEMOFFROAD 4 года назад

Man I can tell you love those dimple dies, use them on everything. Very cool 😎

@gordowg1wg145 4 года назад

It may help if you think os a 2x4"length of wood - it's much stronger on edge than flat. same amount of wood, but the shape makes it stronger. Personally, I would recommend the truss as a sleeve does nothing to strengthen the critical area of the housing where the tube enters - and a skid plate can be incorporated into the design.

@greghubert4968 4 года назад

Another good video,greetings from Poland,cheers

@latemcire8387 4 года назад

Great info! Would you ever consider doing a video on the basics of custom fabing an axle housing from scratch?

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Yep, but it needs to be something I'm already building. I want to build a full float 9" in the future 👍

@scottgilliland5015 4 года назад

Very well explained 👍

@cjg253 4 года назад

Good explanation Nate. I think arguing sleeve vs truss is a Jeep thing, as I have never heard anyone try and say a sleeve was better. There is a reason when building roll cage and chassis that engineers use larger diameter tubes at the same thickness when they need a stronger design. Thicker walled tubing is more resistant to dents, but only marginally more resistant to bending. Personally I think sleeving is a waste of time for the marginal amount of strength gained for how much work is involved. A truss also has the benefit of creating mounting mounts on the axle for different types of link suspension.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Absolutely 👊

@nickb7122 4 года назад

I wanted extra assurance, so I sleeved and trussed my front JKU Rubicon axle.

@TheDanguruss 4 года назад

Nate! still loving the beats man. It just makes this video so much easier to watch.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Lol thanks brother!

@kenskens69 4 года назад

Thanks , im building a 30 hp like the one u did i will led you know how it go

@BecksArmory 4 года назад

I plan to do both. I started with the sleeve just because it's easier.

@Wooskii1 4 года назад

I agree, truss for the win! Keep the vids coming. Thanks!

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

👊

@mikehancho5286 4 года назад

Nate once again you are killing it with quality content. I would like to toss you some ideas. 1) There are (or used to be) external weld on sleeve kits. These were pipe laser cut to fit around OEM brackets on production rigs such as the JK D44. These were around $230,and created a much stronger sleeve due to O.D. size increase wile gaining wall thickness. 2) If you weld on a truss wrong I.E. to much heat on one side vs the other you can tweak the axle. 3) I would advise you down load Fusion 360 from auto desk. It is a free CAD program that is very strong. I am sure you could use this for a lot of your builds especially brackets since you can draw them up, print them out to scale, and transfer that drawing to the steel you plan on using, or have them water jetted out via the DXF file. 4) Use said Fusion 360 to do some rudimentary axle 3d drawings, and run Finite Element analysis. These images produced by the software would add a level professionalism to a video such as this that is really not seen while explaining how the added strength, or deflection of said components. Pic = 1000 words! Love the content, and the production quality is beast mode! Cheers from Duvall,Wa

@BuildSomethingAuto 3 года назад

BTW when you're talking about how making it a bigger diameter without making it a thicker wall, the concept you're trying to get across is called the "area moment of inertia" of the axle. To calculate how much a beam would bend you need the stress (force) on it as well as it's area moment of inertia, meaning how much material there is and how far the material is from the bending axis. Sticking more material further away from the centerline of the axle means it resists bending better, even if you used the same amount of material. This is why I beams resist bending REALLY well even though they don't use that much material as other designs, they have a lot of material hanging really far away from the center line essentially. I would agree with you that trussing is a much better design if your concern is bending, then simply making the wall thicker. Great videos! Making it intuitively understandable to the layman, just thought someone might be interested in the technical name for this and where it comes from.

@joecollier9445 4 года назад

Thanks bro!

@steventaylor470 4 года назад

Weld in sleeves, top truss, back truss followed by a WOT "Send It" 😁

@ilemjohn 4 года назад

Good info

@E-N-A-R-D-L-A-V 4 года назад

Which is why I always do both.

@GladiatorGang 4 года назад

Any kind of estimates on how much weight that added (haven’t watched the video yet so not sure if you covered that or not). Love your content, glad we’ve been able to talk. Your editing and level of cinematic effects is impressive. Glad you’re FULL TIME NOW.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thanks! I'm not sure on added weight. The ford 9" in the thumb nail is extremely lightweight. I built the housing and truss out of 3/16. I bet without gears and shafts its 100 lbs.

@GladiatorGang 4 года назад

Dirt Lifestyle oh cool, DM’d you as well. That’s not bad at all.

@MrMrsregor 4 года назад

welding truss can also warp an axle very easily. i was very careful while welding, but still warped my dana 30. then we chained to a steel table with a 30ton jack under it, applied force with the jack, made one little cut, and heated the bottom over and over while trying to rapid cool it in between heat cycles.... i think/hope we got it straightened out, just reinstalled it, haven't drove it yet. i guess i will find out soon

@connor3288 2 года назад

How did it turn out? What kinda welder you use? Im a noob to welding, mostly messed with stick, but i imagine you go from side to side a little bead at a time, same idea as tightenening cover bolts or head bolts. I wonder if the problem is welding a truss only on the top side of axle, i imagine a low pro wraparound truss would be easiest to avoid warpage, since you could weld a small bead on top then bottom immediatly before 1st weld cools, i imagine it would cancel out any warpage.

@hisnameisiam808 4 года назад

So I'm just getting an hp 30(new to me) trussed after discussing it with Josh @ S.F.F. Customs. It's also getting an ox locker. Biggest tire size will be 37s but most likely 35s. The rear is getting an 8.8. I have to paint them myself 🤣... $3,480. Thanks to you and yours for making all the videos that have helped to inform me of what I should do with limited funds and a desire to have a slightly less wimpy tj to go wheeling with my son/daughter/wife in. I've been doing research on jeeps since I was 15 and bought my tj that I have now at 27. Funds never allowed for me to do much but I am older and I make more now. Especially combined with what my wife makes(we teach martial arts). Aaaand trump is president - our tax return was Yuuuge lol. I pray God blesses you. -Zach

@geohandler9942 4 года назад

Just finished Trussing and nitro sleeving (tight fit but it went all the way in) my JK 44 this weekend, hopefully it will help with the 37's Now regearing it to 5.13 .

@jt-gm6ji 4 года назад

Intro is sick 👌

@rcmike09 4 года назад

I like the handles you can use to carry the axle around with. Or, tie your rig down.

@Ducati279 4 года назад

great Channel. Regards from Germany

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Thank you!

@brianpardee1281 4 года назад

Just trussed my hp30 and 8.25 plenty beefy with the trusses only

@josephmcclure6229 4 года назад

To bad no video when you built that rear 9"axle. Look massive and sweet at the same time.

@GladiatorGang 4 года назад

Stupid question, and maybe you cover this as well later too, but what if you sleeve you’re axles and truss them, wouldn’t that be double the strength, or at least quite a bit more? Love how you explain this stuff. Normally we let the experts just handle this for us, but good to learn a bit 👌

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

The truss make the axle so much stronger you dont need both. These are made up numbers but think of it like the truss adds 400% strength and the sleeve adds 20%. The difference really is that dramatic

@leskobrandon538 4 года назад

Your on track!....

@cencoast_7.340 4 года назад

Pound for pound if you're going to do only one and your goal is to stop from bending an axle then Truss It 99% of the time.

@forrestrichardson8891 4 года назад

good content

@adamclinkenbeardclinkenbea7741 4 года назад

Just note that people do bent jk housings when adding trusses..... at least sometimes. I know of 2 and I don’t know that many people. I’ve also seen a couple Jk’s with trusses smash the oil pan so it does limit up travel... I still say buy a Currie or dynatrac housing, thicker and larger diameter tubes and better c’s along with added caster so you can drive the thing. Just my 2c. That 9 housing looks beefy. I’ve always liked 9’s. That extra support bearing on the pinion matters.

@street_legal_go_kart7356 4 года назад

100% agree . carbon off road builds rock jock 44 & 60's ready to go .

@vincentcarriere183 4 года назад

Would sleeving my dana 30 before installing a trust prevent warp from welding? I imagine so but still curious

@adamclinkenbeardclinkenbea7741 4 года назад

Vincent Carriere just be careful with the heat. Do short welds and move around a lot. Don’t weld long beads in one area.

@jimlayhey1965 4 года назад

i have dana 30 jku with 35s 4.88 gears i do moderate wheeling could i get away with truss kit on dana 30 or should i get dana 44 later love your Chanel

@thecolliwog141 4 года назад

You should make a video on how to build your own axle like yours

@prospexican 4 года назад

Hi, what kind a welding rods recommend for cast iron to still trusts welding?

@DF-yi5nv 2 месяца назад

Great video! Question. Im trying learn on the fly as I make changes to my rig. I have an 2005 LJ Rubicon with 4.5 long arm on 35’s. I just did my “first real wheeling” at Windrock and now i want more. I want to go 37’s. Sounds like truss will be a good idea. Anything else ? Steering pump or box ? I have rockjock correctlync steering. I suspect im creating a new weak spot somewhere?

@warpigolet 3 года назад

I personally broke a Dana 60 center housing under my 1966 4x2 Chevrolet 3/4 ton. Stiff leaf spring, fire roads and early metallurgy contributed to its demise. For desert racing, rock "pogos" I would truss. Here in the pacific northwest for trail duty and mud, trusses get in the way.

@VehicleTribe 4 года назад

Great channel 👌🏻 how do you like your Maxxis Razr tires? I was gonna get a set of 37s but there are not many reviews out there.

@mattlinderkamp9489 4 года назад

He has a review video of them on his channel I believe.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Here is a link to my thoughts on the razrs 👍 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fdOvdU-Iz2k.html

@DaysofPainandVictory 4 года назад

Do you think a front truss on a low pinion d44 could help with pinion deflection? Worth the effort? Metal and welding rod is cheap

@wvjeepguy8178 4 года назад

sleeves don't do anything but keep your tube from getting dented. A truss is there to prevent bending.

@adamriivald7217 4 года назад

Nate, would you recommend a Full Float 9" and why aren't they more common in Off-road?

@noahjones9346 4 года назад

What about outer axle sleeves? Technically makes the axle tube thicker as well as larger diameter right? I know not super common but something I've seen on one or two rigs and debated amongst my friends.

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

Outer sleeves aren't a bad move for the right rig but they still aren't near a strong as an axle truss. 👍

@shawnsutton8507 4 года назад

Any chance on the song credit at the end? Rock the beat?

@paulhughes9722 3 года назад

Whats your opinion on trussing and putting chromoly axle shafts in a HPdana30 front of 89 xj

@mrderek800 3 года назад

@Dirt Lifestyle, Can a sleeve & a truss both be done to an axle or only one?

@MrMctheking 4 года назад

Any use for both on a Dana 44? I’m already trussed front and rear but why not get more beef? Right?

@the-bu3lb 2 года назад

What if you do both sleeve and then truss u can’t go wrong then correct ? The a stronger diff cover. ? I would like to do 513 on my jku Dana 30 can u hep with some advice also considering doing the truetrac also. Thank you. N

@zoomer3drey 4 года назад

Full-float locking hub conversion?

@jamesvictor2599 4 года назад

As usual good information given.

@EvanMoon 4 года назад

All about the trust, trust your truss

@Zapo9668 4 года назад

What is the ideal thickness of the axel truss material that you used? Also, should you weld it completely closed or make holes for water to enter and drain?

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

It is circumstantial. The truss for my 9" is 3/16 and fully welded but I wouldn't recommend it. On my front truss I used 1/8" for the webbing and 1/2" (overkill) for the top. 👍

@allanwagner4570 4 года назад

What do u think bout the G2 44 housings?? Truss?? No truss?? Sleeve?? Running 35s on a 05 TJ rock krawling in AZ

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

I personally wouldn't wheel hard with out a truss. I know the g2 housing is thicker then OEM but I still like a truss for cheap Insurance. At least you have TJ. Being light makes everything more durable!

@moejr14 2 года назад

What’s the best way to weld a plug weld? I’m new to welding al

@keithw372 4 года назад

can use a porta power to get a sleeve in, like a high tonage one...

@DirtLifestyle 4 года назад

That would probably work really well 👍

@geekytechycool 4 года назад

Truss all day, I've seen to many horror stories about guys running sleeves that "weld" to the shaft after install when under load.

@redneck6pack 4 года назад

Truss is the way to go!

@ameyers67 4 года назад

Moment of Inertia.

@jeepindave5464 4 года назад

Radius of gyration? Lol

@heartsky 4 года назад

@@jeepindave5464 Nerdius Flexus

@MrG8Rsir 4 года назад

Section Modulus

@xmo552 3 года назад

When I pound my moment of inertia into her radius of gyration she always puts on a nerdius flexus face 😨😮😯🤐😧😫

@williampfeil5259 2 года назад

Is it possible to remove all the brackets on a 30 and then wrap the housing with a larger diameter pipe. Slicing it longways and then reweld it around the shaft.