5 to 10 years from now B series engines and their parts will be more desirable than ever. Far from obsolete, they are the quintessential Honda engine, they will never go out of fashion.
Any of the B16A, B16B , B18C , B18C1 , will all be desirable. They will bring value to your Hondas long term. Always legendary and long lasting. Yes the k might succeed it but you might a gain of a few HP and TQ but REV no way. You cant rev the K24 or the K20 no more then 7500 RPM so its a whole different type of engine. Sure its a new Evolutionary step but the B belong to the lighter Classic EF, EG, you see they are made for one another. You start adding more Weight to the Chassis it changes how it handles alot of things. If your building a drag car sure you can go B20 Vtec or Turbo. Either way for me the B16A and the B16B are more then enough to do what I would like to do with the CRX. I want more dude I bust out my Supra for that Everything in its rightful place. I know there are others who are going to go all out Turbo built motors. But when you see a CRX with a B16 and it can do a mid 11 man just NA yeah that says something. Its respected in its own right.
Between k24, b19,b20, k20.. etc what’s fastest ... also what civic is best to get what’s the lightest money isn’t a problem to me I wanna bully everyone I’m in California 😂
You make really good points but I don't think that the B series will ever become "outdated". Those old guys we see you at the track with their muscle cars from the 70s... Why don't they just put in a new LS1 from a Corvette or an SRT8 from a new gen charger or cram that Shelby GT500 engine in them? There will always be better technology out there. In 20 to 30 years WE will be those old farts that are wrenching on our old outdated Civics. "yes, I know it's 2039 and Honda has its new reactor core, uranium powered four-cylinder... but I still want to go K..."
7 лет назад
People already are wrenching their outdated civics.. The B-series is already outdated lol.. You come here to Philly and go to Little Puerto Rico in North Philly, every Rican got a 90's Civic and they all working on them. Its like a blast to the past, like Cuba LOL
Jimmy Slapp because those old guys with muscle cars have 3 times the displacment then a outdated b series and make 5 times the hp in every form(NA to NA, FI to FI) then your engine ever could.
I'll stick to the B-series. Power and cost figures are a means of measuring the value of an engine but I go on the driving experience. Very few engines sound as good as a Vtec B series reaching the last couple hundred RPM before redline. My B16A2 sings at 8,000+rpm!
Yes, B-series engines are prone to leaks. You have to change valve cover gaskets, cam plugs, and oil pan gaskets; or you can rebuild and start fresh. They also run a timing belt, so you have the added maintenance of a timing belt and water pump every 100,000 miles. Plus cam seals and a crank seal. Lots of places to leak oil. If your car came with a B-series, it's still completely viable in 2022. People aren't B-swapping, but lots of people are keeping up their B-series engines. If you want to swap, save up for the K-swap. But if you have a B, it can run just fine.
I don't know how true this is, but I hear k series transmissions don't hold up as well to abuse as b series. Now if that is true, then I believe it's something worth mentioning and is often left out of the conversation.
coming back to this video in 2024 it’s funny to see that b swaps cost more than k. b series are still less power and less reliable but they are sought after as a nostalgic engine
leaning towards a f20b myself, 88mm piston 4p headwork custom upper manifold with ford twin butterfly throttle body, dunno about boost as of yet, since I do miss having an na buzzbomb
Just did a K swap into a Del Sol (2019): $4,500 for a JDM K20A (DC5 Type-R) with Y2M3 transmission $2,000 for all the needed swap parts and miscellaneous stuff that comes up $2,000 in labor for install and light fab work So to pay someone else to do it, about $8,500 for a FULL swap, that's AC and everything. You could of course get these prices down quite a bit by going with a K20A2 (or similar), non LSD transaxle, opting to not do power steering and AC, and doing the install yourself. If I had to guess, bare bones, you're probably talking about $2,500 for a three lobe VTEC motor (that's the performance a 200+ HP variety) with open diff trans, probably $1,400 for swap parts (seeing as you're deleting AC and power steering), and probably $1,600 labor (or no labor if you do it yourself). So between $3,900 to $5,500 for a budget build, depending on whether you do the install. Honestly, I don't know what obsolete means though when talking about the B engines, it's not like they are bad performance for displacement/fuel consumption, or don't run on modern fuel or something weird. The B engine is a fantastic engine, it will never cease being a fantastic engine. You're talking a 100HP per liter with easily 35+ MPG and bullet proof reliability. Also, the B series transmissions are the VERY BEST transmissions Honda EVER made, PERIOD. Yes they have belt driven cams, and they use a distributor. However, you can move to coil on plug setup if you want, and belt drive certainly has it's pros, even compared to the K's chain drive. So honestly, other than wanting more displacement, I don't see anything "obsolete" about the engine. It's still one of the very highest HP per cube engines ever made, and one of the most reliable. Not sure about the whole "leaking thing" though. I have seen a number of B motors with over 200k miles that didn't leak a drop and were never rebuilt. The transmission on the other hand, I have seen those leak from time to time, but it's never been so bad that it became a concern, like you were going to run out of transmission fluid or something.
Google the fastest stock Chassis SFWD. It's a Civic, Running a B Series not a K series so I'm not quite sure where you're pulling the "Turbo a K and youll shit on a Turbo B"
Tyler OS stock motor for stock motor the two don't compare. A stock k series with a turbo kit will make 600 hp all day. You will never see a stock b series making that kind of power.
I bought a K20z1 to swap into my SI but decided to do a B18C instead, then decided to fully build the the B18, 12:5:1 comp, skunk2 pro2's, extensive porting, e85 etc etc, don't even care that it's not going to make as much as the K20 would of, sometimes you just have to keep it oldschool, and anyway i've noticed J series becoming more and more common, that'll be my next route
+[GR]Piney[CPT J32 is a beast in stock form! but many people just follow the bandwagon and go K series.....but K series bas more aftermarket parts so either one is fine 😎
I'm firm believer on the b series, but it's pretty obvious that the k's are far superior stock and especially modified. Lol, k motors are in an affordable range.. the pricey part is the trans and all the aftermarket stuff you need to actually put it in 😭
Jordan Nicot pretty much track guys street or drag guys are looking to put down the most power on the track you don’t need a lot of power it’s more about driver
I’m gonna be that guy, my teg with a b18b1 has just hit 200k kms. One small leak came from the cam cover seals other than that there hasn’t been a single leak and 0 rebuilds. People gotta treat their stuff better!
Interesting, while trying to design a motor with the magical 1.75 Rod stroke ratio my platform was leaning towards a Destroked b20 with a b16 or b17 crank. The hopes was to put it in a sub ton car and 10k rpm. What we lose in torque x (we made up in)rpm/5252=more ponies. So that's why we were looking for an 84mm bore
Devil Gene i mean it might be cheaper but theyre two completely different worlds. im sure boost wins over vtec. but i know exactly what your trying to figure out. boosted lsvtecs are deff popular
Middleton Films yea I feel it I've got a turbo for mine and 450cc injectors running an obd1 ecu tuned on crome and I'm pushing 250 horse on stock internals
MyLonewolf25 from the scrap yard. K24 from a honda element. They aren't that expensive. The only ones that are more expensive is the tsx, crv and si k24's.
If your trying to mock me or make fun of me then your just another idiot. My setup isn't in a gutted out civic. I see your a b-series fan, probably because you ain't smart enough or can afford anything better. Plus I spent half the money cause I fabricated my own turbo kit. Haters always gotta talk shit.
7 лет назад
Why is it surprising that he is at 340 boosted in a K24? 340 isn't shit for a K24. Hell I see K20's make more power boosted all day. K24 is a stronger and bigger engine that the B-series and the K20.. CRSX has a few K24 builds making 500+ boosted.
"starting with the pros of a B its a simple swap it just drops right in" unless your car is an ED/EF LOL 😂 alert pre 92 owners. jdm motor importers guarantee compression you got took.
Im glad to see some cementers have nostalgia for the B series. Ive had several and my latest project is a 95 civic with brand new from the dealer b18c5 engine & trans. For the amount of money im spending I could have easily gone K but it just seems wrong somehow. I know to a lot of people who only look at hp, my choice doesnt make sense. But I felt that I wanted to keep the car true to its originality (similar to some muscle car guys who would never put an ls1 in a classic camaro). Just wanted to offer my perspective on b vs K. Both are great motors. Maybe ill buy an rsx one day and experience the k.
I'm sticking with B series and non-vtec at that. I'm planning on building my DB7 this year because I spent the past two years building my VIP 2013 Honda Accord Sport. B18B1 Turbo with forged internals, that's the dream, just because fun daily.
Thank you, that shed some light on knowledge i needed. I was wondering what to put in my civic, and everyone where im at has been telling me go k series. Thank you.
@@legendztofar-- ill probably get both of them just to see. B series has been out for a while so id expect it to have a good aftermarket base for performance parts. Ill just see how time plays out. Thank you
@@EXecuteOBsessions I had decided to rebuild a GSR engine with type R internals making a B18C gsr/type r hybrid, extremely reliable and quite powerfull with the boltons.
If you're challenging your capability as a builder and squeezing every hp out of small displacement engine, go get a D-series or B-series. But if you want something that's not that dated and reliable out of the box, you can get a K24, upgrade the VTC gear, get a good header then remap the ECU and call it a day. And, hey it's 6-speed! Nowadays parts for Ds and Bs are getting quite expensive and hard to find, and that's just OEM.
Turn key K swap kit is around 4k, add the motor and trans your looking at 5.5k to K swap the car yourself with all new parts like swap radiator, rad hoses, mounts, intake etc. My next door neighbor has a K swapped 1995 Civic Ex I think, whatever one is the sedan, and says he got it done for around 3.5K including labor by a shop in Vegas. Not to mention VTEC academy did their budget K swap with a complete parts list on their website for like 3.6K. So it's definitely not as expensive as 10k even if you splurged and got a complete Type-S K24 or went Type-S K20 Head and K24 Block or full Type-S K20.
The B-series engines were manufactured during the golden era of Honda automobiles. I don't think they made many sacrifices when it came to engineering that family of motors. Having said that, the k series are serious performers. I've seen quite a few k motors with common issues though, like bad camshafts. Makes me wonder if Honda is pinching pennies these days. Say what you want about my b-series, but as long as I keep being able to overtake in traffic, I'll keep it around.
Now being 2018. If you live in a city like LA. You can find a salvage rsx type s for cheap. $500 to $3500 depends who you are bidding with. Buy the salvage rsx take the engine out and you got your self a k20a2. i got mine from craigslist. It was wreck from the back end and owner was willing to part out the engine/transmission, and axel for $1500. If your getting your swap done by someone else it could probably cost you another $1000 on labor fees. Of you know how to take apart engine by all means buy locally and rebuild. If your just a fan buy from a reputable source like HMO. As far as b vs k. If your new go b. Willing to take it to the next level go k.
a b series vtec normally fetches 1800 just for a block and head. a full swap is normally around 3500. a k series is about 600 for a block and head. I have a mechanic in town that has done way too many k swaps into civics and integras so the labor isn't to much more expensive than say a rebuild for a b series. it's really all about how cheap you can get an edu, harness, transmission, and intake/exhaust mani. the swap isn't really too much more than a b series build. but it is way more expensive than an old motor just swapped in that will probably leak or blow a head or burn valves or yadda yadda.
If your really wanting a high hp na motor swap you can get any j32-j35 for $150-$500 at any junkyard. And they are v-6 and vtec with stock 250hp and 260tq. K series are way over priced and underpowered for the price
Jesse Bury somebody else thinks like me. all the 20 year olds on my street laugh at me when I tell them about j35s. grab an accord for 1k then an 06 6 speed.
yeah, BUT the cost of mounting a v6 into a civic or integra that uses a transverse mounted 4 banger is a motherfucker. the cost of the work would far offset the price, and the availability and multitude of performance gear for the k-series would be the kicker for me personally... but then again i'm a civic kinda guy, i guess it's all in the context of the build and what you're willing to spend, and what you want out of your project.
no, i'm a biker and have only really been getting into hondas the past year and a half. i only need haasport mounts to stuff a k24 into my es1 sedan, for a k20 swap stock RSX mounts will do the trick, after a TON of homework i've never considered anything but a k-series for the 7th gen civic, as it will just drop in with minor mods, and using a stock(ish) swap will make it easier to service if anything goes when i'm out of town and not able to get to my garage (balance auto garage, google/youtube it they are THE honda specialists in my area and great guys to boot)
7 лет назад
Yeah we, over at CRSX have already tried J-series swaps in Civics and RSX's... They do not fit. And for the price to modify the bay and engine to fit, it isn't worth it. It is also a much bigger engine, and in car meant to carry a 4-banger, it will make the car much too front-heavy. Yeah, there are modifications you can make to make a J-series fit and work, but is it worth it? Not really. You are better off buying an Accord or a Honda/Acura meant to handle the weight and with an engine bay large enough to fit a V6.
havent gone over the numbers fully but I think its around 3000 and I did all the work myself besides tapping the oilpan and tuning. ( the flashpro kills you $700 0.0 )
I've ridden in several K swapped Integra's. A true RHD SIR-G with a k24/k20 hybrid with ITB's and a USDM ITR with a k20a swap. RIGHT AFTER I rode in the k20a swapped ITR I rode in another USDM ITR with a stock JDM ITR swap. I was literally having just as much fun in the ITR with the b18c.. I ended up swapping my 97 LS Integra for a 98 Spec JDM ITR b18c and I don't regret it one bit.. Yes it was expensive.. However I'm keeping the engine stock other than my bolt ons and my Hondata S300 V3 ECU to keep the reliability factored in. I personally prefer the OG B series honestly. I feel like if your concern is winning races and that's why you're building your car then yes go K for an N/A platform.. However if you don't give a shit.. As in you're not in it to prove yourself to everyone on the streets/dickwave everwhere and you literally just want to enjoy your car for YOU. Don't rule out a solid B series! They are a lot more fun than a lot of people give them credit for. You could grab a 96 Spec ITR for quite a bit less than the 98 especially if you just get the engine and you already have a b16 trans or something laying around. Don't just go with something because everyone is telling you to do it. I had my stock b18b1 for a period of 4+ years and everyone was telling me to go with a K swap but I'm very happy with my ITR swap! It's been running for around 1 1/2 years now and I love it. Plus B series look much better in an engine bay IMO ;) Cheers everyone!
Ross Tregemba Love the b series myself and i agree 100% k for serious racing but b18c is a solid platform for stock reliability while still putting out good POWAAA!😎
A fully built B series All motor will yield far more than 250whp on the proper tune/fuel lol let's be real. Bisimoto is building F22 Single Cam engines making upwards of 400whp. I've seen 230whp B series on a skunk2 head package on 91 octane lol. Also "K Series are Torquey". I don't know wtf Honda you are driving but I don't think I've ever driven a Honda and the first thing I've thought is "Torque" Whether you have a K24 bottom end/full engine or not, no Honda builds end up "torquey". They may make slightly more torque than B series, but by no means do they have a lot of torque. Not to mention, the Fastest Stock Chassis SFWD car runs a Gsr not a K series ;)
+Tyler OS Idk how i should respond to this lol so much going on.....but 250whp was a guesstimate. compared to "b-series" k series are torqueyer lol. And the speed factory civic is one car that has tons of $$ invested😃
Tyler OS 250 is a joke for a stock k series with Bolt ons and injectors with fuel. B series are pegged at 200 before building the block. K series makes substantially more torque then b series try 200wtq with drop in cams. How many stock short block b series are doing that ?
K is the way.....k24a4 with 76mm turbo...stock motor with injectors and race fuel 516hp 21lbs of boost...can't wait to see what the k24a2 puts down...😎
Super honest breakdown bro. I'm new to the Honda world with a 2001 rsx, I'm planning on making it my project, but I just learn of some crazy combination between k20 and k24. If you can guid me on how this combination works I'll really appreciate it.
damn bro ur behind honest truth b series is dying hard to make power, k series are cheap you can find long blocks for less than 800 full swap cost around 4k, and now I see alot people doing j series odyssey motor can hold alot power on stock internals
Actually you won’t have 10k to invest after buying the gsr for 2-3k then buying some nice motor mounts for 500, new water pump, oil pump, and misc. you’ll have a nice 6k to invest :D
Someone had mentioned the J swap already, but I have many benchmark times on several tracks that can prove the potential of the swap since I currently run a J32 Civic in Global Time Attack. It's an underestimated swap and it holds its own for the overall cost of the car. J32a2's run for $500 and will easily put down over 250hp at the wheels. This also makes them disposable should the motor die rather than rebuilding. Currently a street FWD car and will be at Road Atlanta and Buttonwillow 2017 for GTA. Good luck with your build! Hope to see you on track sometime. ;)
Woah! Just went crazy when I saw the name!! J-series is a great engine without a doubt! One day I will attempt to beat your time but i still have a LONG way to go...Thanks for the advice and commenting Cooper!
B series shouldn't even be compared to k series. It's like comparing d series to b series. Thy aren't even in the same ball park when you're talking about N/A or stock for stock turboed.
well it depends on what the comparison is between....in drag applications yes your right not even compariable, but the cost($) to power(hp) ratio plays a factor too.
Yeah thats true...d series is really bad tho unless turboed whereas b-series vtec engines are quick NA...same goes for b series non vtec (bad unless turboed)
Middleton Films I'm just die hard k series fan. There's nothing like an na k series. I made 250 hp on stock parts. There are very few motors where you can make the hp to cubic in that you can with a k.
What will 5k get for both b and k series with no machine work , b series it's gonna get you maybe 225hp (maybe) ,k series I'm gonna say every bit of 280-300hp with the right parts
I decided to be way different than most people would do and built a D16Z6 that came in my 95 Civic Coupe EX) All these years later after this video I mean I get why people go k-series and all that and I like the way B series looks under the hood it depends on what you want But me personally I decided to be way different I got a 95 Civic Coupe that I've had for well over 10 years that was an ex model came with the d16 z6 and I decided to be different most of the time people rip out the D series and if they do keep them they usually just turbo them I decided to be even different and build it all motor p29 high comp Pistons better rods bearings Ferrara flat face valves springs retainers stage 3 cam skunk2 intake manifold and throttle body bigger injectors bigger fuel pump Dyno tuned going e85 soon with a 4 inch velocity stack intake And I will tell you I have pissed off so many friends with bolt on B series and even lightly modded k-series they never believe they lose to a single cam let alone an all motor single cam until I pop the hood yes I can get more power out of a dual Cam and eventually I will one day when this motor gets tired but I rebuilt it and it's going to be a while from now plus when everything behind the front seats is gutted and it's got nothing but two racing seats a roll cage and harnesses it's a perfect little track car removed AC power steering the right way went to a manual rack and pinion cruise control etc bare Bones race car but crazy clean custom paint job on the outside I don't know I liked being the underdog I wanted to be different so I decided to build the motor it came with and honestly the look on people's faces when they find out it's a single cam is honestly more than worth the amount of work and money I put into it eventually maybe one day I'll go k-series but personally I think I might go be 18 C5 type R motor out of the Integra just because I think the series just look clean in the older chassis And if I want to drive something with even more power I got a very very rare 2004 Honda Accord V6 6-speed manual Coupe with the rare hfp Honda factory performance package they only made 500 and that full bolt on J series is more than enough fun for a daily driver
the engine is cheap but the fitting is complex and expensive for the price I'll pay for the fitting I will increase overall power of my b18c I prefer simplicity over complexity even if it means I will lose power since I'm looking to built an overall good car power isn't everything
it all comes down to money at the end...if you can afford to go K series then do it! they are definitely superior motors compared to B series setups..but if your on a budget go B series and put it ina light chassis and it will still be a competitive setup..
Lol, that photo of that k series was my nephews k20 in his db7. I wrote that i4 on the intake manifold. He did that swap at age 16-17 back in 2007. Lol nice
Middleton Films no, he had that car at our buddies shop for 9 months. The swap he got for around 1k. Only had around 3k after everything was said and done. he ended up trading it for a Phoenix yellow ITR. There's one video of it on ixeckoxi channel...but it's so poor quality lol
At pull a part you can snatch a k for super cheap .. it's all the other things you. Need to buy to make it work.... Very expensive .. problem with b series is they are getting old and most have a million miles of kids doing burnouts .. also B16 prices are shooting up like crazy because even the engine importers are slowing down the flow of them coming in so people are asking 3k and up for a freshened up b16. I think the least expensive and easy to find is a b20... Then find a VTEC head and bam ! You can get 200hp without spending a fortune .. honestly the best best is find a car already swapped.. maybe a crashed one or a project someone gave up on ... Having a parts car makes it so simple
B series since 1989. But seriously, if you want a working K platform, especially for 10 grand just buy an RSX and go from there, and I say that even with my love of the older bodystyles, I have a DA9 myself.
K series. You can do it your self. Its not hard. Its so easy. If you go k series dont buy it all at once peice the whole thing and go at your own rate. Took me 6months to finish my k series build(buying parts) took me 2 days to install and have running . Have done it all b series. B series turbo. H series. D series. F series. Have touched j series much but its in my near future. I spent about 5500 to 6000 give or take. You can always get used parts in good condition. I didnt daily the car thats what i have my si for.
K series. K24a8 makes 160ft lbs of torque (I-VTEC, not traditional VTEC where both intake and exhaust cam have VTEC lobe) more than a b18 type R. I could go on, but let's be realistic. K series is more convenient, reliable and respond very well to bolt on with a good tuner.
k swap got the Better engine for all motor easy power gain budget build consider salvaging oem parts here and there from other wrecked junk yard cars before doing any major machine work on the engine, but has a weak ass transmission. B series is good too, but needs more machining work and more supporting aftermarket parts just to get where Kswap is as in all motor, by then you mind as well go All out Boosting on the B series considering the cost when everything is taken apart. B series does have a better stock transmission to beat on the daily. But if just to have a swap that is better than a D series just to have fun for a little bit more torque and hp on a lighter chassis? B series would be the best platform. Because it is straight swap with minor adjustment and supporting aftermarket mods.
B series looks better and sound better imo. My DC2 Type R was 220bhp and only 890kg. Not many car could keep up, i'm not even going to mention the curvey roads haha. If I was to swap I would go K series though
Love my H22, But when it goes I will be switching to K. But only because in 5-10 years down the road it will just be more difficult to find shops/parts/motors etc.. that have more to offer w the B than the K or H for that matter.
H2B from nothing to complete swapped in EK. 3200. H motor 1K at most. H2B kit $400-600. B series trans $200-300 for LS, 400-600 for Gsr/b16. $200 for mounts. swap is near as easy as b series. make 200whp easily. made 203 stock block and head untuned.
Im old school and say keep the z6 or y8 throw in vitara pistons some good rods and a turbo kit for under 4k and make 340. Plus a new engine would only be 400 bucks. Miss my all motor d series
good points but honestly b series will be here for a loooong time. you do know they are still breaking records with b series engines? locash racing and jake blackman both have b series engines pumping out more than 1100hp. here in 5 years I'll be putting a b series together in a em1 civic to road race at the track with my son. they will always be cheap fun.
I've got a stock 2000 gsr, I've considered many things, but for me personally I will always have a b18 teg, it's a classic. I plan to turbo it, so I can have the grocery errand runner, but if I want to release the demons I will be able to.
B16a2 with bolt ons makes an easy reliable 180hp ! I honestly don't think it is a good idea to go turbo on stock internals. If you want boost low comp pistons and rods are a must ! Just go with you got and invest in track days !
how much would a B series swap into a 1989 civic sedan cost? more or less? for the time being its got a D12B1 engine and i'm looking to put something with a bit more power on a budget
It’s been 5 years I’m not into Hondas like that only some for looks so I have no idea what stock internals they have… but what about it guys ? Y’all stil using b series ?
