They were called 'Coal Tanks' because they were derived directly from the 0-6-0 'Seventeen Inch Coal Engines' -- which were very successful in hauling heavy goods trains. Unfortunately there was a design weakness in the tank engines' brake-gear which made them unsuitable for loose-coupled goods trains, so they were in fact usually seen on local passenger trains. As to the finish, LNWR shed crews were only allowed to use hot water to clean their locos, with a little oil for stubborn grime -- no chemicals or detergents at all -- so unpainted fittings and hand-rails were simply polished mild steel and brass. But boy were they polished! It's also interesting to note that Webb's smokeboxes were painted exactly the same as the boiler barrels; but the much greater heat of the smokeboxes inevitably meant that the varnish there tended to burn off, and give them a slightly different appearance. And despite one comment below, Francis Webb was never knighted. He is, though, considered one of the more successful British locomotive engineers, renowned mainly for simplicity of design and economy of construction.
This has probably already been answered, so sorry if I’m repeating stuff, but the coal tank is in preservation on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway, near where I live and is one of my favourite locos on the railway, it always looks so shiny 😄
I purchased one of these last year from Rails of Sheffield which was of the preserved example and it looks lovely. I can't wait to run it. I however have been on a train hauled by the real loco when it visited the Severn Valley Railway and the did a lovely double header with resident GWR 0-6-0 saddle tank loco 813 and they both looked great together.
In the 1950s the survivors were spread out in location. Small groups were in Wales (WR) 10 at Abergavenny {86K} with 6 at Swansea Victoria & Tredegar {87K}. A group of 7 were kept at (LMR) Edge Hill {8A}
You're right mate - I've been having trouble with the logbooks, but the scores will get corrected in future videos - thank you! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Perfect timing with this video! Finally managed to squeeze my break in 🙌🏻 (Work at the hospital - just been patient after patient today) - needed something good to watch whilst I eat haha 😁
Beautiful model Sam and it’s a model of the preserved example! It’s hard to understand why only one was preserved considering how many were built! Still, as long as one is preserved, we should all be happy! Also the owners hope to have its overhaul completed in time next year for the 100th anniversary of the merger of the LNWR and L&YR on January 1st!
I absolutely love my one in the LMS livery. It’s a great runner and absolutely beautiful. One of my favourite tank engines, I can’t put my finger on what it is about the design of it. Heartily recommend them, especially for the hot price 👍🏻
I have the BR version of this loco. It is a little jewel. I have had mine pulling about 15 wagons and a guards van. It does look so old fashioned, you have to love how charming it is.
It's a great looking loco in real life as well. It really suited the Severn Valley Railway when it came to visit. Another interesting loco similar to this is the Taff Vale Railway '01' 450 and '02' 85 tank engine's. They are very similar to the Webb Coal Tank engines and built in the same era but were only built in Wales to run on the Taff Vale Railway before the Great Western Railway purchased the railway and the Loco's.
Nice to see a trend towards stronger Bachmann mechs. Sam, it's well and good that you drive locos slowly over the expess points, but I'd like to see the locomotives perform through the express points, that is from the middle to outer and back again. This might showcase how well, or not, the pickups behave to lateral forces.
That is definitely a beautiful little loco! There's something about those pre-grouping tank engines I find really appealing! Excellent video as always! :)
Fair review. I have this one myself and even though its freight predominantly, it doesn't look too out of place behind the BR Crimson 6-wheelers from Hornby. I think its just the combination of black locos with red coaches; always works.
9:58 hey Sam I'm pretty sure those buffers are the diesel's and they are so big they are covering 1054's. You can see the rivets on the back of the buffer holding the bigger part on. As well it would make sense as they are centered to the diesel rather than being offset on 1054. Also if you take a look at the back of 1054 the buffers are the same size as the model's.
Have to say mate, I love mine. Got her for 70 quid all in with real coal posted by my mate who basically bought it and never ran it. Agree about the 3-pole and the flywheel debacle, but in truth I didn’t even notice (never had reason to open her up! 🤷🏻♂️). Runs like a dream smoothly and quietly. One that I shall happily dare leave to running outside while I nip inside for a cuppa 😂 Cheers fella 🍻
My 4 year old has one of these and it's taken a hammering and still looks great and runs brilliantly. Picked it up for £65 a year ago at a little model shop in blyth. BTW your score had it in 3rd not 4th the lms 10000 was only 6.45
Hi Sam Another Great video to enhance my lockdown. I get the AZ jab on Saturday. I am really beginning to like these small tank engines, they have a lot of character and are ideally suited to branch line and shunting layouts.
Whatever the intrigue is, this is a lovely kettle and also a survivor. Bought for £500 which by todays standards doesn’t sound very much but at the time of purchase, it was.
Hi Sam, thanks as usual for a splendid review. I bought one of them in the LNWR livery, after viewing your first review. I have been very happy with it and really appreciate Bachman producing an Era 2 locomotive in it’s original pre-grouping livery. I think the Victorian/Edwardian era locomotives are really splendid. I only wish the manufacturers always would produce engines in their pre-grouping liveries, if they had such liveries. The Hornby J15 is a perfect example. The engine dates from the 1880s and would look lovely in Great Eastern black and especially in Great Eastern Ultramarine Blue, lined in red. Greeting from beautiful East Texas. Stay safe and stay healthy.
Thanks so much John - great to hear you were happy with yours, they're great little models aren't they? More pre grouping would certainly be great, true! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Agreed with you overall. I've got the LMS version, and it is a decent engine at a nice price. I think the mecanism is good, but not exploited fully due to a substandard motor (3 poles and no flywheel). Put a 5 poles with flywheel in her, and you'll have a great puller. As is, she's decent, but the lack of good slow speed performance is a thorn in your side when you want to use her on branchline duties outside running from A to B (lots of shunting at every station if you run her on a pick-up train). I also agree with you on the plasticky parts, same in brass would have been great, and not added much more pounds to the pricetag. Other thing, I have received my Bachmann 94xx, the first batch from Gaugemaster with my GWR and my BR5 versions. With your video in mind, I took my magnifier and looked carefully to the areas where you had spotted botched finish on your own. Luckily, those were fine on my two first ones. Running test was also OK for the BR5, and is OK for the GWR (ongoing while I'm writing this now). Special mention to the firebox glow, impressive while running in a rooom with dimmed lights ! As you, outside the finish, I find that the 94xx are too speedy for shunting and banking engines. A more demultiplicated drivetrain with half the speed would have been fine. Seems you are a magneet for botched finished engines... Anyway, you are right to point that, because if you, as an expert, get an engine with a botched finish, the average John Smith can have the same kind of problem, anf that is not good for everyone. Keep on the good job done, it is always a pleasure to watch you. Cheers from France !
Thanks a lot for sharing Oliver, agreed, a new motor would do wonders really! Great to hear your 94xx was much better, even though they are a touch speedy! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well done Sam! A very unusual but beautiful locomotive. It's nice to see some more pre-grouping locomotives! I think it looks much narrower than other trains which might be why it looks different?
i am so glad Sam went back in time to look at some older ones. recently i am on wave of very old vehicles, you know the Fiat S76, Stephenson's Rocket, that ilk of vehicles (even tho nearly century apart they share certain glamour, nigh intoxicating love for mad ideas and speed. in car from 2000s onwards you never realy get to experience it even at its top speed but in car from 1900s you can fear for your life at walking speeds!) i wonder if someone is making 2-2-0 Planet or Le Belge or basicaly anything from around the rocket's era. Just wondering if my hopes to see full history of marvelous mad machines could ever come into play.
The Webb locomotives especially the Coal Tank were quite versatile especially running far west as the south wales valleys, so I just had to grab one when it was on sale at Rails of Sheffield
The design looks like it was copied to create the '01' 450 and '02' 85 Taff Vale Railway locomotives. It would be great to see models of those locomotives as well.
Always wanted of these but have yet to purchase one. I may still go for one as I think the issues you rightly mention, probably wouldn’t affect me enough for them to be a problem. Still watching but still playing catch up! Hope you’re well mate.
Very nice tank engine, with no nasty glue marks or any other bits of 'not the best' construction. And a reasonable price! Great review as always. Thank you Sam.
On my last comment on this video were I said I was building a Webb coal tank and you said make a video on it Well, thats my plan. Everything you review this year will be built (iv built all your reviews so far) and then showcase it at the end of the year :)
Balance/counter weights on the whe sets.....the weight should be in the same place on the front and rear driving wheels. It will be in a different place on the centre driving wheelset as this is the crank axle, so on the real thing, that is drive axle as it were, its axle connected via the valve gear to the pistons. The weight has to be in a different place as it is to counter balance the crank/big end in between the frames. Whereas the balance weights on the front and rear wheels are just there to counter balance the coupling rods. It is the same on most other steam locos, especially the inside cylinder/valve gear variety.
Very cool that you re-did that one. On top of that the one I ordered arrived the day that you released this video. I opened mine while watching it and looked at the details while you pointed them out. Keep up the good work. If I may make a suggestion, it would be nice to have reviews of old stuff also just for a change once in a while. You could take the time to compare it to a modern equivalent and have a different rating like you had before for them. There is value for new people to get the old stuff and with railroad stuff that re-release old models from time to time, the old hornby and triang stuff can be surprisingly relevent!
.........regarding buffers on this model, early locomotives had boiled ( very hard but springy) leather pads as the shock absorbing medium in buffers sometimes over wood. This might explain the wrinkled effect behind each buffer.
I think the theme of this running session is the tank locomotive. Although there are both passenger trains and goods trains running, nearly all the locomotives are tank locomotives.
@@SamsTrains Watching your channel is always good fun AND educational. It’s not everyone who can do a lot layout like yours!! Not everyone has the time or patience.
Hi Sam, I have the LMS version of this and it is DCC fitted. It performs better at slow speed than on DC. My only problem is with the trailing wheels which are prone to derailing occasionally in reverse as the axle is not precisely held but floats from side to side and has some radial movement up and down also. However, I agree that it s a really nice model. Keep up the good work!
That sounds great Mike, glad to know that they run better on DCC too! That's annoying about the rear axle - I've had that on other locos, but luckily not this one (yet!) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam! Every time I hear British modellers talking about LB&SCR E tanks, it just feels so wrong! As a JR East man, to me, E1 through E6 are high speed trains.... Not Thomas’s siblings! 😜😜 Anyway, it’s a nice little model from Bachmann, the mechanism may not be the best, but considering Bachmann’s track record with British steamers, I’d say it’s actually very good value!
@@SamsTrains Yes, in the 90’s JR East started designating newly designed trains with E prefixes. E1 - E7 Series are Shinkansen classes, with the new E8 Series coming in 2024. So for it’s really weird to me to hear a dinky little tank engine being called E1 (for example), when in my mind, that’s a gigantic 12-car double-deck high speed train! 🤣😜
An interesting one Sam, a wonderful model, however having seen the real thing in different guises in preservation, the white pipe work around the tanks and coal bunker just doesn't look good to me. Well done to Bachmann for producing this lovely loco, and to you Same for sharing it with us....Bob
Funny, I just bought the LMS version from TMC. Delivered today! FYI, the buffers are different (still not sprung!) As are the lamp irons. So you're probably right about it being prototypical. Cheers for another great review!
Ahh fantastic - thanks a lot for letting me know - pretty sure the LMS buffers would have been sprung, so thanks a lot for the info! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
hello sam personally i am really interested with the look of this loco and every time i see at a a train show i always think it looks interesting when running and i think it looks the best with plank wagons and for about £80 i think its worth the money and love the video from david
I thought you had reviewed this ages ago. My absolute favourite Bachmann loco. I have two, both with sound. I paid 80 quid for both of mine, they are on offer from time to time. On DCC, both are spectacular runners. The buffers are standard Webb buffers, the safety valve does not go through to the cab, this shows the as built version. I have a video of mine on my youtube channel.
Hi Sam, Nice review and the right conclusion. Not bad for a Bachmann. Seems robust and a good performer in the long run according some comments. Thanks & greetings.
I missed these when they first came out and i have had trouble finding one since, i was waiting for hattons or rails to get some in, didnt even think to look on TMC! I have just been straight over there and bought one for £78 which is a bargain! only 2 left in stock too! Thanks for the heads up!
I think the theme is pre-grouping Tank Engines, and the odd one out is that one Great Western tender engine out of focus in a siding! (Might be a Dean Goods, but I'm not sure.)
You're always going on about nice shiny polished handrails. You should own a Harley Davidson like I do then. Its just stainless or nickel silver wire. I very much doubt they polish the wire. I'm more curious what the real locos had. Stainless hadn't been invented back then I'm sure. Chrome plated steel bar; I doubt it. They would go rusty eventually and as a mechanical engineer, I know flaky chrome is bloody dangerous. We were warned as apprentices to never be cut by chrome (hard and razor sharp), as it causes chrome sores which take weeks or months to heal apparently. I would have thought a freight loco would have the handrails painted black ?
I remember when the original review came out! I do like that you're revisiting some older models, although I would suggest including something in the description or title noting that it's a revisit. Just my two cents. Greetings from the USA! -Lynne
Not so long ago on ebay, I found a much better bargain from HORNBY RAILWAYS as the HORNBY company was then known. I bought a little black 0-4-0 side tank engine minus his whistle valve for £27. I haven't tested him yet, although the name I've given him might make your short brown hair stand up on end. I've named him PHANTOM. If you are frightened, I invite you to scream in terror. The black tank engine is the same as your two 0-4-0 side tank engines, one red and one blue. I spotted three oddities: the Ivatt 2-6-2 tank engine near Toy Town, the Stanier 2-6-0 Mogul on the turntable, and the very first one I spied, because you gave the game away by showing her in my full view, the Great Western 2-6-0 Mogul. I wish you hadn't run that creepy N7 tank engine, please say I've got the engine's class correct. She gave me the chills, plus a shiver of fright chased itself down my spine.
Wow Kelly, that sounds like a bargain! But what a horrifying name you have chosen... you've caused me to destroy my keyboard in accidental anguish. What on earth possessed you to choose such a title? Or is that just it? Are you possessed?!? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam me and my friend tomas love your videos and were wondering if you could do a video for us helping getting started on stuff like Gordans hill because we’ve been wanting to start that, I understand you don’t have too much Bc I’ve been a fan for a few years but a tutorial video might do good!!! Big fan and keep the amazing work!! The G.O.A.T of model train videos
@@SamsTrains i think personally for me and my friend that we’d like to see some steps and ways and what not that you made the gordans hill and the scenery by the little yard, also I loved your video for beginners you made a couple years ago, helped me get started
Hi Sam I think about expanding my Fleet of Vintage buses at moment I have got 3 and I am thinking about expanding it to 6 but I don't know what type of bus it is between a single decker and a double decker which one do you think I should get
Hey Sam. Not about this video, but I have a question. All my modern Hornby steam locos have small couplings on them, most of my rolling stock has larger couplings, and when you shunt and connect the 2 only one of the hooks attaches. I can manually hook the second one on to the smaller one by bending it which doesn't feel right. What's the normal method here? Remove one of the hooks? Manually connect the second? Or just allow it to connect with the the one and leave the other wobbling about? Does that make sense?
Hey Matt - yeah generally you want to match like couplings for like.... obviously easier to correct it by hand, but a change in couplings will fix the problem most of the time" Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Santa brought me the LMS version last Christmas. Overall I am very pleased with it, but a bit disappointed with the slow speed running, especially over points. Above a certain speed it is wonderfully smooth and very quiet, but sadly it is not an ideal choice for a shunting layout. It looks great pulling a coal train though, so if you have circular layout I can recommend it.
Excellent review of Coal Tank Sam 👍👍 Now this is the one that I’m thinking to buy as I am planning to buy the Genesis coaches from Hatton’s to go with.
Hi sam ive Been behind the real on a few times at the KWVR but it’s recently been with taking out of service for its 10 year boiler maintenance and yes the bachmann buffers and similar to whats first to it
Correct me I’m wrong but I have not encountered any 00 gauge loco with a pick up fitted to the pony, where designed. I’m open to being informed otherwise.
Hiya Sam loving the channel and vids. Just catching up on some i haven't seen. I'm thinking the buffers were wooden on this originally. I've seen pictures of locos running up here in west Cumbria in the 1880s- 1900 with wooden buffers 👍 keep up the good work
I think that insert was done by the group that look after the loco as I recognised the names as I have worked with them up at Ingrow. Did you know that the real loco is owned by the national trust.
Awesome review Sam, for being an older model I think we can forgive some of the faults it has, that being said it did surprise me it does better than some of the modern Bachmann locos, i think bachmann need to up their game!
Do you know if it's normal for large locomotives like a flying scotsman to slow down around corners? Doesn't have a problem going round 3rd or 2nd radius curves just slows down a bit
That's a good spot William, thank you! I've been having a bit of trouble with the logbooks (they're much more complex this year, as there's now 4 of them). They're usually automated, but I'm having to make corrections manually until I can straighten them out... I've fixed that now, thank you! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I guess they based the model as they were as they were as new. Those buffers looks like those used back in the 1800.s.. I guess that goes along with some other details as lamposts too. On the preserved railroads, at times the engines tend to become cuter than they were in service to be more appealing to the general public but in 1800.s to the 1920.s enginws were kept in pretty clean conditions as the labour was cheap and plentyful. So that your model could be more accurate to the period than the real thing.
Question: Would you rather still have steam locomotives on the mainlines instead of electric. It may not be as fast but it’s about the beauty and enjoyment of the ride. I personally would want steam back instead of electric.
