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Bad EGR Cooler Leak Breaks Massey Engine! $$$ Expensive Repair

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With a bad EGR failure, it gets expensive quick!
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Here's how a bad EGR cooler leak on a Sisu engine turned into a massive engine job on a Massey Ferguson 4610.
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@dustinnickel5840 4 года назад

You never hear anybody talking about how much they love their emissions control components on their Diesel engine....

@52Ford 3 года назад

Or anything else. I think the only people that like to see catalytic converters on cars are the EPA and a thief with a cordless sawzall;

@alexsheppard8331 3 года назад

@@52Ford Do the right thing and get rid of the old cat.

@andrewsmart2949 3 года назад

off road app,remove all egr crap

@HANKTHEDANKEST 2 года назад

@@andrewsmart2949 Unless the machine is so "modern" that its computers pitch an immediate hissy-fit and the starter solenoid won't even engage. They make delete kits for some engines, but not all. Total crap.

@andrewsmart2949 2 года назад

@@HANKTHEDANKEST most can be reprogrammed without issue

@jellehesselink4011 4 года назад

I can confirm all 4600 series masseys were built on a Monday.

@TheDayadeepaksingh 4 года назад

All 4710s too

@adamkruskama8455 4 года назад

Thought the 4710s were good?

@TheDayadeepaksingh 4 года назад

@@adamkruskama8455 I did too. Issa trap

@adamkruskama8455 4 года назад

We just bought a 5711 because it wasn’t built in China and I was skeptic on a three cylinder diesel. So far so good but we only have had it for two months and 100 hrs.

@SqueakyTron 4 года назад

my dad bought a riding lawn mowing and a blade flew off on its maiden voyage.

@Error-5478 4 года назад

Stuff built Monday: doesnt work right, and hardly runs. Stuff built on Friday: dangerous, if it runs. Stuff built on Wednesday: probably the best of what you're gonna get.

@necrothescistt8164 4 года назад

What about stuff built on a Saturday or a Sunday?

@Error-5478 4 года назад

@@necrothescistt8164 run

@chadsimmons6347 3 года назад

You have to hire factory workers according to "diversity" not capability!

@Error-5478 3 года назад

@@chadsimmons6347 Everyone needs a job. Not everyone is very capable. And factory work requires little to no skill. Some people like me are blessed with being useless.

@slowride55 4 года назад

I unloaded a new Massey off the truck the other day and the fuel gauge read empty. They didn't hook up the sending unit wires.

@jakobbeckstead1624 4 года назад

I worked at a New Holland/Massey dealership up until a few months ago, we hardly sold any Massey's. Back when Massey started putting electronics on (autotronics/datatronics) there was lots of problems and left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I don't think Massey ever really recovered from that (that's my opinion). Also, I don't know if it's just the way our sales Dept ordered the tractors or what but we never put loaders on anything, they were installed when they arrived. I did have an instance where a transmission housing broke due to loose loader bolts so yeah most Massey's are built on Mondays

@Mopars_41 4 года назад

I've always loved Massey Harris/Massey Ferguson tractors and combines. My grandpa bought a massey Ferguson dealership in 1967, and had in until 81. Those in my opinion were the glory days of Massey's. Fun fact, we didn't do hardly any warranty work until the 2000 series came out. But after the dealership we became a Combine salvage yard, had about as many massey as we did JD, Gleaner, and IH, but we only had the 300, 410, 510, 540, 550, 750, 760, 850, 860 combines, then in 1987 we became a Tractor salvage yard at another store, had a lot of massey there too, newest we had was a massey Ferguson 8150, which was also one of our best salvage tractors. As for collectible tractors, grandpa had a Massey Ferguson 165 High crop (the only one left in the world), Massey Harris 202 serial number 1, Massey Harris 4X4, Massey Harris 555, massey Ferguson 135 vineyard, just to name a few. Sadly he passed away a month ago, and we have to get rid of a lot of his stuff, we also closed the businesses last year. But I still do love Massey tractors, and combines.

@antoniobenacchio9432 4 года назад

Saw an engine with an egr that went, operator saw a low coolant warning and was told to finish their shift, pulled the head and the #1 cylinder was 1 cm Lower then #6 at TDC! When we tore into it further and found the #1 con rod was actually compressed.

@DGHD 4 года назад

Hydraulics is a funny thing sometimes.

@theheavywrench9549 4 года назад

Big cause of Egr cooler failure, is getting air trapped in the cooler. causing a hot spot and forming a crack. That’s just what I have found out. Usually has had a previous low coolant issue before the cooler fails.

@sHoRtBuSseR 4 года назад

Observed the same in my area. I work in a Cummins dealer. Pretty common if it's ran low on coolant.

@theheavywrench9549 4 года назад

Dylan Houser ya we see it on most of the equipment I see. I think it’s a problem across all engine manufacturers. Komatsu / Cummins use to have that screw on top of the intake to bleed out the air. Which was awesome.

@MrShakotan 4 года назад

Egr coolers have been the cause of many cooked engines and warped heads on onroad pickups for years.

@PatrickBaptist 3 года назад

Yup and I refuse to own one.

@alouisschafer7212 3 года назад

The first thing id do is deactivate my EGR

@crazyfarmerbro1136 4 года назад

These are the new tractors no longer built by Massey-Ferguson but by agco as a cheaper alternative to their fendt line so not as much focus on quality as the old English built tractors

@MrZimmaframe 4 года назад

Crazy Farmer Bro Still got my Massey Ferguson 35 that my Grandad bought in 1955, that got handed down to my dad and now me.

@WBOS72 4 года назад

I agree, the Coventry built tractors are excellent. I wont touch a Fendt with a 10’ pole, agco is focusing too much on fendt, not on tbeir heritage.

@WBOS72 4 года назад

The 4700 series is built in China - no thanks.

@smundurornmatthiasson7319 4 года назад

True newer masseys have been unreliable here were i live and the company that sells them here went bankrupt but i love the fendts we have a 2014 716 fendt with 16k hours and no problems ive always been pleased with fendts through out the years

@rgj5832 4 года назад

Really sad John Deere has there issues of course but I love mine still built in the USA of course nothing is like it use to be but I do the best I can!

@Mauser304 4 года назад

I keep hearing this kind of thing about Massey. I looked at them two years ago when I purchased the last tractor. I walked away shaking my head. They were by far the lightest build of those I looked at.

@jeffrey717 4 года назад

Damn. I never realized that egr cooler could bend a rod...then again, no egr will be found on my equipment!

@fastinradfordable 4 года назад

Maninthebox On a diesel it only takes about a tablespoon of fluid per cylinder to bend a rod

@bobbybeyer2127 4 года назад

Nathan Brame yeah the comp ratios on diesels mean they’re even less tolerant of water that a gasser

@jeffrey717 4 года назад

Actually that depends on the piston design and size of engine. I've seen Cummins, Detroit, and volvos just smoke white as if a head gasket but it's a cooler. Change out and down the road you go.

@corystevens7426 4 года назад

I have seen a Cummins ISX 871 kick #5 rod out of the block because of the egr cooler failure. Most of the time it will just Hydro lock

@hedydd2 4 года назад

Until very recently MF/Sisu engines used internal EGR, enabled purely by valve timing overlap, rather than the more complex external cooled EGR. Fairly sure that in Europe they only started using external managed EGR when they also introduced SCR [DEF] on the engines. Could be wrong, as things have been changing so rapidly in this regard in recent years.

@sandyman1348 4 года назад

I work as a Massey tech for the last couple years at a small dealership. The bolts loose is not a surprise, we have had to warranty anything from rims to loader bolts on their compact/subcompact tractors, causing us to have to check half a dozen different places and re'torque bolts before a tractor goes. We don't install loaders at our dealer, as far as i know most don't, when we order the tractor it comes pre-installed. We haven't had this specific issue on any of our 4600s, but water pumps have been decently common, and we have done 2 starters. An annoying thing about the 4600s is that when you pull the hydraulic filters (there are 2 and are big) the tractor dumps oil on the ground, about 5 gallons if you are really fast per filter. Its to the point where we will drain all the hydraulic oil when we do just a filter change just to avoid a mess.

@user-dm7bl5uj4g Месяц назад

Il y a toujours eu les mêmes problèmes chez les cousines de ces tracteurs.... Land/Range Rover.. j'ai fait leur service.............. un calvaire

@CubCadetMan71 4 года назад

I worked at a Kubota dealer for a while. Customer dropped off a kubota about the same size As this Massey. He had bought it at an auction. It was an ex construction company tractor and it had been rode hard. The loader mounts went under the tractor by the trans and they were all missing bolts. I’m not sure how that managed to happen. Tractor ran and drove good but the front diff was shot and the tractor looked like it had been used during a tornado. We had to replace the front diff gears and drop the front axle. They were chipped to pieces. It’s amazing what people will ignore on these machines. It had been ran with a loose loader for a while

@jeepanimal2943 4 года назад

Just like you said, the older ones, the 1100 series, the 275's even the 165 or 135's, seem more fool proof, and simpler. AND, a lot of them are still running!

@dieselman8v923 4 года назад

I've done a few egr coolers on these tractors. Luckily it was before it caused internal damage. They got lucky. Edit: Also want to add that Massey has a 6 year emission warranty.

@chickenfishhybrid44 4 года назад

Does it transfer or is it only to the original owner?

@DGHD 4 года назад

@@chickenfishhybrid44 non transferable and they were the second owners

@ShawnCFarm 4 года назад

What about the 2607h 74 horse? I have a 2019

@ShawnCFarm 4 года назад

@AL CAPPS so I should be good then. I heard it was a copy of a Perkins

@dieselman8v923 4 года назад

@@ShawnCFarm Simpson has been good so far by its self but have has some emission issues with them if people don't work them hard.

@keliikoamiller8173 4 года назад

11:53 my boss did that too me multiple times when I first started, lol.

@tomschevette 4 года назад

This happened to a diesel van I had the egr cooler just gave up at 70mph low coolent light low oil light a rod right though the block. When I stripped the engine 3 cylinders full of water other one was now living outside the block 😂

@austingoss1 4 года назад

Sounds like when overflow tank busted they ran it low then they filled it back up and a gas pocket made its way to the egr cooler and cracked it when tractor made its way to operating temp......seen it quite a few times

@imatt6566 4 года назад

Sharing information that could save tons of people thousands!! I don't own any of these machines, yet seeing the repairs and failure logic will help me on other applications. Thanks for sharing!!

@gmjunky87 4 года назад

I remember driving an 07 (I think ) Volvo with a Cummins. Every once in awhile I'd notice it stumble and puff white smoke . Damn egr cooler!!

@HANKTHEDANKEST 2 года назад

Had a boss with a PSD 6.0 in a delivery van once--that engine also had EGR issues. Suffice to say, I got a lot of unexpected vacation days because of that engine.

@johnparrish9215 4 года назад

I dot terminally pissed off with my egr cooler the first time it went out and I saw how much damage it could do. I deleted the factory water cooled one and made an air cooled one, looks like a tiny intercooler, I even put a fan on it. Now if this one breaks it will not take the engine with it.

@matthewgray3375 4 года назад

Sounds interesting!

@jimtekkit 4 года назад

Compared to older air-cooled diesels, which a) had no coolant to leak, and b) no EGR cooler for the coolant to leak through lol

@martinziefle1647 4 года назад

Doing the same on my car at the moment. It has received a new engine, then blown the egr cooler one the first drive and was parked since then. Now i have to deal with rust in one cylinder on an enigine with less then 100 miles. Before i started it after sitting so long turned it over by hand, then cranked it without injection, so it neer hydrolocked and it ran perfect at least when ther was no coolent in the systeme. I will pull the piston, run a hone trough the cylinder an hope for the best.

@WIDESIDE72 4 года назад

Woulda been interesting to compare the length of old rods and new rods. I will stick to my 1967 MF 2200 with a Perkins. Granted i dont have to make a living with it.

@mikefunk2841 4 года назад

Yes I’ve heard nothing good about those newer Massey tractors from farmers that have them in my area too.

@roadrash90 3 года назад

Sad too see what Massey and all the other tractor manufacturers have become. My grandad still has his Massey 135 that he bought brand new and the biggest thing he ever had to get done with it was a new fitted cab with better insulation and an ac system (this is his everyday vehicle since mid too late 90s lol)

@brianburdine4620 3 года назад

Seen multiple failed EGR coolers, only a couple causing the engine to lock up. I always thought the hydro-locking due to a cracked EGR cooler causes the exhaust gas/coolant mixture to be brought through the intake side of the engine once the EGR valve opens. Not going through the exhaust valve into the cylinder. Especially being that most EGR coolers are mounted under the exhaust manifold.

@MrZimmaframe Год назад

We have a 4711 and can confirm the bolts a loose on them. The drive shaft shroud bolts fell out while mowing and the shroud was digging into the ground lol like a mini blow 😂. A few other bolts here and there too. Check the door bolts 🔩 too..

4 года назад

11:54 Now that's some bollocksology right there.

@aarondyer2161 4 года назад

The 4600 series all have this egr cooler issue, not terribly common but it does happen, the biggest issue with the 4610 specifically is the front cover of the transmission failing causing rough engagement of the power shuttle. And yes built by izeki not massey Furgesson.

@jonathanvanginkel3849 4 года назад

We had almost the exact same problem with our deutz 615m , we checked everything and cleaned it all , new head gaskets get delete and she runs mint

@OneShot_G 2 года назад

Nice touch tapping on the rim when he fired it up that'll spike the blood pressure.

@chickenfishhybrid44 4 года назад

Would have been cool to see the measurements with the new rods to see how bent they really were.. if at all. Lol

@matthewdupuis232 4 года назад

Yup.

@Cragified 4 года назад

The milkshake had been through the bearings anyway. So in his mind as would be my mind you replace them anyway just in case because you are already there and no real reason to do the measurements again.

@chickenfishhybrid44 4 года назад

@@Cragified huh? Yeah you would replace the bearings no matter what and I'm not really insulting his decision to replace the rods since he's already there... I'm just saying it would be a nice thing to know or see if the rods were actually bent, just because. Or as a data point for later to know how likely it is that rods get bent after an episode like that. It's not a hard or time consuming measurement to take... wouldn't surprise me if he did it and just didn't share it with us.. Because if the measurements were the same or close and show that the rods might not have been bent than that might not look great after spending all the time and money.. lol

@Cragified 4 года назад

"Because if the measurements were the same or close and show that the rods might not have been bent than that might not look great after spending all the time and money.. lol" The time and money was already spent. The head was off, the caps have been removed to look at the bearings. Taking the pistons out and swapping the rods is a few minutes time. So other then cost it is already done, and since MF wouldn't give him a spec it had to be done to warranty the job. So no point messing around with dial indicators for a quarter hour. The fact was that one rod wasn't true to the others so one had to be changed. At that point without a spec it didn't matter if the other two were true to spec or not so you change those as well given that there was water in all the cylinders. From a curiosity perspective it would be interesting to know if all got bent or not. But in terms of costs and time finding out would only add more labor to the customer or be waste labor for the shop operator.

@chickenfishhybrid44 4 года назад

@@Cragified I never said replacing the rods was a bad idea. Don't understand why you felt the need to beat that to death. Still stand by seeing the numbers even just for shits would have been nice. Would be good for someone in a similar situation to maybe have as at least a reference for their tractor. Why would he charge the customer to take the measurement? You're acting like it would take hours to check.

@brendanbattlefield1265 4 года назад

Was a stacker driver for a sizable hay farm with big square bales, had a Demo Massey, dont remember what size it was, but within a week the brakes were all screwed up, you would get nothing,nothing, nothing, then lock them up. And when you have 6 big bales on the back it would tend to rip the chip seal off the road

@mesh1248 4 года назад

Pretty sure all the new massys are built on a monday from my experiences if ya want one not built on a monday you buy a fendt

@Sbanar 4 года назад

The bigger ones are fine

@hedydd2 4 года назад

I wonder whether this is a Chinese built tractor? Seriously. They manufacture the three cylinder engine and the Global Series tractors there, and Cararro have a front axle factory out there to supply the MF factory also. For Europe at least, the Global Series is sent over to France to have a French built cab installed, but the whole transaxle is Chinese. Cerainly the mechanical drive versions but not sure about Dyna4 models.

@Sbanar 4 года назад

@@hedydd2 probably, looks worlds apart from a "real" massey

@hedydd2 4 года назад

@@Sbanar There's no such thing as a 'real Massey' of course. The 35 was very different to the TE20 Grey Fergie. The 65 very different again. The 2000 series a radical redesign as were the 3000 series which were as groundbreaking in terms of electronic automation as the original Ferguson was to implement control. I suspect that what you consider to be a 'real' Massey depends very much on your age and what you were brought up with. MF have always been a global corporation with models built in many countries and they also license older designs to other countries to be sold as both MF and whatever the local brand wants to be called. For instance the old 35 and 240 models that used to be built in Coventry are still made and sold as TAFE and MF. MF in Asia and TAFE when exported to the UK.

@Sbanar 4 года назад

@@hedydd2 i meant a 7618 or something. Really anything other than this small modern shite

@Parents_of_Twins 4 года назад

Some of the new tractors have more sensors and tech on them then new cars. I have always been a Massey Ferguson fan as well but they aren't existed really since 1994 when they were purchased by AGCO who also own White, Fendt, Challenger, and Valtra. Case IH is owned now by CNH who also owns New Holland, and who used to own Versatile. I kind of miss the days of each brand being owned by the name that was on the damn tractor versus some multi billion dollar corporation, I know pure craziness.

@delprice3007 4 года назад

You make this look so easy---great video!

@mikejburns 4 года назад

Your customer could do the same with a used DB990. I still use mine (free tractor with the farm I bought). I did tear it apart and rebuild it. My new 3cyl JD (5075) has given me no issues, but I do prefer to run the old David Brown when I can.

@disturbedcarrot 4 года назад

David Browns are awesome, especially the smaller ones, 1210s upwards only ok. And extremely light on diesel too compared to a Ford.

@psygn0sis 4 года назад

Surprised you didn't measure the new rods once they were in... you know, for the next guy watching this video. (Or you did, and found they were close to the originals) : P

@jbrizz99 4 года назад

I wanted to see the old bent rods too ;)

@tyorkshireman5678 4 года назад

ive done a few ERG coolers but on JCB load all there built in to the radiator pack so have to replace the full lot

@johnseifert7785 4 года назад

We had a 4610 that went through 3 of them in 1800 hrs.....I won't tell on you if you deleted the egr cooler when the camera was off ;).

@petepeeff5807 4 года назад

Love this content. I won't see this new stuff in my shop for years if ever. Nice to see what is out there though.

@DGHD 4 года назад

Yeah, the older stuff is holding its value great because of stuff like this.

@HotForgeChaos 4 года назад

@@DGHD I looked up an old 5.9 Maxxum 110 the other day and it was going to cost me about $36k NZD for one, yet a 2013 4cyl Iveco? Maxxum 110 is about $70k. I know what one is going to last longer

@matthewgray3375 4 года назад

@@HotForgeChaos we have a McCormick mtx125 which was a Perkins variant of the mx110 out of the same factory after cih sold it to Argo, even the Perkins engined versions went well, the rule of thumb with buying a mtx, is only buy a 4spd PS one, and Red chassis were English

@David-xl8zf 4 года назад

Seems like AGCO is open on mondays only... At least the Fendts/Challengers are running halfway decent. Although I had to clean three exploded hydro oil spills off the street last year.

@actorzone856 4 года назад

John Deere powertech engine have similar EGR cooler that will leak, my tractor had stick go into radiator so overheated, then I rebuilt engine, lucky I found EGR cooler leaking before putting oil in engine, not fun seeing coolant running out of sump plug, $1500 for new cooler.

@mikeobrien3744 4 года назад

Built on a Monday is a real thing. (same as Friday.) I have a Tuesday Plymouth, tight and right from day one.

@joachimsingh2929 2 года назад

What was the sleve to piston measurement after you put new pistons on? You got 27 and 28 and one over 30 before the change

@ryankovaly3927 4 года назад

Good ol liner protrusion ... paccar has taught me well .. a regular occurrence lol

@blakeb1992 4 года назад

Thats a bummer. How many hours?

@SteelBlueCorvette 4 года назад

Our modern large class 8 engines are dependent on the coolant reservoir to protect against cavitation but it is an integrated part of the system and is pressurized. I would imagine this little engine is similar. Break the reservoir and even if it stays cool on the gauge could be boiling water in the cooler and warping it / cracking it. Our stuff does have a pressure sensor in the EGR system and low coolant shutdown.

@workingcountry1776 4 года назад

Imlearned how to drive in a brand new 1998 Massy Ferguson 4243 with mfwd and full cab. Nice little Perkins turbo on it and a quickie brand loader wed put on sometimes for bucket or fork lift work. Its 22 years old now and last I knew they were still using it for field and utility work. Shame they arent as good these days. That lil 4243 was no 200hp cummins but it was nice to use

@melias67 4 года назад

Never have I ever worked on a tractor, only cars, but I have to say these agricultural videos are really intersting!

@billprigge7747 4 года назад

Pretty sure the 4600 series are the cheapest built tractors I’ve ever worked on. If it wasn’t the egr coolers ruining engines it was the breaks dragging or the input shaft for the trans twisting off. And they all had loose or missing loader frame bolts

@TATEXPRESSINC 4 года назад

Keep up to great work on the videos

@freeride202 4 года назад

Love the video, I just have two items to bring up. First, the initial loss of coolant could have led to the EGR cooler failing. Many newer diesels require special procedures for filling the coolant system. If an air pocket was left in the EGR cooler, the cooler itself will over heat and crack in this location. This was common in early 6.7L Cummins. Also, the turbocharger may fail in the future if it was not replaced. The coolant does a number on the journal bearings. Even if it felt find at the time of the repair, the turbocharger will have a shortened life.

@DGHD 4 года назад

Thanks for that!

@mattcanfield6384 4 года назад

Sad these modern tractors will never be (grandpa's) 8n or Farmall or 70 year old whatever tractor they will be garbage scrapyard material in 20 or less years as Soon as the emmisions kill it and the repairs are more than the tractor is worth sad but true, so keep that old iron running

@farwest571 4 года назад

Can you still run a farm with an 8n or 70 year old tracker and be profitable? I dont thinks so...I have this same argument with my family...this is the future of farming as I see it...my grandpa would not buy a machine without a clutch until my dad went and got one without him knowing...the last generation dose not like anything the next generation will use...sure they made things to last in the old days...but where not in the old days anymore...if your in line to inherit the farm or ranch...do not be afraid of this new technology...learn how it works and how to properly maintain it...because the stuff there going to come out with in the years to come I'm sure will be much more complex and challenging...good luck

@farwest571 4 года назад

@Wikkitt Klown you said it with the lease...you have very good points...I dont know who the walkers are but I'm glad that there able to make it work with the older machines....I feel the same about buying a new peice of equipment...no way...for the past 5 years we've leased all our harvest equipment....regular maintenance and if anything major fails its warranty...luckily our local dealer is USUALLY on sight fast...but I could see how this could be a problem...we've purchased insight for John deere and can do most diagnostic tests and miner code clearing to get us through till the dealer shows up...I just want us to be ready and at least have a clue as to how these machines work and operate...agin this stuff is not going away and is only going to get worse

@KR-hg8be 4 года назад

@Wikkitt Klown the welkers are running restored, fairly heavily modified tractors with stuff like gps self driving equpiment added on to make them as efficient as possible.. And then they have problems with nla parts for stuff like the twin disk trans they reused in those old big buds. I think the fact that big buds were built useing engines from semis is what makes it possible to keep them going. You'll also notice how they get all exited when they demo new stuff like that patriot sprayer, huge new ih combines or the quadtrac because it gets the job done so much faster than the brute or buds do.

@Porty1119 3 года назад

@@farwest571 At least in mining, you can run 70-year-old rail equipment and be profitable. All of our rubber-tire is 30-50 years old as well, new enough to have some safety features but no computer chips.

@ShawnCFarm 4 года назад

I was told when I bought my 2019 2607h 74 horse that it is bumper to bumper for five years

@DGHD 4 года назад

what they don't tell you is that its not transferable between new owners. When you buy it used, that piece of paper gets ripped in half

@ShawnCFarm 4 года назад

@@DGHD Thats ok as I bought it brand new for 42,000 no tax as it was over 60 horse. Its got almost 70 hours on it now and they came and picked it up and replaced two sensors at no charge. just cost me for the oil change. I think one of the sensors had some thing to do with the EGR

@Don-lo9di 4 года назад

egr coolers have cost a lot of money in reairs .

@TempestZeta 4 года назад

Love these farm videos!

@rswany16 3 года назад

Can confirm that 7622 Massey Fergusons were made on Mondays as well.

@Skusty 4 года назад

Is there any service required after the first hours of use where the dealer checks bolts and such? I know that a lot of trailer manufacteurs in Europe require a checkup after the first month of use if you want to keep your warranty.

@bkretschmann90 4 года назад

I was literally just messing with a Detroit series 60 gen 1 egr cooler and if I didnt make up something that worked, the swap to the new egr system was $3000.

@charlieritchel1492 4 года назад

Glad to see another video!!

@MinusTheSparkPlugs 4 года назад

If you don't have pressure in the cooling system especially under load it will cause localized boiling in the egr cooler causing hot spots leading to internal warping/cracking of the cooler even if it's not getting hot otherwise

@AntonioClaudioMichael 4 года назад

Great video Deboss

@SteveRivett 4 года назад

Where is the massive engine? The EGR should have been mounted lower so that it drips out the exhaust instead of into the head.

@jimboles967 3 года назад

They wouldn't sell any replacement parts that way

@KnightsWithoutATable 4 года назад

Nope, built on the last shift of a Friday right before a holiday weekend or week long shutdown. Also, EGR does have other benefits besides just emissions. Cooling the EGR gas is mostly emissions though. It would be nice if a simple part like that didn't trash the whole engine though. Some QC on parts supply is in order.

@brownwrench 4 года назад

The cooler is usually the prime suspect with modern diesels when you have coolant in the oil or disappearing coolant.

@gagecoduto7070 4 года назад

That engine still has cross hatching in the cylinders too, how many hours were on it?

@gregvill9068 2 года назад

HEY you gotta get kitty to say more than one meow.its only fair.

@rjl2210 4 года назад

As far as i know most of the yractor assembly is done by agco not the dealer at least thats the way our dealership works all out smaller tractors 4600 and 4700 series come with the loaders and tractors fully assembled all we do it a basic pdi to check fluids and some hardware but things like the loader and engine are put together at the assembly plant or the assembly center before dealer delivery

@matthewgray3375 4 года назад

The weird part is that's more iseki, I have a friend with one and he likes it, but I do understand they were not popular, and they appeared to fill a gap in there line up, the Chinese assembled 47,57,67 series seem to go well here, they sell so well in USA they have opened a factory there too, they utilise a trans from the French factory, sisu motors (valtra origin)

@gethinjones1348 4 года назад

Beggers belief that these modern engines can't hack it. Compare this engine to my 1954 Standard 4 cylinder in my Grey Fergie Diesel and there's always going to be one winner in my opinion.

@blindtomsadventures2067 2 года назад

I know you have to tear down anyways to clean it but you can pressurize the coolant system and find a leak that way

@zackzander425 4 года назад

Years ago everyone made a pretty good tractor. These days I’d only consider John Deere, Kubota and Yanmar. However, only John Deere for larger tractors 50hp and over.

@jonathanbecerra1765 4 года назад

Egr coolers leaking can be caught early if you do oil sample tests and send them to the lab. There should be a coolant pressure sensor to detect exessive pressure from a bad egr cooler, air compresor or failed head. It could even tell you the rad. cap is failed or if it loses pressure all at once it means a hose blew and you dont have to wait for it to start overheating to find out. Reusing piston rings, ID like to Hear more about that

@robertanderson3282 4 года назад

Iveco do exactly that, problem is coolant leaks through the sensor into the wiring and fries the ecu......

@curtisoberholtzer4033 4 года назад

We have a 5610 which i believe has the same engine and its egr coolant line started leaking. Like Rich says the old tractors with the Perkins are great we still have some around but these newer ones.....i dont think we will be buying another one.

@WatchWesWork 4 года назад

I don't think there's any Massey in a new Massey. It's all just the same AGCO crap with a different paint job. I still don't understand why they can't make an air cooled EGR cooler. Seems like it would be much safer and simpler.

@DarrensTruckzs 4 года назад

So did you end up deleting the egr or replace with new one ? How many hours were on this tractor

@kw9849 4 года назад

He probably doesn't want to advertise removing emissions gear, there could be some legal consequences for admitting it.

@DarrensTruckzs 4 года назад

E F ya I was thinking same after I posted lol

@alexandermckay8594 4 года назад

AGCO strikes again! Probably Brazilian made. I'm surprised the head didn't grenade!

@rgj5832 4 года назад

Yeah sadly AGCO has ruined several good brands I had to go to John Deere to get made in USA or at least mostly made here,

@jrm88382 4 года назад

Wow another emission's componant causing thousands of dollars of damage to a diesel engine thanks again epa......

@chasp_0784 4 года назад

Would have liked to see the piston protrusions after the rods went in

@gumelini1 3 года назад

Same thing happened to our new JCB 4cx

@Deboy-qx7kf 4 года назад

Wow we have this jcb 3cx that has been giving this egr warning for like a year. It appears anytime the machine reaches a certain temperature.

@f-j-Services 4 года назад

You need a large IH with the 400 series engine man. lol. Indestructable.

@matttucker5786 4 года назад

Hello egr delete

@Jim0i0 4 года назад

I've got a Massey 4608 (detuned 4610). Really hope I don't run into this problem.

@boowiebear 4 года назад

I am curious what these repairs cost. Would love to know a range at least. Like $3-5k. Around $5k etc. Thoughts DEBOSS?

@mikefedele4521 4 года назад

Diesel and emissions are like a very evil ying yang trying to ripp it's self apart...

@jimboles967 3 года назад

We have a Massey 1759, 1200hrs we have had exhaust plugged, something came apart inside the transmission, split the housing, we have lost the use of this tractor every year when we need it for the contract we bought it for, good thing we have friends with tractors we can borrow or rent, looking for something better but I think there like pickups now there all bad.

@allahsnackbar9915 4 года назад

thats why egr must be taken off as soon as you pick something up from the dealer. ive seen so many engines get fucked by the egr, i always take it off when buying something new.

@phillipribeiro1356 4 года назад

That 4610 has been split probably 4 times during warranty to try and solve that aggressive power shift issue..the days of affordable well built french Massey's is long gone