Hello, I have a similar set, BBSHD and 52V, 17.5Ah, in a trekking bike - stiff, with a derailleur in the Alfine 11 hub. I have crossed 13,000 km in 3 years. (it's over 8,000 miles). I also ride this bike on asphalt in the mountains. Often beyond panniers - I weigh over 100 kg myself. Range in the mountains up to 60 -70 km after a flat 95 km. Oil in hub I try to change every max. 2000 km. Before each oil change, I rinse the hub with the same oil - I replaced the original oil with 'very good' mineral oil receded to hyplyid transfers. I don't use a constant grease. I use the main gear ratios 40/22 and a 9 -row chain. Because I have vertical hooks, I use a chain tensioner - from a good classic SLX derailleur with limited movement - adjustable screws. All other tensioners did not pass the exam - and the patent with a derailleur is already working 8000 km without complaint. Both the engine and the Alfine 11 have been operating without any accusation. The engine during this time I greased with good solid grease - lithium twice. This is a very good and durable engine. (Poland, Warsaw)
I'm over 5,000 miles on mine and have only had to replace a $15 dollar freewheel clutch that took 15 minute's. Love and highly recommend this motor! Thanks for the video!
@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 Yea one of three paws broke at the tip! I learned I most likely packed it with to much grease effecting the rebound speed of the paws. Kudo's for 2000 miles in a month and yea I would have one of these in the spare part's bin!
@@benjameng9475 cheers for the response, yeah I'll order one straight away. I do notice on occasion the clutch doesn't lock and slips. I've not opened up the unit yet or put any aftermarket grease inside it. I use the BBS02 for my job in food delivery. Can do upto 80 miles in a day
@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 That's an awesome testimony for the BBS02. I always wondered why delivery people gravitate towards hubs, that they then have to walk up any big hills. If you're racking up miles that quick you need spare drive-train parts, eventually. Might not be a bad idea to open up the motor, grease it and check if you need to look at spare parts for the motor too.
@@michaelsprinzeles4022 I actually ordered a spare motor without screen yesterday, either for parts or for quick swap out if current motor decides to die on me. My co-worker had a BBS02 and his nylon gear went after about 4000 miles I believe. He just switched to a BBSHD. I work in rain and snow and I know that is not good for electric things!
Currently well over 8500 miles on my BBSHD, replaced display (so unsure of total milage) also replaced the internal freehub & lubed metal gears once. I have not tried for a max speed by throttle on my current bike, but did get over 47 mph coasting downhill on pavement on my previous eMTB (probably faster, but older display couldn't go higher). Both were converted heavy duty mountain bikes (downhill racing or free-ride frames) using the same BBSHD mid drive and 52V battery. Main expense has been replacing batteries after water got into the plastic cases & shorted cells (I open them and seal case seams & openings with silicone caulk now). I was a year round bike commuter for 25+ years, on an eMTB for the last 5+. Programmed the controller for useful cadence and power levels for on road and various slow speeds/increasing power for climbs, makes a Big difference over stock programming. Regularly ride 25 to 40 miles, including off pavement and lots of climbing, using less than 50% of my 750 WH 52V battery. Still have an "acoustic" MTB, very similar to my electric MTB, to ride with folks on regular bike rides.
Iam on 6500 miles just got a tool come going to service for first time no problems runs as good as new just needs greasing really great kits worth every penny
Very informative video, thanks for posting. I appreciate the extended mileage experience you shared. I am also impressed and happy with the BBSHD mid-drive, have about 800 miles on it so far, problem free. I put mine on a Mongoose Hitch fat-tire bike via a luna "hot rod" kit, very happy with that. With a 36 front chain ring and and an 11-34 freewheel, I can accelerate up the hills we have here in the bluff country of southern Minnesota and have hit 43 mph on the flats. Using throttle... I can't keep up with the pedaling at much beyond 25 mph. I actually find that the 750 watt mode is pretty adequate for most of my uses, still can get to 30 mph and my range is consistently over 60 miles with a 52V 20Ah battery. I have to chide you just a little on your choice of venue for the speed run, though... as e-bikers we don't want to get too much negative attention and get regulated out of the "free" world we currently are riding in... doing the speed run on a pretty busy highway going way over the speed limit and running stop signs is liable to capture that type of attention...! 😮
I’ve only had 1 ride on my hd , but wow , it is a tractor on hills .. 34t rear 42t front had me riding up dirt tracks that I wouldn’t even contemplate walking up .. very happy with my upgrade .
Top speed on a downhill...with my budget 29 inch wheel 750 w peak, rear geared hub , have seen often 45m>h ! so i believe you should all make test on flat str8 roads !
1) Never buy it from Ali.......buy from Lunacycles. They unlock it to 1500w max output and great service 2) Get rid of the factory BBSHD chain ring. Ugly and super heavy compared to a Leki or others 3) Re-grease that nylon gear about every 2000 miles 4) Swap out the factory controller for the Ludicrous controller for up to 3000w output 5) Get a "program" cable and software to fine tune much more than the presets available on the display. I run a BBSHD with Ludicrous controller(3kw) with dual 22ah 52v packs in parallel. Leki 32 tooth chain ring, 8spd Sturmey IGH and LOVE everything about it. Can hit 50MPH on flats. Bike on............
Im delivery rider using the BBS02 750w 48v 20ah for a year. My motor made 25.000km before being stolen :3 I just changed the clutch at around 18.000km (15£) Now i bought the same kit again. You can make easily more than 100km on one charge with pedal assist (my city is full of crazy hills) By the way, this engine is cheaper and lighter than BBSHD and 750w with 1000w peaks its more than enough for anything you can imagine. Dont forget to buy the programming cable, its necessary to put out the power as you need (the stock assist levels are ****) Just to let you know (if im wrong, please someone explain me) you are running your engine at 754w peak (52v x 14.5ah)
754 watts/hour is the capacity (size) of the battery not how much power his kit is using at the moment. The kit can peak over 1500watts for short periods, the math is the capacity of the battery divided by the average(not peak) consumption of the motor tells you how long you can ride the bike for before you run out of charge on your battery. If his average was 754watts he would be able to ride for one hour before his battery was dead, if he rode at 1500watts it would take a bit less than 30 minutes and so on.
@@michaelcastro5339 Yeah, looks like im mixing the controller amps with batterry amps/h. You are right, as long as you have a 30amps controller, with 52v battery you cant get more than 1500w. I was measurig the battery capacity :3
I mounted my battery on my rack like on your bike on the back wheel. I got a 48 volt battery this thing is awesome charges up depends on where how I use it 3 to 4 hours is charged
I am at 26,000 km and i ugraded the controller with a double shunt controller 3300 watts and its still kicking ass 4 years later and have had upgraded for 1 and half years and my nylon gears is original and it does get hot in summer time but not to a fail point. Bbshd are good but you have to make sure its got the new mosfets 3077 and not the old ones and pinion gear was changed to be stronger about 6 years ago i think so if newer then that you are good to go.
@@bananasforbikes No because I am in the UK so can't go too fast otherwise police will get suspicious lol. I tend to stick to 20-25mph. My city has some big climbs so mainly use the motor for those otherwise just pulling about 100-200w on the flats
I liked the torque sensor of my 500W TSDZ2, it feels like a real bicycle but with superhuman legs, other than that i have a BBSHD now and it just feels fun, but i still like torque sensing aswell, wish BBSHD would come with one and have a setting to fully adjust how much based on torque and on cadence you'd like, something like that.
12500km on the BBS02b 750W with my obese trike. The only advice I have on all Bafang midmotors. Grease the gears and shaft with a grease that isn't agressive for plastics. (the main, nylon gear and the small exposed printboards). On battery. The cells in those "Chinesium" Shark-packs are not top quality, and those 14.5Ah they promise are optimistic. Spend a bit more $$ on a better quality and bigger battery. (you could rebuild the pack with quality cells, and get better results) The charger is basic, but ok. The noise is the fan rubbing to a piece of plastic that got dislodged by the drop.
I am sure there are very few ebikes with 26k miles on them Im sure you got your moneys worth In the US thats 2 years of car driving including to work and back plus dirves on weekends
Its strange because I always thought the BBSHD had a torque sensor, and that was one reason it was popular vs hub drives.... 25 miles sounds about right if your going quite fast, I use a 28 amp hour 52v triangle battery and get about 60 miles range just from that battery but my gears are different to yours, I have the 42t front not the 46 or 48 and my rear ones are probably a bit bigger but not huge. Its good that your bike has hydraulic brakes, thats the only thing im missing really with mine.
A mid-drive motor is always superior to a hub motor. I just do not understand your thinking. "Its strange because I always thought the BBSHD had a torque sensor, and that was one reason it was popular vs hub drives.."
I have bbshd and it's got almost 16,000 kph on motor and it's has no issues with motor but I had to replace cassettes and front sprocket but motor is good. the cold is bad when you are doing 55 kph and you even have good gloves my fingers burned for a hour after I got home.
Motorcycle heated grips and motocross bike handguards for winter riding! I grew up racing in upstate NY and lots of guys would race on ice and do these mods.
I just got a bike with the smaller kit, its just like this one, but 48v and 750w. My bike goes up city view and terraceview, it does slow own to like 10mph, but it makes it up the hill. You should test those hills, you can probably do 20mph. Mine will do 28 on flat ground with just motor
You haven't raced me 💪💪👍👍 and my bike is the coolest on the block. 🤣🤣 it's not a Suron I built great build brother 💪💪👍👍 bats like to be used.. charge everyday is good.. easy mod to chargers. Your fan is hitting side too🙂
I wanted to get a mid drive e-bike kit but the $800-$1,000 price is too stiff....I bought a $120 2 stroke engine kit and added $80 in better parts. For $200 I have a reliable,fast 35-40 mph,long range,100 mpg, motorized bike. It's actually not very loud (more quiet than a lawn mower), I can ride in the rain without fear of ruining an $800 kit. If I wreck, the worst I'd be out is $200, the main cons are- engine noise (but it also helps drivers hear/see you) & not 100% legal to ride everywhere in USA. The cops won't bother you here if you don't ride stupid. Sadly, gas VS electric, weighing the pro's & cons gas won. If I wasn't sick/could work/ had plenty of money, I'd probably have a mid drive E-bike.
@@pawelwis7215 A few other concerns I had #1 If my bike was stolen or crashed I'm out a lot more money in damages VS the 2 stroke #2 How many times can the bike get caught in rain before it starts having electrical issues? #3 How well will it survive long term in hot humid summers & well below freezing winters since it has to be left outside in a shed? #4 How long will the battery last before it needs replaced VS paying for gas? #5 I can diy repair anything & everything on the motorized bike for cheap. I'm not biased against electric bikes/vehicles but it sounds like you're biased against motorized bikes/vehicles & not taking everything into consideration. If I knew for sure a $1,000 kit would be a better deal/more bang for the buck long term I would have tried to get one.....Hopefully solid state batteries will live up to their claims.
@@michaelbrinks8089 The best solution is hub drive. No maintenance, very good water protection (I live in the Netherlands when rains a lot) For around 500E You can buy hub drive kit with a quite good battery.
I've had three two stroke bikes and one 250watt front hub e bike. I'm building a 48v 1000watt mid drive. Estimated so far at $1,200 including the bike. They each have their strengths. I don't like smelling of premix and the constant maintenance and cylinder liner failing on something I need to count on for commuting.
@@marthamryglod291 The gas & oil mess is for sure annoying... I'm hoping solid state batteries live up to the hype & will be out in a couple more years. I just don't wanna sink $1,000 or more into an ebike kit & have it fall apart in a year. Which seems to be the case for many people. I have a top speed of 40 mph, 90 mpgs & can ride long range for $250 in parts, seems like a good deal to me. Parts are cheap if something breaks. I can buy a whole new engine kit that comes with new gas tank, chain,sprocket,etc..for $140. I seen a $3,600 Trek Roscoe build with a 5,000w mid drive. For less than 1/4 the cost, my bike is almost as fast ($50 in part upgrades would make it just as fast) & stronger but doesn't have the extra gears for steep hills. I don't think that's worth paying more than $3,000 for though. I'm curious how long their 5,000w mid drive motor will last.
I mounted a BBSHD on my bike after over 20K miles with a BBS02. The HD now has 15K miles on it and the bike has almost 40K. If you upgrade to a Rohloff Speedhub and a large battery you will find that the maintenance and your range will fall into line. I replace my chain twice a year and at the same time flip (or replace) the single Rohloff gear, the total cost is less than $50. With a pair of 2058Wh lithium packs, and a range of over 100 miles I have no problems with range even while touring fully loaded. Another item that will save hundreds of dollars is a Grim Satiator for charging. Batteries should rarely be charged to 100% capacity and never depleted past 20% capacity. Lastly, speed is not determined by the motor but rather by gearing. If you feel the need to ride faster then you need to change the gearing. - photos.app.goo.gl/ADgC6oyPM2gyrCq27
Yes, there is a freewheel cog and a one way bearing inside the bafang mid drives, so you can motor without pedaling or pedal with no motor (same as assist level zero). There is the added resistance of the drive (slight) and all the weight the drive & battery adds to the bike. Not obvious when riding on flat ground.
Если удерживать + то включится режим спорт ! На режиме спорт мотор становится реактивным 👍💪 а если удерживать - то включится режим пешеход . Будет ехать со скоростью пешехода , чтоб не толкать во время ходьбы 5 км/ч . Не за что
Turn down your pas, stop using throttle or turn off your motor and you will get good exercise, get a 5A charger off aliexpress it will charge battery under 3hrs instead of 6. I use kmc chain and 9sp rear 11-50 cassette and very cheap from aliexpress so yes it's worth changing each year
I'm using the BBS02 750w on a 48v 17.4 battery and I get about the same performance, but I've only just started using it from July so I'm still not too confident of range. I believe I can install the HD controller onto the 02, does anyone know if that's possible and what difference it might make?
Nice informative video. I have a fat mountain bike and fat cruiser bike both with BBSHD. I have had the cruiser 4 years and had to replace my display at about a year. I now have over 15k + miles in addition to whatever I had on the first display on the motor. I have it disassembled now as I have to replace a broken PAS ring. I should have tore this apart sooner for some grease maintenance. There was no grease only solid chunks of what used to be. Lucky it lasted this long. It's getting a good greasing now before reassembly. BTW, how are you able to accurately tell what your cadence is during your ride as you mentioned?
Turn your motor off & you'll get a crazy workout & probably be in the back on group rides;) You may be able to charge in less time with a faster charger, assuming the BMS allows it. FYI the BBSHD can peak higher than 1400 watts with a 52 volt battery. Good tips about chains and cassettes but every year may be excessive for the average rider that doesn't ride as many miles. If you want a higher top speed get a bigger chain ring (a wider ratio cassette may be needed to keep the hill climbing ability though).
Mileage is less important than most think… depending on how you acquire those miles. Age of the bits and pieces make a difference too. Some stuff is not built to last.
I have the bbs02 750 and a large 19,2 Ah battery on my MTB. Rounded 1000 miles now. Had some problems with the PAS lagging, but after learning to program the motor with the cable the motor spinn very vell. I am from Norway with long and steep hills, and have problems with my legs. The bike is my every day transporter. The down side is if I am stopped by the Police. They will confiscate my bike and give me a large fine. Here you can only ride 250w 36v PAS bikes. But I am a large man, and the smaller motors are powerful enough. Also need to control the chain line there shifting can make some noise sometimes.
@@arnehusby1420 They sell metal placards you can buy to glue on your motor that say 250W that look very official, buy one and put on your motor, it should be a least a basic protection from casual inspection. A stealthy deadman switch that kills half the power of the kit is very useful if they try to ride it and notice it's weak and slow when they do it.
My bbso2 had nealy 10 000 miles on it and it only just destroyed the nylon gear Monday when was going up a hill so had repair it easy enough thinking of upgrading to something powerful what you don’t have to change controller all time
The BBSHD is a good upgrade. Using the programming cable to,set cadence and power for each preset is Very useful to make the drive behave for your riding style. The main caution with with both is the nylon gear and the incompatible grease from the metal gears causing the nylon gear to fail.
Love my bbshd, use it to commute with rather than my car. I ride 24 miles a day round trip, I have a 48v 24.5ah so I get a pretty amount of distance. Only p4oblem I have is every so often I get chain skips and my derailleur be snapping back
Yeah, was thinking the same thing. I charge my lithiums in an old grill at the edge of my garage by the roll up door. If it gets silly, I hit the garage door opener and kick it out to burn. It happens. Especially with funky charging situations and mods to the charging or use of multiple batteries...
I feel the same way about my Aostirmotor S17 - it's doing 50mph top speed. Everything is near me so the battery is getting lots of love. I'm 200 lbs and 69 inches tall. I use ISTORM helmet.
@11:50 I have a BBS02 750W and a 35 mile round trip commute. ❤ my BBS02... anyway you mentioned chain/cassette replacement... is it possible to just replace the chain (more frequently) or do both have to be done together?
NivagSwerdna You probably already got this answer to your question by now. First notice the condition of all of the teeth on each sprocket make sure they are all square and have sharp corners make a note of them when they are new so you will remember what the look like . Also measure the chain there are specifications that tell you how much the chain has grown so you know when to replace it. Its probably on line and bike shops have this info too
I noticed you've kept the stock Bafang chainring. I think the chain would sit better with a Lekkie but they are expensive. So you got good performance even with the stock one.
If your setup has chain line issues the lekkie chainrings are essential to get good shifting and minimize chain & cog wear. Also if you are a mountain biker, being able to get better gearing for climbing and slower speeds is important. I was running a 36 with an 11-34 9sp cassette, changed to a 42 with a 11-42 10sp cassette, so slightly lower gears for hills and higher gears for less power use on the flat. The stock stamped steel chainring is just ugly & heavy, alloy rings also have "narrow-wide" tooth profile so they are Far less likely to drop the chain.
Ali Express. Bestebike is the company I beleive. I'd get a bike that can fit at lease a 2.5 inch tire if I were to use a different bike. Riding off road is a lot of fun
No one knows how many miles you can go on a BBHSD?? I am sorry but that is wrong. The correct wording is no one knows for sure because if you maintain it there is little to no upper limit. The Bafang BBSHD is the most common choice of motor for the Solar Ebike race Sun trip which goes from France to China covering 13,000km. Most riders that use a BBSHD will only replace the nylon gear once or twice over the entire 3 month race. It is also recommended to do a grease swap when you get your BBSHD. Jack Butler has some great videos on his race build and the entire race as well.
Hi there is 2 ways you could go but first off you might consider a hub drive if you are on a trike. Look around youtube there is hundreds of videos on ebikes here and i have even seen a few with trikes in them those were using the front drive hub system. They also sold those trikes it really depends if you just want to wrench on them or not. I'm not disabled but I'm 74 and i'm starting to like the Idea of a step through frame because its getting tough to swing my leg over the seat. there are hundreds of variations on ebikes and trikes 2 because the have room for carrying junk if you go shopping etc' If youget on one study up on security a lot of them re getting stolen
Hello 👍 ,, you can change the pin (motor) that enters the frame of the bottom bracket,!? Let me explain,. I took the 100mm but, Pultroppo with the dissosamento chain crown house we are not there. He strains too much arrived at the 9 speed, from 10-11 goes hard and eats the iron. Since I have a 148×12 mtb wagon. No more margin even with picnic crown that I recovered 5mm .. Nothing! It doesn't work. So I would like to try on my old 26 rockrider 5.2 mtb Che a
@@bananasforbikes I understand.. Thank you. Anyway there is no way to find suitable frame for BBSHD 1000wat?? I ask the seller suitable frame but they don't know anything aliexpress or anything else 😔
@@bananasforbikes Hello I have solved the problem at the Lidl pin of the Chain now I would like to understand some things I had a 48 volt battery made by my professional friend but apparently it is not enough you think that with the 52 volts I will still be able to say goodbye to all the engine I am very doubtful I see so many videos from you and other youtubers which exploit the bafang BBS HD engine in another very amazing way my engine does not give these ratings as great as ever how is it possible what is wrong Second there are those who say to add a transformer there are those who say to add an enhancer There are those who say here there are those who say the. When I try my vehicle the baffanculo 1000 until one 2345 for assistance Let's say that it behaves quite well with the 48 volt battery and all other assistance up to 9 are useless the lever practically is almost non-existent on the climbs of 15 % even if I pedal and push the engine a lot it helps very little so I am very disappointed I would like to understand how I have to do to upgrade this engine and make the most of it because I only took it to make this trip with my trailer and my dog for have a little help uphill but apparently there is something wrong the engine works I solved the problem of the pin that I told you in the other comment from days ago you were very kind and in any case both the spare parts of the engine block of the pin the seller sells them So any useful information and if I know that all the assembly was done in a workmanlike manner the battery that was made was made by a professional with the cells from € 36 each so original Samsung cells not the Chinese ones that are worth almost nothing the battery is finished all has been Then I also put the support control unit that the one that develops and serves to regulate the voltages and all the rest I of these things but I do not know in fact the battery was built by a professional especially for me for my trip, but now it was 48 times we have tried apparently it is not good for the engine because it does not give the necessary power so we are doing the 52 times what I wanted to ask you what else needs to be done to make the most of all the power of this engine not to run but to have the copy of 151m that actually says the seller and harness it uphill with the trailer my dog heads.
I like my bbshd 1000 watt mid drive too but I can only do 25 to 30 miles on pas 1 with my 14 Amp hour battery. Does that seem low? 🤔 Has anyone tried riding their bike with pas 0? My installer says it's fine and it's just a heavy bike but I feel drag in the bottom bracket. Any comments?
first thing how much do you wiegh many kids go much faster because they weigh less than 150 lbs 75 kilos on these small motors thats a lot women weigh even less. also in cars 25-30 isn't much but in ebike its about 20% more top speed. there are 3 variables most guys doing speed runs use 52v batteries the bigger motors 1000w and above and sprocket size for top speed 48 - 52 tooth. for hills and for hills 32 - 42 tooth sprockets this all matters. Also note when banana went 50 he had a long downhill run to get to 50, JUst get a bike and learn about it in many places over 25 is not legal unless you have motorcycle registration
@@ciberbri59 Everything depends on speed and how aerodynamic you are. Ebikes will go 2x farther at 25mph than at 30 with the same battery capacity and less than a 1/4 of what you get at 25 if you go at 35. The drag from the wind resistance is the latest energy expenditure while riding at higher speeds. At 20mph you should get slightly more than 2x what you get by going at 25, also the more hills and the harder you press that throttle the more power you consume. If you want more range either increase the battery size or pedal more so that the mid-drive works less, you could ride a recumbent as the shape would make you save power by having less drag, but that's up to you.
My BBSHD has to turn on power assist to at least level 1 in order for me to throttle , throttle only has no power if power assist set to 0, is this normal on all BBSHD kit?
You can reprogram power level 0 with the Bafang software by setting power assist to 1 and 1 for power level 0 in the software. That way the throttle works for all power assist levels including 0. I actually have my power level 0 recalibrated for assist at about side walk speeds...about 10 mph. I don't see the point of power level 0 doing nothing so I change it add a bit of motor power. If you want no power, just shut it off.
If I shut it off and on while riding, I loose assistance. Have to stop and turn it on while stopped to get assistance back. Maybe something wrong with mine?
Nylon gear failures can be from overheating (more common with BBS02 being driven too hard, rare in BBSHD) or from the incompatible grease for the metal gears getting to the nylon gear.
@@hansmatthia32 Sorry to hear. Hope you have the right gear ratios now. Everyone says to be Sure that the wrong grease does not get into primary, nylon reducing gears. I am nearing 30 years mountain biking, so bike gearing is second nature to me.
@@Keeping-It-Real-55 it puts out peak 1400 to 1500 watts. At pedal assist 3 it will cruise at 500w while pedaling and on assist 5 it will so 750 to 1000 while pedaling or more if just throttle
An idea for a video you should take your old system and put it on my adult tricycle you can do a video on yet I'm a disabled American vet it would make an awesome video I live in Bolivar Missouri except when the forest landed give it a thought I'd really appreciate it I'd buy one of those but I just don't have the money for one of those my social security is only 290 a month
it is a complete myth that less power is more safe! If you can't get out of the way and keep up with traffic it is bad! The myth with less power should read, if you don't know how to ride properly stay off the bike.
It is irresponsible riding like this that is going to ruin one of the few freedoms we have left. This is a prime example of why drivers have a bad attitude towards cyclists & while I am all for having fun & hitting speeds on your bike, doing it in a manner that puts others as well as yourself at risk is the reason local Governments have started cracking down on E Bike rules. Already a woman killed by a 12 year old E Biker has successfully moved the community to petition the local Council to ban E Bikes. Other communities are drafting licencing & new regs.for E Bikes. How about setting a GOOD example by encouraging new riders to ride safely?
