Baldur's Gate 3 - Don't let Lae'zel do THIS one thing 

That's why I love my Guardian so much: "Let me help!" *things explode* He's just like me. 😂

You can convince Lae'Zel to use the tadpoles, and when she uses one she removes the debufs. A note was added in patch 1.0 that said "You can now cure the zaith'isk debuffs with tadpoles"

Laezel can actually do this event just fine. You can convince her to hold strong and she uses her prayer to get through the event and doesnt have debuffs. (Side note: I was also githyanki so I had special dialogue options) Allowing her to do this helps convince her Vlaakith is no ally. She stays blind to it at first but later revelations go much smoother.

If you let Lae’Zel Go first, succeed your throws, and use succeed the illithid throw. You get the awakened mind w/o gaining debuffs on Lae’Zel

One of the most hurtful decisions in the game. The fact that most of us didnt know until hours later hurts the most.

"You're hurting! Let me help." *Gigantic explosion*

It's cheating technically but if you're trying to keep a good reputation with Lae'zel while also avoiding the terrible debuffs, there is a way to do it. Let Lae'zel sit in the chair but when the first dialogue option appears, switch to a different party member and move a box or some other object around in the infirmary. The doctor will notice and warn you against stealing, which cancels the previous dialogue. Now, you can have your main character sit in the chair and play out the scene normally but without upsetting Lae'zel. Win-win!

Side note, you can get the debuffs removed by casting greater restoration. So shadowheart has you covered by level 9.

I noticed this game takes from Planescape Torment: if you have an option to permanently mutilate your body, always take it. Tav gets buffs from a brand like Nameless One tattoos, losing your eye is bonus exactly like there, and eating tadpoles is like consuming your own organs in PST.

It honestly would’ve been awesome if that device actually worked, allowing you to go through the rest of the game uncorrupted with no brain worm powers for the whole party. No longer dreading the possibility of turning into a squid man would make sleeping a hell of a lot more enjoyable, maybe even boost everyone’s morale and fight better, lol.

I knew the massive approval burst with letting Lae'zel used the machine was too good to be true xD

A couple small corrections: 1) The Creche is still in Act 1, not 2. Act 2 begins with your arrival in the Shadowcursed Lands.* 2) It's not "the one and only Zai'thisk" - it's heavily implied that there are many, possibly even one in every Creche. *Edit: It seems a lot of people get confused by the "You're about to progress your adventure...." warning when you go to enter the Mountain Pass. That's a trigger point that can cause the druid grove plot to advance, but it is NOT the act-change. if each of those warnings meant a change in acts, the game would have 4 acts, and 2 would be JUST the Mountain Pass (and entirely skippable). Larian themselves made it clear when the acts change, because there's an achievement for each - and the "Enter Act 2" achievement pops when you enter the Shadow-cursed Lands.

In my current playthrough of just an OC Gith'Yanki and Lae'Zel alone on the journey with no other companions, this section was very different narratively. I also learned that if you go into turn based combat and kill/knock out the doctor before she escapes the room, the rest of the fortress will not be alerted to you and not be hostile, letting you go to the Inquisitor and have a 2 on 1 chat with Vlaakith as a loyal follower.

Yeah well Loviatar’s love was also a permanent buff but it went away after I died in the boat fight to Grymforge. Lae’Zel did too. I’ll need to check if she has that.

the awakened buff is actually pretty good if you wish to use the powers.

Ahhh that's why Mind Blast is a bonus action on my PC, but not my other party members! I didn't even know I had the awakened buff and that was confusing the heck out of me (but it's sooooo good!) xD

This one was the most upsetting one in the entire game, especially because i only saw it at the end of act2 when i tried to respec her into a strength monk where all 3 stats are the most important.

I did, but failed a saving throw and her INT went down. I just re-specc'ed her into a monk and pumped her WIS and STR up and gave her the 18 Dex gloves. She now fights WAY better

If you can convince Lae'zel to make use of illithid powers, giving her a parasite power also cancels the debuffs.

I took a long rest without realizing Lae’zel had left the party to approach and talk to the Githyanki group by herself. When we left camp she was dead at their feet. Sneaking my character said in a whisper “killed by her own people”. Looking forward to the second play through where she stays alive LOL.

I realized several hours into the game that I had crippled lae'zel. Sice the dc's were 30 (practically impossible) I thought the game intended me to fail and continue. They never notify the player the permanent damage you're making and they don't let you heal lae'zel with a high level spell ehich kinda breaks table top rules.

I just did this part and did exactly what you did and than your vid came up in recommendations. It seems trusting my instincts paid off ciz I went first and succeeded in all my rolls, but didn't know about the buff bonus so thanks.

Well, I will have to do this for my Embrace the Power Durge run. But being a Pally this run, the PC has the front line covered. I actually threw Lae'zal and Karlach a couple levels of rogue so they could deal with traps and locks, since I may have disposed of someone early in Act1.

im not completely sure but Lae'zel might attack you if you demand to go first if your approval is not high enough. And you can still get the awakened passive even if she goes first but at the cost of permanent debuffs for Lae'zel.

If Lae'zel does get the debuffs, there are three parasite samples in the room. Feed them all to Lae'zel and it cures her stats right up in addition to giving her the listed powers.

I let lae'zel sit in the chair first, and ultimately helped break her out from the outside. My PC got the bonus action Awakened feature, but I don't know if lae'zel got any debuffs. I'll have to check when I get home.

If you don't care about the awakened. As a gith you can let her go 1st and the special dialogue makes her approve each time and gets no debuf, or I think no debuf, would have to go back and check

Thanks, I couldn't figure out the best way for this to play out.

Damn, I wish I would've known about the buff from going in yourself first. I just entered Act III so my last save from the creche was a longggg time ago

Wow I was literally saying to myself “why is lae’zel so bad now” nice vid man, never would have caught that

It also gives you a heal power buff, that when someone is taken to zero, they are instead healed rather than downed. I had that power after doing this, and I have yet to use a tadpole to unlock the skill tree.

This will come in handy on my Dark Urge/Tadpole playthrough.

Good work dude, I just watched 3 creche walkthroughs and NOT one of them touched this aspect.

I am soon moving to do just this quest so am glad i checked this ty

Well im looking forward to getting some cool new bonus actions on my next play through

LoL, thank you , what an strange incidence I just passed this point in the game - just a few minutes later - and I did not even realize this. Thank you that you saved my gameplay because without you I would not know - and now I am able to go back to my safe of just a few minutes earlier.

Went back and looked and yep My Lae'zel has a reduced intelligence debuff. This doesn't make a ton of difference as I didn't have her as an eldritch knight build but it is interesting.

Excellent info thanks. Just arrived at the creche, my lucky day lol

In my playthrough, I was surprised because she supported me to go first. She talked to me in a soft voice and she was very nice about it . I think i can't play without Lae'zel now

If you let Lae'Zel enter the Zai'thisk and convince her to remain in the chair throughout, you will also get the Awakened perk. So far I have only encountered one other spot in Act 1 that will give you another buff to the Parasite, granting an Illithid power....even though I have not yet unlocked the powers tab.

I literally just finished this quest but I did it for the story, cuz I don’t really travel with Lae’zel very much

Thanks for the warning. I have not yet reached that point in the game but knowing how to avoid those permanent debuffs is well worth the relatively tiny spoiler.

You can use Tadpoles to get rid of the debuffs. You need three to get rid of all 3 debuffs and you can steal the three that are in that same room the machine is in.

Hey Mr Hulthen I’m loving this game and I’m curious will you be covering the other big game to come out in sept mk1 or ya know anything that’s not midfield??

Also, don't piss off Vlaa'kith or she might end you!

Brother, i just saw your numbers of subscriibers, congrats on the influx of ppl who realize that you are smart, fun, make interesting observations (with ME dives in mind, oh those are still gold brother) and ...i'm going out on a limb here, but you remind me of one off my best friends from what i can tell from your videos. Oh and also, you got charisma, good guy charisma. Take care brother, Solo - Sweden

Man it sometimes saddens me how much I've missed in Baldurs Gate 3 so far but then I see videos like this and am happy I made the right choice without even realizing it, at the time I was here, I saved beforehand but chose the path that would allow me to go first, not just because I wanted to "Impress" her in the game, but also because I figured that this "Purification" is vague to the actual function of the machine, I threw myself in the chair because I knew that I wasn't going to die just like that, I wasn't sure if my dream visitor was going to protect Lae'Zel so Instead, knowing she would most likely try and protect me, I put myself as the "Test Subject", I had this same kind of Success with Shadowhearts Shar Trials and I'm super glad I can have genuine "rare" moments in games for myself, even when it feels like I'm so average I'm actually below average.

Thanks man, I really appreciate it

Ah Laezel, source of my bruises. Shes my favorite companion and she LOVES my vengeance pally.

You can also remove the debuff by eating a tadpole. 2 tadpoles completely removes the debuffs.

After I saw that I couldn't succeed on Lae'zel's rolls (she lost all three and lost 2 points to 3 differnt ability scores), I loaded the previous save, went to camp, removed her from the group, and went back in to do it myself. Afterwards, I put her back in the group so she could be there for the dialogues with the inquisitor and Vlaa'kith.

note: I actually sent in Lae'zel alone, with my character being detached. The whole thing went by fast, and now that I check she has all 3 of these However. the tooltip says much more than shown. All 3 of them have an extra sentence: "The Githianki device failed to to harm your illithid parasite - perhaps consuming more would mend your broken mind" in that one, I did convince her to be open to upgrading the illithid powers, but haven't done so yet. Guess it ain't permament if one plays it right

I just couldnt find the chair and just convinced lazeal to ignore it.

Wow, I had no idea about the weakened Lae'zel. Thanks for the info!

nice to know that! I am playing as Laezel atm, havent done the quest yet

I do believe the new patch drop added a way to remove the debuffs so not really an issue.

Ohh, I never realized this, haha. She is still a killing machine, but I will check if she have this debuffs because I failed all the atempts to take her away from the thing.

I let her use it but got a nat 20 on the first persuasion so she doesn't have any weaknesses

Great explanation😊

should I consume the parasites or keep away from them ??? I don't know what to do with that ... should I cure myself or keep eating them?

Thanks for this tip Mr H!

well I'm stuck with her debuffs I guess, but my 2nd playthrough I was planning a 'semi-evil want power guy' and I will definely grab this buff

yo bro thaaank yoou i was trying like hell to avoid getting locked in the infirmary cause im a level 4 and got no thieves tools or lockpick

I got lost in the dungeon and ended up at the end with the Inquisitor trying to kill me and me having to fight my way through everything only to find out I missed the infirmary, switched Lae'zel out for Astarion and sat in the chair, succeeded on all the saving throws and broke the thing while my tadpole evolved or some shit.

More permanent debuffs I noticed but no one else it seems is the hags potions. After you beat her there's multiple potions on a table. If you drink each individually will permanently debuff you.

Wow. I had no idea about this. The awakened buff is very handy to know. o: Thanks for sharing.

Is it possible (no matter how unlikely) to pass every check for Laezal and also get the Awakened trait for her, or is the Awakened trait exclusive to your character?

Omg ty!!! Ty! Just arrived. And of ourse my githraki friend was frying her brain first... not no more.

Not sure if you checked the DCs for this once she sits on the chair but they're practically impossible unless you're save scumming and even then you'd be save scumming till you roll a 20.

crazy that if you go through the underdark you miss this completely. This game is huge.

Wow I never noticed this, had Laezel crippled throughout all of act 2 lol, was really hoping the Zaethisk would work

Nah, no way my character is sitting in that machine before some else (Lae'zel) testing it first...

Note, if you succeed the DC 30 Arcana check (you likely need a nat 20) you get the Bonus Action power and she gets none of the Debuffs

I had really good luck, and with first throw I got critical success.

I didnt find her in my first official playthrough until she was met up with the dragon dude

Proof that ability improvement feat is a noob trap, I never noticed it until act 3 when she’s rocking in legendary githyanki gear😂

The mountain pass is technically part of Act 1 as well, just FYI.

You can go into the Zhath'isk first and Lae'zel will approve. At least she did with me, she said something along the lines of "I respect you, you can go first". Best of both worlds

if u check them all tho the saves and also the save for the unknow power even illithd thingie u get some extra power out of the event for me this was only postive hahahaha

Like WOW this game is SOOOoo good for things like this. Never would have thought about trying this.

Oh, and Thanks for the info!😮

Even if you let Lae'zel nominate herself to test out the device first, you can still get that Awakened buff if you passed all the rolls in the end. I think theres an option to absorb the power from it.

Thank you for this video. I'm glad I got that buff. There's only one chance to get it per playthrough it seems.

Apparently if you or Laez got some debuffs you can cure them consuming a tadpole/unlocking a new illithid skill.

Dumb fun thing that will be patched. When the doctor books it and locks the danger door, it isn't a warp restricted area. You can warp to githyanki creche rune circle and speak to the kith'rak nonhostilely.

I just semd her back to the camp. Do the chair myself, then when the healer runs off and locks the door. Just go back to camp and invite her again. No loss of rep that I saw.

man i missed out on so much by killing lezazel with the tieflings this game got so many choices and cutscenes its actully nuts

Thanks for sharing that with us :)

Great video!

Shadowheart dissaprooves

I had to check after seeing this, sure enough the debuffs are there. But RP > Min/Max. She still been a beast with her battlemaster manuevers. And her story arc has been so cool. She's definitely the most interesting character in the group.

Yeah lol I failed all the checks and didn't notice all the -2 she received only after I was done with the entire area xD

Damnit now i have to start the game over

Laezel just got -2 intelligence in my attempt. I think it suits her well. 🤣

Damn I’m almost done with the game and I’ve seemed to missed out on all the buffs beside volo stabbing my eye ball.

Dude I don't even let her out of the cage back at the beach! lol

I'm kind of conflicted about watching these kinds videos, because part of me wants to know the best options but another part of me feels like i'm allowing these videos to steer my path in the game too much, rather than going in blind and making my own choices with all the consequences. Anyone else feel like that sometimes or am i just weird

If your a paladin you can instead make your oath powers more strong, I went with that instead

More thoughts on this- does dying and reviving lose these? How about "Divine intervention"?

I didn't notice the debuff until a few hours later, had to replay a nights worth of gaming. I just got out of the chair, didn't know you could get a buff. Doesn't matter anyway for this character, I don't eat the worms.