*opens gift* "SURPRISE!, It's grandma!" "I knew she'd make it!" "Well her head anyway. Her hands went to your cousin. Speaking of which, guess what's in your stocking!"
@@ben5056 or maybe she did, and he returned back to her just like you do in campaign - except he was not a story hero, so she wins that duel before you reach her.
Sick Fact: Orin’s mother, Helena, is also her half-sister. Yes. Sarevok seduced his own daughter & had her give birth to his child. That is a thing that happened. In case anyone thought this family couldn’t get any more messed up.
@@JKerr97 2 places. The official wiki & a dialog choice when questioning Helena’s corpse. She confesses that both she & Orin loved Sarevok (like that).
Orin: "Do you forget what I did to you?" Dark Urge: "I mean... yeah... I did... like, I thought we'd established this already... s'why it took me so long to get back here. It quite literally took me an entire campaign to find out about my mysterious past, since I can't remember anything... I don't understand what's so confusing about this for you..."
@@theodoreyoungman2111 My game bugged and Yenna simply disappeared off the face of the earth never to be seen again, despite Lae'zal having been the impostor for me. At least Grub was alive and well.
@@cianakrilIn my last playthrough Lae'zal was the impostor. She killed Yenna before my eyes because she convinced me that Yenna was the impostor. Was fine by me. I liked murder and always sent Yenna away every day.
does it affect gameplay? like give her debuff or deprive her of a buff? Or is it more like a Raphael situation where you can call him sh@ with no other benefit than it is funny.
@@KikomochiMendozaWell this shit isn't funny tbh. Orin is mentally a little girl. The checks are meant to persuade her to escape. And if you do manage to unbalance her psyche, Bhaal takes over.
You can call her an inbred abomination to get her mental breakdown too. If you take the peaceful solution to dealing with Sarevok and become an unholy assassin, as well as learn Orin's parentage through Sarevok's memoirs, You can grill him on why he would take such an incestuous means of propagating Bhaal's blood. Turns out their have been no new true Bhaal spawn since the initial Bhaal-spawn crisis as quarter bloods are too weak in his essence. So since all other bhaal-spawn were dead (mostly at each others hands) a resurrected Sarevok sought to breed with his own daughter to propagate a new Slayer candidate, not accounting that D-urge would instead be tailor created to fill that roll.
That's the thing: Doppelganger ancestry in D&D virtually rules out genetic defects that come with inbreeding. Meaning she's crazy and twisted due to nurture rather than nature.
“Imagine a giant cockroach, with unlimited strength, a massive inferiority complex, and a real short temper, is tear-assing around Baldur’s Gate in a brand new Orin suit. That sound like fun?” I just think she looks like the bug from Men in Black
If you choose the "[Deception] Sarevok told me the truth himself. He was at you," option, the transformation into Slayer form is more violent. IIRC, Orin involuntarily turns into the slayer form after falling unconcious.
You know, at one time, before entering this fight, I let Karlach consume a soul coin and used every possible summoning spell from Cleric Shadowheart and Necromancer Wizard Gale to prepare for a grand epic battle... and then a duel happened instead. Nevertheless, the more audiences, the better.
Did almost the same thing, ran to the Surgeon guy, was expecting everyone there to turn on me. So in preparation, I popped some elxirs, gave Karlach a soul coin, set everyone up while my main character was talking. Only to talk him into having his staff kill him. Then when I got to the Gold/Toll boss, I thought "Ill talk my way thru this like last time". Failed miserably, and had my team wiped. Didnt know carrying gold while fighting her would give her a huge edge. Boss one shot my main and Shadowheart in a few turns lmao.
It could be worse. You could be like me and end a campaign with an inventory full of “this is awesome, better save it for later” items. I don’t think I used a single attack that didn’t come from a scroll or reinforcements during the last few fights. Everyone was rolling up with haste. 27 strength, and well rested plus’s whatever else I had laying around though. I probably canceled some stuff out with other effects but who cares at that point?
I know Orin is f*cked up as hell but I can’t help but to love her character. I missed twisted, fully evil villains, even if they act childlish at some moments 😂 Also her voice actress did an AMAZING job.
@@AntonKlermon the slayer form should be more OP, especially in this instance; Orin is the only boss you fight 1 on 1 from what I've seen in my playthroughs. Outside that, Tav Slayer form is pretty mid imo. I'm not sure what the exact numbers are on everything, but I took Barb half orc durge, and slayer form was just worst in every aspect to what I could do outside it.
With Bully Maguire being on preview, i cannot help but recite some of the quotes "Ow...look at the little Orin Junior...gonna cry?" "Stings, doesh'it?"
Orin be like ''You took him (Sarevok) away from me, he loved me.'' Your PC '' No, he despised you. You were an embarrassement to him.'' 😂 For some reason, tormenting a deranged psycho like Orin feels like fun.
honestly I do love Orin as a character. it makes me wonder what would have happened if she had intervention like the Durge did before all of this, friends to rely on rather than people waiting to backstab her. she was pretty much doomed from the start but it's still sad, it would take amnesia like Durge had to help her.
I didn't even risk the life of Gale (he was the abducted). Used Astarion to stealthily apply a cloudkill on the Arena, and lured her out of the area, into the bridge. She and her minions had to stroll through insect plague, cloudkill, firewall and blade barrier, and when she reached armor-tank-hasted Karlach, 1 upgraded magic-missile stripped her of the rest of unstoppables she had. The rest was hack, hack, hack. Soccer kicking the beatch to oblivion.
@@cyberdoge1857 I was playing as Dark Urge except when I told her about Sarevok, I rolled the religion check afterwards. She started to break down about how everything she did was for sarevok and bhaal intervenes and forces her to transform.
@@TehLightravenMaybe it's just me but she also becomes more powerful. She used AoE scream that killed my kidnapped companion immediately so I had to finish her in 1 turn
@@cyberdoge1857 I'm not sure if that makes her more powerful or not but she's too weak to tell. Usually she just gets 1 turn to jump at me before my Rogue/Monk kills her.
Can't take either of these fools (her & Anime Gortash) seriously. Ketheric Thorm should have been the last boss. In fact, Act 3 feels like Act 2 and vice versa. When you're outrunning a army bearing down on Baldur's Gate - intent on stopping an Elder Brain from conquering the world - you don't have time to waste in a circus or doing the local police's job...
I kind of agree. Kethric was depressed and emo but felt like he had some weight and dignity to him... Like a real boss, you know? These two feel like self centred fools who can't see most obvious betrayals right in front of them bc of their hubris. Kethric and act 2 was definitely my favourite. There was too much lolly gagging in act 3.
@@hughswanson2354 Which is why going to BG after leaving the wilderness would have felt a more natural progression - with an ending in the cursed lands. It seems to me Larian built their Act 2 to feel like a rewarding finish for their looonnng early access - instead of planning it to be the middle chapter. Witness the sloppy third act we got.
The army already got to Baldur's Gate by the time you arrive, it was fended off by the Flaming Fist and the Steel Watch. That was the reason Gortash was given so much power, because he "saved" the city
Her dialogue isnt even that interesting. Its like someone at larian played vtmb mallavian and tried to make a half assed attempt to copy troika's homework but lacked the skill to do so. The only reaction she got out of me was "omfg shut the fuck up" like she's not even remotely entertaining she just reeks of "trying too hard to have a LOLSORANDOM EVIL CHICK" My paladin also two hit her when we fought. Most disappointing boss fight by far. And I wasn't even level 12!
lmao i followed my butlers guidance and at this point I had the slayer form instead of her and I was a barbarian needless to say orin got absolutely bodied
Larian scared me: don't pick dark urge for the first run. So I pick tav and that was cool. But after that I started second run with dark urge and saw his story ending. I dissapointed that i didn't pick dark urge for the first run.
I personally think darg urge tav is canon tav because it is the only origin that cannot join your party (but you can encounter them lying dead on the floor next to orins bed)
It really is strange to me. Larian won’t ever say it but DUrge is so clearly the canonical protagonist (with resisting the urge more than likely being the canon path). Tav in EA had some references to an “urge” and the option to either resist or embrace it, but I guess they broke DUrge off into its own origin character so that people didn’t have to experience the route’s unavoidable brutality if they didn’t want to
Orin : *in a state of mental breakdown and denial my character : "A dirty, shriveled, anemic little part of you that still mewls for approval, and love, and a mommy, and a daddy, and a boo-hoo-hoo!"
honestly i think it would be better if ketheric changed places with gortash and orin. He was such a good antagonist, he looks and sounds like an absolute menace and the other two are too cheesy to be final bosses imho. Also act 2 overall felt much more atmospheric and tense in that regard even if it is the shortest of them all
I kind of agree. Ketheric had motivations and a temperament that was worthy of a final villain. I like Orin and Gortash as villains for what it's worth, but I also feel like they were supposed to be the "mini bosses" and Ketheric was supposed to be the one manipulating them so he could get what he wanted.
It wasnt that this game was dnd that made it a goty. It wasnt the music, characters or story not even the spells. It was the capes! And that you could truely play a villain.
This part bugged for me. Even though I was in the room prepared to speak with Orins Mother's dead body, it triggered the confrontataion cutscene with Orin right away
Interesting. In my playthrough I had a dialog option to show her bhaals love for me and transform into the slayer before the fight which led to me beeing the slayer fighting normal orin.
That makes sense. Well, I thought that was a normal part of the Dark Urge questline to receive that form but I guess killing literally everyone I finished buisness with is a little bit extravagant and must have pleased Bhaal a lot. @@Lightna
@@jensenmcjens4029 I was playing a good guy Durge and I can confirm, you don't get the Slayer form unless you do certain actions. Act 2 Spoilers Below. I believe it's specifically connected to killing Isobel/killing the Nightsong. If you do either of these things, it has the same effect and you get the Slayer form as a gift. Choose not to and it triggers the night where your unsated Urge will try and kill whoever you're romancing at the time. This is presented you'll get the Slayer form if you go through with it, but I'm pretty sure the camp attacks you in the morning and you'll probably die in that encounter. But point is, you don't get the form by resisting the Urge until this part of the game where you can receive it by winning the duel.
i really do love this game BUT seeing your own character talk like that when Orin Transformed into him made me realise how much better it would have been if your character wouldnt be silent...
So lemme get this straight: your character was basically part of the original three that were supposed to control the absolute, went through extremely great lengths and a lot of effort to build the entire thing and achieved so much for that goal, got betrayed by one of your lackeys to be a thrall in said army, and somehow, someway, your character seeks redemption from the dark urge. im so fucking glad durge was moved away from being the base for tav
@@Carsa-is6vb i know, but it still makes zero sense that its even on the table, like this is your life’s work and you’re gonna throw it all away because?????
Oh look, an unmarked spoiler video that culminates the durge storyline and answers the questions posed over 60ish hours, neat! I would have hated to experience this naturally, thankfully you dressed this video up as a meme and one-off conversation option so I could accidentally spoil it for myself, thank you!
