Barra vs 2JZ: Which One is Actually Better? 

Love that Barra, definitely a hidden gem in the US. And yo I've been watching your similar videos for a while and would love to see you do an episode on the new civic Si engine (L15b7). Keep up the great work!

Do a 3sge vid

Barra da wirkd!

You said the 2jz is made of better material and is using a Siamese bore. But the Barra is still stronger?. That bullet Barra isn't using a stock iron block btw it's using a billet block, To run high 6s. Against 2jzs doing 5s with iron blocks. I'm a fan of both engines but you're over hyping the Barra.

The Barra's big advantage is displacement and roller cams me thinks. Roller cams give you more flow for the same duration because the valves can be opened and closed faster. It's also why the head is so much taller. 👍🇦🇺

I saw one for sale in Campbelltown for 300 bucks 🤘😂

Yep and a n/a 2jz out here is somewhere in the ballpark of $1500 which is mad and I think the 2jz-gte is around $5000-$6000

This is what I wanted to know if you do a price comparison in Australia the Barra must win right if you do a price comparison in America I don't know can you import a barra and make the same amount of horsepower for less than a 2JZ that's something that they have to figure out so it's not about what's better it's what's the least expensive which makes the same amount of horsepower in relation to the different locations

@@jamesrobertson3853 there is a drag team in Sweden that imported a barra and shoved it into a Volvo. But an answer to your question the barra is a little bit more cost effective. AUD$500 for a Barra, AUD$5904 for FedEx shipping (Engine weights approximately 240kg and the shipping rate to U.S. is AUD$24.6/KG.)(you may find it cheaper elsewhere FedEx was the only one I could find with actual pricing instead of quotes) so that takes it to AUD$6400 compared to importing a 2JZGTE w/VVT-I from Japan AUD$7360. There isn't a great load of difference but you are going to save nearly AUD$1000.

@@jamesrobertson3853 mate the market for importing Barras should be booming. I'm surprised that it isn't. We have millions of them, they are in every taxi and basic run about sedan. It's our version of the Crown Victoria.

@@madmyles9507 First of all, it's spelt "they" not "thay", did you fail kindergarten or something? Second, ford should have imported the Australian built Barra to the US and put it in the Mustang. How don't you get this? Here's a link to help you out dsf.net.au/teaching-reading-for-older-students-adults/

@@TVperson1 | imagine if someone like FPV or better (Dyno-mite Performance) got involved with the Engine builds and were sent stateside for those 'Stangs....Prob be more Stangs on the road than there already is in Brisbane 🤣🤣

Because then it would compete directly with the V8, stock or modded. A FBO tuned Barra with a bigger, stock replacement turbo would wipe the floor with a FBO mustang

The thing would have been a lead tipped arrow. Same as the modular V8 falcons. Now if the Barra was an alloy block...........

It would've done fuck all, Holden went down as well as ford, it was all about the trade laws and importing in materials and maintaining employees in the age of automation. Japan, China and Korea were smashing it with fully automated robotic systems and cheap as chips materials imported via strong trade relationships with other nations which Australia just could not compete with. On top of this the Falcon's were designed like the Mustangs of yesteryear where you have all different models at all different price ranges and all different power outputs. You'd have people who want the V8's (the xr8), the straight six but that performance style (the xr6), the luxury for all your business endeavours (Fairlane and Fairmont), the everyday driver who just wants a good reliable car (the XT) and lastly those who want the most performance ford could offer (The FPV range). This whole system meant everyone could get their perfect falcon and made their cars unique opposed to factory made standard off the shelf shit that Asian countries were making for next to nothing. Unfortunately that novelty wore off, the whole way the Australian car market worked no longer aligned with how Australia made cars. Breaking up the manufacturing facilities to only make engines to export to America couldn't have saved the Australian car industry in the same way that exporting Monaro's to the UK underneath Pontiac didn't save Holden.

My mates intech 4.0l has done over 1 million klms, amazing engines

I daily an is300 since 215k miles, sitting at 312k rn. No major motor problems, seals are the only issue I’ve had so far

3.7l?

We need a link or something, Mate...otherwise its Vaporware. 👌

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Still looking for the 2200 run, this was the day before

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Same lol🤣

Not sure if this guys a being a cunny funt but the missus drives Territory (which has a Barra), I have a red top XR6T that I'm working on in the shed, and the last time I caught a taxi to the pub (cause nowadays it's all uber), it was a falcon black cabs that I tripped over getting out of 😂

GM built it vetter

@@AKK5I me the same.

I read this in an Australian accent

This is true, it is also true that Barra is named after the 'Barramundi' fish, which is known for its fighting spirit, speed and agility.

Hahahah

Yep, “Flies high and shits on practically everything”. I remember reading that around the time that the BA was just coming out.

Dingo was the code name for the NA I6 and Gull was the turbo I6 code name :)

Nice

How hard was it to locate and import? Realllllyyy want to swap this engine in a us car. What is your swap for?

While yes they are cheap in Australia they are a little more pricey to get imported and through customs here in the US. I went through dominator Motorsports for mine

Utes and trucks are different things. We had similar Utes in the use from the 50s-80s in the form of the El Camino and for ranchero

I call Utes car trucks 😂 bad ass machines though!

@@cameronmarshall7865 oh yeah 1k+🤔

I think he was looking at aftermarket support from an American viewpoint. Since the motor wasn't released in the U.S. there are very few American aftermarket companies that produce parts for it. Of course Americans can always order parts out of Australia but availability of aftermarket parts sitting on the shelf is a big difference when your car is broken. This is the main reason the LS gm engines are so popular in the U.S. Tons of aftermarket parts sitting on shelves waiting to be sold right here in the U.S.

Back when we used to make things in this country.

How u doin

As an American, I wish Ford Australia never closed their doors, or any of the other manufacturers down there. I would have been first in line if Ford imported the Falcon here. That engine would have been great in half ton pickup trucks too.

@@broncomikey6681 Oh you mean a ute, yeah it would have been amazing.

A lot of Barras now being imported into South Africa. Not enough Territorys there to supply the engines the big horsepower brigade want! Conversely Ford Fairmont GTs are being exported from South Africa to Australia; export version of the Falcon GT originals of which now fetch eye watering prices.

apachelives have you ever tried breaking a fuel cap off of a b series falcon?

@@wadeshinners437 Haha no? Difficult?

😆😆😆

@@wadeshinners437 that is a suspiciously suspicious selling point lol

apachelives me and my mates tryed it out and required being belted by a floor jack, being stood on while open and absolutely flogged with a scissor jack before breaking off

There's literally tens of stock internal supras running 500plus rwkw. Was even onenpushing 670rwkw

@@adamhsr a later barra can do that too. With 4 litres of displacement and an undersquare design the Barra makes huge torque compared to a 2J. Make no mistake, making 1000hp from 3 litres requires a big turbo and big revs, lag is a given you can't avoid that.The stock gt3582r from the BA-BF will support more power than the twins on a Supra before they went to the GT3576 in the FG. The 2J is also expensive to buy, the Getrag V160 6 speed costs more than a 2J itself and the A340 auto is only a 4 speed. The Barra has better options for gearboxes too.

@@vlt873 the gearbox comes with the car. And so does it's big diff. Silly to count them as additional. The supra gearbox is much better than the Ford's. I know fpvs autos fucking up at the 500rwkw mark after some time. There's like 1200hp supras still running the getrag. Also the big diff is also great on the supra.

@@adamhsr the autos were bad but the manual tremec tr6060 and t56 gearboxes paired with the barra are near invincible.

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Big lob =nice chop

Cams, springs, intercooler and plumbing, intake relocation mods = easy power after a tune. Bigger turbo isn't initially required as it's already pretty large. Downside is the land boats they're fitted in.

Check our “ghost cam” for Barra

@@berrybum74 A feature that is mostly show as you can't run it for long or it damages the engine and cats. Check out zac baldy.

I can fit any cam to any engine dik.?.

Barely makes 2000 lol

@@Name-yp3pi type up 2000hp barra, they exist

@@aidan5720 yeh ik I was just saying

@@aidan5720 even tho right now they do make up to 2200hp. 2jz makes up to 4000hp but it’s pricey

@@Name-yp3pi anything past 600hp is major overkill anyways, but barras are also 11 years younger then 2JZs, theres still alot of potential and parts for barras. 2JZs are expensive, getting worn out and hard to replace.

Mate time to buy a Toyota corola u wasting to much fuel in the counrty

@@pharith7883 4L barras aren't fuel hogs unless you thrash them. And I've used a corola in the past and fuel usage is not that much lower. Also the barra will last much longer, it does most of its work at low rpm and is generally stress free. I do alot of highway driving for hours on end at 110 kmh and the barra will generally rev at 2100 rpm. The corola has less km on the clock but is already burning oil

​@@pharith7883my XT with a full exhaust, intake and tune gets 9.9L per 100ks at 100ks an hour on a highway, it jumps to 14.5 in town/city though.

And it's very nearly at 385,000Ks it's getting a turbo setup until it dies and I either rebuild the motor or just find myself an FG Turbo block

1000hp in a barra is nothing these days they're pushing past 3000hp on cast blocks now, and over 4000hp on billet blocks

@@dylandesmond the fastest drag car barra pushes 2200 where did you get these numbers?

@@dylanjones2226 look up bullet race engineering they make billet barras, my 14.3mm headstuds haven't moved yet and I'm just at 2000hp dynoed on a cast block with a 16mm girdle and stock caps, I'll be upgrading them as they're the last part in my whole motor that hasn't been replaced. That's on a v15 vortech. They were hitting 2200hp on cast blocks 2 years ago... technology has improved a lot since

@@dylanjones2226 and that was 2 years ago on a destroked 3.7L at only 8500rpm on a 10500rpm setup

@@dylanjones2226 when bullet first released their barras they were rated to 3000hp, people have blown them around 4500hp on the dyno

I always forget that you guys get our aussie cars in SA.

Yup! Saw some going for R8500. They the NA ones though, i think.

Buy them mate its the same motor they don't have to be turboed just put a set of pistons and rods in get yourself a turbo and your away👍🏻

@@captainzoll3303 I lived in Africa before moving to Australia. Never seen an Aussie car

@@twistentiger5610 in south africa though?

Well the Barra is a more torquey motor so it’s no surprise it walked on a GE with only 210lb ft (assuming it was stock)

All the ports are there for the turbo just like how Nissan makes engine that are (det) everyone knows if the engine number ends with (DE) it can have a turbo easy just plug and play, ford did the same thing all the 2006+ barra engines have same size rods and pistons as the green top engine and has all ports to be drilled out for turbo!

Design for the jz was Yamaha, 2jz is very similar to 1jz ( few changes ) so credit for design should go to Yamaha

@@patrickjohnson6448 Yamaha designed the Head for the 1JZGTE and revision headwork for the 2JZGTE (which is a smaller percentage of assistance). That's why 1JZGTE covers have Yamaha stamped on them but the 2JZGTE does not. The bottom half of the engine, over-engineered oil-pump, pistons, rods, crankshaft, metallurgy, quality control, siamese bore, water/oil galleries and everything else not part of the head is all Toyota's engineering which is also very creditable in a larger % than Yamaha.

No

And it was AWESOME.👌😎

Yes they did. He first one had problems. Luckily they had another engine available and made one from the two. I watched that series.

@@markbremmer8642 yeah that's Benny's custom works and skid factory.

#8secondcresta

@@markbremmer8642 The problem he had with the Barra in the Cresta was a dropped valve. That was a complete fluke.

Mine is at 3000 ks

Sitting on 500km

Neighbours says his is at over 2mil lol sceptical but possible hahah

100%!

@@swingking08 i heard it stops counting at 999.999k

Jim’s KFC zinger boxes nope hates barras

@@shaynewilliams8045 pissfunny 🤣🤣

What is Holden? Oh that's right the deceased name plate for GM in Australia. Apparently Holden passed away 10 years ago, didn't stop GM funneling millions of Australian tax payer dollars back to the US just before they turned off the life support though. Way back when, before GM interference, Holden was a iconic manufacturing company in Australia.

William Stewart even with ur pointless facts it’s still better then ford

I am a Holden fan and the barra is a pearler of an engine.

On a proper drag strip it's 4.1 seconds, pretty good for a heavy family car without launch control.

@@Levi-qb2uf Wow that's even better. Absolutely. 😁👍

they have launch control

My old man bought one, the thing was a weapon, couldnt believe it when he sold it

also almost all of them are sitting in unmolested family cars

I got a turbo on my one

@@HeanieBlat that's basically what they mean here....

Come to Adelaide then say that again 🤣🤣 fords are thrashed out to the Max even family cars, you don't think old mate gets pissed off with kids yelling in the back and some dickhead doing 40 in a 60 zone

Did you say a newer motor ? This motor started life in 1961 as the 144ci Falcon motor , evolving to the 170ci Super Pursuit motor then the 188 ci , 200ci and 250ci 2V motor after that came the 3.3 and 4.1 litre which are just metric 200 and 250 but adding Canted Valve V8 Cleveland style heads that finally came in alloy and EFI , then in 1987 they slapped a OHC head on the 200 and 250 but called them their real displacements 3.2 litre and 4.0 litre , then the next evolution is the Barra with DOHC head and finally a turbo. All one engine line back to the 144ci in 1961. To prove a point , a Barra crank will fit in a 1961 144ci six , same bellhousing , flywheel , starter and the list goes on , even same bore spacing , long way from a new engine.

contact dominator motorsports they have stock in usa

You might want to see what Adam LZ is doing with his burnt out 2020 shelby, he's putting a Barra in and eventually aiming for 1400 HP supposedly.

221 2v😅

You're a legend man

Haha I wish 🤣

@@TheZuprachannel anyone that owns a 1000hp is a legend in my book

@@Legend-lc9bv Expand your library.

@@Enthusiastlist I know cars you never heard of it is expanded but I love supras

Same here, the awesome thing is that my English teacher from last year has an FG Falcon XR6 and she is also a bit of a car enthusiast which is awesome but i totally agree with you

better ... NO The barra has weak links as does the RB26 has. So it cannot produce the same power level as the 2JZ before it breaks.

No its not lol

Good luck with eating 2jz .. youll behunted by hunter mate.... ive been in barra and 2z... barra i nowhere clos 😅😅😅😅 just becaise u have barra doesnt mean ur faster sound like a kid... neve surpass 2jz

Akag Man Uhhhh I kinda have no clue on what you were trying to say.

@@Chavster-wf8db well that tells me u cant read for shit and go learn how to read... simple

@@shapy1188 no, you just can't type mate. Barras are dominating pretty much every 6cyl drag class that they are in, you're just a stupid fanboy... simple

@@shapy1188 I had a 2j soarer when I was a kid,now I'm older and have kids,I have a turbo Barra family car..have you ever owned either to have a valid opinion?

I don't think it will be a modern gt ho because they have different purposed and have a fair amount of differences. But undoubtedly the xr6 sprint is really cool and is already a collectable that will keep going up in value.

Legend

Awesome, i love that its a 4 door r33 too it seems kinda fitting!

Pics I literally want to do the exact same thing

You sure about that? My stock SC300 with a 2JZ-GE with 218k on it sure loves burnouts. Spins it’s tires even when I’m not trying. Maybe you should stop shilling and saying dumb shit

Im from Texas never seen a barra engine but now i would like to swap it on my s13 but I don't know anything about that engine or if anyone has done the swap

@Disobey Negatively thanks

barras hate burnouts lmao - everyone ive seen at a comp has shit the bed

That’s so cheap! 🤯

160? you could buy an entire good condition VCT Intech AU for $100 with less K's on it!

Is there different between NA and turbo internal and block?

Can confirm, picked 2 up fully dressed for $500 with harnesses and ECUs for my Cressida and landcruiser.

Damn this is text book definition of dirt cheap

Anthony Suarez Fitment issues and weight savings. Mostly fitment. 6 cylinders in the length of 3-4 makes it way easier to build something FWD.

Is that the vortex 4200

@Anthony Suarez you also run into trouble with the crankshaft twisting at big power in I6s. V6 have much shorter crank so it is less likely to twist at the same power levels.

Australia made a fwd straight six once!

@@alexjohnward what's that because I can't remember 🤔

Mark Atkinson You can get 2K HP out of a Barra with half of the thing stock. Something the 2J can’t even do. Not to mention the 2J doesn’t remain much reliable after 850 HP. Blew my mind when I heard about the Barra’s potential.

@@infiniteblaz3416 I agree the barra is strong but I can't ignore the statement of the 2k hp barra (Maria Passos’ RIPSS XR6 Turbo) being half stock. The only thing barely stock was the block, it was even de-stroked. BUT the Barra block seems to definitely support more power than the 2JZGTE can, due to obviously the fact that it's a larger displacement. Barra's are only good for drag racing. I dare say it would be good for track and maybe drifting, the 2JZ is already quite heavy for in swapped cars, causing the nose to be quite front weight bias, I can't imagine how much a Barra would have an effect on the front.. so in the end, the 2JZGTE is more balanced and therefor overall better only by just a little bit. Barra is definitely better in the Drag racing application.

@@kenthang3729 2J is just as good as the Barra in drag racing just slightly less in supporting power. I wouldn’t say it’s a balanced motor at all. It’s heavy to the point where you can’t even use it well on the track.

There's something fantastic about driving a car with a motor that has more than 3L displacement. I got my Vette and was astonished at the torque at 900rpm compared to my mini that has no torque until I'm at 4000 rpm and have boost.

V8S were done , are you on drugs , any person who loves cars will tell you the V8 is king , the Barra is nice and an oddity but real grunt is a V8 ! As far as Done well the Barra is done and dusted , while GM has just brought out a new V8 the 5.5 litre Quad Cam as for Ford it has the new push rod 442ci Small Block Godzilla and 5.0 quad Cam ! I'll swap a Barra for a V8 any day ! And this isn't the first time there was a fossil fuel scare , if you remember all this happened much worse in the 1970s /80s Ford stopped making V8S available in the 80s six cylinders were the go ! And what a mistake , Holden took over sales, soon the tide will turn and people will again want the smooth V8 grunt .

That's what I was thinking. It had to be under 300hp

JSpec was 280hp 320hp was the export version. There are a few differences between engines too as the Jspec had faster spooling ceramic turbos with a MAP sensor and the Export had steel turbos with a MAF sensor.

Yep same time, mines nizpro tuned, lowly 287kw at the wheels and 770nm torques lol. Very basic mods, stock plumbing and intercooler. 9.8L/100km

Eddie Otero It’s made by Ford Australia, so they are technically the same brand just a different branch of products

Fords are built in many countries but each division of the company has restrictions on where they can sell so that they are not cutting into each others market space. If it was open slather then there would be a lot of issues such as stocking global spare parts range at every location, the cost of crash and emissions compliance for every country, advertising costs for numerous different products, technical training, special tools, the list goes on and on. Nice for the buyer but a major headache for the manufacturer.

The Barra is only the inline 6. Boss was the 5.4 V8 and Miami was the supercharged 5.0

@@cams290 You might want to do a quick search mate and I think you will find I'm correct.

Hahaha

Exactly, 325 kw Barra factory, same as the LS 6.2 GTS

I made over 400rwkw on a 03 ba engine with only valve springs Got a fg gas engine in a different car now making 450rwkw lol

Mate he is talking reliable power 450hp is pushing the ba T engine, they are garbage, the sohc is the better version Barra and older. The bf mk2 to Fg engine yeah you might be safe at 600hp, You are on borrowed time. The engine is that bad they have to destroke the over hyped tractor engine.

I have 07 bf xr6 turbo after 06 they have typhoon bottom end.. I believe you'd get more than 500hp.. stock turbo alone is good for 350rwkws..

@@Granty4510 no!

Au falcon has an intech in it not a Barra, similar but weaker rotating assembly, block and head plus it’s a single cam motor

But the Barra motor is the fastest in delivering power and at low power. Didn't you hear the video?

The 2JZ engine is really powerful, but the Barra engine is stronger than it for many reasons, including the speed of power transmission at low revs, and its only problem is that it is very large and does not match on some vehicles

Yup, My 2004 Territory is at 874000km & still going strong, Never seen a 2jz even close to 400000km

Most taxis I saw were fitted with the factory LPG fuel system.

@@Steindog1967, lmao you obviously aren’t very experienced with 2Js. Mine is personally at just under 230k miles or 370k km and doing just fine. Know plenty of people with 2Js with over 300k miles. Stupidly easy to work on and maintain and don’t like to break. Mine sure doesn’t anyway.

@@Steindog1967 5years ? 140 kms by days all days? seriously?

@@guillaumed8107 Get your calculator out son, 2004-2020 is 16 years, Territory is now @ 1.1mill km

2jz block is stronger you can get more power, rather go with the jz

@@nathantaylor4043 it's a generally accepted fact that the barra block is stronger and as a platform more overall power potential. Don't get me wrong, both are amazing engines.. but facts are facts.

You can buy a barra for like 150$ because it was on hundred of thousands of fords for nearly two decades. 2j isn’t much better and weighs 500 pounds with its iron reinforced block

@@johnherbold6539 your trying to draw comparisons that just are not there in Europe anyway. A Google search shows zero Barra packaged cars for sale anywhere in Europe. However a Google search for cars with 2j's is more than I can count. Weight wise the barra fully loaded with ancillaries sits around 255/260kg Vs the 2jz at around 220/230

They’r surprisingly not that much bigger. I pulled the 1jzvvti out of my Cressida that now has a built NA Barra in it and it’s still got similar clearance in the places that matter

Well if that's all that you're taking into account, then the barra wins hands down. They cost almost nothing here and the aftermarket support in Aus/NZ is great

@@craigmandall9420 And in that very outcome it loses making the 2J the winner also. Great chat