Barret & Dyne... Enough said - 14 - FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH 

This. When I did my play through it made me tear up. One of the only moments Cloud puts his guard down fully and is there for someone 100%. It was so sweet of him

@@someoneelse9680 Because he truly does know what it's like. What happened to Coral, and what happened to Barret & Dyne, isn't all that different from what happened to Nibelheim, and what happened to Cloud & Tifa due to Sephiroth & Jenova. In this moment, Cloud & Tifa are probably the only people who can truly understand Barret's pain and grief here.

Cloud and Barret's relationship has always been a foster father/son relationship though neither of them would admit it. Remake/Rebirth really developed on that. If Barret is on that Gold Saucer ride with Cloud, it really proves that with Barret basically telling Cloud that he wants him to be happy in that way a father would tell his son

I love that line as well. For me that line is what makes that part between Cloud and Barret "hit". Funny how the addition of such a small line can have such an impact. A huge part of that of course is the VA and as everyone has said the whole cast is amazing.

@@antonironstag5085 Yeah I watched a vid with all the GS dates and the "date" with Barret is great at showing that dynamic between them. They are all well done IMO. Yuffies is just cute, the way Cloud pretened reacts to Yuffies punches. And I love the one with Red, it's cute seeing him acting his age like puppy. But my fav part is at the end, when Red in his natural voice thanks Cloud for the talk and says "You're good company", and Cloud's reaction is to just smile, get down on one knee and pet Red.

He was always acting as the group's "rock of reliability", so that they could lean on him for support when they needed it, and yet here he's just lost a friend who was more like a brother to him than anything, and now all Barret has left is the team and Marlene.... All of his strength and a gun for an arm, and yet it was all worth nothing when it came to trying to save his best friend both from himself and Shinra. He tried so hard to get to Dyne....to save him from himself, but Dyne was already too far gone to save.... And neither Barret or Dyne deserved anything that had happened to them, but Shinra took everything from both of them. Both of them deserved far better. But at least Cloud is there to support Barret when he needs it most, to repay Barret for always being there for the rest of them when it counted most. Yet another reason for us to hate and want to take Shinra down.

In a way, I think that was Dyne telling Barret to keep living, and to never let himself give in to the weight of all of that pain, guilt, and sadness, so that he can be there for Marlene in Dyne's stead whenever she needs it. Dyne was so twisted and bitter that he couldn't express it properly, but I'm sure that if Dyne hadn't since gone mad, hw likely would have thanked Barret for saving Marlene and caring for her in his place, as a sane Dyne likely would have understood that Barret thought he'd died, and that if Barret had even the slightest idea that he might have been alive, that Barret would have done everything in his power to find Dyne and bring him back to Marlene.

Aside from the rest of the team, at this point all Barret really had left in the world was Dyne and Marlene, and yet now even Dyne is gone. Shinra has just taken yet another thing he held dear from him. First Coral, then the Sector 7 Slums with the loss of Biggs, Wedge, & Jessie, and now he's even lost Dyne on top of it. It doesn't matter how strong or tough you are, _everyone_ has a breaking point. And Barret finally reached his breaking point here. It's little wonder why he hates Shinra so much. I only hope that when we finally get to give Scarlett her comeuppance, that we can make it _HURT_ her as much as possible. She's hurt and killed so many people just to satisfy her own sadism, that it's far past time for her to get what's coming to her. The same goes for Hojo and Heidegger.... The only arguably "decent" people in Shinra's "top brass" in my eyes would be Reeve, Rude, & Reno (and possibly Elena depending on how she's portrayed in the future)....and _MAYBE_ Rufus as well depending on how things go (considering the fact that he called out the Shinra Heads for not even trying to talk his father out of dropping the Sector 7 plate, which shows that Rufus does not share his father's callous and heartless disregard for the lives of innocents). Honestly, I kinda hope that they turn Rufus into a sort of Anti-Hero/Anti-Villain who is legitimately trying to change Shinra for the better (which Reeve would very likely back him up with), possibly even to the point that he eventually becomes an outright ally and possibly a party member later.

Yep. And they also make you wish that there was a way to save him....or at least give him the chance to see Marlene in person one last time.... But at least this time, they turned Dyne's death into a moment of redemption for him, rather than him remaining a madman until his dying breath. In the original, his response to learning that Marlene was alive was to say that he wanted to *"Send her to Eleanor, since she must be lonely."* But here, he only wants Marlene to stay safe and be happy.

They made it a lot louder and removed all the truly heartbreaking lines, most notably Barret's line about also having bloodstained hands. I definitely think the original still hits harder, even with the sometimes awkward translation.

To be fair Barret mentions having blood on his hands in a scene before this.

Yeah that's one of my few complaints about Rebirth. The pacing is just plain off in multiple parts. They will go right from a extremely emotional moment to gooft, or action. This scene is a perfect example IMO. We get the death of Dyne, Barret's VA blowing it out of the water, and the BOOM boss fight with goofy Palmer in his robot. Then back to emotional between Barret and Cloud, then a few seconds later action with the Turks showing up. They need to give these scenes just a bit of time to "breathe".

Same ur not alone this hit me and I was not ok 😭😭

@@AlphazXG_ I played the game

Well i wouldnt say it was THAT bad now. It still hits hard imo but yes, something was lost here too. I prefer the OG too but i cant say it was done or handled terrible.

Agreed. I think in part it's purposeful as I think we'll get a much more emotional retelling including the *Spoliers* The water burial, and Cloud's lines will be seen (probably through Tifa's eyes) as her, and the rest of the crew are firmly rooted in reality, and in this timeline. Rebirth seems to be about seeing the party dynamics of a deteriorating Cloud, and from that asking: Is Cloud saveable? We're supposed to feel a little unnerved with Cloud right now, amd they leaned into that feeling of Cloud becoming more and more like a monster against our will. In that way I expect we will get an extremely faithful retelling of the OG emotional death to open part 3, which will then be followed by the party grieving, before exiting city of the Ancients, and exploring that whole northern region as we push north.

@@malpercio123 Spoilers ahead The game very much implies that Cloud has it even worse by the end than in the og. He seemingly believes Aerith survived given that he never once gives direct acknowledgement that he can see her to the rest of the crew. Aside from Cloud still being influenced by Sephiroth since we still need the proper scene of giving the black materia to him, we skipped over the entire Aerith death scene, seeing only flashes of the original. Which means the inevitable Nibelheim truth regarding Zack will likely be in conjunction with Cloud having to face the reality of Aerith's death. Cloud already had it rough in the third part of the og but if what they're doing with what's implied in the new game, Cloud's life is gonna be an even worse hell than before

That says more about this scene than the ending. Both are handled fine imo, as Cloud has yet to mentally understand the weight and impact of what he lost at the end due to his psyche.

Yeah the pacing is def off in multiple parts of Rebirth. Multiple times where they will give a emotional moment just zero time to sink in etc and go right to action or comedy etc.

Yeah the pacing in Rebirth is just plain bad in multiple spots. I think this one is a perfect example. The writers need to give these parts at least SOME time to "sink in". But like you said, we get the emotional (and amazingly well voice acted) part where Dyne dies and then BOOM wacky/goofy boss fight with Palmer in a robot. Then another emotional moment between Cloud and Barret and then BOOM action with the Turks and the chase etc.

Yes! That's my biggest (and really my only big complaint) about Rebirth. The pacing. It is just so off in multiple parts it gives you whiplash. They def need to improve how they pace things and give emotional moments like when Dyne dies SOME time for you to "process" etc. But instead, it's the emotional part with Barret (and his VA killing it), and BAM goofy/wacky boss fight with Palmer in his big robot.

Just replayed the orig. As he falls to his death and barret cries out. Cloud literally just stands there emotionless saying nothing lol. He barely gave a crap about the situation to begin with lol. You preferred that? Lol okay. That our protagonist stays a stupid azzhole about the situation? oh mannn haha. FF is a goofy franchise. There's these lil white cat guys called moogles. There's these big fat chickens you can ride. And it's anime crapp so every character must pant or make some kind of grrrr like verbal que after everything they say lol. And you wish it was as deep and emotional as romeo and juliet dying lol. Aint ever gunna happen but stay mad I guess. Mean while I will enjoy the silly and the serious that this game mixes together without giving a single f about how you feel about it. I kind of like it more since it pisses you off lol.

Not just a tear jerker but when Cloud hands him his weapon, tells him they need him, and that they are here for him........ It's stuff like that that keeps us going in this cruel world ya know? You may be up against a wall but your friends still got your back no matter what : )

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 true. A sadness but also a hope through it all Still brings tears to the eyes of many emotions

Pretty sure that Gus had him tied up as he stated before he had the perpertrator locked up.

@@xKayNee the whole Gus situation makes no sense. Dyne was able to clap multiple infantryman but got captured by thugs/pimps in tight jeans

@@AlphazXG_ I mean original wasn't perfect neither in their handling of Dyne and Corel Prison too. But Dyne was found to have a mental breakdown when Barret got to him, that could have played a part. Also his business seems to be with Shinra, dont think he was shown to have killed anybody else.

​@xKayNee Civilian and staff casualties were confirmed by Dio, so Dyne did kill innocent people, too. As for how Dyne got captured by Gus and his men, the thugs managed to catch the party by surprise and knock them out. They probably did the same trick to Dyne when he went down the elevator and tried to start something down there.

@@the_oc_maniac8972 Well said! Yeah don't fall off a cliff and bump your noggin. You might come back as a gun arm guy who kills whoever lol.

Barret's right leg was shot moments before he attempted to lift Dyne, so I'm gonna guess that's the reason he couldn't lift him up in this fantasy game.

You just need to accept the games go by the rule of cool. The characters are as strong as they need to be at any given point.

Don't forget that muscle man dio actually lost to rude in a strength test fight but later, barret, with one punch from his weak arm, defeats rude like it was nothing lol. Barett is captain america levels of strength apparently. No lol more like thor. AND will shoot you like hawkeye. Why does he need the team again? Bro could take on shinra himself I'd say lololol. I gotta say though. I don't think it does bug you so much. You keep typing lol. You clearly think it's funny because of how silly it is. So do I haha. Just go with it boss. Lil stuff doesn't matter much. I got into a argument with some nit picker about the fall out show. Why didn't the ghoul take advantage of the weak chest plate flaw when he fights maximus, but then totally takes advantage of this during a later fight with power armor guys... It's a good point lol it doesn't make much sense. Did he forget? Does only special ammo get through the chest plate that he didn't have earlier? Did he not take maximus very seriously so he didn't think to just str8 up kill him right away? See how this is getting out of control? I just wanna see a fun show yo. I don't wanna sit here and nit pick like crazy. Anyone can do that and it's boring. Also what renoistic said.

Well it's better than him sayin "I forgive you" to Barret, like... Dyne was so lost already, he was sick of all Shinra bs, I think his death was a nice change... one thing they could have improved is the shinra soldiers showing up, in the game they look like they showed up from nowhere. Still... Dyne's death managed to hit hard, bad pacing with Palmer boss fight

​@@TheKiburedoDio said the Turks were looking for him. Shinra showing up flows from that.

A lot of things changed in these gamss and most people agree this hit better. Sorry you ou didn't enjoy it but it's a remake not a remaster

All of the responses to you are good. Sorry but I disagree. Him falling to his death with barret being super sad and then it just fades to black as if it never happened and cloud didn't seem to care much and didn't even say anything when dyne dies sooo... I think this is wayyy better in the remake lol.