Why don't we have high quality pictures of all of our equipment. Idk there are just so many ways you can prove it true but they don't do any of them. The backpacks they made would never have done what they claim. So much sussy stuff with the moon landing.
This dude saying every day there is a 50% chance so being on the moon three days means there’s a 150% chance LITERALLY MADE ME DUMBER BY HEARING IT. I’m dying inside.
Your math isn't correct. Probability is multiplicative, not additive. So it's 50% first day, 75% being hit day 1 or 2. 87.5% being hit on day 1, 2, or 3. But your point is correct.
@@fordifly1368 According to a recent NASA spokesperson they need to solve the problem of going through the Van Allen radiation belt before they can go to the moon!!!
@@bkanthack "NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing. Since then, Richard Nafzger, an engineer at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who oversaw television processing at the ground-tracking sites during the Apollo 11 mission, has been looking for them."
I don't know whether it was fake or not. The only thing I know that doesn't make sense is we've been planning to go back to the moon for a while now and it just seems damn near impossible to even get anything to land on it right. If you done something 5 or 6 times 50 years ago it should be no problem doing it now
You can literally see the shit they left behind on the moon with telescopes, there are a lot of pictures. I also think that the reason they destroyed a lot of the technology and stuff was because they didn't want the Russians to get ahold of it.
40 years ago everyone thought airliners would follow Concorde lead and air travel would be at Mach 3. How did that work out? Money speaks. Concorde was too expensive to operate and despite 27 years of operation, only had one fatal accident, but it was scrapped and despite all the advances in technology, airlines prioritised capacity over speed. The same goes for the Apollo programme. The reason it has funded, was because of the Cold War, as the Soviets started to scale back and wane, interest shifted towards profitable low orbit space technology for satellite launchs, GPS, telecommunications etc. The best rebuttal to the Moon landing was a hoax theory, was the Soviet's response. They even begrudgingly printed it in Pravda that the hated Americans had landed on the moon. So the Soviet's best scientist's accepted it as fact, despite have every reason to dismiss it.
The budget and manpower were like 50 fold higher in the 1960s, and it still took a decade. While we've always planned on going back, serious plans and money to do it are very recent events. Also, while the physics and math are the same, the technology we're going to use is astronomically (pun intended) different. This means we are basically designing, testing, and building everything from scratch.
Bad math: The calculation is not 50% + 50% + 50% = 150%. Probability is conditional. The proper calculation is 100% - 50%^3 = 87.5% chance of getting hit or rather, a 12.5% chance of not getting hit. No reason to think his 50% figure is correct either.
I'm half way through the interview and this guy is so f***ing stupid. First the flag moving slightly as the astronaut jumps past is static electricity. 2nd lead acid batteries did not power the lunar module it was a fuel cell, tanks of O2 and hydrogen. Simple things he should know. There are better arguments to be made then he is bringing.
@@JSSTygeryeah. On Sept.9 2002. I totally would've done it too. Aldrin won the self defense case cuz buddy was such a douche about everything (and didn't seek medical attention afterwards)
I'm willing to bet Bart would turn down the opportunity to debate a Astronaut because he knows it would make him look bad and he would sell less books.
I saw a live talk with Neil Armstrong. Of course, someone asked him what he says when people challenge that they actually went. His answer, brilliant: He said "I don't worry about it. Someday, someone will go back, and they'll find all the crap we left up there."
@@DukeHard you want them to call out the US and incur sanctions & Cia operations? No ones gonna speak out on the world stage like that , theres literally 0 political benefit
@@Flat_Earth_Addy Because he gives these arguments that are REALLY EASY to refute. For me, I wish Joe would allow me to sit with him for 30 minutes and write down his best arguments for why we did not go to the moon. Then, I would spend some time on each argument and do research on the web, then I would come back a few days later and have rebuttals for each of his points. It'd be TOO EASY. Because the moon landing is a fact. My father (and mother, both) worked for General Dynamics who helped develop some of the stuff needed for the moon missions, and (when I was a kid) I saw some of it. Thousands and thousands and thousands of people that all broke the problem down into smaller tasks, and America conquered each of those different obstacles. So, it's ludricious to believe that we did not go to the moon. It's too easy to prove that we did.
So, in ways, @KyleKnickerB, is right. The more to listen to someone who is defending quite a contrary position with only arguments like HOW DID THE CAMERA MOVE WHEN SOMEONE NOT THERE TO MOVE IT? And, that's the best argument he has? Or, they DESTROYED ALL THE SCHEMATICS FOR THE EQUIPMENT or ALL THE RECORDINGS TAPES WERE DESTROYED. Well, they destroyed the schematics (probably more lost them), because I said it above. It's like keeping blueprints for the Horse and Buggy. Why keep it? Because no one is gonna build a horse and buggy anymore, and technology for NASA's equipment was outdated before it was even launched. Always, with stuff like that, it is always outdated before used, similar to Microsoft and Xbox where the consoles sold are years behind what is available in PC space -- because it takes time to get through the design phase and make millions of console, and you always do it on hardware and architecture that is already in use, so it's cheap, cheap, cheap to produce. Thus, that's why all of NASA's plans are just junk and useless, worthy of the trash bin. Maybe keep a few plans somewhere, but rest would just be scrapped or recycled. It's take campus-size facilities to store it, keep it air-conditioned, keep it guarded where people won't break-in and sleep there, etc. Basically, this stuff is so simple to defend and to understand, if you drop the conspiracies viewpoint.
Since the moon landing, no human has traveled beyond Earth's orbit, which was a new realization for me. It's as if we're experiencing a reverse Moore's Law in space exploration.
Kept track throughout this video and can't find a single thing Bart said that was true. The closest he got was talking about Starship requiring several refuels to go to the Moon, but it's not even relevant cause Starship is a completely different launch vehicle.
Bro doesn’t understand that when Werner von Braun said it would take three rockets to go to the moon, he built a three stage rocket. Dramatically reduces weight and increases Delta V.
Watch NASA’s videos on the challenges of rockets and how going past low earth orbit is impossible with them. You need links or are you capable of finding them?
@@MediaLieDetector I’m not familiar with what you are talking about feel free to send some links. I’m a freshman in aerospace engineering, I would assume you just need to reach escape velocity and have a high Delta V. Which is why it is better to have a three stage rocket. Instead of sending 6.5 million pounds to the moon you are only sending a 63,500 pound Command Service Module(including lunar lander) Each stage gets faster because the rocket loses a lot of mass and is still accelerating. Guy in video doesn’t know what he is talking about. Likely quoting Werner von Braun out of context. I bet he did say that going to the moon would require three rockets, that’s why he built a three stage rocket. The reason I believe in other conspiracies but not this one is because you would think by now there would have been an aerospace engineer that understands the equations of orbital mechanics and equations like the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation that would disprove that the Saturn V was able to go to the moon. The rocket was capable of taking men to the moon and back, therefore we did take men to the moon and back
It was so satisfying to see you unable to respond to someone you KNOW has actual knowledge on a subject you regularly try to talk down to people about. Not so easy when its not your gullible friends, is it pal? @@MediaLieDetector
The delay is IMMATERIAL, it could be 5 seconds, 5 hours, or 5 days, as long as you take the delay into account. Sibrel not understanding that simple fact sort of discredits him a lot.
yeah its like, how would they have not already figured that out? I'm pretty sure they tested/knew/understood the time delay long before that craft ever left earth.. i hear dem rocket scientist are pretty good with dem maths
We have rovers on mars rn that have 13 minutes, 48 seconds delay. NASA is not new to this concept lol. Also 3 second delay for voice around the world is just wrong. idk what "modern technologies" he is thinking of, but something as simple as discord can achieve around a 0.41 seconds even on the other side of the earth
Exaaaaactly. Like they could have tested it and practiced by timing a damn hand movement on the moons surface before liftoff even to make sure it was timed right. Common sense. This guy lacks it
1969 - Went to the moon 2024 - We lost the technology to go to the moon, but we created the iPhone, iPad, AI, V/R.....sent probes to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.....
Already been there 6 times, so the funding was cut. You can’t go there without a gigantic budget. It took a long time to find a cheaper way to carry humans there without that original 1960s government funding paying for everything.
@@fishrenfroeboyd7954 Learn to read...they claimed the lost the technology that they had to go to the moon meaning they lost the documentation which is absolute bullshit using today's tech it should be WAY easier to go to the moon..I call bullshit on their statement that they "lost it"
The sheer amount of fuel even 1/6 of Saturn rocket to get off the moon I mean come on the tanks would be bigger than the lunar lander easily. This is coming from a believer too.
It's a clear farce. Its hard to keep a huge lie like this alive. It's so funny that admittedly they couldn't pull off practice successfully, but they traveled into space to a new frontier and accomplished it flawlessly, both there and back on one tank of gas ⛽?? Haaaaaaaa
@phnix6242 it can be across time. But in the right now moment or when talking about the total of something it can't be. Look at money, that can increase to over 100% growth. Over 100% things is usually a theory or digital percentage increase
I love this argument because it’s just common sense. How arrogant do you have to believe that NASA faked the moon landing but didn’t have anyone smart enough to review the footage and see the things you saw?
@@Qrt45because like they said during this interview they never foresaw RU-vid, podcasts etc… so whatever people saw on tv was all they had. No one had vcrs they couldn’t stop and rewatch over and over again to really analyze what they were looking at
@@smturchetta that’s not a good point at all…people didn’t have VCRs yet but film recorders were obviously a thing, and given the importance of the event they would have known that people could and would eventually rewatch the event. How do you think we have the ability to watch it today? Clearly it was understood that you would be able to watch it again.
People who think this way should pay kerbal... There's no air in space so why would you need to have your rocket burning the whole there? 8 trips to fuel your rocket? The thing that took off from the moon had a small rockets on the bottom. It only needs to lift that small capsule into orbit. There is no air on the moon and it is 1/6 the gravity. It's not crazy to think it was done.
@@devpandya1715 Yep, Elon is talking about what it will take to bring Starship to the moon and back. A skyscraper of a rocket ship, that will be 100% re-suable compared to an expendable lander where 99% of the mass of the Saturn V was expended.
That’s kinda what happens when you have the ability to talk to anyone in the world. Say what you want, the man has talked to way smarter people than you.
Is it? I understand he's wrong in this case. But, if something has a 150% chance of happening, and you are able to reduce that chance by 33.33% wouldn't it still have a 100% chance? If it started at 100% that would be reduced to 66%.
@@oxfordslim305 You can aim a laser at the landing sight and you will get a retro-reflector hit at the same frequency but with the proper delay for the distance. Proof? Not enough for some people.
You people can’t even work through the simplest of ideas in your head like a mounted camera but you think you can out think literal rocket scientists. Where did you find such confidence with such room temperature iq.
The fact that Buzz Aldrin smashed his fist through Bart’s whiny face in 2002 is one of the funniest things that has happened since the dinosaurs went extinct.
Punched him b/c he wouldn’t swear on bible that he went to moon, seems Buzz acted extremely irrational towards such a simple & easy request. Surprised such unhinged behavior coming from him, which just calls more into question….
Little man syndrome. Emotionally reactive to the point of violence because words/ideas hurt him, without even a personal insult. Feminine. Womanly. Little boy at the most masculine, if that.
At 1:15 I love how this guy handles probabilities. He clearly knows what he's talking about and his outstanding mathematics and scientific education humbles the audience. If there's a 50% chance of an event happening in 24h, then after 72h the probability must be 150%!!! I foresee a Fields Medal for him in the near future. So, when I flip a fair coin three times there is a 150% chance that by the third toss the coin would have landed both heads and tail. Sublime! We definitely need more such experts on Joe Rogan to educated the public.
Micro meteorites no, dust being kicked up from the astronaut and hitting the flag causing slight movement, yes. Also suggesting we could get astronauts to the moon but not figure out how to make a camera tilt is laughable. The fire…. Yeah there is no fire in space as there is no oxygen, that’s not how fire or engines work… good lord this guy ate paint chips as a kid.
It’s 1/6 earth gravity, but there is no atmosphere… also, there is no fire because there is no oxygen. Come on Joe. Must have forgot to take his alpha brain
They have ship simulators that future cruise ship captains practice on. They are mini boats with reduced rudder and controls reaction to simulate how a full size ship reacts. It’s kinda like driving your car, when you need to make a turn you have to plan waaaaay ahead or else you’ll overshoot where you need to go. They probably had something like that
@@smturchetta correct. By the time they did the last lift off from the moon, the guy responsible for the panning said he messed up most of the previous lift off's and got it perfect on the final one.
Clearly a joke. Everyone knows this, but they’re really good at doing what they’re told (and they’re told to mock anyone who even brings this subject up).
Doesn't NASA put mirrors on the moon during the Apollo Moon missions so us normals can use a laser to calculate the distance between the earth and the moon? That would kind of prove that we did put something up on the moon. What was the film technology like during the same time of the moon landing. We did have some good photography on the U2 and A12, but motion photography was not the best.
This guy has 7.4 million subscribers. Crazy. You don’t think they would’ve thought about all these calculations and the delays when they did this? IF it’s fake?! They’re not stupid.
Yeah the USSR/Russia, and the Entire World (at least 50 other spacefaring nations) would have to be in on the hoax.. which would mean that all the wars and conflicts around the world are also fake.. (all these countries cant 'hate' each other, but then still agree to the 'space lie', someone would get fed up and expose it).. and its all for what? just so a handful of gov's can skim a fraction of a penny from their tax dollars? ..That doesn't make sense, they could easily write whatever they wanted to scam into any random defense bill and no-one would know or care.. no need to create 50+ agencies around the world with thousands of potential whistle blowers, and countless 'fake' photos for anyone to debunk at any time.. Its almost like it would actually be cheaper and easier to just do the things they say they are doing, than to risk one whistle blower exposing the whole scam..??
@@gatonegro187 Yea but if you have ever tried downloading anything from the internet, you would know there is LIGHT YEARS difference between downloading a movie vs a text file. Thats even with todays high tech tech. Now imagine something a human lifetime older. No way!
So much easily disproven BS here don’t even know where to start. One thing that immediately comes to mind though is that it took NASA several missions to perfect the tracking of the LM ascent due to the mentioned time delay.
@@ryankowalski3670 are you stupid to understand how much technology has advanced since 1972 or do you wanna go back to listening to al your music on 8 tracks because its just the same
@@kevindflowers234 Skype is not a good example but Video games can answer your question here, More specifically PING, adding the input lag from a mouse is usually (0-10 ms) and the PING of (0-30 ms) there's no way a delay of 3 seconds would happen even from the other side of the world.
It didn't use lead acid batteries ; more advanced hydrogen fuel cell. The body generates heat. Why even argue something is faked without knowing what you're even trying to refute ? People like him can't see beyond their own meekness.
If they had timed the radio waves 4 seconds, it would have made one of the best bloopers in the world when they say lift off and it don't work and the camera pans up.. comedy gold.
It's both. They went there AND they filmed on a stage. NASA and the government needed the PR and spectacle of having great film footage for "live" broadcasts, so they ran a film stage on the side, rather than take the risk that cameras on the moon, and ALL of the other logistics, would work properly. This explanation makes the most sense to me.
Finally, an enlightened member of society. Nice to meet you. Also, there's no such thing as the Red and Blue party.. notice how our rights slowly are getting taken away.. notice how there's pics of the Clintons buddying up to Trump.. as long as we're fighting over the idiots, the more they take away.
It's the same with some of the early nuclear explosion films, some of them are 100% fake because they couldn't film in the test sights as the video film would have been distorted by the radiation so they nukes are real but some of the early film is fake for propaganda reasons.
One decent theory I saw that appeases both sides is that we actually did go to the moon, but had to fake the footage because the film was destroyed by the sun radiation
Answer to Joe’s question by ChatGPT; When viewing footage of a moon lander leaving the moon, it may appear as though there is no propulsion because there is no atmosphere on the moon. Unlike on Earth, where we can see rocket exhaust and flames when a spacecraft takes off, the lack of atmosphere on the moon means there is nothing for the rocket exhaust to interact with and become visible. In reality, the moon lander does have propulsion systems that are used to lift off from the lunar surface and return to orbit. These propulsion systems generate thrust by expelling gases at high speeds, propelling the spacecraft upwards. While the lack of visible exhaust can be deceiving, rest assured that the moon lander would indeed have used its propulsion systems to leave the moon.
@@MysticWolf1223 Lol 😅 Your statement can be true for yourself! * keep believing what you want and lying to yourself!* What else is a lie? Like the earth is NOT Flat ?
@@MysticWolf1223 Do you know how many mission to the moon ? Supposedly be fake ? Answer: 6 Do you know how many people supposedly walked on the moon ? Answer: 12 Isn’t that funny that America faked moon landing over 6 times!?😅 I think they’re obsessed with this fake project, otherwise why they keep faking it!
@@cryptoesquire3168 Nothing can be trusted. However we can’t use a blank statement saying ChatGPT can’t be trusted at all. Cross-reference check can help. In this case, instead of ruling out ChatGPT response, it is better to see if what is been said can be argued or proven false. I think this explanation seems reasonable in this instance at list on this point, as I did a research on ChatGPT response and it could well be a true response to that question.
The Apollo missions were designed to be fuel-efficient in several key ways: 1. **Hohmann Transfer Orbit**: The journey to the moon utilized the Hohmann transfer orbit, an efficient path that requires less fuel for travel between two orbits, such as from Earth to the moon. 2. **Modular Spacecraft Design**: Only the Lunar Module, which was smaller and lighter, descended to the moon's surface. This module required significantly less fuel compared to the entire spacecraft. 3. **Fuel for Lunar Ascent**: The ascent stage of the Lunar Module needed just enough fuel to rendezvous with the Command Module in lunar orbit, rather than propelling the entire spacecraft back to Earth. These strategic choices in the mission design minimized the amount of fuel needed for the round trip to the moon and back.
He's also an idiot comparing it to SpaceX's plan on landing on the moon. SpaceX is trying to do it with a giant, re-useable ship. That's why it needs to be refueled in orbit. The apollo lander was like 1/100th the mass of Starship.
@@cdcaleo 1. **Existence of Other Evidence**: Thousands of photos and hours of video footage taken on the moon still exist. NASA also has extensive telemetry data (other than the original SSTV recordings) that document the landings. 2. **Multiple Missions and Witnesses**: There were six Apollo missions that landed on the moon from 1969 to 1972, involving 12 astronauts who walked on the lunar surface. These missions were tracked by multiple independent entities around the world, not just NASA. 3. **Broadcast Footage**: The footage that was broadcast live around the world still exists. This footage was viewed by millions of people as the events unfolded, providing real-time evidence of the landings. 4. **Technological and Historical Context**: The technology to fake such landings convincingly did not exist at the time, and the broader geopolitical context (the Space Race against the Soviet Union, which had the capability to track the missions) supports the reality of the landings.
Where did he get a 12-second delay? Isn't it about 1.5 seconds one way and 3 seconds round trip? Also, 9 fueling trips are needed for the fully reusable Starship, not Saturn V. Lunar Starship will need much more fuel because it's an over 50 meter tall skyscraper that needs to escape earth's gravity, reach orbit for refueling, escape orbit, be captured by the moon, land and then get back to the lunar orbit. Appolo missions had a small capsule with a lander.
yeah and Bart tried to sue him for it and all the witnesses for Buzz saying Bart was the aggressor got it dismissed... Im glad showed the world what an idiot this guy is
Bart Sibrel studied under Norm McDonald's new neighbor, the Professor of Logic at the University of... something. And Bart definitely does not have a dog house
The air conditioning argument is the most convincing i've heard so far. You can barely cool something with an air conditioner running off the grid in 112 degree heat. 250 degrees off a couple car batteries for 3 days? They got it to a steady 70 degrees??