Base M3 Max vs Top M3 Pro - Justifications for a $1000 Upgrade!

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Base M3 Max vs Top M3 Pro 16" MacBook Pro, is the $1000 increase in price justifiable? - Results may surprise you! This is a Pro Photo Workflow Test & comparisons. This is a comprehensive test & comparison of Apple newest M3 SoC inside the 16" MacBook Pro. This review will also include results from previous generation M1, M2, M3, M1 Pro, M2 Pro, M3 Pro, M1 Max, M2 Max, M3 Max, M1 Ultra and M2 Ultra. These tests includes Lightroom Classic, Lightroom, Capture One, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro and After Effects. These are tests done from a perspective of a pro photographers so you can choose the best machines that fits your workflow.
This is a re-upload, chart size error in the first version.
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00:00 Intro
00:12 Preface
01:04 Test System
03:05 Memory Bandwidth
04:02 Retest Everything
04:19 Color Calibration
04:48 Single App Test
05:11 Test Configs
05:35 Effect of SSD & RAM Is known
05:42 Reading the Spec
05:56 SSD
07:20 Internal vs External SSD
07:35 Memory - RAM
08:54 Intel Mac advise
09:12 32GB+ for Pro
09:38 Lightroom Classic Preview 1:1
10:54 LRC Export
11:52LRC HDR
12:19 LRC Panorama Merge
13:31 LRC AI Noise Reduction
14:55 Lightroom CC - LR Export
15:49 Capture 1 - C1 Preview
16:44 C1 Export
17:42 Photoshop
21:07 Video Export FCP
22:33 AfterEffects
23:41 Analysis
28:00 SoC Recommendations
30:05 Upgrade Path
31:23 Conclusion
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@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

This is a re-upload, chart size error in the first version.

@davidpsp89 6 месяцев назад

i know

@ColorOfTheDay 6 месяцев назад

This one has green flashes right at the start 00:00.

@user-di6dh8zy7o 6 месяцев назад

Test the difference in battery life between top m3 pro and base m3 max.

@108u9 6 месяцев назад

Hi Art, would you take a look at “Just Josh” just published video on the M3 14/16”? It’s a sensationalistic video title but not inaccurate to the content because it does go quite critical about the MBP lineup. In particular, the drop in memory bandwidth is repeatedly throughout the video cited as an issue for photography/videography apps which is a different from your findings and assertions that the memory bandwidth doesn’t really matter and that the apps can’t take full advantage of the speeds. The presenter (Josh?) does appeal to his extensive experience with tech to supplement that his criticism holds weight and accuracy. A bit confused as there are two separate assertions about the impact of memory bandwidth. Would like for you to take a look at his findings/video. Thank you!

@108u9 6 месяцев назад

In particular his reply to “Plumber_Dave” in the comments of that video, there’s an assertion that memory bandwidth difference is the cause of the difference in performance you cited in your video. Maybe worth taking a look at that reply thread as well. Hope to arrive at a clearer, more accurate understanding!

@lumberfoot_jpg 6 месяцев назад

Probably the most in depth, honest, comparison video. Zero misleading clickbait.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Thank You!

@itsbenji5546 6 месяцев назад

Quality content Art. I watched all of your recent m3 MacBook videos to help me decide on which one would be the best value for me and my workflow. Saves me having to test each one of them out myself. I also watched pretty much every other channels videos on the same subject and your videos are by far the best. Thank you again, keep up the good work.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Thank You!

@puffy4122 2 месяца назад

I've probably watched all m3 pro/max comparisons on utube but urs is the best. The way u simply explained about memory bandwidth was super useful. Thanks man 👍

@ArtIsRight 2 месяца назад

Wow, thanks!

@ath3263 6 месяцев назад

Always excellent and informative of the choices to suit the individuals needs

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@tyrealcut 6 месяцев назад

Thank you Art for the time you put to make those videos !

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

You're Welcome!

@all-exists Месяц назад

Thanks for the comparison 🔥 You did awesome work on this

@ArtIsRight Месяц назад

Thank you 🙌

@kiriltrenkoski 2 месяца назад

I love your videos, the detail and precision is amazing.

@ArtIsRight 2 месяца назад

Thank you very much!

@emkay2903 6 месяцев назад

These comparisons are amazing and the best of all. Thank you. I know what I’ll be buying now!

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

What will you be buying?

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Thanks

@wc8561 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this. Going to return my M3 Pro 16 and get the 14 core CPU M3 Max instead. Upgrading from a 2017 MBP and looking to get another 6 years out of the M3 Max.

@ArtIsRight 5 месяцев назад

Nice

@AaZzELHD Месяц назад

Thank you for such a high quality video

@ArtIsRight Месяц назад

You're welcome

@MustafaBerkayMutlu 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video, this is the most extensive and informative video I've seen! I wish you also include a new test for compiling code with Android Studio or XCode maybe while running emulators. Cheers!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Thanks

@spencefinch29 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the commitment to the Professional community. Your analysis is always methodical, in-depth and insightful. Art do you think there is scope for an ultra "extreme" SoC - 4 maxes glued together in terms of ultra demanding workflows out there. Do you think Apple might ever go that route or are they more than handling needs of top-end animators, FX community, top end production community. Thanks once again Art..!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

They might but that machine would start around 10K. I have a feeling that M3 gen might be where they go crazy

@spencefinch29 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Art. Keep up the good work. Apple should employ you as a technical spokesperson. All the best.

@inkz9002 3 месяца назад

The quality of this video is unbelievable 🎉 The best i have ever seen

@ArtIsRight 3 месяца назад

Thank You!

@pcerry 6 месяцев назад

Thanks very much indeed for the comparisons. You’ve been really a great help in steering me towards choosing the M3 Pro 16” top model with 36RAM instead of the base M3 Max model. Cheers once again

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Great to hear!

@MinhNgo-qj1bt 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight Hi Art. I ordered the M3 Pro upgrades to 36gb and 1TB with price $3099 and the base M3M is $3499 the difference is $400 should I go head and get the M3M instead. This is my first MacBook Pro I getting what is your thoughts. Please advise. Thanks

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

What did you decide?

@MinhNgo-qj1bt 6 месяцев назад

@@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls The M3 Max is awesome. it's scary fast. I really like it. I'm glad I change it. well spend for another $400. Thanks all

@MinhNgo-qj1bt 6 месяцев назад

@@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls I got the silver. I like it. I know most of people like the space black.

@dpjohnjones432 3 месяца назад

Now this is the video everyone should have been making. A+

@ArtIsRight 3 месяца назад

Thank you!

@jgooch99 6 месяцев назад

Great job

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Thanks

@YTN3rd 6 месяцев назад

I've watch a bunch of videos trying to decide between higher model M3 Pro or lower model M3 Max and this is the first video that has mentioned that the P/E core distirubtion is very different. Thanks!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

It plays a big role

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

Arrrrg And what did you decide on? Please everyone who says they’ve decided based on arts videos can you tell us what you decided on that would be nice

@YTN3rd 6 месяцев назад

@@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls I am a software developer so not all of the data in here was relevant to me (but still some eye opening results). Currently running an intel based i7 Mac Mini from 2018. I am going for 16inch MacBook Pro M3 Max base (14 core CPU, 30 core GPU, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD). Expensive, but if it gets me as far as the Mac Mini did then it will be very much worth it.

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for your reply. Always nice to see what others are doing. Great choice enjoy.

@seanmeredith616 5 месяцев назад

What's more important to me than Lightroom importing and exporting speeds is the responsiveness of the application while I'm using it. Currently my Intel and M1 Macs lag when correcting R5 RAW files: moving from image to image lags, moving from Library to Develop lags, moving in and out of the crop tool lags. Any experiences to share with the latest M3 MacBooks?

@ArtIsRight 5 месяцев назад

they are fine and LRC slows over the usage time like with any other computers. I want quantifiable metric.

@Budkalings 6 месяцев назад

Thanks! This is very helpfull. It would be great to have a comparison on Intel based, M2 and M3 MAX using DxO PureRAW 3. It is currently a bottleneck in my workflow. Thanks again.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

😀

@FieldingSmith 6 месяцев назад

Max Tech’s test video today showed thermal/power throttling on the 14in m3max… and I’m even more torn now on which 14in to get… lol

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

A more sensible and practical review ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qwlf1TAIL2w.htmlfeature=shared

@ytp5161 6 месяцев назад

I'd like comparison between 36Gb M3 Pro and base M3 Max.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

right

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

I believe he just gave you that

@rpaulseymour 6 месяцев назад

Actually, isn’t this all there is? There’s no 16” with 18GB of ram. So…. This would have been the best comparison. The thumbnail for this review was really misleading.

@acheyron 8 дней назад

@@rpaulseymour there's mb pro 16 inch with m3 pro 18gb of ram

@bladerealm124 6 месяцев назад

What are your thoughts on throttling and fan noise in the top spec 14" vs 16" M3 Max and also the base (14/30) 14" M3 Max? I have a nearly maxed 14" scheduled to be delivered next week and I'm having second thoughts on if I made the right choice after seeing Max Tech's youtube throttling test from today.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

I think you'll be fine. This is a conversation that happens every generation since M1, this is nothing new. Not that the points are not valid but if you want small size and power, there are always going to be compromise. The point is that Apple won't necessary intentionally release a faulty computer. 14" will run hotter, yes smaller thermal dissipation, fan is louder, yes it does run hotter. But I don't feel it would be such a big deal. I got the M2 Max base in a 14" and despite the downside listed, it has been working fine.

@bladerealm124 6 месяцев назад

@ArtIsRight how significant do you think the throttling is on the top spec 14" M3 Max vs the base 14" M3 Max and the 14" M3 Pro variants? I've seen people speculating that the the base 14/30 may run as fast as the 16/40 14" variant in many tasks due to the 14" 16/40 being throttled/handicapped, while the 14/30 version is both quieter and not being throttled as much.

@frostgodx 6 месяцев назад

the best scientifical analysis videos as always

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

thank you

@rocketdogrobo 6 месяцев назад

Thanks

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Welcome

@dmfinpa 6 месяцев назад

M1M seems to hold up well in the test comparisons, and there are great deals on MacBook and Studio with MiM chip; however, must wonder or be concerned over other tradeoff’s on the older machines, i.e. what’s being given up going with older generations.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Just slightly older SoC and slower speed

@davidcarrico3385 6 месяцев назад

Darn, I thought this comparison was going to be the M3Pro with 36GB of memory against the stock base Max. Love your comparisons though and realize you can’t do every config.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Can't afford every config

@Kat-mt2ty 5 месяцев назад

Wish you could do this comparison for Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop at the same time

@ArtIsRight 5 месяцев назад

There's not much to do with AI and ID, really. PS, the result is in the video.

@JohnSmith-vq5wx 6 месяцев назад

Get this man a new shirt and an award!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

the one that I am using is fine and thanks

@Rohme.33 6 месяцев назад

You mean get him some pants! 😂.. we’re just joshing you, thanks for the video!

@axotical8682 6 месяцев назад

Could you try LM Studio on both machines, load Mistral LLM and run some inference to see what is the difference between them using CPU and when you switch to metal and GPU? It would be extremely helpful for people looking to buy a Mac for Ai.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

There's another channel that just tested something like this. If I can find it, I'll post a link

@viveksuryavanshi6165 6 месяцев назад

hi Art, any tests planned for base m3 macbook pro with air15 or m2 pro ?

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

M2 Pro laptop results are in the compilation charts

@viveksuryavanshi6165 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight thanks. any comparisons results with M2 ?

@AMALHI15 6 месяцев назад

Really love yout expansive reviews! Had a quick question, would you recommend the 14 inch MacBook pro 12 core cpu/18 core gpu with 18gb of ram will be enough too edit 4.2.2 10 bit footage with minimal stuttering? I was thinking about going for the 36gb upgrade but at that point I'm just like I may as well get the max for $300 more (i have student prices). Hope to hear from you soon, thank you!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

You should be fine with either spec. If you are going to get the pro, I recommend base SoC and save some money there.

@JohnLe 6 месяцев назад

I am in the same boat as you. I edit both photos and videos, and I do make some money off of my work. after looking at the 16" pro with 36GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD, i might as well spend the extra $360 to get the 16" BASE max that comes with all of the upgrades i was doing on the PROs. thinking of 16" to avoid thermal throttling and to be able to edit easier on the go; however, i kind of want the 14" for the portability

@AMALHI15 6 месяцев назад

Thermal throttling could be an issue but for me I don't fixate on it too much. The 16 inch is just too large for me, I really want the portability of the 14 inch. I currently have a 15inch 2018 MacBook pro and this shit is a behemoth LMAO @@JohnLe

@TheTechRak 5 месяцев назад

@@JohnLe Which one did you go with? I am debating between the two options as well

@TheTechRak 5 месяцев назад

@@AMALHI15 😂

@timjenkins8943 6 месяцев назад

I’m on M1 Max with 10 core chip and 64gb. Wanted to upgrade to M3 max with 64gb ram but curious about the 128gb ram and if it will help speed things up. In my current usage I usually don’t hit 64gb with memory pressure. Using capture one, photo mechanic, chrome and Final Cut 95% of the time. Just wondering if 128gh ram will give a boost in performance and what advantage it can provide.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

If you don't need 128GB don't get it. At most it is a few seconds also if any only if you are using that much to start with. Look at the results from the Ultra 128GB, there are some gained but clear ones are only in a very selective few cases.

@Rasmussen57 2 месяца назад

I just ran a test for fun on my 16" MBP 2019: 16GB RAM, the fastest CPU available at the time (i9, 8-core, 2.3GHz). It took me shy over 4 minutes to generate 1:1 Previews of 50 Canon R5 (Also 45MP). That would mean that it would take me a whopping 80 minutes to generate what the M3M does in 10 minutes. I can't wait for an upgrade!

@ArtIsRight 2 месяца назад

Night and day!

@mattJT87 2 месяца назад

I’m looking to buy 14” model. I’m between the 14” pro 12/18 36gb 1tb and base m3 max 13/30 36gb 1tb. The pro is 3144 new and the max is $3187 refurb. Would go with refurb in the m3pro model but they don’t have any in stock. Keep seeing everyone say the max 14” battery is terrible, thermal throttle, go with 16” if you’re gnna get max etc. so was going to go with the m3 pro for the better battery and based on what I would use it for. But with the ~$50 price difference should I go with refurb max or stick with the m3pro?

@ArtIsRight 2 месяца назад

I think everyone is over exaggerating a lot of info. Battery if is not worse as much as the battery is smaller, I say Max. Also thermal throttle conversation is over blown as well, how hard does one need to work the computer for that to happen. Just get what you need.

@Sorrymaker97 6 месяцев назад

Hello Art, i‘m considering the base 14-inch m3 max mbp, but i really worry about the gaming performance due to possible thermal throttling…But the 16-inch version is quite too heavy…Could you give me some advice. Thanks.😊

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

14" fines

@Sorrymaker97 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight Thank you. I‘ve ordered this version.

@mikecna 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this video I plan to buy a new mac in the near future But i'm hesitating to wait for the mini m3 Pro ( hopefully begin 2024) or to take a mac studio M2 Max now ( or wait M3 max Studio but that's in maybe 8 months ... )

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

If you need something today get the MS M2M, if you can wait for the M3 Pro in the mini it is not a bad idea. But then this round Pro SoC is Meh at best so I would choose either the M2 Max or wait for the M3 Max

@bedirof 6 месяцев назад

Hello, thank you for this wonderful video But I have a very important question I want to buy a computer and I am working on a program after Effects and I want the best performance. Do you advise me to buy a laptop M3M or Mac Studio M2U or PC ?

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

Definitely not a PC

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Ultra!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

if you need portability the get the M3M

@bedirof 6 месяцев назад

thank you for your reply I am working on a video of no less than an hour. Will the laptop perform as well as a Mac Studio or a PC?@@ArtIsRight

@bedirof 6 месяцев назад

I want the best option and the best device. What are the specifications and how much RAM is needed?

@jeanm182 6 месяцев назад

I was debating wether to get one of these in the 14 inch version but in the end I’d rather have more displays supported so I choose the max.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

that is a factor as well

@adonisheads7740 2 месяца назад

can you pls throw some light on the reported heat /throttling issue of Base M3 Max 14 inch MacBook Pro ? Is Base M3 Max 14 inch MacBook Pro worth it ? or shall the stick to M3 Pro 18 GB ? Im not gonna waste a single penny on throttling

@ArtIsRight 2 месяца назад

You'll be fine. You have to put the Max under extreme load, which most RU-vidr don't do.

@logoutjason4689 5 месяцев назад

how does the top m3 pro not have the 36gb of ram? this would be a base 16" model. how would a 36gb 1tb pro face up against a similarly priced 14" binned max?

@ArtIsRight 5 месяцев назад

16 vs 16 and 14 vs 14, each has to do their own judgement.

@MonigMedia 4 месяца назад

I recently upgraded from the base m1 MacBook Pro onto the M3P and it is leaps ahead. But frankly, even the M1Ultra is still far ahead. I’d rather wait for a newer studio than burn up my batteries.

@ArtIsRight 4 месяца назад

All depending on the need :)

@ldmndz4652 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for the information....I guess for some consumers..yes there is an obvious "difference" in "performance"..but for some still not the much to "upgrade"..and externally, the display and some features are still similar..the "M4"..should hopefully have a better screen, better cameras?..etc..the M4 for some consumers will be more worth the wait!..than this M3..it was only like what 10 months between the M2 and M3 chip?..imagine what the M4 will be if Apple actually takes its time..now for some the M3 is the "stop gap" laptop for the better M4 in every aspect..hardware ( better screen display, cameras etc) and software..for sure..just wait..lol

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

all depends

@HarshDeepSingh-pc5ou 28 дней назад

Confused between the 14 inch m3 pro, 512 gb, 18gb vs 36gb or the 16 inch m3 max 14c/30c,36 gb 1 tb ssd. My needs are 4k video editing, lightroom and photoshop. I want the max but if m3 pro is enough, I don't want to overspend. Please help me make the right decision.

@ArtIsRight 26 дней назад

Video go MAX or up

@DididerJauchon-kc5km 6 месяцев назад

Hello Art, What about gaming « old » non Apple Silicon native games ? I want to have one machine only. I ordered a 16 » M3 Pro MBP (36g RAM, 1to SSD) and for 500 euros more I can have the base 16 M3 MAX. I won’t use all the power of the MAX for sure. But I want to be able to game StarCraft 2 (via Rosetta 2), Covilizations 6, Sims 4, and some windows game via Crossover. Those games used to run good enough on my MBP 2016 Touchbar. Would M3 MAX really get me more FPS / resolution for those non optimized games ? Because otherwise, I would RATHER use the 25% more battery of the M3 PRO..! Your answer on that would really help me out, Thanks Art

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

You should be fine on the pro, either way when you get it, test it out and post a new comment to update this

@DididerJauchon-kc5km 6 месяцев назад

I just tested StarCraft 2 on the top config MBP M3PRO and at HIGH settings I m getting 13 FPS when there are lots of units… at MEDIUM settings I m getting 40 FPS. Looks like it was running better on MBP 2016 TOUCHBAR. Would getting the M3 MAX help me out on this non native Apple Silicon game (it was developed for Intel) or would it make only a tiny difference? I heard non native games don’t use GPU that much but only single cores. Thanks!

@jhykr 6 месяцев назад

You're comparing base M3 Max vs base M3 Pro, not vs top M3 Pro. Top M3 Pro stock model has 36GB RAM, not 16GB.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

top and base referring to SoC - the chip it self and not the overall laptop

@karunakaran1250 2 месяца назад

bro. choose Macbook pro M3 pro 14 inch ( 1 TB SSD) but i confusing which specs enough for graphic designs and 4k video editing works ??? X 11 core CPU, 14 core GPU ( m3 pro) 36gb ram or 12 core CPU, 18 core GPU (m3 pro) RAM: 36 GB

@ArtIsRight 2 месяца назад

11/14 36 gb will do just fine. If you have money and want more you can upgrade, but the gained is so small

@aberteig 6 месяцев назад

Great and complex comparison. Sorry...this was driving me crazy - "attributing to" and "attributable to" show causality in opposite directions. Effect -> "attributable to" -> Cause. Cause -> "attributing to" -> effect (although counter-intuitively, "attributing to" really just means "the ascribing of a work (as of literature or art) to a particular author or artist") If you want to use the form "Cause -> XXXX -> Effect" it would be better to say "This cause is contributing to this effect." Eg. at 13:50 the clear way to show the relationship between cause and effect would be to say "The increase in the GPU on this system is CONTRIBUTING TO a much faster time..." Feel free to delete this comment as it's not relevant to the topic, just a super quick piece of language feedback - and hopefully you'll not think me unkind - you really have done tremendous work putting this video together.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

thanks

@henryrichardson3508 6 месяцев назад

On a forum there is an interesting update concerning LrC and the Apple Neural Engine debacle. On his M1 Max 16" Macbook Pro 64gb he reports that LrC 12.5 Denoise AI using Monterey (Neural Engine still worked in Monterey) took 10-11 seconds on his 45.7mp Nikon Z9 photos. Now with LrC 13.0.1 using Sonoma it takes 25-30 seconds. I suspect Adobe detects that Monterey is running which has the working Neural Engine so uses it, but with Sonoma and Ventura it uses the much slower GPU. In this case it shows the GPU takes 3 times longer. On my M2 Pro 16" Macbook Pro 32gb I tried LrC 12.3 using Ventura and 13.0.1 using Ventura on the same 45mp Canon R5 photo. With 12.3 it took 34 seconds and with 13.0.1 it took 38 seconds so 12% longer. Topaz Denoise AI takes 9 seconds. Topaz has said in the past they use the Neural Engine and they also seem to care less about problems. They seem to continue to use the Neural Engine for the speed and accept the Neural Engine problems that sometime show up in images. DxO says they implemented some "temporary" kludge that allows them to use the Neural Engine and then fix the problems it produces (which probably makes it a bit slower). Since it appears the Neural Engine bugs are now permanent and will never be fixed then maybe Adobe should do something similar.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Perhaps, I have been following this on the periphery

@henryrichardson3508 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight Here is one more bit of interesting information. He reported also that on his Windows 11 PC (i7-8900K, 64GB, Nvidia RTX 3070ti) that it takes 11 seconds, so the same time as on his M1 Max when on Monterey. As Adobe's Eric Chan wrote months ago they use the Nvidia Tensor cores (similar to Apple Neural Engine -- except the Tensor cores work). The M1 Max, M1 Pro, and M1 all have the same 16-core Neural Engine so we can expect that all of them on Monterey would be about 11 seconds, I think. The M2 Max, M2 Pro, and M2 all have the same 16-core Neural Engine and Apple says it is 40% faster than the one in the M1 series. So, we can make a reasonable guess that on Monterey the time would be about 6.6 seconds. The M3 Max, M3 Pro, and M3 all have the same 16-core Neural Engine and Apple says it is 15% faster than the one in the M2 series. So, we can make a reasonable guess that on Monterey the time would be about 5.6 seconds.

@henryrichardson3508 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight Hmm, maybe M3 on Monterey (or a fixed Ventura/Sonoma) would be more like 4.4 seconds. Apple says that the M3 Neural Engine is 60% faster than the M1 Neural Engine. Does this sound right? Of course, all of these are just guesstimates. It is possible that the Neural Engine is used in conjunction with the GPU, not totally replacing it.

@dolgacevairina69 6 месяцев назад

can you test gpt4all and diffusion bee?

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

I don't use those apps

@dolgacevairina69 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight well that’s sad because these are the only apps that make a difference. Base m1 works perfectly fine with everything else, there can’t be any reason to upgrade for photo or video editing

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

I don’t use those either

@MinhNgo-qj1bt 6 месяцев назад

I ordered M3P 16” upgraded 36gb and 1TB with the price tag $3099 and the M3M base has the same specs with the price tag $3499 the difference is $400 and what you think I should get the M3M or not please advise. I will keep the MacBook Pro for a while.

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

Why the MP3 Pro and not the M3 max? I’m assuming you don’t have a professional workflow and you’re not using Lightroom in Photoshop as heavily and more of a hobbyist?

@MinhNgo-qj1bt 6 месяцев назад

@@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls I’m learning to used Final Cut Pro. I’m just not sure which one is worth it to buy and not plan to upgrade every time a new one come out. Thanks for your advice.

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

I can’t speak for Art but I believe? he would say the M3 max for what you’re doing is the better chip and if you’re holding a computer for a while would be the better investment. Are you using Lightroom? Or Photoshop at all? Did you see Art’s graph showing which computer configuration/chip would be the best one for your workflow?

@MinhNgo-qj1bt 6 месяцев назад

@@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls I been watched all the videos come out M3, M3P and M3M.i only want the 16” with at least 1TB when I added all the upgrades I want it and Apple got me all confused with $400 difference between the M3P and base M3M is $400. But I didn’t receive my MacBook yet. I still have time change it. I just make sure I get some last me a while at 5 years before I change it thanks

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

Are you using Lightroom? Are you or will you be using Photoshop?

@bennycrime 6 месяцев назад

Can we get a 14 m3 max vs 16 m3 max pleaseeeee

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qwlf1TAIL2w.htmlfeature=shared

@AndriiKozin 6 месяцев назад

Strange comparison, why Memory size wasn't adjusted? if we are trying to see the improvements brought by CPU, other components must be equal. 18Gb on M3P != 36Gb on M3M .5TB on M3P != 1TB on M3M So, what are we comparing here? We compare totally different systems. Performance is not only on the CPU, it is the conjunction of all components.

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

Are you going to loan him $10,000? he can’t buy every single machine.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

stock config, they are what they are.

@AndriiKozin 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight I think there is an option to do the remote runs on the similar systems owned by other bloggers/subscribers :)

@grafxdesigner93 Месяц назад

Just purchased MacBook Pro 16 M3 Pro 18GB Ram with 512GB of storage. An upgrade from the 2015 MacBook Pro 15 in.

@ArtIsRight Месяц назад

Huge leap :)

@grafxdesigner93 Месяц назад

@@ArtIsRight Yes it is! I went light years ahead of the 2015 MacBook Pro. So far, I’m very pleased with the MacBook Pro M3 Pro 16 inch. Got it in Space Black.

@grafxdesigner93 Месяц назад

@@ArtIsRight Light years apart in performance.

@ArtIsRight Месяц назад

totally

@g1984AF 6 месяцев назад

I wish there the pro had 1 tb and 36 gb ram at the prize. I already have a T7 external though. I think I might go with the 36 gb 512

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

there you go

@g1984AF 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight do you think its enough disk space for a windows VM (I work with excel and add ins) so I need a Windows VM. Other than that its video editing but 4k or lower

@smoscar 6 месяцев назад

Base max vs Max with 16c CPU and 40c GPU, should be a no brainer. For $300 you're getting a $200 worth memory upgrade and the high end SoC... but it's still 300 bucks though....

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

yeah but look at the performance and the force $500 upgrade, marginal at best, I don't see a no brainer there

@smoscar 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight I'm not sure I get where the $500 upgrade is coming from. My point was between the base M3 Max with a 14-core CPU, 30-core GPU and that's limited to 300GB/s memory bandwidth, versus the M3 Max with the 16-core CPU, 40-core GPU that has 400GB/s memory bandwidth. For $300 you are getting an additional 12GB of memory (marked at $200) a far better CPU core distribution (12 performance, 4 efficiency) AND the 400GB/s bandwidth to access all that memory. So, it truly is a no brainer, right?

@adamkennylau7950 6 месяцев назад

For Photoshop Medium 15.7GB test, why is the M1 beating the M3 even though the M3 has 2 extra/faster CPU cores, and both having the same amount of 16GB RAM, this does not compute well for me.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

SSD performance under heavy load. They are using high speed for read and write test but lower grade for intense workflow

@buncho64 6 месяцев назад

It’s not the ‘top m3 pro’ as the stock m3 pro with non binned cpu comes with 1TB drive as standard. You are comparing the bottom m3 pro with $200 cpu upgrade.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Hmm not quite look at the 16" stock config again and the cores.

@user-ye5vi6uo3b 6 месяцев назад

16inch m3pro is actually the top one

@DigiDriftZone 6 месяцев назад

If only this was the 14” laptops being tested 😭

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Performance variations mostly will show up in the max and they are small at best.

@DigiDriftZone 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight Yes, turns out there is about a 6-10% performance difference, but more worryingly the fans come on frequently making it an unpleasant experience. This is with the top M3 Max on the 14", but I wonder if this is the same with the base M3 Max hmm.

@Sorrymaker97 6 месяцев назад

@@DigiDriftZoneSame. Have you found the answer? I'm stuck on base 14" m3max vs 16"…considering the gamimg performance and fans noise.😂

@DigiDriftZone 6 месяцев назад

@@Sorrymaker97 I bought the 14" Base Max - so far very happy with my decision. Coming from the 13" it feels larger and heavier so I am glad I didn't get 16"! - considering people complain about noise/heat on the top spec 16/40 core, I don't experience any of that on the 14/30, barely ever hear the fans.

@Sorrymaker97 6 месяцев назад

@@DigiDriftZone Thank you. I’m going to order the 14" version too~

@hukmai 6 месяцев назад

Tldr; z6 -> z8 ram pressure as tripled swap from 2gb-6gb mid work flow. Base MBP 14 daily runner might need to retire. Is the M3 pro 36gb ram or M3 max base, especially since the max is in the 14 body not 16 Best buy black friday deals ( cant modify specs) MBP 14 m3 Max base cpu + 1tb MBP 16 m3 base + 36gb ram ---- Shot myself in the foot when i didnt pick up the M1 Max 16 64gb 1tb from B&H daily deal for $2199 For the past 2 years my daily runner M1 Pro 14 base does everything well, with my 90% of my usage on LrC. Only recently have noticed memory limitation with the based 16gb, with Swap being as high as 6gb in some instances. I can chalk this to going from the Nikon Z6 24mp to z8 45mp; 2gb of " swap stutter" was normal in my usage with the Z6 and hit close to the end of the workflow. However, with the Z8, there is higher swap and noticeable mid workflow. Along, with probably contributing to some battery usage increase. 400+ photos is regular not quite 1000 like you tests lol Wondering if the M3 pro 36gb is 'enough' for my use case scenario or if i should do M3 Max 36gb. While deals come and go for current 2023 black Fridays 200$ at best buy MBP Max 14 base cpu + 1tb for $2999 or MBP 16 base cpu + 36gb 512gb for $2699 ~ a sub 300$ difference including tax plus in store hold pick up ( too many delivery issues) Amazing through videos!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

thank you

@RogerZoul 6 месяцев назад

On the channel “Just Josh”, the guy Josh is saying that the decrease in memory bandwidth is a big deal and is fooling a lot of people into paying for less performance with the new M3 family MBPs. And, of course, he is throwing major shade at other youtubers in this space. I can’t do justice to all he is saying in the comments section do if you’re interested, you may wish to pop over. Take care, Art!

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

It is really just paying for your workflow and need really. There's always something in every gen, if it is not the SSD, it is the memory bandwidth, or the memory or the upgrade price, etc. Based on my test the pro photo apps that I use don't show the variations, but if one can prove it sure.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

And thank you for sharing this with me

@RogerZoul 6 месяцев назад

@@ArtIsRight He didn’t show a lot of data, so Im not convinced he is correct. And he was so busy throwing shade at others that I don’t trust him. Don’t think I ever will even if he is correct

@Davesaintgold 6 месяцев назад

Sorry but in the SSD test the M3 PRO is not the TOP cause the "TOP" version has a 1tb SSD and the SSD speed is the same of the "MAX"

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Referring to the Chip - SoC and not the entire laptop

@danieldevine 6 месяцев назад

am i the only one getting green screen flashes at the start.?

@KhaosVFX 6 месяцев назад

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

I have to look into that one. interesting....

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

Encoder error, thanks for pointing this out

@whiterock1865 6 месяцев назад

At 16 minutes 24 seconds, how could the M1 pro be faster than the M1 max?

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

anomaly in testing most likely but those are the observed test results

@whiterock1865 6 месяцев назад

So strange!

@Gael_AG 6 месяцев назад

The upgrade is a no brainier especially when you work as a photographer. It never has been a long term solution to rely on external drive to organize your ressources . I’d never recommend less than 2 tb and a 4 or 8tb of disk drive is in my opinion the best way to work flawlessly. Same for the RAM 32gb is the bare minimum for demanding tasks and multi tasking do I’d recommend to go for at least 64gb of ram Always thinks s a ok g term investment and a long term time saving and benefits . The question is how much do you charge for the hour , how many days can you save over your investment This is why I don’t agree with your point. Of view in your review . Don’t minor the peace of mind . When you are on the rush it’s not 1 time 5mn saving but multiply by the number of consecutive works and time that you are saving . Moreover time Saving os crucial in event and cinema industry

@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls 6 месяцев назад

Art if I’m not mistaken, has stated that in other videos

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

It really all depends on the workflow, usage, and need. everyone is different and there are no size fits all

@jgiss7102 6 месяцев назад

First time coming here. Don't even know you. How are you going to spend the first minute explaining how people need to like you?

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

@davidpsp89 6 месяцев назад

If anyone in the comments can please help me? I am thinking of buying a MacBook M3 pro 11 core, 12 core pro or a 14 core M3 Max, 18 GB or 36 would be enough, but I would like to know the difference when running MATLAB, Apple's office page is very ambiguous in the data, gives some graphs without specifying which test was done, and in the end he says little about what he did, such as the number 12 or the numeral 14-- for example the 12) Testing conducted by Apple in September and October 2023 using preproduction 14-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M3 Pro, 12-core CPU, 18-core GPU, 36GB of RAM, and 4TB SSD, production 14-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Pro, 12-core CPU, 19-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, production 14-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 Pro, 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, and production 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics, 32GB of RAM, and 4TB SSD. Tested with MATLAB and Simulink R2023b v23.2.0 and Parallel Computing Toolbox using a vehicle dynamics model. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.

@ArtIsRight 6 месяцев назад

I would try forums and Yeah difficult one. Look at MatLap and Simulink and see what system resources these program are using. From there choose the machine based on that