If you are watching this now, I have a tribute video in honor of Kevin Conroy our Batman ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RC4SMJABlaE.html
“Can you imagine your Batman comforting a scared child? If yes, congratulations, that’s a genuine Batman! If no, you haven’t written Batman, you’ve just written Punisher in a funny hat.”
I doubt the Punisher would have risked millions of lives to avoid killing someone, as Batman did here. Yes, in hindsight, Batman made the right call. In the moment, however, he acted recklessly and with little regard for innocent lives. He literally put millions of people at risk of death so he could avoid breaking his one rule. He never should have taken on that responsibility. Hawk Girl would have done the right thing and used the device. Batman was only vindicated because Waller's prediction did not come true. He was saved by plot armor. Again.
@@thetruth45678That's why Batman is a better character than the Punisher in my opinion, even if innocent lives are at risk, he won't kill, he will always look for another way, it may seem stupid, but that's what makes Batman special as character. In a story, the logical choice is not always the best narratively, sometimes emotion is the right choice.
This is the batman he left us with, smart, skilled, but most of all compassionate. RIP Kevin Conroy, thanks for being a role model to so many kids and adults
Batman did not display compassion here. He displayed a reckless diregard for life. Waller said that when Ace dies, the psychic backlash could kill everyone within miles of her powers. That one line undermines this entire scene. Batman didn't save Ace. He saved his own conscious. She was already a lost cause, but the people in the city were not. He should have never taken on that responsibility, and all of his peers who know him well should have seen this coming. Batman does not kill, but he will risk lives to avoid killing. Hawk Girl should not have let him be the one to go. She would have done the right thing and used the device.
@thetruth45678 You kinda have a twisted definition on what is "right" here. Using the device on Ace would have ended her, correct? So if Batman did use it, the damage would still happen. The best way to avoid all that was to get Ace to fix reality while she was alive.
@@99thJediWarrior Wrong. The device would have ended Ace without allowing her powers to affect anyone. Waller clearly states that. Batman put the city at risk to protect his one rule. Period.
My god, if they made any comics or cartoon with confronting, not only a weapon, a crazed psycho, powerful aura of destruction... But kids that are, scared, confused, aware of their well being and know what they done was wrong but... Can you blame them for what they go through and be treated as?
Batman saw a scared child. Batman ignored the millions of people at risk from this child, including innocent children. He did not save Ace. He risked everyone's lives in the city to save his own conscious, and to avoid breaking his one rule. Batman was not compassionate here. He was supremely selfish.
@@justnoob8141 He was handed a device that would have solved the issue without risking millions of lives, but he refused to use it because it would have violated his one rule. You aren't excusing Batman's selfish actions, my guy. You are supporting the truth that he acted selfishly and with reckless disregard for life. He is a villain here, and there is no justification for what he did. At all.
while i really would love if this was the interpretation, ace the dog has existed since 1955, well before this iteration of ace, or even the royal flush gang as a concept (1966)
I'm fairly certain that Ace was a dog that Joker had trained and made it fight to the death with other dogs that were marked with card suits and numbers. Ace was marked with the ace of clubs, hence the name and was the only surviving dog. Batman took pity on him and both he and Alfred spent months retraining him, eventually making him into the Batdog. Edit: Just realized this was only a plot line in the "DC Rebirth" series, multiple timelines make origins muddy lol
One of his best scenes, he didn’t see a monster or a weapon but a reflection of himself. Someone who had their childhood robbed from them. He understands her pain. Thank you Kevin for giving us the best Batman.
As a kid, we all thought this was the easiest final battle Batman ever had. All he had to do was sit next to a kid on a swing set and hold her hand. As an adult, we realize this was his toughest. RIP
I just rewatched a part of the series. Batman’s next interactions with Waller and Eiling after this episode were a fist in Eiling’s face and rescuing long shadow.
One of the saddest things to me I just realized was despite the power to change reality with a thought to grant powers and create anything. She just made a simple wooden plank swing set. She was always just a little girl who wanted someone to play and be there with her.
something i realized now that i'm older: Batman wasn't running to avoid the place trapping him or not being able to get over the draw bridge.... he was running because he knew Ace was alone and didn't have much time left, batman gave her something so few people think about, comfort in a persons last moments, he made sure she had someone who truly cared about her in the end.... i miss this writing, I miss Kevin Conroy, he was my batman, he was A LOT of peoples batman, R.I.P you fucking legend, may the gates of heaven swing wide for you
And that Ace didn't even ask to hold Batman's hand. He offered it, like it was the last thing he could give. He could've just sat there, but he held her hand so that even in that brief moment, she wouldn't feel alone.
@@PopsJoe this, this right here is why i'll always love this version of batman, that and his friendship with superman, i never cared who'd win out of the two!!! i'm just happy when they team up or just have down time together
There won't be another voice actor for Batman like Kevin Conroy. Batman made his first appearance in 1939, and Kevin Conroy was born in 1955. Batman's true, destined voice actor was born 16 years after The Dark Knight's big comic debut.
Cartoons back then were nothing like they are now. This show was a fucking masterpiece. Kevin Conroy was awesome. I met him when I was a little boy. Great actor and an even better human. RIP
A man scarred by the pain caused by others sits with a child scarred by the pain caused by others. He sits until she dies, as an equal, as a friend and as someone who understands. Sad moment.
Also sits there, doing nothing, knowing her death could mean the death of millions of innocent people, including children. He protected his one rule by risking the lives of millions. He is not a hero here. He is a villain.
Batman: "But don't worry, Ace. When you die, millions of people will die with you. I could prevent that, but my one rule is far more important to me than the lives of millions of innocent people." Ace: "Wait, what??? Oh my god. Use the device! I don't want to be responsible for all those deaths!" Batman: "Hahaha. No."
Kevin was the father some of us never had. He was everything he must've wished his father was. How could someone so kind and compassionate have a father like his was?
It's a contrarian reaction some men have to cruelty that is directed to themselves on a personal level. My father is the worst person I know on an emotional and social level. He is a good provider but he was no paragon of kindness in my childhood development. I vowed to myself in my teens that I would never ever be like him the way he was to me as a child. Which is why I'm known amongst my peers for my kindness and thoughtfulness when I interact with them on a daily basis (self-conceited admission but I call it like it is)
Simple fact of the matter is many people learn who they want to be by seeing who they don't want to be. My dad wasn't abusive to me or my sister not a physical guy or even a verbal guy.....he was just broken. People seem to forget Gen X really was the first broken generation of latchkey kids. My dad grew up rough on the streets of milwaukee in the 70's had a drunkbfor a mom who hid him and his siblings away from his father who was a very nice genuine man. He grew up fending for himself and being selfish. He left my mom for another woman and then tried to come back but it was one affair to many for my mom. I became man of the house at 18 trying to help mom and put myself through college. I had a deep dark pit of hate inaide me for many years. Wasn't until i had to fly to wisconsin to put my father in the ground that i let it go. He loved us i have no doubt but he was raised by an alchoholic cheater and he had some of that cheater in him. Needless to say my wife has nothing to worry about in that department, and my children will always get the attention they need from me. Its easy to beat on our parents and some are truly monsterous with no redeeming qualities......but many of them were damaged goods from the start especially fathers because they had their fathers ripped away from them themselves so they don't know how to be one.
This. This is how I remember Batman. Not the detective work, not the fights, not the legendary rogues gallery, not the contingency plans. This right here, is who Batman is. A broken man who got cheated out of his own childhood who doesn't want anyone else to experience that same pain ever again.
I used to think the same. Then I realized that Batman just risked millions of lives to avoid breeaking his one rule. He is not a hero in this scene, he is a villain.
That’s literally why he started the whole Batman thing people don’t realize he doesn’t do it for revenge, which is why he always tells his sidekicks justice not vengeance
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0:08 Waller: "Do you understand what you're agreeing to? The only way to stop Ace for certain is to kill her." Batman: _I'm not agreeing to anything. I'm just taking this weapon away from anyone willing to use it on Ace._
The best part is Ace can read his mind. He hid nothing from her. She knew deep down he cared about her and wanted to convince her to do the right thing. This kind of Batman is the hero that truly inspires me. The man who saw another broken human who just needed someone.
@@bauer0788 It's true, though. Watch the whole scene again. Waller clearly stated that when Ace dies, the psychic backlash could kill everyone within miles of her powers. He risked millions of lives in order to avoid breaking his one rule. He acted out of selfishness. The right thing to do would be to use the device. Had he been wrong, millions of deaths would be on his head. He was not heroic here. He was villainous.
This hurts even more knowing Kevin Conroy is gone… He made Batman, not only cool, badass, and complex, but also very human , caring and compassionate. His Batman had so much heart that made him relatable to anyone. RIP Kevin Conroy
Agree, some other writers focus too much on Batman's cold and brooding side, but what was missing is him being human, and rather talk it through then fight and beat criminals to death.
Notice something here: look what she made for herself. A castle. A swingset. Friends designed to be like her. And she can’t enjoy any of it, because she never got to learn how. Rest in peace, Ace. I hope you got to play like you always wanted to on the other side.
This is why I love Batman because despite him sounding angry all the time he does care for others and very understanding when it comes to stuff like this
When you're a kid/teen, still an emotional scene, but you're not aware enough of the context and nuances. When you're older....it hits different. Conroy's Batman was no boy-scout. He broke the rules, got the job done by any means necessary. But, he understood how precious life and childhood innocence was. Kevin, thank you, for all you were as a Batman of multiple Generations.
The fact Batman stayed with her until she passed is the kind of Batman that would fit Kevin Conroy. Batman knew Hawkgirl would just go up to Ace and kill her with the weapon, so he took it, and didn't use it. This is how kind Batman really is. This was the Batman I grew up watching. Conroy was a good voice actor for Batman and this type of Batman really fits him.
Now THIS is Batman not some cold blooded killer or an edge lord but someone who has went through great pain and is there to console the ones going through the same… Thank you Mr Conroy For your wonderful work!
i just realized something. j'onn always had a hard time reading batman's mind. but here, ace easily reads his. my theory: bruce let ace read his mind so she would know that she could trust him because he's been there. he knows what its like to not having a childhood.
Not exactly.. Batman let ace read his mind... Not to see his past but too ensure her that he will not harm her. Coincidently ace also got to know about batman's life that how much he has suffered, and after that she didn't ask even a single question from batman.
Bruce does have the ability to put up mental blockades to defend against mind readers and keep from from reading his mind. I would agree with you in that she wanted him to trust her, but I also agree with @IshanWayne in that he wants her to know he won’t harm her. I do also think tho that Bruce felt bad for Ace, and just wanted to be there for her as a human being. Batman is scary and strikes fear into criminals, but even with that fear and rage, at his core, THIS is Batman. This is why he does the shit he does: to protect the innocent
@@mrsoisauce9017 Literally the greatest. Like, you can imagine how he saw the innocence's in ace and how she went through her whole childhood. God, he really is a better hero, explains why superman and flash learn from him.
This Is something that I feel a lot of modern interpretations of Batman lack that compassion and warmth “Its not that Batman doesn’t care if anything he’s the one that most feels the most out of all of us”
If anyone ever wonders if that affected Batman in a long term way, well, what does he always name his dogs? He is still trying to comfort and protect Ace, to give her a home, even though she is gone.
Batman is first and foremost, a human just like you and me. Sure, he's disgustingly athletic and filthy rich, but he has no superpowers... except his humanity. And it shows in this series. He can understand villains, and sometimes even sympathises with them. Like he did with Ace here. This scene is such a bittersweet scene.
Moments like this are when superhero media is at it’s best. No big showdown with the arch nemesis. No epic battle to save the world. Just a simple heart to heart between the protagonist and someone who needed their help. These are real hero moments.
When Batman sits on the swing, the music shifts to this pan ultimate moment we know is coming. As humans, we distract ourselves from the finite destiny we all collectively share. But having to sit and watch a child face that ultimate moment so soon into their life is almost too cruel of a duty to bare. Ace deserved that last comfort, a simple handhold. Heavy duty bares heavey weight, but sometimes the simplest of gestures are the heaviest to carry.
The best Batman to ever exist man when I woke up and saw this online I had hoped someone played a sick joke but sadly it wasn’t. my heart breaks considering he was a big part of our childhood growing up. Rest in peace kevin conroy thank you for all the memories but more importantly thank you for being the best Batman that ever was.
To me: This is the standard of any creator who wants to create a great Batman. A good Batman is someone with awesome fight scenes and gadgets. But a *great* Batman is one who is the comforting presence to a stranger who is scared, alone and has lost their way. Be it someone who struggles in rehabilitation, someone who needs to be airlifted to safety…or a child in her final moments. Many creators only think of Batman as “Vengeance.” But sometimes they forget there is more to Kevin’s famous line: “I am Vengeance. I am The Knight! I! Am! *Batman* !”
This moment always stood out to me as a child and even now as an adult why Batman matters as a hero. It's easy for recent incarnations to lean into the depression and hard-core element of Batman but Batman at the end of the day is a person, a guy trying to make the world a better place. He was also a man robbed of a childhood. Bruce had to grow up faster than normal children and in turn committed to his goal to make sure no other kid looses their lives to a gun or violence. That's why this scene for me hits so hard. Ace is a child and like Bruce was robbed of her childhood with her powers and the government experiments. And worse, she's dying as a result. She doesn't deserve anything lofty like power, money or glory. All Ace wanted was someone who give her comfort, accept her for who she was. Bruce did that in her final moments. She wasn't a weapon but a scared child. Conroy's performance here was stellar in that you can tell Bruce flashed back to crime alley and his parents' death and in turn could do nothing about it. Hence, he did the only thing he could do as a hero, a person; give a dying child comfort. When you consider the fact Bruce would name his dog Ace in Batman Beyond, it adds so much meaning to this scene in how much he cared. Batman does care and has a heart. There's a reason why he doesn't kill. Killing is the easy path; the path that led him to loosing his parents. Protecting people is hard but it is the right path. The right path in that it builds inner strength, conviction. Something I find is lacking nowadays in most people.
I like to imagine that they talked about some sweet things that any little girl would have loved to do before she slowly nodded off in his arms. 💔 RIP Kevin Conroy, the best Batman
The animated series is the platinum standard I hold all Batmen up to. Whether that be comics, games, movies, tv, hell even fanfiction, this is who I expect when I see Batman. He is and will forever be my favorite superhero. Thank you Kevin Conroy and all the writers and animators who made this very special version of a character so beloved by many. There will never be another Batman like yours.
Rocksteady should be deeply ashamed and forever shamed for squandering Kevin Conroys last performance of Batman with a live service game. That shit pisses me off to no end.
Now this is a true Batman. Someone who will be there for you in your final moments, will understand & care for you. This must've been devastating for him. Watching this scene all of these years later still leaves me with tears. But it's a bit comforting knowing she at least didn't leave earth alone, but rather with the caring hand of Batman.
When you have to go back to moments like these to remind yourself this is the true kevin conroy batman... not the kill the justice league batman... RIP to the man who showed batman's more then just a symbol of fear
This is where Batman's true and greatest power comes in, his humanity. He identified with Ace, but that's not the sole reason why he chose to stand by her. She was the victim, a child with no childhood, the government was to blame for what she was doing, this is why he stood there until she peacefully passed away. And Mr. Kevin Conroy delivered us one the most emotional scenes ever written!
That “I’m scared…” is a punch in the heart. No child should ever feel this way, especially in their last days. Batman comforting Ace on that swing set says everything about Batman’s character. This is who he should be.
When I was a kid this scene made me cry for hours, I don’t know why and I’ve never cried because of a movie before except when the dogs or parents die in movies. I still like this scene it’s oddly comforting.
Rest easy Kevin Conroy, he was my Batman who truly captured the essence of the character so much thank you so much it wasn’t all for nothing, the scene with Ace was one of the best writing period and that will you stay with me always gets me
Man. This made me cry like a father even if I'm not even married or have a gf to begin with. It's like losing a child that had only one request before his or her dying breathe. Staying with him or her before his or her time.
This is why I love Batman. This is where we got to see Batman’s greatest skill that makes him a hero: his humanity. When the world saw Ace as a weapon, he saw nothing more than a reflection of himself. He saw a child who got robbed of their childhood by criminals, the very thing that led to Bruce Wayne becoming Batman. Batman never wants to hurt, let alone kill his enemies, he just wants to save them from themselves. Beneath that mask, Batman is a human being who’s hurt and doesn’t want anyone to hurt the way he’s had to. That’s why Ace only allowed Batman to get close to her because he’s the only one who understood what she was going through. This is what the legacy of Batman is all about. This is the Batman that Kevin Conroy left us with. RIP Kevin Conroy ❤
Gonna miss you Kevin.... you literally made up a HUGE amount of my childhood .... you weren't always vengeance, you weren't always the night, but above all else when it was necessary to be you were ALWAYS Batman .... rest easy friend, we'll never forget you ❤
"Carry on, my wayward son, There'll be peace when you are done. Lay your weary head to rest, don't you cry no more....." (Ace obviously being the "wayward son" here......)
This was the moment in my childhood, when I realized what a heroic action truly was. I still tear up when I see it or write this because before this moment, I want to be like bat man for me. But after this scene I wanted to be like Batman, because of what he did for somebody else.
This voice of Batman left behind a fantastic legacy. Absolutely fantastic. I wish I met him. Rest In Peace Kevin Conroy. You will always be our Batman.
Batman might be the caped Crusader but to a lonely child, he is just a guy who wants to help people We all think that Batman is ruthless, brutal and fearsome but, he's the most humane hero in the JL
And that’s why Batman will always be the greatest. Everyone was ready to take her out like she was a weapon or a monster. But Batman saw for what she really was, scared lonely child who has been robbed of her life. She may have died, but she at least went peacefully with someone who actually cared for her and her suffering. She died knowing that there are some good people out there.
