After being captured and sent to Blackgate, the Joker meets Harley. They then have an interview that explores Joker's mind. Or at least, what is left of it.
@@Juleeeeeeeee Wow wow I didn't realize that until I read your comment. Maybe it's because English isn't my main language and I was more focused in the Joker's imagination than the subtitles. Thanks a lot xD
Nope apparently Harleen was too lonely even after being so hot looking, therefore, she related herself and couldn't get out of the positive transference hence, she is not a good therapist or psychiatrist, and was a bad choice from the list of doctors treating Arthur (joker).
That's why he hates all the Robins so much, and anyone else whom Batman may consider a friend/partner. Hell, even Batman's other foes are considered unworthy. For the Joker, the only two that matter is him and Batman. They're on this ride together, a fall if you will, and are trapped in a mindset so far from "sanity" that no could possibly be on the same level of comprehension as they are.
John Beaird Actually, since Joker is mentally ill, putting him behind bars would be cruel. As a person battling mental illness, I can tell you. It sucks ass when you have no control over yourself. When you're just a muse to a nameless anger than they call "mental illness." I'm not violent...I don't have anything as bad as the joker. But one day, I could explode. People like us don't have any way to vent once we have a label. People's view of the mentally ill is much more frightening than the reality. In reality, Joker is more so the victim. Something messed him up, and it wasn't his fault. He just wasn't strong enough to fight off whatever hurt him, so he was forced to cave in. It sucks to be the victim in a bad guy costume. Trust me.
+SuperYoshikong in the recent comics shes in a relationship with ivy and in batman the animate series they were paired together in a lot of episodes and implied to be really really close friends
The Joker They aren't bestfriends, Joker needs Batman to put a stop to his chaos because he knows if there was no batman to stop the criminals all criminals would be the same, amd batman just hates joker but refuses to kill, joker hates batman, so much he wants him dead but he's insane so he won't kill him because as I said he needs him
Mo Bhuiyan He makes conection, because they are antipodes. You see, they are both CrAzY, but joker is funny, not serious, kills people, and pretty much evil. Batman is all the way around. They are more look alike than you think.
@@grazielaalmeida8438 I don't have many friends either. In fact, I can think of maybe only two or three people I text regularly and see them in real life quite infrequently. I've accepted long ago that I do feel actual loneliness at some points but it's almost a kind of existential loneliness where I just let that be, because what else can I do? I am so used to the feeling that it almost seems normal, and for me I would scoff at the idea some person who I've met for the first time suddenly wants to give me a pep talk about seeing something uniquely special in me and how we're meant to be. I am too cynical for that. My loneliness can't be fixed by another person. There is no be all and end all as a solution.
Lol, i hate that line. No one who looks like her “doesn’t have a lot of friends” -or more accurately: i hate when writers try to make the hot girl gettable by pretending social awkwardness trumps beauty ( _c.f. New Girl_ )
@@doctaflo she has low self-esteem issues and probably other mental issues, due to trauma from her past in her childhood and teenage years. No matter how attractive you are, if you aren't socially desirable people will reject you and only approach you because of your looks, which can probably just result in sexual harassment and abuse instead of actually having friends
@@joseluis5055 i mean, yeah, you’re right, the super-rare tragic hottie with her backstory might have those issues, but I stand by my critique of the trope, less because of its level of fidelity to real-world psychodynamics and more because i find it hacky and a little insulting
ImmaChiaotzu1 I personally prefer Harley and Joker as a more Bonnie and Clyde couple than an abusive one. A movie with a better script could have made it better though. The Joker Blogs gives a great version of Mad Love though.
This is incredibly brilliant. This perfectly establishes the love triangle between Harley , Joker, and Batman. Joker gives affection to Batman while Haley wishes it was for her
why people actually see that as a romantic atraction or some shit, Joker sees Batman as a brother, a naive brother who is on his level and still as crazy as him, like Cain and Abel
@@doncomedia7927 lmao a brother? No way someone that looks at someone as a brother calls them darling, handsome, grabs his groin, smacks his ass, gets jealous over other people getting his attention, all the sexual innuendos, the "only you" in his poem, the poem itself that he sung to Batman, the comics; Harley sees it with Joker, Catwoman sees it Joker, Gordan sees it with Batman, Robin sees it both of them, Superman sees it with Batman, you get it by now. And that being said yes they have this bond in which they look at eachother as friends, but there's the romantic aspect as well, so it's not completely platonic.
Joker wasn't manipulating anyone, he was talking about himself and his relationship with batman. Harleen just thought he was talking about her, that in addition to her own tremendous loneliness was all Joker needed to "manipulate" her.
I like how you say in the same sentence that he both manipulated and didn’t manipulate her. Which is it, bud? He obviously manipulated her in this scene, he was intentionally keeping it vague to dodge answering her questions and take advantage of her. Don’t be so naive.
There are some great quotes from this clip coming from Joker: "And then you meet someone who changes your life - And you feel that you don’t even know who you are any more. Isn’t it funny how one little encounter can CLEAVE off little pieces of your past, DEFORM your memories and persona until you rethink your whole identity - and as you realize how foolish it all is - your LAUGHTER reverberates off the wall of your own emptiness." Awesomely well said in my opinion. Saving it for Great Quotes of the DCU.
That's the point lmao. She fell in love with him while he was saying all of that, and when she practically went side by side with him, he never really cared what happened to her. Hence why Joker NEVER actually tried to kill the Batman.
If I didn't know that was Troy Baker, I would have thought it was Mark Hamill. Very convincing. Also, anyone notice how quickly Harley's voice changes?
Never forget his final words. "Bruce No! I need you..." - Batman Arkham Knight Joker's biggest fear is him losing Batman and Batman forgetting about him.
Well, at least his fears will never come true (in this universe) even though he’s locked up in Bruce’s head, he’ll never truly leave him. As for forgetting? Not a chance. The joker may be dead and the last remnant of him locked away, but the memories and trauma of everything will never leave Bruce. When we see Arkham Batman again in the comics he’s a broken depressed man after nightfall, absolutely distraught that the joker has come back to life.
I agree. The Arkham games understood the Joker and Harley infinitely better than in Suicide Squad. They aren't supposed to actually be in love, or have the audience talking about "hashtag relationships"... -_- Joker gets Harley hopelessly infatuated with him, and he just uses her for plans, not as a companion or friend.
@@thepillowhead2453 he is barely crazy. Crazy people aren't very aware of their world around them and consequences. Joker is fully aware of morality and the world around him, in real life he doesn't qualify as "insane"
I can't believe people didn't like this game or even said it was the worst in the series this cutscene let alone made it up to par possibly even beyond arkham city and asylum
***** That was obvious though, the joker was the main focus of asylum and city if he wasn't the main focus in the prequel so many people will questioning why he was so important in asylum and city origins showed you why
I think part of the problem is that AOrigins was a victim of the Arkhamverse series own success, with the critical success of AAsylum and ACity hopes and expectations were so high that when it came out there was always going to be more harsh critisism than impartiality (which wasnt helped by the bugs or certain gameplay style choices). Lets be fair though it is still an amazing game that achieves a great deal and has some truely outstanding moments (like this one) but it was under pressure to live up to a lot of hype and therefore any stumbles get blown into sharper focus. So yes it might be the most harshly critiqued and lowest scored game in the series but that does not mean it is a bad game, it could have been far worse. However Rocksteady seem to have used the opportunity well, listened to all the praise and critisim and adapted their new work accordingly. Arkham Knight looks like something really spectacular that should at least heal some wounds AOrigins created, however unintentionally.
im planning on getting this eventually regardless of reviews. I have played plenty of games that got bad reviews and i loved them. UGH just look at crap like Call of Duty. Gets 9's and 10's and hasent done crap new since the first MW. Im glad Ghost has gotten some negative reviews, Its about time.
In my opinion, Origins was the worst in the series! Not bad by any means, but the one I, personally, had the least fun playing. I liked it! Especially the new enemy archetypes. But it felt too much like Arkham City... Again, IT'S NOT BAD! It was just not good enough to be any higher on my list! I do have one major gripe with it and that's the bugs in the PC version! Besides that...it was ok! :)
John Eusebio Make him laugh! Make him laugh, don't you know everyone wants to laugh hah hah... I couldn't help myself referencing singing in the rain :P
The poor girl thinks she's talking about him when referring to the one who "understands", but there's only one person that TRULY interests Joker... and that person's not in a lab coat.
i really do feel sorry for harley. she's an emotional wreck with no sense of self and has been manipulated by this evil dude and will stand by him, even if it means dying by his hand, because she feels as if being with joker is the closest thing to love she has ever felt.
theXtreme1man The difference here is that Joker is an insane killer who dresses like a clown and only does crimes for the joy of it, The funny (No pun intended) part of it is, Batman made him this way (In the Arkham universe) As you can see the joker use to actually do crimes for a reason, Impersonating Black Mask, Getting money from the bank, Etc. But his only purpose now is to make batman snap, Kill somebody, Or even become insane himself, Batman made joker more insane than he already is, And Joker did the same thing to Harley.
VideoGameFools and the thing is, its a cycle of misinterpreted love. joker was deprived of love and when he met batman, he began to love him because thats what he thought a loving relationship was or felt like. same with harley.
I spend half my teenage years trying to pick up girls, nothing works. A psychopath uses smart words and a story, picks up a hottie in less than 7 minutes.
I honestly feel bad for the joker. He is incredibly sick and he can't help it. He can't change who he is now and batman knows this yet repeatedly tries to keep him in check hoping that somehow he will get better, but that will never happen. The saddest thing is that batman created the joker.
The death penalty is usually always wrong. However, their is a very small amount of humans. That their very existence is evil and needs to be put down. Sadly the Joker is one of these, batman should kill him. All Joker will every do is cause harm to others.
hmahmo She said " a quick psychiatric evaluation" and they were the same clothes and it's the same location before and after the "flashbacks". So yeah, I think he just talked to her five minutes and she 's already onboard. That's sloppy writing if you ask me.
Hah, caught that the second time around; was distracted the first time I watched this. I still think it's a pretty decent symbolic summary of "The Killing Joke" though.
I love the slight ring noise you can hear when Harleen says that cops always beat on the sick and defenseless. It symbolizes the exact moment Joker realizes he can manipulate her.
I was thinking that too. I wonder why they would have changed it to Blackgate Prison seeing as the Joker's insane and Blackgate's houses the non-insane criminals.
Nightman221k Technically they do meet each other in the Arkham Asylum. Since this game is taking place in Batmans early career, Blackgate hadn't changed name to Arkham yet. But it is the same place. If I recall correctly..
I love the fact they tie in "The Killing Joke" into this game. For those who don't know, "The Killing Joke" is considered one of the top Batman/Joker stories, and not only inspired Christopher Nolan's "The Dark Knight", but also inspired Tim Burton's "Batman."
This scene displays the relationship between all three characters PERFECTLY. Joker is truly obsessed with batman; he doesn't understand him and unlike anyone he has ever met before, he actually FEARS him--more so than death...much more. However, he devotes that obsession towards a weak-minded, impressionable Harleen. In my humble opinion, "Harley" is THE most tortured out of any of Joker's victims. She believes that the Joker is her one true love, but she will ultimately lead a torturous life because he will always show her enough "love" to keep her hanging on... only to brutally smash her heart through deception, verbal and physical abuse.
Arkham Origins: You of all people should know, there's nothing so CRUEL as MEMORY. Arkham City: Nice of you to say, but you of all people should know, there's plenty wrong with me.
What i got from this conversation is that Joker is just playing ultimate "notice me senpai!" With Batman. Maybe that's why he's crazy because senpai never notices.
A lot of these comments are how Harley failed to see what Joker was really talking about, others are talking about Joker's past. I'm just really amazed that Joker has his own fight and his own style. He wasn't a playable character aside from this part of the story right? I mean, Batman is the only playable character aside from this scene in Origins.
Troy Baker... Perfect. I can't say he's better than Mark Hamil because he's basically just doing Mark Hamil's version of the voice, but even that takes talent.
Only you... can make this world seem right. Only you... can make the darkness bright. Only you and you alone... Can thrill me like you do... And fill my heart with love for only you. Only you... can make this change in me. For it's true, you are my destiny. When you hold my hand I understand... the magic that you do You're my dream come true. My one and only you... Only you... can make this change in me. For it's true... you are my destiny. When you hold my hand I understand... the magic that you do You're my dream come true... My one and only you...
He's not gay for him, he has never been able to relate to anyone except him. Batman is the ONLY person in the world who understands him on a way. Joker just wants to be understood by someone and Harley thinks she understands him, she really tries but she just doesn't understand him like Batman does but she does care about him the same way that Joker cares about Batman in his twisted way
@@liamrutland4025 agreed more like "love" is a deep obsession. what i don't really get is why?. Batman is only doing his job an it's obvious that he doesn't sees joker the way joker sees him. so what makes him so especial?
@@dissolve00 the fact that he saved his life after Joker spent all night to kill him, he's obsessed because he feels that Batman in his own violent way cares for him
Not quite. The simple fact is.. Guano man is very special to me. Without him, I wouldn't have anything fun to do!.. There would be no purpose to my life, Batsy gives me that purpose.
Batman fascinates the Joker, and gives his life a new purpose. He thinks they have a unique "understanding" of one another, that no other criminal gets. Batman obviously doesn't share that assessment, and hates him - has even come close to killing him more than once, because obviously the Joker has filled entire graveyards with people, and is pretty much beyond any redemption. Lots of Joker stories, deal with him trying to push Batman's limits, just to see what he will do. He is the chaos to Batman's order. In one recent storyline he sets out to kill Batman's closest allies, simply because he thinks they are holding him back. The Batman-Joker relationship is awesome, and legendary. Quite possibly the best conflict in all of comic books.
the visuals and dialogue in thsi summarize the joker to PERFECTION. it summarizes what will probably be the closest look into his mind we have ever had
Adam Duffield No, I thought that Rossini wrote music specifically for Kubrick's movie 150 years in advance. I also thought that a soundtrack of a movie always needs to have contemporary music in it, because otherwise it couldn't possibly be a soundtrack. Sarcasm aside, I have the soundtrack from the movie and that includes music that was composed for it by Walter Carlos but never included in the movie. The electronic versions of classical pieces by Walter/Wendy Carlos WERE made for "A Clockwork Orange". Carlos had a lot of previous experience with that. Kubrick kinda beats Tarantino in the way he uses a song used for another movie into his own. In this case Gene Kelly's "Singing in the Rain" from the movie with the same name, predating "A Clockwork Orange" by almost 20 years. So yes, "Singing in the Rain" is in the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack too, despite having been made when Burgess hadn't even written his novel. Finally, this scene here is a nice homage to A Clockwork Orange, as it takes place next to a stage and has the Joker violently beating up a lot of people.
It was also used in Sherlock. Moriarty was actually dancing to it while stealing the Crown Jewells from the Tower :'D So is it a coincidence that this music gets connected to villains this much?
Whatever Joker is capable of, I now see him as something akin to sad. Batman may do the things he does all stemming from the notion of some kind of revenge but Joker's actions just seem to scream out that he's someone and not just another faceless person among the crowd. Relate to that if you want but in the end, that's what Joker is most afraid of: being forgotten. To that I say, suck it up buttercup.
That was surprisingly deep. Well, a little more than I expected, which is to say very. And, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I didn't even think about the lack of Mark Hamill till a good solid minute after the video was over.
There's something I'm confused on. As both 3 games are good games but... If this all happened the comics how does this all tie in together with the killing joke comic? It has been confirmed that Batman kills the joker at the end of the comic and it ends but then we have story from Arkam City were the joker does from weakness. This doesn't make any sense and I thought Batman doesn't kill. Can some one please explain.
Juan Carlos Delgado Batman doesn't kill the Joker at the end of Killing Joke. All that happens in the end is the Joker telling Bats a joke, which Bats surprisingly starts laughing at. The final scene then shows Bats grabbing the laughing Joker and that's where it ends. Assumingly, the Joker is then taken to jail/asylum.
"So... I see you received the free ticket I sent you. I'm glad. I did so want you to be here. You see it doesn't matter if you catch me and send me back to the asylum... Gordon's been driven mad. I've proved my point. I've demonstrated there's no difference between me and everyone else! All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day. You had a bad day once, am I right? I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad day and everything changed. Why else would you dress up as a flying rat? You had a bad day, and it drove you as crazy as everybody else... Only you won't admit it! You have to keep pretending that life makes sense, that there's some point to all this struggling! God you make me want to puke. I mean, what is it with you? What made you what you are? Girlfriend killed by the mob, maybe? Brother carved up by some mugger? Something like that, I bet. Something like that... Something like that happened to me, you know. I... I'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice! Ha ha ha! But my point is... My point is, I went crazy. When I saw what a black, awful joke the world was, I went crazy as a coot! I admit it! Why can't you? I mean, you're not unintelligent! You must see the reality of the situation. Do you know how many times we've come close to world war three over a flock of geese on a computer screen? Do you know what triggered the last world war? An argument over how many telegraph poles Germany owed its war debt creditors! Telegraph poles! Ha ha ha ha HA! It's all a joke! Everything anybody ever valued or struggled for... it's all a monstrous, demented gag! So why can't you see the funny side? Why aren't you laughing?"
The funny part is that joker was right when he said all it takes is one very bad day thats unique to someone for them to lose themselves and their humanity
