people blame todays failing superhero movies on “superhero fatigue “ its more like bad writing fatigue. this movie was treated with respect and intelligence
Right but there's some dumb scenes like the moment he's literally jumping across buildings with his car...wtf and screaming rachel like a madman and where's the drugs and who sent you...calm down bale
@beep boop Beep education is scam created to doctrine you and sucking money from working class, believing that their live could be better with it. Before school exist people already working and gain expirience from real life.
beep boop Beep its not base on the movie, its base on real life. This movie just happened to have something slightly relateable in real life. The mistake of education system this day is they teach you something that almost useless in real life. All of those math, science, social science etc almost have no use when one day you get a job or start your own business. Its all just for the sake of getting some degree that have no guarantee of making your life better but not skill and experience. Let's just take example people who make this movie like you said. Did they educated? Maybe. Did they learn how to be good director, actor, writer, cinematographer, cgi artist in some school? Most probably not. Well yes there is some school where you can learn all of that, but let's be honest here, most people getting a job that are different than what they learn in school. They learn about sociopolitic but working at bank, architecture but become enterpreneur, economy but become artist. This is also the mistake of education, it doesn't make you realize your own potential until you actually graduated and its all to late. The people who make this movie probably getting their skill from autodidact learning base on their passion not in school. Most of them maybe not come from school that teach you how to make movies.
Mr Chaser Bale isn’t the reason the dark knight is the best super hero movie of all time objectively that’s all Nolan, but bale is still the best batman right now Pattison could top him only time will tell
a_white _smurf that’s you’re opinion and I agree Logan is the best marvel movie apart from maybe spiderman 2 but the dark knight will always be my favourite superhero movie
Bale is a unique batman set in too a mord realistic plint of view. For me The best comic batman atm is batfleck he dis a super god Bruce Wayne from The comics. This is like an alternative version of batman and it is a masterpiece even IF u dont like Bale.
I know the Dark Knight is a fantastic film. But for me, Begins just has this special place in my heart. One that even Nolan’s arguably best film cannot shake.
@@Hadex01 well…I mean some of the editing of it could be better but the emotional core of the story on these fights and the characterization helps me move past that, especially the final act of TDK where it isn’t flashy but the entire stake is high af, Joker’s brilliant set up of doctors and clowns, Cops are clueless, Batman have to save everyone it’s just an underrated sequence
"your parents' death was not your fault... it was your father's" gives me chills every time. best line in the series, and delivered perfectly by neeson.
his father was weak...you can't be this rich and not have the ability to defend yourself .... a man must be capable of great evil and at the same time learn to control his animality
Nah, “the training is nothing, the will is everything.” Is the best. Delivered perfectly as well. That or the line about wishing your loved ones never existed to spare your pain.
He believes a way of surving justice is by eliminating people who don't follow his methods. He believes this is the solution for living in balance. People who have extreme ways of thinking are usually ''fanatic''. Take for example Thanos, he believes killing half of the population would create balance. Less people, less food hunger, etc. This makes kinda sense from a point of view. But ethicaly, it is wrong. So, he is not evil, but in the wrong. Sorry if I wrote a lot, I find this character interesting. Edit: OH MY GOD. I just saw the third movie of the trilogy and didn’t expect Ra’s Al Ghoul to come back!!! And the ending was 🤩
he believes in absolute justice, yet not for himself. He commits murder to galvanize others to do things, such as by killing Bruce Wayne's parents to motivate Gotham City
"Crime can not be tolerated, criminals thrive on society's understanding" "Compassion is a weakness your enemy will not share" This movie is so relatable and powerful, it shows how corruption can destroy a city/ nation by spreading injustice, crime and poverty. Bruce had to fight both crime and corruption in the system at the same time. It encourages good ppl to unite together to stand up against evil. As evil gather it's allies so should good. Bruce still needed Rachel's and Gordon's help.
This is true, this is why in Greekistan (Greece) police seriously lets Gýpsïes to rob whole storages and get away with crime because the police are actually in fact the most spineless cowards who have no will to act and justice. They only over-react to criminals who are Rhomioi/"Greek" and to Gýpsïes and to Albanians criminals to an extent, are cowardly chuckling like coward chickens they really are and never catch them.
Except the movie was about how that was wrong and how Bruce rose above that mentality. In reality, this ironically a poor understanding of "understanding". We can understand crime and criminals without being tolerant of it. In fact understanding of crime and criminals is vital to solving and reducing crime and criminals. This bullish mentality about crime and criminals that Ras espouses is how we perpetuated the war on drugs, which is a complete and utter failure.
I think showing Bruce training to become Batman was the best decision Nolan made. Often times, we see Bruce's parents are killed and the next time we see him, he's Batman. But actually showing how Bruce goes from a scared but angry orphan, seeing how he doesn't start out planning to become a vigilante, but rather as someone for whom crime becomes an obsession, someone filled with anger and rage, and then seeing how a mentor is able to help him channel and focus that rage to become something more. It adds a very human element to Batman.
U571 agree ...and the music's good....very good trilogy....Batman the best superhero...no powers just human and learned what was needed.....that's super..yes?
wolfjester44 one of the best voices. There's Liam, Morgan Freeman, Kevin Conroy, Jeremy Irons, the voice of Mufasa😅 and I can't think of any other right now but I know there is are few more! Coolest voices ever!!!!
18 years. I went from a 11 year boy to a 29 year old man. The Will to Act is the the greatest advice, delivered by Liam Neeson - touches every nerve, memory, belief in my head.
It seems like that the live action ras al ghuls i’ve seen don’t really come off as evil villains that want to take over the world or city like most villain ,instead someone that has a vision that believes in order and justice but seeks a illegitimate son to carry on his legacy and have questionable methods to achieve them
Damn... Come to think of it, Ra's totally foreshadowed the Joker when he mentioned that 'there are those who must be fought without decency who must be fought without hesitation, without pity.' Complete genius.
Bitchslapper316 this subtle point was missed by most people. Alfred is basically admitting that the solution to catching the bandit was doing what Ra’s wanted to do to Gotham. The Dark Knight is a movie that is pretty much proving his point about society. When you also include the events of TDKR, Ra’s al Ghul is the main antagonist of the trilogy.
I disagree to an extent. Ras wanted to destroy ALL of Gotham. Having no hope even for the countless innocents on it. He claims that every person of Gotham is some form of criminal. Just like how Joker claims that every person is a monster. But these are all extremities. Remember the 2 ships? They were proof that people in general would want nothing more than to live peaceful lives whenever they can. The ship with civilians unwilling to stain their souls, the ship with criminals unwilling to act on such a drastic evil. The criminals in this case is even proof that most of them ended up criminals usually not by 100% choice. Joker and Ras’ ideals are true, but they are extremes, and cannot be used to define society/humans. Batman fights for the hope we all have, a hope that we all want good, and that even the tainted deserve a second chance to prove that sense of good.
The scene with Bruce crying in Alfred’s arms ultimately sums up the pain that Batman embodies - a child eaten alive by an unimaginable amount of guilt about seemingly causing the deaths of the two people he cared about the most. Harnessing that pain, guilt, fear, and rage into something positive is the greatest challenge.
Man this hits hard. But damn true. Anyone who has had to live with the burden of guilt caused by a loss (call it death, call it breakup), understands your point.
This is an old post. But I understand. I failed to save my two best friend from death and it's haunted me for years.. idk how to accept it. I've blamed myself and it's held me back from everything in life. I always think of them and I'm trying so hard to break out of it, but I cant. I wish I had Bruce's strength to pull me out of this 😔
This is why Batman always had the best origin story imo, he wasn't just gifted the ability to be a hero from some supernatural accident, he instead became one through years of hard work and introspection.
And he's probably teaching him classic ninjutsu and tradecraft about how to engage a much larger force, like instead of fighting head on do things like sabotage and target there leaders for assassination/kidnapping, Reconnaissance etc. There are stories and legends of Ninja doing all kinds of crazy stuff during war.
Not sure this is exactly what he meant, realistically this is more plausible. By my interpretation has always been, he knows how to beat 6 men single handedly, but engaging 600 as in initiating combat with 600 different opponents with the best probability of success and strategy. Meaning for example later in the movie he jumps in the center of more than a dozen armed thugs but engages them at once surrounded while maintaining control and dominance. Not instantly brawling them and beating them instantly, sort of how sherlock holmes fought in that one scene but against a larger force of people. So figuratively and movie wise raas was saying he could teach bruce to jump into an army of people and be able to fight. I know one example that contradicts this is later in the movie when hes swarmed by deranged civilians, I'd argue he wasnt actually fighting them. But that's also just how I saw it.
I like that Ra's opens up about his life with Bruce. It shows the respect and trust that he has for him. If only he shared the same views as Bruce they could've accomplished many things together
@@dannyboy4140 he introduced himself as Henri ducard (a former French detective) from the books I never understood why Nolan did this. Because Ras al ghul is from the Middle East his league of shadows were Arabian warriors but in begins there are Chinese or black man wich is completely wrong. It should have been Middle East looking people. Also ras al ghul was the son of a Sultan wich makes him a Muslim from his religion it should be included I think Nolan didn’t understand the character correctly
“Until the memories of your loved ones are just poison in your veins. And one day you catch yourself wishing, the one you loved has never existed. so you'd be spared of your pain..." So many great lines!!!
+Lucretia Debrev because we can all relate to that. we all lose the ones we love, and wish that we never had known them, because the memories of them really are poison in our vains. whoever did the writing of this script, is a fuckin genius.
+Wentao Feng 'If you make yourself MORE than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal. And if they can't stop you, you become something else entire.' 'Which is?' 'A legend, Mr Wayne.' I liked this line the most. Pretty good meaning, don't you say?
The greatest Batman film and one of the greatest films, not just superhero films, ever made. A comprehensive character study of one of the greatest literary figures in human history.
Preach, man. How they manage to take comic book characters and make them complex on a psychological and philosophical level while still retaining the pace and badassery that a comic book medium needs is mind-numbingly spectacular. Batman Begins is among my favorite movies ever.
it's terrifying that people hear this quote and think it's intelligent. Wanting to live in a society where criminals are brutalized and any nuance is discarded as "weakness" is literally what separates the enlightened from the savage.
Heath Ledger was phenomenal in his role as Joker but Batman Begins is my favourite in the trilogy because of the dark tone it had. Neeson was spectacular and totally nailed the role as R'as al-Ghul
It took me the longest time to realize that what Ras was saying was that being angry and living with that rage inside makes you weak. But to control it and to use it as a tool rather than a Vice makes you all the more powerful
@@kevdadragonslxyer5300 Well, thats one of the reasons. But many people don't know that when your angry and filled with rage, You're more mature and Focused mentally and you're stronger physically. You could use this power to assert dominance, however, if you let it control you, you will regret it. Just like when you're extremely angry, you feel like you can punch and break a wall, but if you try doing that, your fist will break.
I've actually learned so much from Bruce Wayne in all 3 movies. Not only is this a badass superhero movie, it teaches you to make the right decisions and have "the will to act".
Dallasmed65 to me, I think the greatest lesson to get from this movie is why failure is important for us to learn how to rise up again, I:e “Why do we fall?”
Dallasmed65 watch Batman: Gotham Knight. There’s a segment called working through the pain. And also read Hush. It goes into some detail about his training before he took on the cowl. You won’t regret it! The trilogy is amazing but his training here pales in comparison with what Bruce actually went through. Especially in Tibet.
‘Warm your chest, your arms will take care of themselfs’ that was the quote my brain fixed in my memory for some reason, i was really shocked when years later i heard Nolan saying that this is not really true, but he tought it would sound legit, and it did. Especially when Liam Neeson delivers the line.🤣
It must have been such a breath of air to watch this upon its initial release because people at the time probably had such a shallow perception of Batman from the Burton/Shoemaker movies along with the 60’s series. They likely just viewed Batman as a typical superhero who fights the villain in Gotham City because that’s what they were accustomed to over the past previous decades in cinema and television. This movie exploring him more as a complexed and layered character who trains in the Himalayas to learn how to fight injustice must’ve been such a refreshing portrayal to witness. This movie really captured the human being persona of a man trying to become something terrifying to save a city riddled with scum. No other depiction maybe outside comics and the animated series (which not much of the general audience was familiar with, just die hards and children) explored this part of Batman in media prior to this films release.
I used to worship that line but time since I have realized that it is a half-truth. Think of it like this: One can decide he/she wants gold in the Olympics. But unless you train your ass off everyday and build your body up to Olympic standards you will never win gold or even qualify. The will to succeed/win is important but equally important is the training that comes out of that will power. You need both.
We must take into account the context of the line, "the will to act" the point isn't to purely prize willpower and disposition above all else, he's driving forward the point that one must capitalize on opportunities regardless of whether or not the odds are favorable. "The guy had a gun" Rahs reprimands Bruce for creating a rationalization instead of coming to the conclusion that in life one must act regardless of whether or not the conditions are ideal or one has had "training"
this scene still send chills to my spine.I was lost in my life with no drive at all, but that word 'Will to act is everything" this single sentence ignited something inside of me. Im very grateful to nolan for this movie and mr.bale for protraying in the best possible manner
“Your anger gives you great power, but if you let it, it will destroy you.” Why do I feel like this would be a legit thing for Qui-Gon Jin to say in Star Wars???
@@aamirrazak3467 Her name is Tahl, she is his fellow Jedi from the same clan back when he was an initiate. They love each other dearly but both of them choose Jedi's duty first so they didn't get married or anything. Just continue to care for each other as a close friend.
I loved that Batman was a dude who worked his tail off and was trained by the best in the world, even if they were villainous. Super legit backstory and it just feels great. These scenes have a timelessness to them.
"You have learned to bury your guilt with anger. I will teach you to confront it and to face the truth". That moment is as if a veil shrouding Bruce from the reality of the world fell.
This trilogy will never be surpassed, in my opinion. The development and detail of the characters, the script, the music, the cinematography. Everything is perfect.
I don't know. Lord of the Rings had all of those things too, and made a lot of technical innovations as well. Remember, the Batman trilogy contained Bane, the least understandable character in Hollywood history. His scenes were barely comprehensible without subtitles. The first two Batman films were amazing. But the Dark Knight Rises was so full of plot holes it lived in a plot ditch, the new characters were terrible, the script was of a lower standard, and the fight scenes were boring and terribly shot. When it comes to cinematography, I think that the only film that comes close to perfection is Mad Max. God that film was amazingly shot.
+NOMADSPY You could? I found that he mumbled too much, and that his speech was garbled by his face-mask. Some of the time, he was understandable. But he also had moments when he was completely unintelligible. To be fair though, Bale's Batman had the same problem sometimes, with that ridiculous voice he put on. When he said "where's the trigger, you'd never give it to an ordinary citizen' he sounded like he'd drunk a whole keg of beer that had also been full of razor blades.
***** Definitely this. Mad Max has the best special effects and CGI i have ever seen. It's the blend of CGI and live action that makes it so convincing to the eye. So much of that film was live action, and the CGI so well blended into the action, that it didn't stand out as fake, like CGI usually does. Of course, it helps that all the most insane and impressive stunts in Mad Max were actual, physical stunts. When the truck crashed into the canyon.. i would never have believed they actually did that to the War Rig if I hadn't watched the making of special features That said, even cheap CGI can be done amazingly well with a good team. Iron Sky has genuinely impressive CGI, and it only had a budget of 10 million dollars. Transformers Dark of The Moon had about 10 times that and had effects that looked like they'd been done by first year grad students. Which is a shame really, because Mad Max was one of the best films I've ever seen and barely turned a profit. Whereas Michael Bay films just make all of the money in the world.
Nolan explained, the line "rub your chest, your arms will take care of themselves" was actually nonsense made by him, but liam neeson's delivery made it sound like a legit advice
"My anger outweighs my guilt." No one is going to beat Christian Bale's portrayal as Batman. He was born for the role. Every line that comes from him seems so natural!
+Thrilla Whale I decided a long time ago that I was going to skip that. lol I'm more than content with Christian Bale and Michael Caine. Can't beat perfection.
“The impossible anger, strangling the grief until the memory of your loved ones is just poison in your veins, until one day you’ll catch yourself wishing the person you loved had never existed, so you’d be spared your pain.” Beautifully written with such a heartfelt and painful meaning within, the words are so truthful as the loss of someone so close to your heart can twist your mind and take your thoughts to the darkest of places that feels inescapable. Batman Begins. 10/10.
Ron Brown you don't get the meaning of that line do you? The message behind it? Being able to take 6 men out by yourself would be seen as an impressive feat. What Raz's is saying with every line is that he can make Bruce do the impossible.
The line doesn't mean he'll learn to physically fight 600 men at once. It's talking about tactics, psychological warfare , being able to engage your enemies and defeat them without the need to physically fight them. Batman's greatest asset in the DC universe has always been his mind not his fighting abilities.
2:39 - That *”It was your father’s”* moment was so amazing…I feel like this movie did such a good job in that moment of emphasising what it means to be a man and how it does ultimately fall to you to protect your family. I feel like we would never get a moment like that one in a modern movie.
A man carries many responsibilities on his shoulders, having the strength to bear them is a must. Tragedy can sometimes teach us how to find that strength, much like Bruce.
Ras is incredibly idealistic and obviously portayed as an extremist and fanatic. Its mind boggling to me that people are seeing him as a role model with his one sided nuanceless view of the world. This is not what it means to be a man and he is clearly a wrong source of guidence. In the end its just a well written movie Villain and shouldnt be applied 100% to the real world
@@anonymesarschgesicht1715 I'll give you that. Ras has a very black and white value structure. That being said, everything Ras says in this scene is 99% true, especially regarding the death of Bruce's parents being his father's fault. Ultimately his father's lack of action can absolutely be seen as a lack of willingness to protect his family. His father chose to trust that a desperate man would not pull the trigger instead of looking for an opportunity to disarm him, or at least physically engage the armed man to allow Bruce and his mother to flee to safety. Basically there were multiple options available at that time, and even though the best course of action was unknown at the time, ultimately Thomas Wayne's decisions led to both his and his wife's deaths.
Baleman was a character with an actual backstory and actual characterization. Batfleck was like a Batman from those batinthesun videos - a cool looking stunt guy who is only good at beating people up.
"huh? everybody knows batman's motivation and backstory." I'm pretty sure that majority of people who saw BvS had no idea about why Batman was murdering criminals, which Robin was dead and why he was dead and who killed him, and why Bruce wants to kill Superman in the first place. Those things were never addressed in previous movies, hence none of the people would understand those things without backstory. "His character is a melancholy/crazy/angry man with the worlds greatest willpower. Don't hate on an actually great batman because you like bale so much..." Batman's entire point is that he isn't crazy. He manages to always stay away from that line that may turn him into bad guy. And I like Bale more because is a better character.
QUEX Batfleck appealed to edgy teenagers who spent their lives making memes on the internet and don’t understand Batman’s promise to his parents that he must never break. Baleman had the better backstory, cast, setpieces and didn’t send me to sleep like Batfleck did,
exactly you can do whatever you can do but if you dont have the balls to do it if nesesary i mean in heat up situations it means you learned nothing dat means train for reality not for what you think it will be the reality ;) have a nice day
"The training is nothing, the will is everything!!" This line sounds so true as it applies to us martial artists, all of the years of training in those styles will not mean jack if it is not used properly.
Andrew Hong True! Zimmer also scored Movie Masterpieces like Kung Fu Panda & Kung Fu Panda 2! Love thos films, a wonderful franchise indeed, as well as The Dark Knight series.
His way of taking something as crazy as a billionaire dressing up as bat and fighting criminals, and managing to make it feel so real, understandable and possible is what makes him my favourite director of all time He’s one of the few directors I’ve seen who can consistently catch lightning in a bottle
@@MacTac141 In all honesty, I think it's because he treats the whole Batman thing just as a veneer. Kind of like the sauce you serve the food with. If the food tastes good in and of itself, the sauce can only enhance it. If the food tastes rotten to begin with, there's very little the sauce can do to hide that fact. Nolan understands this at a fundamental level. Tarantino is another director that understands this quite well, which is why in Tarantino's films, like their subject material or not, the writing tends to be top-notch.
I've watched this scene about 500 times. It is one of the most profound (and completely overlooked) lessons moulded into any movie. Your skill, intelligence and training in anything, will fail you if you lack the courage the take action. Execution is everything and it's what most people find incredibly difficult.
0:17 I love the parallels in this scene. It’s shows us how great the chemistry between Alfred & Bruce is. We see this again in the penthouse scene. Where shortly after losing Rachel in TDK, we see yet again a broken Bruce. Alfred walks in with some breakfast and says the same dialogue: “I’ve prepared a little breakfast…very well then.” I just love how Alfred has always been there for Bruce in his darkest moments. Both of them Bruce is looking away and once Alfred starts to leave the room Bruce calls out to him. So beautiful.
‘The will to act.’ Honestly one of my favourite quotes. I’ve been thinking about this for years. I’m such a lazy person but I try everyday to be better, to force myself in to working out or learning new things. The will to act is what matters in life. I used to live in my daydreams, thinking about the person I could be. The will to act is what makes the difference.
Even when the times are hard, that quote help to keep going, because "nothing is gonna change if you don't do anything for it" that's always what think
+Pedobear SupportGroup Well if you sit on your ass and never act, most likely nothing will ever change in your life. It can be applied to a lot of things. Want a better living condition? Relationship? Better job? Improve yourself physically, mentally and spiritually? You must have the will to act.
This is the best moment in the trilogy for me. And I love the dark knight. But Jesus. That sound track “you parents death was not your fault “. It was your fathers ! Drops sword and music decibel goes up. amazing.
Many prefer the Dark Knight, but my favorite is by far Batman Begins. The most human movie about hero you've ever seen. So layered, so nuanced. The whole opposite of the dark Knight.
Blacksplayer Because this movie was strictly about him and his beginnings and diving into who the character is. There was no need for that in The Dark Knight as he was already the fully recognized cape crusader of Gotham. We already knew who he was, so naturally it was time to tell another story in the characters’ journey as Batman. Each film is good in its own way.
Harry Drake it really wasn’t that bad. Wasn’t as great as the first two films, but it was a good final chapter in the trilogy and had the most comic accurate Catwoman. All three films are good in my book.
Same here! BB was number one for me. TKDR and then TDK. TDK was just a bunch of flash and bang IMO. TDKR, though I had to rewatch it, was a solid story.
The dark knight trilogy to this day is still the great super hero movies ever, It doesn't even feel like a superhero movie it's like in another genre of its own
@@maciek8159Oohh...You think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING! *Grabs Batman's neck and 👊 him, knocking him down* Shadows betray you because they belong to me. *Proceed to 👊 him repeatedly in the mask leaving a crack in it.*
This scene is the personification of perfection. Direction , Cinematography , dialogue and flawless acting. The quote “ The training is nothing , the will is everything” is something to live by.
Dark Knight changed superhero genre forever and thats why these movies are in history books. Its a fact. Nolan's trilogy was such a masterpiece, because it was a vision so moving and actually it brought more fans to the comics. I am just one example. I never cared abt all this superhero popcorn thing, but this trilogy was so analytical, deep, dark & fascinating I started to care abt Batman character like never before. Thanks to Nolan & Bale's brilliant performance.
@@SalcantaraTV what he meant to say was Nolan's trilogy will be remembered for its in-depth story, alluring dialogue, and complex characters. Unlike the unmarvelling movies that's built on cgi and jokes that makes kids laugh.
