Which is funny cos of how inefficient it is to just beat up every bum and crook on the street instead of actually solving the core issues of his city, let alone the world. The issues with Gotham stem from both magic and politics.
@@ToiletEploder712the comment is suggesting that ppls influences can be due to scientific reasons as seen with Scarecrow who uses chemicals. Therefore batman is more likely to think of other ways thanks science
@@ToiletEploder712 the point of the scene was him saying it didn't need to be magic. Scarecrow's whole gimmick is him using gas (science) to make people see frightening things in order to have them hurt themselves or others. Ofcourse batman doesn't automatically assume magic, because scarecrow may have developed a global fear gas.
Well, he has a brunch of sexy dudes, that obeys him😂and they go to streets all nights in strange cloth and do dangerous things out of law, and constantly get beaten. So it's much like a pimp, but without payment and sex. Well, ussialy 😂 And they also have nicknames😂
He couldn’t be a pimp; he respects women too much. Remember Batman Begins? He does dumb stuff with vapid women but he probably doesn’t actually sleep with them; he just builds up his reputation as a playboy to keep people thinking he doesn’t have enough moral fiber to be Batman. French Talia was the only woman he had *KNOWN* in that series.
I felt that when John was like "The one time I fill in for Jordan..." I know that pain of filling in someone's shift only to have to deal with some crazy shit during the shift that should have been theirs. Lol
I mean he's got a point. In Gotham knights Harley Quinn managed to turn a whole slew of law-abiding citizens into villains just by promising them something that would change their lives for the better and they fell for it completely.
there is also zatania but yeah pretty much all constantine and im cool with it, line when there is alien batman or maybe green lantern are allways there
Think they mean accidental rather than intentional crimes, similar to how many times superman has been both brainwashed and mind-controlled and yet isn't considered a villain at that point.
It’s ironic considering batsy has at least three magic users on speed dial: zatanna, doctor fate and the one who can transform into a demon that rhymes
Batman: “The criminally insane don’t need magic as an excuse” Cursed city with the natural force of evil manifesting itself as a clown multiple times at the same time all the time: “Hold my beer...”
Lmao Wtf r these comments, what r u trying to say? Because Joker is criminally insane, not inhabited by some “dArK eViL fOrCe”, im just coming across a lot of comments that aren’t exactly making too much sense, & it’s kinda startn to get to me at this point😂
@@ricckishi167 lol Wtf is your English bruh, try doing a recheck over your comment, it’ll save alot of ppl the confusion of what u were actually trying to say
@@johnbrick6934 You have the right to disagree, it is your prerogative but that doesn’t mean you’re right. Just because I don’t like what you said, it doesn’t mean you can’t say it, so yes I do believe in freedom of speech, but it doesn’t mean I’ll agree with you👍
Dr. Fate, Zatanna, and Jason Blood are people he seeks when dealing mystic threats as well, but New 52 wants to give Constantine some spot light because he's more new. Batman actually respects everyone in the league both in movies and comics.
"These crimes were committed by law abiding citizens." Dude needs to look up what law abiding means. Edit: yes I know the context behind the scene, I've seen the movie. It's a joke.
Literally. And the usual stans can all "see what he's saying!" As opposed to using some basic common sense or even considering that MAYBE Batman isn't always fucking right.
Except they were right. And to challenge their sincerity because the threats they deal with aren't ground level is sanctimonious at best and stupid at worst.
No. He provided a contact for solving the magic situation and you’re completely ignoring that. His point, though, was that they immediately jumped to a supernatural cause without even trying to consider the bajillion other possibilities.
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 still point is he wanted solid facts not theory's. To quote Sherlock Holmes. "You should always gather facts before finding theory's. Elseways you'll look for facts that suit theory's instead of theory's to suit facts
Actually he was insinuating the justice league shouldn't only get out of bed for massive problems, hence why he said they should be ON the streets instead of flying OVER them. Because he spends like every night fighting crime in every corner of Gotham no matter how petty or large the crime is, not just focusing on the big stuff. In short he said "I've got shit to do, I don't have time for this. It's a problem, but one of many."
He's literally talking to 2 aliens, a cyborg, An Atlantean (Has to be some type of magic), a scientific oppsie, a guy with an alien ring, and an Amazonian who also has powers based in magic. Lets not forget the fucking BIRD GUY. Science is great, but it's obviously not the end all be all.
@@Gration_ I hate when they write Bats as a magic denier, its dumb. He was trained in the art of escape by an actual Magician He was partially trained by Ra's al ghul who uses a magical pit of green liquid to stay alive He is close personal friends with Zatanna He usually has 3 magic/magic based teammates on the JL Its just dumb when they write him like that.
I don't know if batman is entirely denying magic in this scene He could be factoring in the fact that superman and a good chunk of them are weak to magic, and in order to compensate for the fact that Constantine is a tricky mf, going to see him on his own. I might be stupid tho
More like he’s more into insane obsession with guilt for making his parents take him to watch an old movie and having them killed and the delusion of moral ultra-superiority.
@@fletchershepherd7039 Nope, it was all magic, completely magic, in fact, Batman after this goes and asks his magic friends for clues and they claim it was magic, honestly Batman being so rude and dismissive of magic as even a possibility here, is kind of odd given the clues and knowledge they know at the time, and funny given how wrong he is
John Constantine is meant for most forms of magic usually to do with demonic origin. Zantana is a bit of a jack of all trades. She is good for most magic situations but compared to other JL magic users she is kinda meh. Then you have Dr Fate. He is the one JL goes to to seal shit away.
I mean, on one hand, magic is definitely a plausible explanation given that it actually exists in their world. On the other, Batman regularly fights Scarecrow who uses chemicals to induce fearful hallucinations in his victims causing mass hysteria across a large number of persons at a time. It could be one or the other or possibly both is all I’m saying.
yeah i feel like he’s also open to it being magic and knows that’s a possibility but he also knows that all the other goofy goobers in the room don’t spend much time on the streets so they’re quick to say it’s magic cus it’s all they can think of. Batman, however, knows better.
@@Pr0fessorB1ble Hahahaha Bataman knows shit. All he ever dose is beat up Criminals who he makes in to Criminals y letting Joker and the rest destroy anynother work nearly and jump from roof top to roof top. The others know people better and know when its Magic unlike Batboy.
@@rodan9773 Nah man that’s just wrong, he’s more experienced with paranormal stuff than anyone in that room. Ra’as Al Ghul, the LITERAL Dracula, Grundy, Clayface, Mad Monk are just a few villains he fought with supernatural/paranormal abilities. Constantly hooks up with Zatanna and was taught escape artistry by Zatara, who are both magic users. Often teams up with John Constantine for demon/spooky detective shenanigans. Not to mention that Gotham itself is a catalyst for a lot of paranormal stuff and he’s sure as heck done research on all of it.
@Pr0fessorB1ble_ except those "goofy goobers" were correct. And not only that but Batman's statement is irrelevant as they didn't flat out say it was magic in first place. It was just suggested due to large numbers and nature of the crime. And again, they were correct anyway
@@someguy3763 Anyone in that room? Wonder Woman is a literal Greek fucking demigod made of clay and fights mythical monsters and Gods as her MO. Cool the Batwank.
people who complain about bat being wrong clearly don’t understand the principle of assumption, batman isn’t saying it isn’t magic, he’s saying have we ruled out the more scientifically possible rather than mystic voodoo and pointing out that the others don’t spend enough time engaging in normal city crimes than they should
In a world where they know magic is real and is even relatively common, it actually is a more logical explanation than that several unrelated people randomly went nutty in the exact same way at the same time
True. Then again, looking at the scale of every fighr they've been getting into, I can't really blame them for automatically assuming that, even if it IS a correct assumption at the end of the day. They got too occupied with the big things happening all around that they forgot to look at the little guys. It's an oversight that tends to happen a lot of the times.
The fact that it was on a global scale with the same occurrences and claims. It's too much of a coincidence to just be criminally insane. His assumption is wrong but then again... Batman actually likes to be disagreeable for the sake of disagreeing. It's actually his way of maintaining an emotional distance.
@@TheNoogie except he know joker and scarecrow would pull this bs for shits and giggles and knows that they did the same thing on a smaller scale in Gotham and knows it would be easy to do it on a global scale using infected food or something
That is how a detective would talk. Before drawing any proper conclusions, he'd like to check every one of them. So, a generalised statement based on a narrow overview would anger him. Were all of those people checked for toxins? Hallucinogens? Or any other process? Yes, Bruce is right. But, WW and Supes- both have a background in magic. And like a detective, he followed that chain of thought.
this comment needs more likes. there's too many ppl saying stuff like "everyone loves batman too much to see that he's being rude here". yea he shouldn't have been rude, but other justice league members have been rude to him plenty of times before. no one on that team is perfect, they all mistakes but mean well deep down
@@thefakebluejay5394 Not only is he not being rude in what is essentially a militant operations meeting, he's communicating assertively and pointing out the severe limitations that the building breaking, flying, highly durable heroes have. Their methods do not include undercover work, monitoring, logistics or clean-up duty.
He Roasted him self not only was he wrong he also told Superman who is always with The People to stop flying above them when he is the one that jumps above them. Superman cares about The People and that is why he knew something was up Batboy didn't care.
Being among people and actually looking at them are two completely different things. Superman at this point is not ready to face just how evil people can be. This character flaw is what causes the whole Injustice story. He is finally forced to look this evil in the eye and it changes him forever.
@@Umbra2079 The injustice story does in no way show Superman’s flaws. Their are a lot of what if evil Superman stories out there. The fundamental problem with them is, they have to change his behavior for the story to exist. Clark Joseph Kent is the son of a farmer from Kansas, he knows every day people very well. Batman is more familiar with the criminally insane but that is a small percentage of the population. Superman has looked Darkseid in the eyes he knows evil on the grand scale. He also can hear every cry for help from everyday people being brutality victimized.
Why do y'all people say Bman doesn't care? If he didn't care he wouldn't be fighting people in the streets and protecting lives yet alone be a hero for years. He may have been wrong saying it wasn't magic but he actually wasn't wrong in his statement. He is much more knowledgeable than you think. It's not like he's saying magic is never the cause he's just saying not to make assumptions without proof. I mean he does have villains who fights similarly with magic but doesn't so that's why he said what he said. And the fact that assuming something is not always the best thing to do. He's actually much more kind and understanding than some people put him out to be. It would be nice for people to look deeper into his character cause a lot of you people are misunderstanding where he's coming from.
@@daisiathepotatoangel1273 He fights them to get his rage out so as to not to be like them that is his gratest fear to become like them The Villains he faces & given what has happen to him and what he dose he is always worried about that. After Babra was hurt insted of crippling The Joker he laughs with him. With Jason instead of knocking him out or just killing The Joker he wreaks Red Hood. He never upgrades Arkhams training as Batman training The Guards or Security with Wayne Tech when he can very easily do that and make it look like a helpful Wayne enterprise venture. He know they'll get out and that's what he wants so he can lash out on them so he will not become like them HELL he even says to Red Hood if he killed one he might not stop he knows he's unhinged but has to do something to keep The Bat Demon at bay. He cares about him self not being a Demon saving others is a trade off from that. FYI this is all in Universe Theroy from what i know about the way Batman is nearly constantly written like.
I love when movies/shows have maps to show like where the events are happening and they'll put dots just randomly like on a frozen part of Nunavut and northern Greenland
True, he does good, but his "crazy." His trauma makes his perspective think Cripple a human and kill aliens acceptable But kill a human be the worst sin, that would take his humanity away. As many people irl. He is flawed. He is bat - *man*
@@cristobalbarra583 it’s not that he’s denying the magic but realizing that it’s most likely mass hysteria being caused by scarecrow which isn’t true but would seem most likely from his point of view
You mean like Fear toxin of Scarecrow. Joker regulary turns "law abiding citizens" into criminals... the beef is. They think magic is responsible. He says there is other s**t that can manage the same. And recommends consulting an expert first, before jumping to conclusions.
@@tymeier7570 I respect your choice, you are not against violence in that movie for no reason, both films aren't for everybody but they are great and I respect people that know this fact
People love Bats so much that they cant see that he is not only wrong but being a jerk. WW clearly said could and perhaps and Supes said can you rule it out.
Batman didn't want them involved in that. He knew it could be dangerous if the league succumb to those visions, and he just didn't feel like initiating his contingency plans.
Batman : I will say that their magic idea is bullshit so they won't try to get involved with magic. Instead of just saying that magic is powerful and that they should ve careful with that. I hope this won't back fire in any way such as having them falling for a magic spell they could have been prepared for, had they been informed that magic was a real thing from the start.
@@commentateur-connaisseur-c1414 Sometimes it's best to keep people in the dark, rather than tell them to stay away from the light. I know Superman can be a bit dumb and arrogant sometimes. He doesn't always think things through with his godlike powers, i.e Apokalips war.
Batman : On a team with an immortal amazonian princess, a boy who can summon lightning on a clear day and a magic eagle man hybrid. Also Batman : "They're insane lol"
@@spartanmucho5950 they didnt rule it out They made a reasonable assumption based on experience and statistical evidence that they had And they were right
No, he's not wrong. All possibilities need to be considered - even if it was magic, magic shouldn't be the first assumption. Batman knows several non-magical villains that could pull off something similar. And I'd say that most members of the Justice League _could_ spend a little more time on the streets.
one thing i really liked about the Snyder Cut. are the scenes when the team would wear normal clothes when not in combat i liked that, it showed that their costumes were battle suits.
"The criminally insane don't need an excuse" Okay, but when there's a sudden spike of crime, and all them make the same claims of visions... you don't need to be a detective to know that two plus two equals fucking magic.
that rich coming form the guy that going to create a team full of magic user hero. you know something is up when batman walk out of the room and start doing his own shit
I get what he’s going for but to have the amount of random people shown here do these types of crimes and not even consider it’s some type of magic or possession is so out of character for Batman, Superman literally just said these were normal civilians not murder happy psychos, bats comes at it from every angle in his head
