Batman V Superman is Pretty Neat, Actually - Ben From Canada 

... actually!

How neat is that!

@@kenthehobo pretty

Unexpected LPOTL

Was it? Because I found it pretty nauseating.

I mean he is not wrong

Such a simple and strong statement

Lol that was my favorite part

calling bvs art is kinda stretch tho. and calling zack snyder an artist is an even bigger one lmao.

He's so brave.

Social pressure is immense, but you're able to enjoy the movie regardless. That's great!

nah witch hunt culture was really starting to rear its head as early as five years ago and like "i don't actually have values of my own but i'm gonna attack/troll you for failing insert values" just defines the past decade, mostly post-2016 but before too

@Notsopro Gaming or you could also be obsessed with a movie you dislike enough so you'd lurk around the comment section dedicated to it to look for an argument. Think about the time this movie made you sacrifice in vein lolz seems like quite an unhealthy dedication, energy you could waste on something more enjoyable.

@Notsopro Gaming yeah but you didn't really make a point though did you? You basically just said "just 1 line! Movie still sucks!" Which... yeah I guess that is just 1 line. I don't know what kind of intellectually stimulating discussion you were expecting to have.

Ethan Jannes you pretty much proved his point

@@tallgod6929 i'm just saying there's a difference between being mad prescient and just totally on the money. but yeah shit has gotten way more real since march 2016

Yeah, it's too obvious.

I laughed at this

this better 100% be a joke about just how little the video actually elucidates "mad different things fall in the first six minutes"

Don't seek yourself too short. This is the same who gave us the oh so articulate claim, "Sometimes artists make stuff...And I like that."

He already knew who Clark was at that point and he was still surprised at how strong he was. Maybe I read too much into these things but that's what art is about.

Me too♥️

majority of people hated the little role of doomsday. i actually didnt mind that, because it wasnt an avengers vs thanos movie, he was just a tool for the 3 to teamup and further the plot. now that may seem like blasphemy for hardcore comic fans but maybe youre just missing the point. also people compare the actual bats vs sups fight to earlier longer material, but i actually thought sups took the heaviest beating with this one, and i loved it.

Disliked the theatrical release, am in love with the extended

wasn't Snyder;s first choice. That was all studio interference

@@KalomikaArts how do you know?

that's what matters, this is art.

Exactly. I think this film not only is amazing but gets better with the passage of time. Zack Snyder was way ahead of his time with this movie.

I love this movie, but I get why people don’t like it. I’m hoping that it gets more love as time goes on, and so far it seems like it has. Also Ultimate edition is the version I LOVE. I like the theatrical cut but LOVE the 3 hour cut. That’s the movie that should’ve been released.

@@yoshim616 Absolutely agree, the Ultimate Edition is what should have been released. I think it would have been a bigger success.

@@BeholdTheTruth79 Probably would’ve had better reception, and would’ve made the plot A LOT more clear.

Wow. I never got that interpretation.

i thought it was uncalled for, how many times do we have to watch this kid's parents die. but it is absolutely necessary to bring any depth as to why the martha scene is not a meme and it was actually properly set up, along with the nightmare at the mausoleum. the writing couldve stick the landing a bit better, but it makes sense. that trope needs to die, though, I've seen it working well exactly once: lex's letter to superman in red son.

@@metalliclark86 Still, its unique and beautifully done. Also, if they didn't show the deaths then I'm sure many people would complain about it because its an integral part to Bruce Wayne's character development, even though 99.9% of the population know about it.

@@metalliclark86 Uhh, probably every time we're introduced to a new Batman.

SpankMe Santa the same people who say “we don’t want the origin again!” would complain “It’s integral to the character!” of it was taken out

Perfectly necessary. Basic rule of storytelling, never assume your audience already knows your character when introducing them, especially when introducing a new version of an established one. Always lay the groundwork the best way possible. Since people do have some familiarity with the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne, it didn't need ti belabor the point, and the way in which it was handled was bith very deliberate in the context of the story (since it forshadowed Batman's epiphany), and it was visually portrayed in an unbelievably iconic manner that holaged classic Batman depictions of this scene from stories like Frank Miller's Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, the primary sources of inspiration for this iteration of the character.

He's making epic movies with epic characters!!

And I hate it. It's basically injustice. And that's not Batman or Superman.

KP Kev the Poet cool

The Ultimate Edition is the version that everybody should watch, that one is a good movie, and that was the movie Snyder wanted to be released in theatres, but WB being WB stepped in and messed up the whole thing

@@kevthepoet You completely missed the whole point of the movie. But it's ok, there are more simplistic movies for you to watch.

First time I saw this was in 2018, watched the ultimate edition because I had no idea the theatrical cut even existed, I always thought people in theatres saw what I saw (the 3hr edition) so I was always confused to why people had such a strong hatred of the movie

@@spankmesanta821 I watched the theatrical; then the ultimate cut. They are both too long and slow and honestly kind of boring. having said that, the ultimate cut had so much actual useful PLOT in it, that explained so many of the otherwise weird and SUPER boring (without context) storylines in the theatrical cut that I have to agree. They are both ultimately "bad" films, the theatrical because it makes no sense, and the ultimate because it is too long. They are kind of two ends of the same stick. What they really needed to do; was tell the same story as the ultimate cut, in the time-alloted to the theatrical cut. (Or make a theatrical cut that actually chose a sensible subset of the plot of the ultimate cut)

@@meateaw How would you have organised the movie? Let's say you had to keep everything apart from those weird Justice League promotional scenes (the email with the videos)

@@spankmesanta821 leave him. He doesn't know what he's saying. This movie is one of the best CBMs of all time. A cinematic masterpiece. Sometimes artists make stuff. It's the people who don't see the art that say it's boring.

@@spankmesanta821 I watched the mess which was the theatrical cut that has pacing issues and plot holes but the ultimate edition is one of my favorite comic book movies of all time

Wow crazy. Ben's a lot younger than he looks.

Don’t forget oil🙌🏽

Thank You. People Are mentally Retarded dude. ...trump was voted into office...think about it. How did people treat an intelligent man in the film Idiocracy? ..most people arnt artist and most people are Retarded in 2020

It's a pretty bad film though. I mean Its fine, just fine.

@@wallaceturnbull7252 I'd whole heartedly disagree, unless you just hate it because... Well.. Just because

@@wallaceturnbull7252 how is it bad

When you're a hardcore dc fan you'll see many different portrayals of superman and batman so I was happy to see zach make a new take on them

Ya this movie was thrilling to watch knowing these two titans will clash, but you ask yourself but how and why and seeing it come together is awesome the tone of the movie is so original for a super hero flick

If it made the money they expected there would be NO shade being thrown. This is why they need to dial down the budgets of these epic tentpole films in Hollywood. Look at some of the VFX folks on You Tube are doing. They don't require a year of post production and millions of dollars to get it done, and they are killing it.

BronzeAgeBryon the film made 872.7 million for the film’s budget being 250 million, pretty sure it made it’s money not the amount that they probably expected but it was successful.

The first 6 words you wrote answer your question .

It's also incredibly important to Batman's character in this movie that his parents, (both of them, actually), fight back against their attacker. It really sets up Batman's worldview nicely when later on the movie Alfred tells him it's suicide to take on Superman, and Batman's just like, "Yeah, well, sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do." I'm pretty sure BvS is the only incarnation of the Batman origin story where his parents aren't just passively gunned down.

I think Ben knows it was a dream bro

Yupe true. Its the most beautiful version to date. Why not!? It also carries a huge significance to the story and Batman's mental state.

I like this comment!

Im sorry but I completely disagree. Marvel handled introduction spiderman perfectly. They added him as a "matured" character and just moved forward, filling in the gaps at times. We've seen it many times and dont need to again. We dont see other character's orgins in the other movies (JL is terrible tho), we see it in their individual movies. We also dont have to see the robin event in this movie, which you can argue has a larger impact on batman's mental state than his parents TBH, while I like how they covered the orgin in this movie, this was just a reason to have them setup the martha thing

Also like Ben says, this is the most interesting version of this scene. If done right, it's worth doing.

@@foxfire1112 Funnily enough I watched Homecoming with my nephew. It was his first introduction to Spiderman. He had no idea what half the references were and had no idea who Spiderman really was so supposed to be afterwards.

that just shows you how much more this movie has to offer and there are more videos which go in deeper if you want

@@kaijo9380 What else exactly does this movie have to offer us, though? If the movie has a lot to offer, there should be an abundance of examples to offer in its defense. All the movie really seems to have going for it is a more violent version of Batman and dark, high contrast presentation of its visuals. Snyder's take on Superman in every one of his films makes it apparent that he does not understand the character. And beyond the title characters, everyone else populating the film lack depth and dimension.

@@sequelitispodcast2079 I can't express everything this movie has to offer in a reply do the research on your on and if you don't like this movie then don't waste your time in comment sections of videos ment to appreciate it

@@sequelitispodcast2079 there are many things and many utubers have already mentioned all the imagery, representation in the film like Tex, Twin perfect, Reel analysis n many more. This movie is more like an Art than our normal superhero movies. Action scenes in this are just cherry 🍒

@@sequelitispodcast2079 Snyder got Superman pretty good. In our world Superman wouldnt just be a all-smiley kind boy scout. Superman at the end of the day is just Clark Kent, a dude who grew up in a american religious family of farmers, trying to be the one who guide humanity, a beacon of hope and while he does a lot to be the thing his father wanted him to be, people are afraid of him even when he try to do his best to be trust worthy. Imagine you dedicate your life helping/saving humanity all the time and that same humanity still dont trust you, everyone will feel down and feel like they dont belong to these people. Its a relatable version of Superman, the others adaptation of Superman were cool but having something different that is credible is refreshing and cool too. Keep in mind that in BvS, Superman wasnt Superman yet, and Batman wasnt Batman anymore because 20 years fighting the crime in the baddest city in the world, loosing Robin, and from his pov alien being a threat for the humankind. Thats enough to make Batman being truly cruel to the point where he dont give a fuck about killing people and even premeditate the murder of Superman, Batman is still human after all.

Superman lifts an entire island in Superman Returns

@bigevilworldwide1 I thought Shazam was great, as Shazam, Billy releases his inner child because he's kind of new to the power and doesn't use it right and responsibly, and the vibe being more lighter very much makes sense, it's in no way a bad movie in my eyes. Besides, this movie adapts the New 52 Shazam run pretty well.I don't see why Shazam should be in the same tone as the others

@@Elias6233 there's a difference between "seeing and feeling" superman's strength and just being told about it through some fantasy abstraction like "he lifts an entire island of shit he shouldn't be able to lift" or "he's goes around the earth so fast he reverses time"

@@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805 I agree with you. I guess some parts are a bit cringe but most of it is good. It's kinda like aquaman but not as fascinating. It's actually one of my fav comic book movies lol

Also when lex starts the cooking timer for an hour, there is an hour left of the movie

Bash your head against the wall. Its about the same experience.

He’s so bad....

​@@kjo2130 any strong feelings for this film have pretty much faded away over the years, but I think I actually dislike that performance more now than when I first watched it

Couldn't agree more. What the hell was everyone on set thinking when they let him do this performance...

I disagree, I think having Lex being a sociopathic, politically manipulative Mark Zuckerberg-esque billionaire who is a victim of childhood trauma and abuse is a really unique modernization of the character while still remaining accurate to certain comics in the past (i.e. birthright). His twitchy demeanor and weird grunts have actually been known to be prevalent in child abuse victims in real life and his insane rambling is showing us how quick his brain runs compared to everyone else--and he knows it. His dialogue might come off as a bunch of pointless and random shit but watch it again and literally every line he says in the film as some sort of deeper meaning to it His plans, especially bombing the Capitol building and pitting Batman and Superman remain true to his philosophy of "if god is all powerful than he cannot be all good, and if he is all good then he cannot be all powerful" Regardless of what you think of this Lex, it's bullshit to attack Jesse Eisenberg for his performance because he nailed what Snyder was going for.

I find myself defending this film every now & then but Eisenberg's performance was cringe inducingly bad. IMO, he was a better Lex Luthor in The Social Network than this. I don't know if it's the writing or performance or both but his acting makes me physically cringe. I usually just fast forward through his scenes whenever I try to rewatch it

someone needed to make a video addressing that this opening 10 minutes of a zack snyder film deserves as much props as any other opening 10 minutes of a zack snyder film as opposed to ppl whining about having to see the batman origin again

Not enough "fanboys" like you. Too many comic book fans think "you can only like DC or Marvel, not both!" That is so close-minded, I just can't subscribe to it. I don't want either cinematic universe to fail, because I grew up reading Superman as much as I grew up reading X-Men.

Being a Marvel fan makes it a lot easier to like DC movies because I can just enjoy them for what they are instead of thinking "wow, they butchered the source material". I don't have any attachment to the DC characters or feel a sense of ownership over them like I do with Marvel characters, so I don't care as much when directors/writers do their own thing. That said, I've still disliked the majority of DCEU films (Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and to lesser extent Man of Steel are the exceptions), so I'm not sure what my point was.

@@shindari Seriously. I mean even as a DC fan I would be stupid not to love the X-men. They're the best written superhero team

@@shindari Seriously. I mean even as a DC fan I would be stupid not to love the X-men. They're the best written superhero team

@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ Say it once though lol

Check his channel Ben From Canada, he did a commentary video while he made an omelette about BVS back when it came out

What accents?

Hahaha See whenever anyone has positives I literally cannot think of any other moment and it happens in every edition. Martha was the dumbest emotional Crux I can think of.

Do people STILL think they stop fighting because their mothers has the same name?? Really? Havent it been established that thats not the case at all? They stop fighting because Bruce realize he has become the same as the killer of his parents. How? Because Superman is begging for his mothers life, just like he did when he was a kid. Its about superman being humanised for the first time in that moment for Bruce

@@MarkFilipAnthony Of course it is because of the same name. If Supes had said "Jennyyyy" or some shit that would not have had any impact on Bats. The entire scene relies on Supes saying the name of Bruce's Mom.

@@QarthCEO no, the entire scene relies on Superman willing to sacrifice himself for his mothers life. Thats the point of the scene, not wether they have the same namr or not. The fact that they have the same name stops Bruce for a second, but isnt the reason he decides not to kill him. Its the moment he understands that "Martha" is supermans mother and she needs to be saved, thats the moment Bruce figures out he has been wrong all this time. Thats the reason he stops fighting, not because they have the same name

@@MarkFilipAnthony the problem with this is the same problem that Zach Snyder has on most of his films... hes got all these cool ideas but he's a visual storyteller... in this medium thats really only half of what you need... you can make the most beautiful, epic visuals but if the writing is bad it fucks up everything else... the fact that superman says "save martha" and thats when batman stops makes it clear that its the name that makes him stop... not the sentiment of superman having a mom... lois even has to come in and be like Martha is his moms name... when in reality everyone else would have said the words "save my mom..."

i concuur

Have you seen the ultimate cut?

The one thing I believe people never think about is if this movie came out 20 years ago, we would have had our minds blown. Just shows that we are too spoiled now.

@@LyleStyle87 I genuinely love this movie, I know this movie has flaw and I wish they have change somethings or execute them better like the final act. But I still think this movie is blast to watch and a good comic book movie.

@@LyleStyle87 you copied that quote from cinemawins

@@Rougnop Wow! He knows who i am, that's pretty fuckin' awesome.

DESIREMORE Thats the first step to liking the movie as a whole. Trust me. I went from "this movie sucks" to "theres this one scene that's good" to "thwre are some admiral qualities about it" to "it's actually pretty decent" to "wow, this is a genuinely good movie"

yeah after re-watching this four years later, I think I'm also starting to change my opinion towards this movie

That’s honestly what made it more disappointing for me. If this movie had been just bad in every aspect, I could just accept it as terrible movie. But it wasn’t - it was bad in significant ways, but also absolutely brilliant and filled with potential in others, which overall somehow created an even more frustrating experience to watch.

Same

Ikr! I love paying twice for a movie just to get that "extra" shots of Ben Affleck's ass and a few gore scenes of burnt up corpses to justify the R rating. Truly a cinematic genius of our time!

gb a if it adds to the story and make it more cohesive so yeah, you’d pay for it.

I think people forget he didn't write the film. You can't blame him for a bad script.

I've said it before, and I'll continue saying that Zack Snyder is a clueless filmmaker who makes movies for dumb wannabe alpha males

dimitreze clueless? Mmmmm…what about this movie is clueless? There are so many parallels, instances of symbolism, and philosophy on this movie. The plot, while convoluted, does make sense for the most part. Visuals? Staggering. Cinematography. Legendary. Music? Incredible. Acting? Fantastic. Action sequences? Powerful. I’m genuinely curious why you think this.

Dem sonic booms are awesome

Chronicle really knows how to depict flying as a helluva good time

The way you spell convoluted gives me conniptions

@@dorianjareth9198 yeaaaa english wasnt my best subject in skool

It's sarcasm

Kim Yo Jong's Sandwich I got it, thanks. That’s why I thought it was funny.

I loved it just cause it gave us golden memes

@Kim Yo Jong's Sandwich yeah his comment was just cause he wanted to make sure everyone else understands sarcasm you can't trust any1 these days

BVS is not a shit movie. It’s actually quite smart

Agreed, I think BvS is a disaster, however most of what Ben brought up were the parts that stood out to me as actual quality

BVS was good without this video explaining how good it is. Shut up

@@clstuff1 people are allowed to have opinions man, don't take it so personally

This video was a huge steaming pile of bulshit.

couple of hundred viewings?....

Mr9mann give or take but come on with the judgement

Notsopro Gaming hey look a wise guy

Notsopro Gaming the only things I really missed was how the score was set up and Bruce’s mothers pearl falling next to him. As for the music , I’m not a musician so I don’t have a musicians ear. When it comes to the pearl , it’s such a small thing that happens so fast that unless you’re watching the movie with an eagles eye you’ll miss it. That’s pretty much it.

I mean, it's 3 hours long. That;s like 300 hours we're talking about 0_0

Maybe I'm just a pleb who doesn't understand the artistic statement of "press ∆ to murder pregnant woman."

@@kieran10202 You don't "press ∆ to murder pregnant woman." Those are the actions of Ellie, not the player. Why don't you actually play the game before you type out rubbish like that

@@TheMiloDavis I played the game. It gives you the choice of dying or killing the woman the story already told the player is pregnant, right after the choice of stabbing the dog or dying, then it tries to make you feel bad about it by having the other player character discover the bodies and throw up.

Milo Davis it was an Over exaggerated example of how it felt watching Ellie kill that pregnant woman Ellie the character we just played as and kept alive just so that she can murder a pregnant woman, Ellie the character we all loved from the first game

That game was garbage 3/10

people aren't ready, Pa Kent said

It’s a great movie

@Henryk Spark its horrible.

@Henryk Spark Masterpiece in how to ruin the reputation of two biggest Superheroes and burn 250M dolars investment.

@Henryk Spark Agreed. Such a great movie.

@@rickytick77707 such a pile of butchered crap.

Way to jump to conclusions 😒

“I know writers who use subtext and they’re all cowards” also applies

"Put conventional logic aside and enjoy" also applies.

I know you and Martha were... buddies

@Patrick Mike Incredible. Also, since I barely get to spout Darkplace quotes, this also applies “I’m not Jesus Christ. I’ve come to accept that now.”

"You best go check on the mother. I had to put a cap in her shoulder." Sure that's what Joe Chill was thinking

Really? But this is SO Snyder.

That's surprising, he had the scenes all drawn out in his sketchbook. I guess even if he wasn't there Larry Fong knows the style he's after since he worked with him for pretty much all his movies.

He still sldrew the story boards so even though he wasn’t behind the camera it was still his scene, what he wanted.

@@ParagonSlayer0 is right. Zack story boards the entirety of his films, even if Second Unit ends up doing those shots. And it may not have even been Larry Fong. Second Unit is their own team.

Source?

Nobody said it was perfect. It works for some, it doesn't for some. Why the hate!? It got crucified badly while something like Thor 1&2 whatever etc etc all gets a pass...

I also interpreted the scene as saying how relying on our beliefs and ideologies to save us is a lie, as the bats represented that Batman mythos dragging this Batman to the light is a lie, we save each other and expecting this messiah to save us is the beautiful lie.

I certainly respect your opinion! but do you think people are really not smart enough to figure the themes out in BvS? I think it's more about the execution people have a problem with. Films can have intriguing themes, morals, messages, ext. but if isn't executed in a way that tells a great story how can people really enjoy? I don't think there are many people who can't figure out the "Martha" stuff, it's the fact it shouldn't be there in the first place and just cringeworthy as a scene and idea. I would argue they hit you over the head with the message rather than subtly letting you think and figure it out! I'd be shocked if anyone doesn't understand the meaning, it's just dumb. I completely agree with the symbolism of Batman and Superman fighting. I'm with you there. My issue is the reasoning in the story for them actually fighting. It feels like the notion of these two icons fighting was decided on, then try to figure out a story of why they would actually fight (which plenty of comics to pull from!). I just find the whole reasoning for Batman to want to murder Superman dumb. We know Batman got a bird's eye view of the MoS. How can the worlds greatest detective not figure out Superman just saved us from Zod? It's made really obvious Zod was the bad guy. A logical Batman would be suspicious, but to spend 2 hours building to a fight based on Snyders logic doesn't fit. And the whole Martha line is just synonymous with the entire writing style of the film. Snyder wants you to completely shut off your brain, which is fine to a degree, but it's such a weakly structured story. Snyder wants you to just be happy Batman and Superman are fighting, the "why" / story part are not important. I can enjoy the theme or message all day! But doesn't change the fact the execution of the story (and Doomsday) is problematic.

@@faz6877 I think we have to agree to disagree. LOL No hard feelings though. We simply see things differently with different storytelling sensibilities. hope there are aspects of the movie you're able to enjoy.

@@faz6877 the meaning is the why, if you don't understand why the characters are acting in that way I don't think you've actually understood the film. Snyder's not a brain shut off director. The only reason his films are still discussed because they are so thought provoking and meta to the point of it seeming dumb. When most people think about a film, they probably only think for a minute or so, whereas if you try to apply that logic to Snyder, his films would look dumb. His films provoke thought for many years to come. I've spent 3 years thinking about MoS nuances and meaning.

@@jyotektosgaimur I'm just applying basic logic to why Batman is even fighting Superman. It's so forced. Batman is the worlds greatest detective but he can't figure out Superman just saved the world from Zod? It makes absolutely zero sense why they are fighting in this movie. It's the definition of contrived. Have you read Dark Knight Returns? How can you support replacing that classic dialogue with the "Martha" scene. And you are telling me I don't understand? I'm happy to discuss / debate the film, but that "you just don't understand" is a weak argument. You do realize they make the message incredibly obvious. I can't ignore poor story telling.

Ultimate edition is a masterpiece straight up . I pity anyone who shrugs this movie off because of its reputation. But I adore it .

@@saulmartin8335 I watched it and I actually ended up hating it even more. It's the same garbage movie with a terrible story, butchered characterization, terrible dialogue, and way too much faux philosophical nonsense. The ultimate Cut just made all the shit even longer.

@bigevilworldwide1 It all comes down to "runtime." WB head-honchos chopped the film down for the theatrical release, because the rich people funding the movie did not want to pay the extra 40 million dollars, out of pocket, to pay for the full version being played on a big screen. I'm sure that now, they realize their mistake. But of course, it is too late to go back and change that. When BvS came out on iTunes, I made SURE that the version I downloaded was the Ultimate Edition. Because, while I don't particularly HATE the theatrical version, I was.... underwhelmed by it. And I'm glad that I waited, because the "UE cut" has been worth the wait. To me, what I saw one day in a theatre, ONCE, four years ago, does not exist anymore. There is only the Ultimate Edition. Way too many BvS "critics" have refused to see the Ultimate Edition, because they have already reached the "pre-drawn conclusion" that it will suck just as much, if not moreso, than the theatrical cut that they hated. They couldn't be more wrong. And actually they don't know what they are missing out on!

I wouldn't call it a monument at all. It had grand ambitions, and you can tell it did, but it ultimately failed to live up to those ambitions. The idea was amazing, the result was overwhelming. Even this video that is supposed to praise it couldn't come up with anything more than "The set up was pretty cool." By comparison, the only ambitions Captain Marvel had were "be fun, sell toys to girls." But if it was released in phase 1 of the MCU, I guarantee it wouldn't get as much criticism as it has. It's not a bad movie at all, it's just a very generic, paint-by-numbers action movie. Really though, it's ridiculous to even compare the two. You wouldn't compare Kick-Ass to V For Vendetta. Or Deadpool to The Incredibles. They aren't trying to accomplish the same thing. Comparing the two is stupid and pointless.

I always saw his films as being stories within stories. DotD is a bout pop culture being shallow and how mainstream media consumes our humanity. 300 is about how these heroes and archetypes influence humanity yet they are one dimensional and create a cycle of archetypes in history, with people wanting to be like their heroes and they become them, but they are empty on the inside. Watchmen is about seeing these heroes fall and trying to find good in them but they are human and corrupt. The film is about finding hope in this truth. SP and LotG are about stories and beliefs being sick, sad and twisted escapist, meaningless fantasies that distract us from reality rather than reaffirming it. We project meaning onto stories and therefore the true story is inside us, they're about letting go and transcending ideologies and choosing who you want to be. MoS is about going on the Kierkegaard existential journey to the leap of faith from the aesthetic. He chooses to be who we is not being defined by past ideologies and incarnations of Superman. BvS is about seeing that we should see the humanity in each other and that psychologically projecting our beliefs onto a figure makes them empty and alienated. It's that expecting a messiah to save us or a devil to punish us is the beautiful lie. We must move past ideologies and beliefs and see the underlying humanity. Now tell me how is that style and no substance?

Aarondev Atwal what i think he is referring to is the thing snyder most often does. his forte is cinematography so his efforts lie within that realm visual storytelling and thematic elements, all things that could be grasped from an image. hence: style. the substance comes from the story it’s self. in bvs it’s an overbearing sense of story. there is so much he wants accomplished that at times he forgets how to connect it or does so poorly. the martha scene is a prime example of this, it’s set up with the opening scene but clark calling her by her name is distracting from what it is trying to pay off

@@jyotektosgaimur Because the characters are flat and one-dimensional and the story makes no sense...? Listen, if you loved these movies and found all these deep meanings in them then I'm very happy for you. I just didn't. I mean, you could give ANY movie the benefit of the doubt and find a way to read hidden meanings and important, substantive themes into them if you try hard enough: The Transformers franchise is a scintillating and incisive parody of the modern action blockbuster using frenetic, over-the-top, impossible-to-follow CGI to critique the industries over-reliance on flashy action over character development. It also shines a horrifying light on racism in America by knowingly casting the villains as ebonics-spouting, gun-toting thugs even though they are ALIEN ROBOTS. PLUS it satirises the gross mass-commodification of the cinematic arts by saturating the movie with every product placement imaginable, including making one of the Transformers, the literal STARS of the movie, turn into a Pill Speaker from Beats By Dre, thus informing the audience that if we continue along our current trends in filmmaking we will arrive at a point in the near future at which ART is literally PRODUCT. Now of course there's not even the remotest indication that these themes were intended to be drawn from ANY of the Transformers movies, but if that's how I choose to interpret them then there's no way of proving that they are NOT there. Most Zack Snyder movies are much the same (Dawn of the Dead being he exception because that is a legitimately brilliant movie).

@@LoganBluth I disagree with the idea that Zach Snyder doesn't purposefully add in that artistic commentary because of his track record. But I have to slow clap on that comment. It was brilliant and the best counter argument I have ever read. Bravo.

@@OnlyLokimobile No, of course Zack TRIES to add these tiny flourishes to his films, but he also fails at the general execution of these elements. Zack is all style and no substance.

I watched it last night, really the only bad part was the Martha part between them, but if make or think of it in your own way. Bruce finally figures out that he is sorta a human. There’s many ways you can interpret with it, if you are talking about dooms day withy eh visuals he looks just like the comics. With being zod is different but I dig it.

That's what all the other BvS videos are about, I think this is a nice change of pace, even if I wasn't a fan of the movie

No, because there aren't many bad parts in it? I'd say the pacing isn't perfect but please enlighten me on the bad parts.

Not willing to take military contracts will do that.

Agreed. If people can't see the passion that went into this film that's on them. I'm not saying they have to like it but it's, imo, the best superhero movie yet made.