Battle of the Ports - Wonder Boy in Monster Land (スーパーワンダーボーイ モンスターワールド) Show #85 60fps 

It's a classic.

+Daniel Paes Cuter Ah yes, I've seen that version. I always thought Tec Toy didn't put much effort in to their sprite hacks. The replaced character of Monica looks odd.

+Daniel Paes Cuter Bem lembrado!! Joguri muito Monica no castelo do dragão!!

+NightSprinter That's something I never knew. Good information.

Yeah, the arcade original, SMS, and PCE ports had a labyrinth you had to correctly navigate (while time kept depleting between sections). Not sure if Saiyki World is the same, but I know for certain the ST and Amiga ports at least made it linear.

The arcade game, that is

Ah, I was wondering what you meant at first 😉

+Lord Alfajor The PC Engine version really is good. I just wish they didn't choose the Bikuriman characters. I really can't stand Bikuriman.

And there is a translation patch around somewhere.

All Wonderboy games were fantastic on the Master System. Such great games. I remember being amazed with the parallax stars at the end of Wonderboy 3 for some reason.

I have to say that I'm also a fan of the Master System port.

Lol absolutely but if you concentrate, Wonderboy is understandable.

+Craig Wilson I was surprised to know t here were home computer ports too. I've known about the NES version for many years but it wasn't until last moth did I find out about the European home computer versions.

Can remember playing the sequel, The Dragons Curse on a mates borrowed game gear when i was younger and in hospital for a few days. It really made the time fly in. Even now i have all the wonderboy games on my smartphone and are a great little distraction on the bus.

In away I can see this game being made in Minecraft some how.

@@RetroCore that would be interesting

InstaBlaster.

Maybe they just didn't realise that was strange?

+mukankakuna well the arcade looked quite uninpressive to begin with.

+MrDerOutsider for the time it was released, graphics were pretty good looking.

Lord Alfajor i saw many better ones from 1987.

+MrDerOutsider That's so true. Also many a time the C64 port is programmed by a completely different developer than all the other European home computers.

Natural result of not having a Z80, I feel. Too often, the CPC and MSX got ZX Spectrum ports in color. Because of the different processor, that short cut wasn't available for the C64.

Yep, that it was

+Christopher Sobieniak Yep, this is 100% right. Stupidly though Hudson kept changing the characters. Wonder Boy III should have kept the Bikuriman theme but they changed it yet again.

Retro Core I suppose they couldn't get the same group involved again (the first game had a TV station and Toei involved since I think an anime was out that year with the characters).

Not really, Whomp 'Em is based off the second Saiyuuki World, which is not the game featured in this video. The first Saiyuuki World is indeed based off Wonder Boy in Monster Land.

That is a good one. I just finished the 5th game on the Mega Drive. Funny that's called Wonderboy though when the main character is a girl.

@@RetroCore Yeah, imagine Wonder Girl.

+Hard Wired The Famicom game is the same game. The reason for the style change is the same reson why the PC Enging game had it's characters changed. Sega own the rights to the Wonderboy name and character. Hudson have the rights to the game but not the character. They can use the same game but just change the characters. Jaleco own no rights at all so they changed everything but still used the level designs for the most part.

+steve36207 Yeah, the sound on the Japanese version is different due to the use of the FM sound chip in the Japanese Master System. Did you know that the FM sound code is actually in the western version of the game too! If you mod a western Master System you can play many western games with the better FM audio.

id love an fm sms :)

*You can actually buy a FM 8-Bit adaptor in US for your Genesis/MegaDrive people!* ⭐️

+Gaming History Source Great minds think alike :) Maybe you can add the CPC version. I left it out because I couldn't get it to work well enough.

+Retro Core hmm.. I haven't gotten to that one yet. Are you using Winape ?

Gaming History Source Yes, I find it to be a straight forward emulator but now and then there's the odd game that doesn't run.

+Retro Core Try CPCE95. And just drag the game file onto the EXE icon. It will auto start & should be pre configured. Might help. :) cpce.emuunlim.com/

Thanks! I'll give that a shot.

I would imagine so but I've never actually seen it. I don't own that game.

Well, we do have that remake of Wonder Boy III :)

Ah, that was some dodgy capture. Back when this video was made I had issues with capturing Amiga games.

No idea.

+ixindamix I have both the Saturn and PS2 games as part of the Sega Ages series. I think they are pretty much the same to be honest. Plus there's only 2 ports so maybe it wouldn't make for a good show.

I can't remember off the top of my head without watching the video. Unfortunately I'm on the train right now with no WiFi so I can't check out the video. I suggest using your smartphone and taking a picture of the title screen text to translate it in to romanized letters.

I figured it out. :) Having issues getting the Amiga version to work now. UGHH.. It's ALWAYS Amiga !!! >_

I hate computer emulation. Amiga, ST and Atari 8bits always give me troubles.

Try emulating a MAC ... 0_0 That one is damn near impossible.

Name of Famicom version: Saiyuuki world

The thing is, are the switch and 360 versions by M2 ports or just emulation with filters added? I have a feeling they're just emulation with filters.

@@RetroCore I believe it was reverse engineered, rather than emulation. But the way you can flick between retro visuals and audio and modern visuals and audio independently and at any time is incredible If you look at the modern artwork and animations, there's no way that can just be a filter over the original SMS code.

Michael Rogers So like R-Type Dimensions?

@@solarflare9078 I've not played that, but if it let's you just flick a button to go between the original and modern, yeah.

This is a great game. I have played the original Arcade PCB (Japanese) although my first encounter with this game was back on the Master System.

+BlockABoots It's on the cards :) But I want footage from the IOS version which I once had. So far I have the Arcade, VHD (Works with MSX computers), Saturn, PlayStation, Mega CD (Best audio out of all versions) and SFC / SNES versions. They are all the same apart from the Mega CD thanks to the remade audio by Wolf Team so I guess those ports would be judged upon how complete they are and the graphical overlays. The ISO graphical overlay is crap. Looks like a nasty bit of microsoft paint art. The Mega Cd version is missing any crash animations.

Hmm i think your getting mixed up with Road Avenger for the Mega-CD??...as im sure Road Blasters wasnt out on the Mega-CD, Road Blasters made by Atari1??. The SNES version is a totally different from the arcade version also...again i think thats Road Avenger, maybe its name was different in Japan?. I think the MegaDrive had one of the best versions of Road Blasters but it was missing any speech which was odd

+BlockABoots Ah, yes I was. Road Avenger in Japan is called Road Blaster FX and Cobra Command was called Thunder Storm FX. They changed the names for the western release. I know the Atari Road Blasters. I own the Mega Drive version by Tengen. Yeah, I think that would be a great one to cover. I'll add it to the list. The next show is almost complete however so maybe in a few weeks time I'll do Road Blasters.

Great stuff!

I would imagine it's just the standard Amiga version slapped on to a CD.

@@RetroCore Hey thanks for the reply I figured you'd not respond to such an old video. And thanks for the putting in the effort it takes to put all these games head to head. Anyhow here's your capture of the Amiga port: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0nVvnzPDq44.html vrs The Amiga CD32 Alpha port: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PQkQCR122kI.html As you can see the art is better on the CD32 especially in the sand and cactus's....as well it looks like it runs a bit faster. Here is the Playstation 2 port: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DaaU5CMFka8.html AND there is now a Nintendo Switch Port as well: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EQcN0n4M-A0.html *Quick side question while I have you here I've noticed many of you "Battle Of The Ports" video captures seem to have the gamma set too high and I was curious if there was a setting you might have missed for input gamma on your capture card/device? The gamma being off makes some of the ports colors look washed out and as a result cheaper/weaker than they are when you actually play them.

The supposed to be a cd32 version is actually a hacked version on floppy disk modified by Earok available here : earok.net/game/wonderboy-monster-land-se Using WHDLoad, the game can be installed to hdd and then put on CD to be played on CD32. Here are the improvements: - Palette tweaks, closer to the arcade original - Press down to enter doors (you no longer need a keyboard to play). - Press down to look down in certain areas. - Optionally, second button can be used to jump. Additionally, you can boot your Amiga with NTSC display so the game is faster, smoother, controls are more reactive and on CRT with NTSC display, the picture is wider, with more respect of the original ratio. Well, use this "Special Edition" using NTSC display and you got a version that correct all the original flaws !

I know. Its missing because it's nothing but an emulation of the arcade version.

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Nice hint.

+Vincent GR I really don't like how the sound effects were done on the ST and Amiga. It sounds so bad as if they just played the arcade samples then recorded them with a tape recorder. The sound effects are not direct analoge or digital samples for sure. You can tell, they have that classic tape recorder shallowness to them.

Retro Core Some games are using sound generator on the amiga but this is propably sampled from the arcade. But on the atari I think it is generated from YM.

+Vincent GR Sounds better on the Atari this time round. Could be because I love chip audio but it does sound cleaner.

Maybe be. I've never seen it though.

They never really bothered me that much.

Well, IMO, I can't stand them. They really grate on my ears.

The SMS version was released in North America and Europe and is in English.

+Christopher Sobieniak That's right. I had the UK PAL version when I was a kid.

Retro Core I'm sure I've seen those carts once on the shelves in the late 80's.

+Рома Поров There's also the recent re-releases on Wii Virtual Console, Xbox LIVE and PSN, which are emulations of the unreleased English arcade version, and are extremely accurate versions (then again, it is an M2 product)

I can play this game on my PSP??

Ah, Pony Canyon. On of the few Japanese software distributors that you know is going to bring you something crap. Kind of like Mindscape in away :)

Oh, Pony Canyon actually published many of the earlier Compile games, including the masterpiece Zanac . So they are forever forgiven :D

Rafael Lima ah, in that case they can be forgiven :) funny how they went from publishing classics to any old crap.

There are quite a few games that seem to run smoother on the ST. Normally the ST has really bad audio though. This game is pretty nice.

+Retro Core I would wager the Amiga and ST versions share the same source code. The Amiga version runs pretty much perfectly on the A1200 and faster machines. That said, I didn't even know the Amiga had this game until years later. I played the crap out of the Master System version as a kid.

+VincentX77 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised about the Amiga and ST versions using the same source code. same goes for the Spectrum and Amstrad too.

@@RetroCore it's a RAW ST port. Even the loader is loading 1 sector after the other. Awful.

I agree, the PC Engine version is the best but I think the Master System version just wins it for me because I grew up with that version plus I'm not too keen on Bikuriman :)

There is a fan-translated version of Bikkuriman World out there if you don't mind roms.

Yea i have that on my everdrive atleast with that you have a chance to answer the sphin's question.

+Retro Core You should do a thing on not arcade ports but PC ones. i find it would be cool to see Minecraft ports. Because I find ALL OF THE VERSIONS ARE DIFFERENT! Like from controls, visuals, and gameplay. PC original simply keyboard and mouse then other versions.

+Quinn The Quartz The biggest problem with doing PC stuff is I need a better PC and I really can't be arsed with messing about with driver and system set ups. I just don't have the time. Then we also have all the different graphic card veriations of games :( Too much work for the limited time I have I'm afraid.

Thanks for your input. Nice to see the Master System at number 2.

Luck dude! Sadly I couldn't get the Amstrad version to run :(

Retro Core Not to worry, it's pretty close to the Spectrum version. Did you use WinAPE to play it?

+Larry Bundy Jr I did but it wasn't having any of it. Tried 4 different images too. Another CPC emulator was recommended to me which I'll be using in the future when I have emulation issues.

Retro Core Did you try any different ROMS of it too? Places like Emuparadise usually carry 2-3 variants of each rom.

+Larry Bundy Jr yep. When I make these shows I always get a few versions of each ROM when not using real hardware. Emu paradise is just one of the places I use. The next show will use real hardware for each game. The next Battle of the Ports will be released early Saturday morning UK time or lunch time for me :)