Battle Snow White 8K - Naniwa vs. Suehiro 8000 grit whetstones

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Once again, we have an epic battle. Two of the peoples champions. They are going head-to-head in NADM kitchen stadium. Never a dull moment presents the final whetstone war of the year. Very exciting. Epic ending. Join us in this battle. For all eternity, thank you to Tony and Zach at Tokushu knife.
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Moritaka Hamono Aogami Super Kurouchi 210mm Gyuto with Octagonal Walnut Wa Handle
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Once again, we will use two of the same knives. Both by the same maker, and sharpened by myself, the same amount of times at the same angle. These knives are the. Moritake 210 mm AS Gyuto. We have some links below for you to be able to find these whetstones. Some of them are affiliate links, and do pay a commission.
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@Alistair_Spence Год назад

I did chuckle when Greg said the F word, but I think it was warranted, given what the knife was capable of. Great video. I'm definitely putting one of these two stones on my list.

@nadm Год назад

It was a natural thing to say, and I decided to leave it. Wow!

@Alistair_Spence Год назад

@@nadm good call. The uncut nature of your videos is a big part of the appeal to me. Genuine experience of the product, and genuine opinion. Legit.

@TylrVncnt Год назад

INCREDIBLE omg that blueberry at the end holy shit!! Damn suehiro is str8 killllin it!! I own their Rika 5k (part of the same series as this 8k) and they edge I get from that and how quickly blows me away every time, I’m realllly considering to pick up some of the others in the series. Also would love to see you guys test out some Shapton Glass stones! Really love that series and it’s performance too, they are surprisingly durable despite their thickness and I personally love the feedback and the speed to which they work. I haven’t tried any Nano Hones (yet…!) considering picking up one of their lapping plates, either the low grit NL4 or the higher NL5, looks like you guys got the NL8 or NL10 which one day will definitely get, just might be a bit! Looks like an incredibly badass tool that is engineered to work on anything and fast, def great to have for your tests you guys do! Love the content, definitely dig your guys’ style and also love the banter back and forth (wouldn’t mind even more of it! It’s hilarious and authentic) I am surprised there aren’t more views on this channel tbh, it’s definitely great and your whetstone battle series is epic. Keep making this great content and more will come! Oh and fantastic sharpening technique btw! Seriously very very good and a pleasure to watch. I remember watching some of your earlier videos and while you still had great technique, it looks now even more smooth and consistent and just into the flow of it much quicker rate. All the best and cheers! Keep on rockin

@nadm Год назад

Yes, indeed. I only picked one of their products, but I do need to go with her glass series as well. We're definitely glad you're here. Appreciate the comments. Some people don't like the chatter. I'm glad to know that we are coming through authentic. We've gotten used to doing the videos over the last two years. I appreciate everyone of your individual comments. Hopefully we have helped and we're trying to get better ourselves. I do not personally have the. Rika Stones but everyone's told me I've gotta grab them. So we're gonna look into it.

@andrebaran7337 Год назад

Great video, both stones are on my radar.

@nadm Год назад

Glad you enjoy it!

@richardlawton1023 Год назад

Great as always. Trust you had a good Thanksgiving. God bless

@nadm Год назад

We did. Thank you! I hope you and your family did well. God bless!

@MrMeds-of5ur Год назад

Thanks Greg been waiting for this video for a bit and finally got it

@nadm Год назад

I hope it was worth the wait.

@MrMeds-of5ur Год назад

@@nadm yes it was

@MrMeds-of5ur Год назад

@@nadm btw, I see that people are saying you didn’t spend time on the 5k to jump on the 8k because of the slurry, I personally own both stones and I feel that’s a normal slurry on both, so don’t get bothered by those comments, I’m not a knife guy (but I do sharpen knives as well) and I don’t consider myself a professional sharpener but I do sharpen as a business and trust me that I’ve sharpened allot of tool steel with great results so I might have an idea of what I’m talking about. Keep up the good work brother.

@nadm Год назад

@@MrMeds-of5ur thank you 🙏

@sagi434 Год назад

Great video as always guys!

@nadm Год назад

We really appreciate you guys showing up and supporting us. Thank you.

@knife.spa.berlin Год назад

Nice vid Greg. I always wanted the snow white, but then I went to jnats. Would love to see both of them to fight a good Suita stone. Looks like both stones are good.

@nadm Год назад

I actually had that idea already. I wanna make sure that I get the right to stones against each other to give themselves a good fight.

@2076649 Год назад

When the gods clash you know is a epic battle.

@nadm Год назад

It was just wow!

@paweel2494 Год назад

Nice video, I am looking for good 8k stone and baaaam i got your video 😊❤❤

@nadm Год назад

I'm glad we hooked you up!

@enobil 10 месяцев назад

I come to this video again from time to time. Thanks for all hard work for us. Great content as always. Curious about suehiro white (wa) 8k vs green (gc) 8k. Probably green is a little more aggressive as green carbide is harder than white aluminum. And probably therefore even toothier than suehiro white 8k. But probably white aluminum will give a finer teeth. But both should be much toothier than other polishing type brands like naniwa shapton etc. I thought as a Suehiro fan you would like the idea. On suehiro I have at most 5k but I will try white or green 8k soon. Have a great day

@nadm 10 месяцев назад

I don't have the green one, so I couldn't answer you, but now you've got my curiosity piqued

@enobil 10 месяцев назад

@nadm I will try both green and white 8k soon. Also trying some jnat finishes atm (nakayama & tsushima nagura brick size). Thanks for your replies. Thanks to your videos I gave clean strop another try and it made a huge difference compared to stone finish, yet it didn't remove the teeth that I was sick of before (losing the slicing aggression due to losing teeth after loaded strop). Turns out that was only a problem with chromium oxide loaded strop.

@nadm 10 месяцев назад

@@enobil I definitely appreciated that comment, and I look forward to learning more from you and all of your testing

@robthomas6012 Год назад

My Snow White is arriving tomorrow. Can’t wait.

@nadm Год назад

That's awesome. By the time you read this, you should have it. Can't wait to hear the feedback.

@robthomas6012 Год назад

@@nadm I wish it was delayed until tomorrow due to weather. Grr one more day. Love your new unboxing.

@robthomas6012 Год назад

@@nadm and it showed up Broken. Sometimes shipping does suck.

@nadm Год назад

@@robthomas6012 wow!! Sorry 😢

@robthomas6012 Год назад

@@nadm well now I wait again. Lol

@franks.8799 Год назад

Awesome! What a conundrum, which stone to purchase???

@nadm Год назад

It really is. They both perform extremely well.

@Alex25CoB Год назад

Great video, I really enjoy your whetstone wars series! I am a sharpening nerd myself 🤣 Which of the two would you say is harder and would polish closer to a mirror? I want to also use those for a straight razor. Kind regards, Alex

@nadm Год назад

Gosh!. I’m having to try to remember right now because I only used the real snow white one time. I’ll probably go with the Naniwa snow white for the one being harder

@NandoKleijn Год назад

Great video, llove it. But ..., Naniwa pro 10k? Sometime next?

@nadm Год назад

I have a couple of 10,000s. I'm not sure if I have that one in 10,000. I'm going to be doing a video on them but my issue is that I don't really need to go that high ever. I would be interested in seeing how much more sharpness I can get out of them. It seems a bit overkill but we're going to check it out. The higher grit stones are not cheap.I know I have the nanohone and the Shapton glass in 10,000

@NandoKleijn Год назад

@@nadm you're right. For a kitchen knife it's overkill. Nor for a razor though. But no sweat; sometime, for later perhaps. When time comes.

@Mpafanai46 Год назад

Love never a dull moment 💕👍I've got 400 and 1000 grit whetstone, whats your opinion my next stone will be 3k or 5k?

@nadm Год назад

So if you check out our Whetstone wars playlist then you will see we did a 3000 and that was a very obvious winner. I like more stones for more progression. Obviously, we were able to do this with a 1000, 5000, 8000. The results were phenomenal. I do believe in more stones in between, so probably the 3000.

@Yupppi 5 месяцев назад

Why is Naniwa's Snow White so legendary? I heard they had to bring it back due to feedback from their users when they retired the stone. Btw curious about the measures for Americans: do you people know your metrics in some fashion or do you just get used to specific profession/hobby measures? Similar to how I'd never refer to a guitar scale length as 648 mm or something ridiculous, I'd just say 25,5" even though my understanding of imperial measures is really poor, just common object lengths. As an European I convert millimetres usually to centimetres in my head since you know, they're so small, but I do have an idea of how much an individual millimetre is. So when you say 200 mm long, I think "20 cm". Well obviously as a mechanical engineer I tend to express measures in millimetres, that's just sort of profession related context thing, I don't think of them the same way as I do in everyday life.

@hobosnacho Год назад

Hi Greg, I’d love to see some videos of your JNAT stones. I’ve only briefly once seen your maruoyama one, and would love to see some dedicated videos

@nadm Год назад

Hey buddy, we are going to do this. I've been studying up on my backside Japanese national stones. That community is very ruthless if I get anything wrong. I'm gonna take my time. You're gonna see it, but I promise!

@j.mahoney1178 Год назад

The Naniwa 8K is not a splash-and-go stone, and neither is the Suehiro, which Suehiro are you using the W series or the G series? the W series is better for carbon steel knives such as many high-end Japanese Chef knives.

@nadm Год назад

I have one minute and 42 seconds I did mention that we soak it. I said we didn’t see a lot of bubbles, but I did say that we did soak it. I don’t disagree with your statement, but I already said in the video that I did soak the stones both of them.

@2076649 Год назад

If may I sugest would be nice a battle between suehiro rika 5k and naniwa chosera/pro 5k for next.

@nadm Год назад

I do not own the Rika but I'll have to look into it. Everyone tells me it's awesome.

@knifesharpeningnorway Год назад

@@nadm dont buy the 5k chosera/professional it gets cracks and crazes. Many higher grit naniwa are prone too it my 3k doesnt my 5k is and i flatten it everytime i use it also.

@georgeyoung4292 11 месяцев назад

@@knifesharpeningnorwayCracks depend on the user.. I have entire line of Chosera +Snow White and non of my stones cracked.. I saw many ppl submerge it in the water , thats when they crack but it also depend on other factors like temperature flactuations and mineral content of the water (I know thats hard to control) But i really take good care of them, using distilled water and temperature where i live now is all year around almost same avarage 25°C (30 day time 17at night) Btw even stones that had hairline cracks didnt affect the stone performance.. There is reason why Choseras are legendary😉

@knifesharpeningnorway 11 месяцев назад

@@georgeyoung4292 they have a issue with em

@zenrazor659 10 месяцев назад

It would be interesting know what 8s the difference in terms of size of micrin for parucle abrasive, the binder in each one, and the design of particle abrasive and method of producing. This will give us an objective comparison🎉

@nadm 10 месяцев назад

Believe me when I tell you that I do all of the research that I can find. Not everything is available on the Internet. I agree with you completely but I didn't have the information. I try to look up as much as I can to help.

@dimitrisloufakis916 Год назад

Great video! White stones always look so satisfying when sharpened on! Have you by any chance put either of the two against the kitayama 8k? That would be interesting (to me haha)

@nadm Год назад

I want to say we already put the Suehiro one up against the kitayama but I have to go back and look. That would’ve been probably a year or so ago. But look up our Whetstone wars playlist, and it would be in there.

@dimitrisloufakis916 Год назад

@@nadm I looked into it and also searched your channel. Unfortunately I couldn't find that video. If you ever decide it's a good idea, I'd love to watch that comparison!

@nadm Год назад

@@dimitrisloufakis916 that’s probably gonna be the next video buddy. I appreciate you pointing it out. Which ones do you want to see. I guess I’ll have to do both.

@dimitrisloufakis916 Год назад

@@nadm thank you for that! I much appreciate it. I'd be fine with either of these stones going against the kitayama. After watching the video were commenting on right now, I just consider the two stones pretty identical. I'll let you know if I ever come up with other ideas in case you find them interesting.

@nadm Год назад

@@dimitrisloufakis916 i’ve had a really fucking bad day today. I mean really one of the most worst days ever. I’m just grateful for kind words. Just bear with me while I really try to pull some shit together. Right now everything is falling apart. I’m glad that I don’t have to think about the next bottle. It’ll be a minute before we film it but use all the help I can get.

@hueginvieny7959 Год назад

How come you didn't use the edge on up to help decide. I honestly think the first knife cut the blueberry with less resistance but the second knife cut more slices and at its price point makes it the winner

@nadm Год назад

Man, you can see how hard this is. It’s really hard. It comes down to my gut. It doesn’t mean you would’ve picked the same thing. You have to pick for yourself. I’m giving you the best information I got. That one was really tough.

@hueginvieny7959 Год назад

@nadm I completely understand it would have been interesting just to have a comparison of the knives before you used the snow white as a baseline and after just to see if one would refine the edge more compared to the other. In all honesty, the results you achieved with both stones are amazing and I've learned so much about knives and how to achieve a sharp edge from your videos. In my eyes in some ways, your opinion is worth more then a another comparison data point . I have started to use a digital coin inspection microscope just to see how the bur and finished edge looks when using different processes and its truly amazing to look at a edge that's been finished with stones compared to a edge thats been finished with a strop it was the best 70 dollars I've spent and has added a whole new level to the rabbit hole of sharpening knives its just very interesting to watch the results of each step under a microscope

@nadm Год назад

@@hueginvieny7959 you’re very kind. I’m always shocked by the results. I always think that I know who I’m gonna like or I have certain expectations. It never fails that I am somehow surprised. Some of these it is very difficult and it just comes down to a gut feeling and a lot of times. It goes against what I originally thought. I appreciate you supporting a channel. Also, I really do appreciate comments. I learn more and conceit to be better. I appreciate you very much. God bless.

@sharpfactory3705 Год назад

Nice Video

@nadm Год назад

Thanks buddy it's nice that you came again this week.

@Vamtal Год назад

Naniwa Snow White is well known for proneness to cracking and this is huge red flag. Suehiro W-8 is simply better choice. Slightly better results than Naniwa are cherry on top. Thanks for awesome video.

@nadm Год назад

Thanks for that comment and thank you for watching this video and I’m glad to hear that from you. I learned a little more.

@knifesharpeningnorway Год назад

Yes sir samme with choosera/profesionall 5k and i even flaten mine after every use its still many many lines in it

@nadm Год назад

@@knifesharpeningnorway I’m a have to dig into this topic pretty deep. Other people are saying this.

@knifesharpeningnorway Год назад

@@nadm yes sir ive seen it on forums etc and i take pretty good care of my stones. They get to air dry and gets flattend everytime so shouldnt be a issue.

@simonvolsmann Год назад

It cracks because people are soaking it, it is the same binder as the naniwa pro Stones, it will wash away if you soak it

@Justatackit Год назад

Your wife has the patience of Jobe.

@nadm Год назад

She is a saint!

@raffieb762 10 месяцев назад

I have the kitayama 8000, usually requires a bit of soaking

@nadm 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for that. I've been doing it since you guys have been telling me to do it. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.

@raffieb762 7 месяцев назад

No need to apologize, love all your content, have learned so much from your teachings, sounds like you have a lot going on and praying for a speedy recovery, hope all goes well for you sir!

@michaelshults7675 Год назад

The shapton glass HC series 8k is a wee bit better at higher polish Imo. Its thin, but its a heck of a stone.

@nadm Год назад

Yes, the glass series is definitely so different. It's just another investment that we have to do at some point. Nothing is free on here of course

@robertdavis171 Год назад

I think your wife was referring to the sound magnification or muffins from the different bridges and ponds when you were comparing sound between the 2 stones.

@nadm Год назад

You are probably correct!

@hoggif Год назад

My first thought: this is interesting. My immediate second thought: I hope the well known Naniwa Snow White proves extremely crappy and I'll avoid the temptation to get one. I still have under 100 whetstones from different (often complete) series from various manufacturers, and I'd hate to spend some for any more stones. :D Doh! I just realized from the intro it is a white Suehiro that I don't have (I have the green 8k Suehiro soaker only). I tend to love Suehiro s&g's even if I tend to find them semisoakers. This can give another expensive idea too, whichever proves to be phenomenal! ..and they say youtube is cheap because it's free! :D Beware of making too solid impression with single flattening. Mostly they are just fine but I have a couple brands that take several flattenings to get what it really is. Some of my Imanishis are like that and one artisan brand I hated after couple flattening sessions and rated best of my stones after about 8-10 heavy flattening sessions. Still, flattened is much better than sharpening out of the box like some do.

@nadm Год назад

Thank you for your insight. It was interesting to read all of that. I'll even look into the green stone you talked about.

@hoggif Год назад

@@nadm The green one is quite similar to Ouka 3, Rika 5k. It is the 8k version of those, acts and feels like an 8k version of Ouka/Rika. Same "grabby" feeling, same kind of softness and all. It's a good one but not stellar. I tend to prefer my other 8k stones. But if one wants an Ouka/Rika style 8k, that is the one.

@jiahaotan696 Год назад

I've read that synthetic stones perform different at the start because some are fired and that leaves a glassy finish on the exterior layer. So the stone's real character comes out after a few sharpening sessions.

@hoggif Год назад

@@jiahaotan696 That's exactly my experience. With thick "skin" you may need several flattening session to get the real character out of some. So are probably ground in the factory and with out of the box. Most are somewhere in between these extremes.

@nadm Год назад

@@jiahaotan696 I agree that I’ve heard that and I need some more sessions on certain stones. Some of use the lot and there are other ones that I haven’t had enough time on.

@dadadadave100 Год назад

I love suehiro stones

@nadm Год назад

They just keep killing it

@dadadadave100 Год назад

@@nadm absolutely 👍

@bozoedge Год назад

Are you using a new knife straight onto a 8k?

@nadm Год назад

I’m sorry you didn’t watch the earlier part of the video. We explain in the first five minutes of the video that the two knives sharpened on a 1000 gritstone and then a 5000 grit stone and then left with the burr ready to go to the next stones. Both of them or sharpened on the same stones up to this point of the video and then they were sharpened on each of their individual 8000 gravestones. We explain it really good at the first part of the video.

@bozoedge Год назад

@@nadm I watched the start but the amount of dark slurry though me off. lol, Maybe spend more time on the 5k.

@nadm Год назад

@@bozoedge you did see how sharp we got the knife, right?

@bozoedge Год назад

@@nadm I watched the video Greg… I guarantee you are still removing a lot of 1k work on them 8ks… You are missing my point.

@nadm Год назад

@@bozoedge hey brother, I appreciate you. We definitely spent a lot of time on the 5K. As evident by the series of passes you saw. Maybe we could’ve used a different 5K. That’s up for another discussion. We did a long series of Edge, trailing strokes, and then we did another series of edge leading strokes. Let’s not discount be cutting ability of these two stones, the 8ks. I am not one to do bird removal after every stone. Some people do but I disapproved that theory in a different video. They are definitely some other 5K stones. That may be would’ve done a better job. The Bob Kramer stone is made by Naniwa. It is the older version of their stones. I did put quality time in on that stone. I am very happy with the end result. Once again, I do appreciate your comments and observations. You made me contemplate what I did, and I re-watched it and so I put plenty of time in on the 5K.

@lifeatfulldraw7163 5 месяцев назад

U spent way less time on the second stone.. and that seemed to have a better finish.

@fabledreamor Год назад

Suehiro 8000 won the blueberry-slicing battle.

@nadm Год назад

Yes it did

@FAFO217 Год назад

Suehiro wins out for me 🤘

@nadm Год назад

Absolutely!

@dimmacommunication Год назад

Meanwhile me with my 2015 hapton 12k 👀

@nadm Год назад

lol

@ChefS.Keller 8 месяцев назад

The breathing is rough

@nadm 7 месяцев назад

It was definitely a while ago. I've lost more than 100 pounds and it turned out that I was on some medicine. I had some bad side effects. The medicine has been prescribed over the counter for a long time and once I found out the new warnings I got off of it. We have had much better luck.

@xonerate Год назад

Hello, The Suehiro is impressive on a 1,5k Progression. When You Commenced your Tests on both knives, I think The Toothy edge theory Is Correct. If I am not mistaken Naniwa 1000k is best used when a Naniwa 600 Whetstone is used Prior or before. In my own experience I Used a Lower Grit from King and Achieved a Superior Sharpness. There is a description on Amazon where Naniwa Specifically States What I wrote in this comment; and I have also seen another Sharpener use the Naniwa recommendation as well. So If You want You could try that and See if Naniwa can be on Par or Superior to Suehiro. I think Naniwa will win on the tests if their Specs are Followed Correctly. But what Suehiro did during the Tests is very Impressive.

@nadm Год назад

So I really do think the type of edge you need is different for the purpose. We're gonna be doing a series on that. What type of badge for what type of knife! I think if you're dealing with fish than you want something very fine because you don't want the edges to be feathered.

@xonerate Год назад

Yes. And I just don’t want to see Naniwa Go down like This. I think a Rematch should take place between these Two Stones.

@xonerate Год назад

Hello, hope all is well. I Confirm that the Suehiro leaves a hazy finish on Stainless Steel. I was Sharpening a Cleaver; a lower end model on a 1k - 3k and 6k Suehiro Shiramine; and my Result was Dull, in fact I could run my finger up and down the blade without Worrying about getting cut, The Blade is made of inox and the factory angle is 25 Degrees for whatever reason. I tried this using their dressing Stone as well. Next time I am going to try using a Suehiro 5k dressing or Nagura Stone to see what happens. My Presumption is that these Stones are specifically made for Carbon Steel but I guess we’ll see what happens.

@xonerate Год назад

Darn Sabre Grinds.

@nadm Год назад

@@xonerate 😂

@knifesharpeningnorway Год назад

The higher grit naniwas like for example the 5k choosera/profesionall and the 8k you show here they are prone to crazing/cracking even with flattening everytime so i personally would stay away from them.

@nadm Год назад

Thank you. Everyone saying that.

@knifesharpeningnorway Год назад

@@nadm yeah it shouldnt be that way

@peanutaxis Месяц назад

This stone is not messier than any others, it's just that it is white. ffs

@user-un5my5bw4j Год назад

I always have really liked the snow white 8k stone, always been all about Naniwa stones mostly they have never let me down. Green brick 2k is only one I despise. I also really like the Naniwa Fuji 8K it is a little better than the snow white is I feel. I mostly use snow white for knives and Fuji for a set up stone for 12K super stone for my straight razors i use on my face.

@nadm Год назад

I’ll have to look into the Fuji that you just mentioned I didn’t even know it was out there