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From Tigh's perspective, he had to kill his wife because she committed treason. It must be hard to see other people he sees as traitors go free. It feels unjust.

Imagine telling past you that you’d be fighting for Gaeta’s innocence someday

"Maybe you can help me with something. I seem to be missing something. Do you know where my eye is?" I always thought that was a powerful scene. It shows how angry and messed up Tigh is.

26:58 - "I get that all of these people are hurting, and I get that they're all broken, and that they've lost people, and been through these traumas" Which is exactly why they should not be the people doling out punishment.

The scenes where Anders leaves and Starbuck is "recruited" says so much. They don't want people who are objective. It's not a "circle of your peers". Anyone who opposes the murders wouldn't be on the circle in the first place.

Couple of things you may find interesting with this one: 1. Early drafts of the script had the episode opening with Gaeta's execution. His being the informant was discovered afterward and was going to be what led Anders and Tyrol to questioning everything. The episode's writer had second thoughts and decided Gaeta would serve the story better if he was alive, so Jammer got spaced instead. 2. Speaking of Jammer, his and Duck's roles were originally reversed for the New Caprica arc. It was Aaron Douglas (Chief) who pointed out to the writers that Jammer was an established coward who had already expressed an "every man for himself" mindset, and Duck was the Cylon-hating Viper pilot. The writers agreed and swapped them in the story. So in an alternate show, we may have seen Duck buy it here instead. 3. Connor is played by Ryan Robbins. He was actually the Armistice officer at the start of the miniseries. They were going to open the MS with a montage of this same officer going to the station year after year for decades, leading up to Six showing up and the Cylons blowing it up. They gradually caked him with makeup and prosthetics to show the character aging. But they ended up cutting out all but the last bit where he's fully aged up and dies. Since he was largely unrecognizable and they liked the actor, they took the opportunity to use him again when the role of Connor was created.

Gaeta has an interesting storyline it has to be said.

the great thing about zarek is: in these TV shows we tend to think that everyone can change completely und become a purely good guy. it happens soooo often, we all know these stories. but its not how the world works, bad people usually dont change, ever, some do, but not the majority. bad people stay bad. zarek one of the best written characters on a tv show and his story is not even over

12:38 Cylon Sex Chamber was the name of my band in high school

Episodes like this are why this shows is so great. It's not easy to watch a lot of it because it feels real and is how people might actually behave after such events.

They could have gave Jammer a trial and thrown him in the brig afterwards, Adama would have never agreed to this.

In Season 2, when the Centurions infiltrated Galactica we found Jammer hiding in the weapons locker. He joined the Caprica Police, that all volunteer, but Cylon created bounty hunter group, to capture or kill civilians at the behest of the Cylons. Jammer’s redemption never actually happened. He was intentionally written as a weak character without scruples, informed ethics, or moral compass. I think he saved Callie, a friend - but not Roslin, Zarek or the others - out of personal guilt, but not moral responsibility. It is admittedly sad and ironic that he dies unjustly at the hands of another “secret” mob, dispensing justice in the shadows. I would compare & contrast Jammer with Gaius Balter for an interesting Book Club discussion.

14:26 "He has really shown that he's changed quite a bit." Everyone who knows how the episode ends: "About that..." :D

This episode is the perfect representation of what I love the most about this show… its willingness to show that even the best people(Chief) are still messy, complicated creatures who are capable of making really awful choices.

Another strong powerful and emotional episode! Tigh & Starbuck are so so broken at this point in the story! Tyrrol came to Gaeta's rescue just in the nick of time! One of the many favourite episodes of this amazing show

Normally I'd agree that they need counselling, but in this show the last person who sought out counselling ended up spilling his guts to a Cylon!

For a show about things that aren’t human, they sure put on a display of pure humanism. Greed. Anger. Revenge. Hatred. Love. Caring. Hope.

So so happy when I see your BSG reaction drop.... I love watching this though your eyes..

Did anyone else ever notice Jammer was supposed to be dead already? If you go back and watch S3ep1 at the new caprica police ceremony bombing, Jammer talks to and is standing right behind the bomber when he detonates. Hard to believe he would have survived, unless I missed something or maybe a scene was cut that left a small continuity error.

Secret police, star chambers.... even with the best of intentions these things are dangerous as hell.

And now you have an out-of the universe reason for Pegasus' destruction - they needed to free up some sets to rebuild them as Basestar interiors.

Starbuck guards her heart. The issue with Casey has put her in a dark place. She wants to lose that pain anyway she can on anyone she can. I had a law professor who’s first words resonated with me in situations like this. Never mistake revenge for justice.

Zarek hasn’t really changed, whether you agree or disagree with him he is a man of principals and he makes decisions around those principals.

Hi, thanks for all the awesome content! A stone is 14lbs, so Lee lost 7lbs (just over 3kg)

Much has happened in these 16 months. We are going to have to deal with the aftermath for some time...

Colonel Tigh is just Colonel Tgh now. Remember, he lost an i. ;)

This is one of my favorite episodes of the entire series. It deals with so much. You have to ask - if you didn't know and like Jammer & Gaeta would you have had such a strong emotional reaction to their "trials" and executions? Or near execution in Gaeta's case? Do a few good actions and good intentions outweigh being party to the murder of innocents? What is justice in situations like this? It's this kind of thing that always had me hooked on this show when it first ran, and that is a huge part of the rewatchability of the show now 20 years after the mini-series first premiered.

I had a different interpretation of Starbucks outburst towards Gaeta in the launch tube, I like to think part of her believed Gaeta's story about the drops, she wanted him to repeat it on the off chance somebody could verify it.

"Have you seen my eye!!" Once again, stella acting by the great Michael Hogan, esp with his interaction with Adama

I've always interpreted Starbuck suddenly demanding that Gaeta beg being her trying to get him to advocate for himself without actually advocating for him. It felt like she was having second thoughts, but was still too angry to actually actively call off the execution. Something about the look on her face right before she starts berating him and she had actually heard his argument which might sound legit. She wouldn't know since she wasn't there for most of the resistance stuff.

It's always triking to me how much Galactica has changed from season 2 to season 3. First on the outside of course. She took such a beating during the blattle of New Caprica and she will carry the scars she got that day for the rest of the show. And she will wear them with pride. But also on the inside. Before, Galactica was a purely military ship. Remember how civilians were checked when they came on board in season 1 and how they even increased security after the Dorrel incident? Later a film crew was given unique access to something civilians never got to see first hand. And after Pegasus arrived she was just one of two ships run that way. In something that felt a bit like the Colonial Fleet again Galactica and Pegasus were military ships, civilians travelled on the others. That's changed now. From now on, there's a constant civilian presence on overcrowded Galactica and the ship starts to feel very different. Sure, the CIC and other sensitive areas are presumably off limits but people simply looking for a place to sleep will set up camp in whatever unsused storage space they can find. And they'll make these spaces their own. Galactica is their ship now just as much as it is Starbuck's for example.

I suspect they are anti anxiety or sleeping pills. Something to give him a pleasant buzz. He was taking pills on colonial one . When the cylons came . On other occasions we see other characters drinking and taking pills. Like that . ( if memory serves adama on a couple of occasions)

In British Imperial measure, a stone =14 pounds. The stone continues in customary use in the United Kingdom for body weight.

Everyone here saying that Zarek is right? Please remember that Zarek spent all of S1/2 ranting about 'abuse of power' and 'total dictatorships' on behalf of Roslin/Adama. And now that he's in office, he's ordering secret tribunals and execution squads.

"I'm up for killing whoever needs killing, but it isn't going to make you feel better" - Amon Burton, Murder Snuggles.

Pity they couldn't have a team of Brother Cavil's to help their PTSD.

Another great reaction video, Angela! I love this show so much for the flawed characters and the grey area that the characters often find themselves in- great human drama. I also loved your reaction to Exodus part 2. The look on your face when Galactica was dropping above New Caprica was the greatest moment I've ever seen in a reaction video. You made me laugh and cry at the same time. I figured you would love the episode but your reaction was priceless! Your videos rock!

Starbuck is such a complex and awesome character but toxic is also a good way to describe her. The way she deals with trauma is unhealthy to say the least. I have always loved how this show deals with complex issues like suicide bombings and how the fleet dealt with traitors after the second exodus. It really made the audience consider issues they probably will never have to personally deal with in real life but realizing some people do.

Ryan Robbins, who played Connor, also played the officer sitting waiting in the Armistice Station right back at the start of the mini-series.

Michael Hogan is yet another fantastic actor, and Tigh is definitely one of the breakout characters on this show from here on out.

This episode parallels history. There were a lot of collaborators that were punished in Europe after WW2 and a lot of German soldiers just said "They were just following orders" (Gaius). So keep in mind you might not like what they were doing to Jammer and the others but it was, in their mind, legal since it was a presidential (Zarek) directive. He was the rightful president at the time of the trials.

Devil's advocate here but in this case, I actually agree with Zarek. The trials allow justice to be done to select people. It is a pressure release value for the Fleet. Without it, it would consume the Fleet in an orgy of uncontrolled vengeance and trials which would make it public, putting further fuel on the fire. New Caprica was a very dark and depressing period in the Fleet's history. If anything, this episode shows just how damaging that planet was to everyone.

Jammer wasn't trying to help. He was a sympathizer who decided to work with the enemy, because that was easier at the time. His motivation was very different Gaeta's, who actually did want to try and help protect people as best he could, from within the enemies camp.

That is one of the most hardcore cold opens....

Zarek is cut from the same cloth as Marco Inaros. No matter what he does that comes off as being a champion for the people and of justice, it is all about him and power.

A tough thing to swallow is that everything Zarek said about having an open trial is correct. I think that part of the reason that Roslin pardoned everyone is because of what he told her. I'm not justifying his actions regarding the Star Chamber justice, but he can be annoyingly correct.

I watch for the reaction and recap of my favorite TV series, but gotta say that eye shadow looks good!

SPOILER FREE: The BEST show, ever. EVER. So many consequences.such deep, human issues. Did you know there was a special session of the United Nations devoted to BSG because of the issues it tackled. And there is so much more to come. Helo has some interesting choices in a few episodes coming up. I wear K. Agathon dog tags to remind myself to stand up for what I believe in regardless of the cost. The best show of all time. Yes, Better Call Saul, arguably, was actually better in the craft, but BSG hits so hard, so often it takes top prize for me still. And the craft here is also so very high. Masterwork! Not flawless, but nothing bold and interesting ever is flawless.

You might be interested to know that in the original show, Adama was a member of the Quorum of Twelve.

After triumph and joy of liberation from enemy forces, no matter who the enemy is, this aspect always comes up, logically During WW2, the French had a wave of executions, arrests and public humilations before the provisional government was properly instituted. I remember seeing a photo of a French woman, shaved, paraded down a street as a traitor for...having provided services to the Germans. The Norwegians hanged Quisling. Actually basically all of the liberated countries executed and imprisoned people. And the pursuit of collaborators never stopped. For example, in 1987 the US deported an Estonian Holocaust participant to the USSR. There are still commandants and guards of Nazi concentration camps getting put on trial in Europe. Germany sentenced one a couple years ago, even though he's like over 90 years old And we see that with recent or current conflicts. In Afghanistan in 2021 the Taliban targeting translators who helped NATO forces. In Ukraine, those who helped the Russians (and the war isn't over yet). I'm not sure if it's surprise that I feel seeing your reaction to this episode. Yeah, sucks for Jammer, but it's not like everyone'd be okay with his association with the Cylons

Star Chambers have had many permutations in several countries since the first recorded existence of one in England in the late 1300's. Although these "courts" -- which frequently operated outside official channels and were sometimes used to prosecute and punish the too-powerful, and others to act as a kangaroo court to the benefit of the Crown -- originally began with official sanction, the modern term usually refers to a "shadow court" system. In post-WWII Europe, there were many accused of collaboration that were killed by citizens eager for revenge and "justice", often (perhaps usually) without due process. This kind of behavior is best understood as a trauma response, where people who cannot otherwise relieve their feelings of betrayal by collaborators decide that only blood will do. And they're almost always wrong. These characters have just been savaged by what they've been through. Jammer's execution was literally on "the 3rd day of the Second Exodus". They were on the run for years, then conquered and brutally occupied, then ran for their lives losing more people. They are literally right back where they were immediately after the loss of the Colonies. And not a PTSD treatment program in sight. I frankly would have been shocked if there HADN'T been this court.

You support Roseland, but Zarak convinced Roseland that a rounding up and public trial of collaborators would destroy the fleet . Instead she decided to keep those who turned against them via a general amnesty .

Its awful, but this is often the fate of collaborators after a liberation

Tigh, Starbuck and likely most of the others are PTSD'd out of their skulls at this point, courtesy of the occupation and their time in the Resistance. It's most visible in Tigh and Starbuck, the self-isolation, the restlessness, the constant anger. For them, the war just hasn't ended. They wouldn't talk to any counselor even if any were available, they would only ever confide in those "who have been there". If you're interested, read up on trauma psychologist Bessel van der Kolk, who worked with a lot of veterans. As for Tom Zarek, he was some sort of insurgent in his youth, probably knew about the effects of trauma and why this needed to go on or it would find some other outlet. He also probably knew he'd have to bear the guilt of signing off on it so Roslin could take over with clean hands and the fleet could have a future again. Cynical as this may sound, he took one for the team.

This is a beautiful episode. Literally nothing happens, 0 action just people talk. The writing is amazing and the acting is impeccable. They spend time dealing with the aftermath of the occupation. If you honestly look at each character's story before the occupation, add what happened to them during, you will understand and not at all surprised to see where they are now. In fact it makes perfect sense. It's so nicely done, adds further depth to the characters and this will be the foundation for their actions going forward from here. Without those, none of that would work. This episode would be considered a filler nowadays....idk about you guys but I would be happy to take a few seasons of filler like this. I always had a huge respect for this show when they wrote themselves into a situation like this occupation that presented an opportunity for them to 1. don't even go near it, ignore most of what happened and just continue the story, or 2. go deep and dark, explore this tragedy from different POVs and not shy away from being disturbing or uncomfortable to watch. In fact they use it to help telling further stories as a direct result of it. Not one time did I feel about characters or stories that they didn't make sense or not undestanding how did we get here. Genuinely feel sorry for the people sleeping on this show.

Getting closer and closer to my favorite song Bear made for the show. To this day its my ring tone. And no, everyone who had seen the entire series it's not THAT song. The one I speak of comes from episode 9 of this season. I'm enjoying your watching this as it's a touch back to seeing it all for myself that first time. Thank you.

Hugs sometimes solve problems.

I just discovered your channel. This has been fun to follow along as I've been rewatching the series too. I'm also on Season 3 now.

I LIKE this episode,this subject needed to be addressed,after all this isn't TNG. LOL.The president pardoning all collaborators was-WISE-and necessary,just like Lincoln pardoning the South ( the people running the government,soldiers,etc,etc,. ) he knew the US needed to be whole again and that was the best to do that. Forgiveness breeds unity.

Can’t wait for next week. The next episode has one of the 3 greatest speech scenes in the series. It’s a jaw dropper.

Not condoning Tom’s actions, but think of it from his perspective. He’s spent most of his life using the law to attack the system. Doing something wrong, getting into the legal system, then playing the public opinion against the legal system or the legal system against itself. From his perspective, he knows that crafty people and lawyers would turn those trials into a complete sideshow and a mockery. It would have been a disaster to try and put all those people through that process. That’s Tom’s perspective because it’s what he would have done if he was on the other side of the law in this case. So really, there were two options if you didn’t want that debacle. Tom could only see the one option, which was to just get all this done without the public part. The other option is the only one Roslin had left, just pardon everyone and get rid of the problem of how to handle those people and the trials.

"He's a changed man, I'm sure'", oh sweet summer child.

Zerek was Vice President under Baltar

Jammer deserved 100% of the spacing.

That's the thing about collaborators after every war in history they have always been treated harshly like after WW2 usually just put up against a wall and shot

Yeah this was a really dark episode, it had to be done to forward the story and close the situation of what was going on, on New Caprica, the more interesting thing was that in the original BSG from the late 70's was that the Baltar who existed in that series was pure just evil betrayed the Humans and lived on the Cylon Base Stars, so its cool we get to see what goes on here with Baltar and the time on the Cylon Ship. cool reaction thanks again for it. PS as for the pills that D'Anna gave to Gauis i think they were intoxication medication (for the hang over, he was a heavy drinker while been in charge of the Colonys)

Ronald D. Moore is a fracking genius for pulling this reboot off. I'd love to pick his brain apart for a week. He's for the series what Commander Adama is for the fleet. Cheers 🍺

Ya didnt catch the missing eye patch on Tigh in the baltar dream. 😂😂😂

If you're not familiar, you should look up the treatment of collaborators in European countries after they were liberated from the Nazis at the end of WWII. Executions, imprisonments, public humiliations. Some of them were just ordinary women who hooked up with ordinary German soldiers, either through genuine love or just to get a bit more food.

Very much looking forward to the next episode reaction. Won't give spoilers but lets say with a human on a basestar the show starts to give more of the Cylon cultural perspective that is pretty interesting to see. Also guessing you have probably already watched it by now as video editing takes time.

i love your leaf pillow ❤!

get ready to be mad many more times

There are eight numbered Cylons. Seven have been identified which leaves one unaccounted for. These are, One - Cavil Two - Leoben Three - D'anna Four - Simon Five - Doral Six - All have unique names Seven - Not indentified yet Eight - Sharon We have been led to believe there are twelve models, so that is five more to identify, if you believe that what Caprica SIx told Gaius is accurate? The loss of Pegasus and not Galactica. You say that you knew that we wouldn't lose Galactica because it's the title of the show ( 4:48 ). Sounds like you need to start watching some UK shows. Plenty of UK shows have lost their titular character and still continued under the same name. An example being Blake's 7. Four seasons, thirteen episodes per season, so fifty-two episodes in total. Rog Blake (the Blake in Blake's 7) was written out after the seacond season, making just two more appearances in the show, including the final episode of the series, where he, and pretty much everyone else gets killed off. The hero ship, the Liberator, was destroyed at the end of season three, and replaced with the Scorpio in season four. President Zarek. Zarek was Baltar's running mate in the election, and therefore became Vice President under the Baltar Administration, and therefore after the Second Exodus, he became President. This is similar to how Roslin became the President in the mini series, except he was next in line rather than forty-seventh in line. The Circle. As for his execution policies, they are actually based on real world examples. After WWII, those who collaborated with the occupying forces were rounded up, given mock trials (if they were really lucky), and summarily executed. The only evidence needed to convict was the word of a resistance fighter. Zarek's Circle, by comparison is quite ethical, in that it requires six unanimous votes. Any of the members can simply decide to vote not guilty, and hence no execution. So you can blame Sam for nearly putting Gaeta out the airlock. He could have vote not guilty, but instead walked out. Personally I have no problem with it. They have a list of names, and their offences. They can then find guilty or not guilty. If guilty then there is a signed execution order, but if not guilty, then no exection. There is no legal loop holes to be exploited. Example. When I served in the British army I was brought up on a charge. When my CO read out my number, rank and name from the charge sheet asking me to confirm that it was me, I replied "No SIr" and then give him my correct service number. Whoever had filled out the charge sheet had swapped two of the digits in my number, therefore I was not the perosn on the charge sheet, and as a result got off with the offnece. Gaeta (AKA number Seven?) Gaeta is still a Cylon and needs to be shot, or tossed out of a launch tube, or both. Again rewatch the mini series for the proof. The device on the bottom of the Dradis console appears after the first Cylon attack but Gaeta says that it's been there for about a week, meaning that according to him, it was there before the Cylons returned to the Colonies in force. As for why he was helping the resistance on New Caprica? Simple. Many of the Cylons didn't want to live in peace with Humans (and vice versa). By feeding intel to the Human resistance he helped them attack the Cylons, which helped twist things to the side that just wants to exterminate all Humans. His position in Baltar's cabinet lets him feed information to both the Resistance and the Cylons. Fleet Therapists. If there are any, I don't recall them, off the top of my head. The closest I can remember was Cavil (AKA One) who talked to the Chief after he battered Cally. And let's be honest, apart from being a Cylon, what he said to the Chief made a lot of sense. SO does the Chief take the lessons that Cavil imparted to him, or reject them because they came from a Cylon. Stones and Pounds. ! Stone is equal to 14 pounds. Both Adamas are professional military and they have expected mimimum fitness levels. William Adama is reminding Lee Adama of that fact when he says "keep jumping". William Adama needs to enforce discipline and basic standards. He can't go easy on his kid. He needs to be hard on him so others won't see a lack of parity in how he deals with his kid and others who serve under him. Gaius and the Cylons. Gaius' pills are recreational. He doesn't need them. As for the list of Cylons, see the first part of this comment. Also this is the first big indicator that the Cylons are begining to fracture as a culture. They function on consensus. The fact that a Three is telling Baltar that they have reached an impass, and that an entire model (the Sixes) can't decide is very telling. If I had to guess at how the vote went, I imagine that the Ones, Fours and Fives were against Gaius, with the Twos, Threes, and Eights being for him. Important note; we still have not indetified number Seven, or the remainder of the supposed twelve models. This line indicates that there are models that aren't getting a vote.

been enjoying your The Expanse reactions. So fun =) Is it wrong that every time you say Holden, I think Mc' Groin? I think it was Joeys stage name in a friends episode. tee hee hee

Rough episode.. Jammer got spaced !! LOL

They used to have brother Cavil they could get counsel from

If you've gained weight, half a stone is seven pounds; if you've lost weight, half a stone is eight pounds.

"I'm all for killing whoever needs killing, but it's not going to make you feel any better.“

A FLEET OF DAM PEOPLE AND A FLEET OF DAM MACHINES COLLISION BOUND

The trials may have been 'legal', but I think we had seen Sam realize that the executions were not giving him a sense of satisfaction. The Chief, in my mind, was almost there after Jammer had been killed, and he had talked to Cali after the fact. You could see the internal conflict in him. I think that if Starbuck had kept her mouth shut, Chief would have quit the six like Sam did after Gaeta would have been spaced.

Lucy Lawless discusses a humorous incident during James Callis' nude scene: iF: "I interviewed James Callis awhile back and he said you had an interesting reaction to his public nudity?" Lucy Lawless: "He was standing there, and I walked in. He was standing there holding his genitalia and the camera was on us, so it might’ve been on his back, I don’t recall. It was over the shoulder on us, and at some point he took his hand away and fluttered his hands in the air. I just about had a heart attack! [Laughs] I’ve never seen a naked man on a set ever, or a woman for that matter. It didn’t used to happen in syndication. I do have to say, “well done there, man! Congratulations! Masel Tov James!” [Laughs] For somebody who considers themselves pretty fast on their feet generally I was gobsmacked, I couldn’t continue the scene. I think it was the only time ever that I have had to walk away from a scene because I was just flummoxed." iF: "Well it didn’t sound like you were alone, he said one of the techies walked into a wall?" Lawless: "It was envy. [Laughs] It was complete envy."

Kira: Yeah, that's how you deal with collaborators... Oh, a stone is roughly 14 pounds.

When you think the high-stakes episodes are gone .... oh dear when she discovers the secrets 😁 And BTW, Connor is an a-hole

It will all happen again... end line ²

Commenting for the algo, keep on killin it

A "stone" is an obscure imperial measurement of weight, equal to 14 pounds. The English still use it, but even though America still uses imperial measurements, it's rare to hear it outside Britain. Imperial measurements are weird...stones, rods, furlongs, gills, drams, pecks, cords, there are a lot of strange measurement units we barely use.

If was implied just before the occasion when he took a hand full of pills and a drink of what I assume was alcohol. He became an addict during the time on New Caprica.

"This is dark!" wait until you find out about Nicki Clyne (Cally) and her connection to Allison Mack and the NXIVM cult *around this time frame*

A stone is 14 pounds; commonly used in Britain. Sometimes Jamie Bamber's Englishness slips out 😆

Don’t you love Tigh a lot more now? Post occupation/ eye loss? Great character growth he became the leader he couldn’t be back when Adama was shot.

Lioben is by my favourite cylon ^^ lets see

Zarak was right, either secret trials or forgive them-Public trials are would rend the fleet to bits-Just because that doesn’t sit right with some. Doesn’t mean it is wrong. I don’t know what is right in this situation. But considering all the hardships and horrors mankind underwent from the first day of the Second Cylon War-Genocide, fleeing, pursuit, occupation, the darker side of humanity, up to and including human collaborators… You’ll never get this show if you don’t put yourself in their shoes. You’re not warm and cozy on your couch. You’re in the muck, sick, starving, chased. And at best times, in an iron box drifting through space, jump to jump. No sunlight, no foresight into your future, eating bad, working hard. Staring into an endless night. Only when you can be where the Colonials are, can you appreciate this show.

If their "stone" is the same as what we know as a "stone", then online unit converter says 1 stone = 14 pounds.

justice is often the excuse used for revenge. reminds me of ww2 when a lot of germans just fell in line to survive, they weren't inherently evil.

One of their counselors was a cylons, remember lol

A lot of the BSG reboot (along with the 9/11 stuff, etc.) is a direct reaction to Star Trek in the 90s, particularly how Ron Moore felt Voyager failed to live up to the potential of its premise. The enormous impact of New Caprica and the way it changes every character and relationship on the show is quite deliberately the opposite of the way Star Trek put its characters through horrific circumstances week after week and then never mentioned any of the traumas ever again 😂

This sort of things do happen after wars end. After the WW2, here in the Netherlands, the resistance would deal with collaborators in their own way between the time that the Netherlands were liberated (partly) and the restoration of the Government. The men and the more deep in women would be executed, while the women who just slept with the enemy would have their heads shaved. Some of this is shown in the Band Of Brothers episode that deals with Operation Market Garden. You have to remember that the people of the resistance saw friends and family be betrayed and executed by the German occupier because of the involvement of these collaborators, so their response is understandable. Not that I condone their actions, they should have been brought before a Court and dealt with according to the law, not have been taken down by, what for all intents and purposes was a group of vigilantes.

They had a full year (or more) of Cylon occupation. I'm sure it was FAR LESS than pleasant for the humans. So this "Circle" was kind of reminiscent of the trials of Nuremburg for the Nazis soldiers, officers, politicians, and business owners (see the movie "Schindler's List" for an interesting take on that). It actually WAS better that Saul handle Ellen. He KNEW she was going to (and HAD TO) die. By HIS hand, it would have been (and was) more humane and painless. Had it been left to somebody else, even HE knew how painfully violent it was going to be. I think he would have dealt with THAT far less than what he's had to deal with. Probably would have drunk himself into a coma or took a long stroll out a short air-lock out of boredom. Yes, they really do need some kind of psychological assistance. Of course, the LAST one they had turned out to be a Cylon (Cavill), so... 😁🐺

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As for your question at the end, I have a short essay in response for you, as the series frequently raises philosophical questions. 😉 I think there is only one answer - this is not law, and it has nothing to do with law or justice. It is vigilante justice initiated and sanctioned by an illegally acting president. Some totally biased (for lack of a better word) people who are not judges, lawyers or jurists of any kind are supposed to decide if people are guilty. The accused only find out when they are to be executed and are allowed to say a few parting words or beg for their lives. This is nothing different from what the Cylons did before. The six people, on the other hand, are accuser, judge and executioner in one and there are only two possible verdicts, acquittal or execution, whereby acquittals are ruled out as verdicts simply because of the involvement of the six as victims. What are the charges and convictions based on? Only on what the six believe they know, i.e. assumptions. It is not for nothing that believe is an expression of not knowing (!), even if it is far too often understood as a similar, weakened word, which contradicts its actual meaning. Because they know far less than they believe, above all absolutely nothing about what happened in the background and led to people making the wrong decisions. They only surmise, and because of their experiences, their greed for revenge supersedes reason and common sense. It is not for nothing that it is said that in the Middle Ages it was unhealthy to be the bearer of bad news. Because the bearer was tangible, in contrast to the actual cause and therefore often the poor bastard who was punished. ^^ Back to BSG, absolute proof does not exist, lawyers do not exist, there is no trial, no defence, no different views, accounts and perspectives of events, no explanations or at least clarifications for/to actions of the 'accused' that could have a mitigating effect. When they let the 'convicted' have their say, the judgement has already been passed and any further words fall on deaf ears. This is the central element of an unjust nation, no legal proceedings, no due process, no defence or at least comment on the charges, just revenge. Vigilante justice according to the law of the strongest since the executors are six, each 'convict' is individual. He cannot defend himself at any time and just because a 'president' signs or claims something does not make it right or correct. On the contrary, it's wrong, Zarek knows it, and that's why he goes to Tigh and the others, even though they originally hated him, the terrorist, and would have preferred to execute him. That's why there has to be an independent judiciary that scrutinises every law, every executive order and so on. In the case of BSG, as far as this is possible under the circumstances, i.e. by applying and respecting the laws of the colonies while suppressing feelings. Certainly difficult, but a profession is not always easy, not even that of a judge. Finally, my personal explanation as to why there are six people and the vote must be unanimous. There are 12 colonies with a Council of 12 that passes laws. Currently, however, BSG only has a questionable Vice President Zarek and nothing else. So he takes 6 people who vote unanimously in favour. With a maximum of six assumed opposing votes, it would be a stalemate which is then decided by the acting President Zarek. Zarek is the one who initiated the whole thing in the first place, so one can assume that he always agrees to a conviction. It's quite interesting how topical a 20-year-old series can be when you hear the rhetoric of a certain presidential candidate in the USA who is constantly talking about revenge and retribution, and when you imagine his future Ministry of Justice. ^^