Battlestar Galactica 4x15 Reaction | No Exit 

I love how Adama, when telling Chief to go ahead, called Galatica *our* girl. Acknowledging that Chief cared as much for the ship as Adama did

The scene at 10:55 where Ellen asks the Centurion to help her up and how it retracts its claws to do so shows something really important. Its a reminder that, although they are built to be the muscle and the foot soldiers, the Centurions are not just soulless killing machines inside. They, like the humanoid Cylon models, are distinct individuals capable of being much more if given the chance to evolve.

And now we come to know "The Final Five" were actually "The Initial Five."

This is one of my favourite episodes ever, an it's mostly because of Ellen.That opening, her waking up in the tub, the initial panic, horror, disbelief in her screams as she realizes where she is and what it means, then the switch when she accepts and processes the information and becomes Cylon!Ellen, how polite she is to the centurions, the masterpiece of a conversation between her and Cavill (his monologue about the Supernova lives rent free in my head to this day), how much it riles him up that she is unfailingly calm and gentle and motherly to him ... Ellen really is a fantastic character, with so many layers to discover as we learn more about her and rewatching this show KNOWING who she is makes me enjoy her absolutely chaotic persona in the beginning that much more, and Kate Vernon delivered a spectacular performance with this character. A real show stopper.

The THIRTEEN Cylon models are: The original 5 Cylons who we know as "The Final Five" are: Anders Tory Ellen Saul Tyrol. They were "born" on Earth. Only one of each can exist at any given time. They created, in total, 8 models: 1 - Cavil 2 - Leoben 3 - D'Anna 4 - Simon 5 - Doral 6 - Various Names 7 - Daniel (Discontinued) 8 - Sharon Unlike the "Final Five", multiple units of the same model can exist at the same time.

Kobol was the planet that originated the 12 tribes of humanity, which settled on the 12 colonies. It was also the place where the 13th tribe originated, a tribe of Cylons that settled on Earth. The 13 tribes abandoned Kobol after a major conflict. The 12 colonies developed their own Cylons centuries later and repeated the cycle of violence. The 13th tribe of Earth, being more technologically advanced, developed their own robotic Cylons several centuries before the colonies. The 13th tribe also fell to the cycle of violence. The survivors of Earth tried to reach out to the other 12 tribes and stop the cycle of violence.

"If I could age like Kate Vernon", says the gal who in her 40s regularly gets comments from people shocked she's not in her 20s.

Daniel the 7 was a writing correction by Ronald D. Moore. He established in the mini-series there were 12 human models. Then in season 2, he established that Boomer was an 8. Then when he was developing the Final Five, he realized the math wasn't going to work (8 models plus final 5 equals 13). So he wrote in an unseen, decommissioned model, the 7s.

I've been waiting for you to watch this one since Ellen first showed up in season 1 lol

Ellen was like Jessica Rabbit. She wasn't bad. She was just "drawn" that way. Ellen's toxicity was hand crafted by Cavil as a punishment.

27:06 A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart or wagon typically designed to be hauled by a single horse or ox. Their original use was for agricultural work; in particular they were associated with carrying manure. Their most infamous use was taking prisoners to the guillotine during the French Revolution. They were also used by the military for hauling supplies.

"These ridiculous gelatinous orbs." Now we see the full scope of Cavil's insatiable brutality, manifest in Tigh's enucleation and Ellen's Oedipal degradation. Genocide is obscene, but these were acts that were savagely personal.

Remember, those Cavill scenes were "12 months ago" so it still could be him that got killed

Do whatever you have to do you save our girl.

Ellen’s shock and horror slowly turning into remembrance and comprehension is a great scene. Same with Cavil’s rant about how much he hates what he is.

"He loves Galactica." Now go back to Season 2 where Adama was talking to Tyrol about Boomer. "She was more than that to us. She was more than that to me. She was a vital, living person aboard my ship for almost 2 years. She couldn't have been just a machine. Could you love a machine?"

My assumption with Cavil is he probably shares his memories with his other models, as privacy isn't a concern for him and information is important, so the Cavils are basically all the same.

I was suprised how long Galactica lasted given the fact shes been through a lot since the miniseries. Tigh even hinted at her condition during "Sacrifice". "It would take weeks just to hammer out her dents." In the some rare shots of the damage control station in season 3, she had red lines all across her top side. The CGI shots of the ship in season 3 showed her hull battle scared, and after "Sacrifice" very charred. In early season 4, we even see one of her main guns missing and a gaping hole on her top side. Its so unique to see this in a sci fi show where it usually shows the ship in this condition.

Adama isn't taking medication, he's abusing pills (as well as alcohol). Edward James Olmos gradually ramped up substance abuse in Adama's "quarters scenes" as he felt the constant pressure would drive Adama to addiction, and the writers went with it (writing in his messy breakdowns, for instance). Although they still didn't envision how far he would take them.

Such a great episode. Now you TRULY know who and what Cavill is. He’s a monster, sure. But at his core, he’s still a broken boy. Dean Stockwell and Kate Vernon were incredible playing off each other in this one!

👏 for your book joke. 😁 This is also my favourite version of Ellen. Kate Vernon is so outstanding at playing off-putting Ellen but, for me, this episode is where she really shines. I love that she continues to call Cavill “John” despite his objections. I love her calm, rational responses when he’s trying to provoke her. And she looks out-damn-standing in that dress. I too want to be Kate Vernon when I grow up. 😍 Edit: Ellen/Cavill, Saul/6, and Tyrol/Boomer means at least 3 of the Final 5 had relations with their “children”. 🤢

From the First Hybrid's Prophecy in BSG Razor: "And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." Ellen's resurrection and escape from Cavil.

"What's a tumbril?" Don't feel bad. We all had to look it up.

50 years is the typical life of an American nuclear powered aircraft carrier today, so the Galactica is about right !

My father had a stroke during a common surgey. The neurologist gave the news to our family with the same "grace" that the lady showed in this show (sorry i dont know her name). Only our neurologist also b*itched about ending her golf game early to come tell is "he's dead as a doornail" it still hurts my heart to remember it. Sorry for sharing so much, i didn't realize how much that triggered me.

I seem to have misplaced the keys to the time machine. Can somebody else take a quick trip back to season 1 and inform her that Saul and Ellen are her favorite characters?

Hahahaha. Yes, men are different indeed. Particularly, military men. When I was in the Navy, after we passed a major inspection that was a source of great contention, a Master Chief said to me, "Good Job." That was his apology. When Admiral Adama said "Fix my ship Chief," that was his apology.

A tumbrel is the kind of open air Jail-cart they used to take condemned prisoners to the guillotine. It’s notable because the crowd can throw things into it and abuse the prisoner on the way because it has no roof.

The handful of words between Adama and Galen said all those things without saying them. Men are different!

I love how you catch every little detail of this show. It's like getting to watch again through your eyes. Like even something as subtle as the cracks, and knowing that it has a huge significance. I am lamenting the end of this reaction chain, it has been my favorite reaction since I came home from the hospital 4 years ago. Thank you for helping entertain me while I try to recover.

I love Cavil's monologue. Terrific writing and acting.

Cavills spech: Hair rising. No machine ever felt anything so deeply. That explains everything.

I'd forgotten just how good Kate Vernon's performance was in that opening scene. She went so smoothly through that string of wildly different emotions: disorientation, horrified realization at what she is, sudden calm when she remembers everything else ... just amazing acting.

For a 50 year old ship that has endured the amount of punishment Galactica has. Only discovering now that the shipyard cut corners in her design. Imagine how strong a Battlestar built to its design specs would have been.

Maybe Galactica was the dying leader that was mentioned in the scrolls? 🤔

I don't think the old man is taking medication for any actual condition. At least not as prescribed. You notice he's washing those pills down with hard liquor. There's no scenario in which that's a proper way of taking any medication. My assumption here is he's at the end of his rope, and is self medicating. He's probably abusing those pills, whatever they are - likely some painkillers.

I think we’re meant to assume Cavil resurrected before they blew up the Hub (there was just enough time for it to happen, while they were getting her out of there). And yeah his line about having “seen it all before” is meant to confirm that he was the one frakking Ellen on New Caprica. One of my favourite episodes of the series. Can’t wait to hear you break down the finale. As far as the story- 1. They made Cylons on Kobol which evolved into the 13th Tribe that went to Earth. The story of them and their destination made it into the mythology of the 12 Colonies and obviously became distorted in that process. 2. The Earth Colony of Cylons eventually started procreating like humans, but also developed their own Centurion Cylons, which rebelled like they had originally done on Kobol, leading to the Earth Apocalypse. The Final Five, led by Ellen, rediscovered resurrection tech and set themselves up to be reborn. 3. The final five travelled to find the other 12 Colonies, but discovered that the humans had started repeating the cycle themselves, and so gave the Colonial centurions (remember them experimenting with Hybrids in “Razor”) the resurrection tech in exchange for ending the war. 4. The Final Five created the 8 skin job models on the Colony-John Cavil became jealous of Daniel, destroyed his line, and boxed his own creators. He manipulated and altered the memories of the remaining other skin job models, then had the final five resurrected without their real memories into the colonies so that when the Cylons returned to wipe humanity out, they’d experience the “mistake” of of humanity and resurrect having been humbled and loyal to Cavil’s philosophy. 5. The Final Five all miraculously survived and ended up eventually amongst the human fleet, leading to the events of the series.

Before the end of the series, one episode is dedicated to exploring who Daniel is. Note he is referred to as an artist.

In which Anders gets a bullet in his brain amd turns into an exposition machine.

Often big reveals don't live up to the hype but this one does. It isn't over the top it makes sense. Even though you don't want Cavil to be that way, getting revenge on someone who did you wrong is the history of humanity.

"Why all human" Because while there's a handful of Cylons that Adama "trusts", the truce with the Cylons (as a group) is fragile. And learning that the Human's main military asset is on its last legs.... might cause Cylon plans to change.

You talking about Richard Hatch at the start. Michael Hogan had a bad fall around covid-times and is still trying to recover :(

2:14 They didn't have time to more fully flesh out characters like Gaeda, etc., because they had to feature boxing matches and things like Apollo's venture into the world of pimps and hookers and Starbuck's wonderful latrine ship adventures. 😂

Cavil is the perfect example of why giving immortality to humans (yes, the cylons are as emotionally human as we are) is so dangerous. To be able to act without consequences is a recipe for disaster, and humanity should have to significantly evolve before immortality is allowed or even considered.

I gotta say at 10:46 - 10:53 that acting by Kate Vernon is frakking superb... no words, just... wow

A tumbrel - an open cart that tilted backward to empty out its load, in particular one used to convey condemned prisoners to the guillotine during the French Revolution.

When a car gets too damaged in its very framework, its time for the scrapper. After that, its like claiming you still have the same broom, despite changing out the head and the handle a few times. Had a cyst in my brain many years ago. Spent a couple years with massive headaches and behaviour issues. Only got surgery after being discharged from ER for like the 3rd time and collapsing on my face as I was leaving. Woke up on a gurney to be told "We found a tumor in your brain". Hell of a way to wake up

Oh, by the way, fun fact. I watched the first two episodes of final season of Star Trek Discovery and did a double take when I spotted a Cylon in a Starfleet uniform. Callum Keith Rennie (Leoben) plays Captain Rayner of the USS Antares. Caught a glimpse of the guy at first and my brain went 'who is that?' Then he spoke and as soon as I heard his voice I was 'Oh, there's a Cylon on the show.'

Love the tryptophan molecule necklace. Also loved taking this Journey with you. This series had a profound effect on me and I share the deep connection to the characters as well. 💕

The final 5 went to the 12 colonies to warn them not to create Cylons to try and break the cycle. Upon arrival, they realised it was too late, and they had already created them, and were at war with them. They began experimenting on humans to try and find a way to reproduce. The final 5 shared their resurrection technology with the Cylons if they were to end the war and all experiments.

During John’s rant about the supernova, I couldn’t escape thinking. Here he is surrounded by all of this advanced technology. The cylons in this series seem to be quite adept at bio-mechanical cybernetics. The 1s could have given themselves all of the advancements that he was talking about. They didn’t because they wanted their hate more.

This episode was all kinds of PERFECTION, it was really cool to get this strong set up to who what the final five were all about (mostly) and the performances by all specially Late Vernon (Love or Hate her character) she always delivers on performance same with Dean Stockwell they both shine in this episode so much. I really liked the idea of the 7th missing cylon which actually was from a plot hole in the story they realized that they had created the final 5 (which would have been the 12 cylons) but they realized that if this was the case they had already numbered the 8 Cylons but realized #7 was not one of them, and the fact they did not really want to put one of the final 5 as #7.... #8, #10, #11 and #12, they created the 7 as Daniel to fill that void that pit the final 5 as #9-#13. In top of it all it also goes back the the 13th tribe as been the one that went of to discover and build the Cylon Earth. over 2000 years earlier. Great reaction once again now we are at the final 5 these episodes are some of the coolest moments still yet to come, they do not go out on a low in my opinion in this show, it keeps ramping up for sure, enjoy.

I love this episode! - we all kinda guessed Ellen was going to be a 'final 5' member way back, but the arriving to that point in this episode is really well done, they could've gone the route of Ellen's first appearance & had her turn up on Galactica with Boomer in the Raptor & just say ''I was resurrected & escaped'' - giving the wonderful Kate Vernon those scenes aboard the Cylon ship with Dean Stockwell was perfect, the dialog is just fantastic & it's like she's playing a completely different character in this episode! Shoutout for the brilliant performance of Dean Stockwell, showing us how hateful, twisted & bitter Cavil is, but for my money this episode belongs to Kate! 😁❤

I’ve rewatched this series numerous times, and I love season 4 more each time… A lot going on, and it’s orchestrated so beautifully. I’m super excited for you to see the finale, but at the same time, very sad that it’s coming to an end.

You have no idea the emotions I felt seeing the Aircraft Carrier USS Kitty Hawk being scrapped after knowing its history…how it received 1,000s of Vietnamese refugees during the fall of Saigon when no one else could take the unending stream of helicopters from South Vietnam and pushing the emptied helicopters overboard to make room for more people….how the Kitty Hawk was there for every important airstrike during the war on terror….and after all that, when the ship was worn out, no city chose to buy it as a museum ship because the American military was hated at that time and the ship scrappers bought it from the navy for one penny and towed it away to rip it apart into razor blades after all that history….I reacted the same way you did about Galactica dying.

def Trumbril: an open cart that tilted backward to empty out its load, in particular one used to convey condemned prisoners to the guillotine during the French Revolution.

The main difference between FTL systems from the Cylon and Colonial perspectives is computing power. When the rescue of Sam Anders and the others from Caprica by the fleet was first being talked about, it was stated that a rescue attempt would take their Raptors over 240 jumps to reach Caprica. When the attempt was made the actual number of jumps was just ten, or at least twenty four times less than previously determined. This was because they were using an FTL computer from a captured Cylon Heavy Raider, with Athena acting as an interface. The Cylon FTL calcualted the jump, and then Athena programmed the jump on her's, and Starbuck's Raptor. These coordinates were then passed on to the other Raptors. The reason that Racetrack and Skulls ended up finding New Caprica was because when programming their jump coordinates some numbers got 'kicked' (swapped). There is no maximum range that an FTL can jump a ship, but every one has a 'red line'. The 'red' line' is the maximum safe jump range that the various ships can safely calculate a target destination for. The better your calculating power, the further you can safely jump. However, the further you jump, the more errors creep into the calculation until it reaches a point where it is no longer safe to jump. Again think about the Caprica Rescue, Racetrack and Skulls ended up in completely the wrong place and another Raptor ended up jumping inside a mountain, even with the Cylon jump cooradinates, all because a few digits were off. As for why the hardware takes time to 'spool up', FTL jumps require an enormous amount of energy to rip the ship from point A and let it reappear at point B. That energy needs to be generated. That takes time. The energy needed to jump a ship from one planet in a system to the nearest planet in the same system is no different than the energy needed to jump a ship from one end of the galaxy to the other. There is, hardware wise, no upper limit to how far a ship can jump. The limiting factor is the 'red line', how far a ship can safely calculate a safe jump. Cylon FTL systems can probably generate that energy faster, and may even have redundant systems to allow for more frequent jumps. A final point to think about is brought up in the mini series, and Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock. Colonial ships don't typically jump their ships, instead they use sublight drives to get around. One reason a colonial ship would jump is if it needed to reach another one of the Helios stars in the Helios system, which is a quaternary system (it has four suns) each sun has its own system of planets, with 12 of those planets falling into the habitable sphere of their suns. Helios Alpha - Caprica, Picon, Gemenon, Tauron. Helios Beta - Leonis, Virgon. Helios Gamma - Scorpia, Libran, Sagitarron. Helios Delta - Aerilon, Canceron, Aquaria. These four star systems have a complex orbit set up. Helios Alpha and Beta obit around a common point, while Helios Gamma and Delta orbit around another common point, and then both Helios pairs obit around yet another common point. As can be seen from the system list if you wanted to go from Caprica to Picon you could use sublight travel, but to go from Aerilon to Caprica, as Gaius did, you would need to make an FTL jump as these two worlds are orbiting different stars. Prior to the First Cylon War, as depicted in Deadlock, the colonials out sourced their FTL calculations to the IDRIS network which allowed for a ship to jump from any world in any system to any other in a single jump. After the Cylons compromised the IDRIS network, jumps between systems became impossible to safely calculate, and so getting from one system to another meant using intermediary jump points, and then recalculating the next jump leg and then repeating the process. This outsourcing also helps explain why the Cylon FTL computers are so vastly superior to colonial ones. The colonials had primitive FTL set ups on their ships, relying on the IDRIS network for much of their computing power. Once the IDRIS network was taken down their primitive systems were able to still calculate jumps, but at vastly reduced distances.

I was waiting for this episode to see her freak out over Ellen. Also love the braids

Ellen coming out of the bath of goop with the help of the centurion was very reminiscent of The Creation of Adam. And then later her eating the apple. The relationship between Ellen and Cavil was very biblical. She wasn't just his mother. She was mother to all the human-model Cylons. She was Eve. And I absolutely love Dean Stockwell's "I don't want to be human" speech. He's rejecting the divinity that was his birth, wanting to make something of himself by himself.

I've been barrelling through the series the past couple weeks and microdosing your reactions every 2-3 episodes, lol. Nice to see you're still working your way through the series, I think I might finish it just in time for your finale reaction (I'm about to watch 4x5 right now, so about 10 episodes behind your channel, lol). Sadly, I had the whole ending spoiled for me before I even started watching the series myself, but I've still been enjoying it (and your reactions) immensely!

(27:15) Tumbrel : cart to carry out the dead

Now you need to cope with the revelation that the "Final Five" are not actually the final five. Rather, they could be called the "Initial Five". It all ended up being a very clever misdirection. The Initial Five existed on their own home world (together with the rest of the biologically reproducing 13th tribe that had abandoned resurrection technology) a couple of thousand years before any cylons were created on Caprica by the 12 colonies, or before the 8 numbered models were even later on created by the five.

The way you did the colors of the lights in the background of your room is SO good here

John Hopkins? Mayo? These people have a faster than light drive... let them do my brain surgery thanks 😂

I hate Cavil, but I LOVE his speech to Ellen when he starts talking about the Supernova, I memorized that shit, never forgot. Amazing writing.

There was one not horrible Cavil, the resistance priest from Caprica. He was spaced in S2 finale and subsequently boxed by the rest of the Cavils.

A tumbrel is a kind of cart which the French revolutionaries used to bring royalty--and anybody else they happened to dislike--to the guillotine.

I knew you'd love this Ellen, the full Ellen!

I always assumed Cavil may've downloaded right before the Hub was destroyed, but idk. As far as the history of the show, here it is as best as we know: 4,000 years ago, humanity started out on Kobol as 12 tribes, they eventually created their own cylons. After time, they split off, humanity went and colonized the 12 colonies, and the cylons went to earth and colonized that. Over time, they lost the need and knowledge of resurrection as they started having biological children. They lasted for roughly 2,000 years, during which time, they created their own cylons, who eventually turned on them. Around the time of their apocalypse, they rediscovered resurrection, allowing the 5 to escape by redownloading. They set out to find the 12 colonies and warn them of what happened, as to prevent the colonies from suffering the same fate. Unfortunately, due to limited travel, it took them a long time to reach the colonies, which by then, were already at war. In agreeing to help the colonial cylons create their own human models, the war was ended. During the peace, Cavil of course being the truly evil being he is, turned on them and planted them with false memories within the colonies and then carried out his plan, in the hope they'd realize humanity wasn't worth saving.

Since this is the "revelation" episode, it's time to puzzle things together: all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again. It's the story of creation, rebellion, extinction and creation again. Human life began on Kobol, where the "Gods of Kobol" (or some other living form of a creator, maybe just evolution at all) created humans, 12 tribes of human life. the humans themselves (I believe) created the 13th tribe, the original cylons. But they rebelled against their human creators, so they left Kobol and headed to another planet called Earth. After this destructive event, the 12 human tribes rebelled against their creators, the gods of Kobol, and left for the Cyrannus star system and founded the 12 colonies of Kobol. Whilst their time on 12 different planets evolving and living, the 13th cylon tribe on Kobol created machines mimicing themselves, so they made their own type of centurions. This lead to an extinction level event on Earth, which aftermath was still visible many hundreds or thousands of years later witnessed in S04E10. This cylon tribe however was diffrerent from the 12 human tribes on Kobol. They were as "artificially" created lifeforms capable of resurrection. Just like machines are "resurrectable" by changing parts and booting them up again, they could resurrect and live again after they died. Maybe this form of everlasting life was part of the conflict on Kobol, either conflict between the 12 human and the cylon tribe or conflict between the humans and the gods of Kobol. Either way, on their long travel from Kobol to Earth, they went trough evolution which made the 13th tribe capable of biologial reproduction just like humans. On the other hand, this lead to them "unlearning" how to resurrect. A small team of scientists (Tyrol, Anders, Tory, Saul and Ellen) were able to repair the cylon's ability to resurrect, but it was "too late" for the 13th tribe. They already made their own centurions and were heading into a global war between the 13th cylon tribe and their centurions, so when they repaired the resurrection, they very soon died afterwards due to the nuclear destruction of Earth. All of the 13th tribe left were those cylons presented in BSG as the "Final Five". They were able to resurrect, but learned the truth about the cycle of creation, rebellion and extinction, so they decided to warn the 12 human tribes of the fate they were running into. However, they weren't able to travel faster than light, so it took them many many years to arrive at the 12 colonies. In the meantime they created the skinjobs, 8 humanoid looking models to help them. Once they've reached the 12 colonies, they had already started their conflict with their own version of centurions. So they decided to partner up and give them resurrection technology in exchange for an end of the cylon war, which they did. This marked the end of the first cylon war of the 12 colonies of Kobol. However, the Final Five were in for their own "extinction" by their creation, the skinjobs. Cavil poisoned the whole model line 7 out of envy, reprogrammed the other skinjob's memories and killed every copy of the final five, except for one single copy of each Tyrol, Tory, Anders, Saul and Ellen, which were then put into the human tribes unknowing of their own cylon heritage. He wanted them to die in the Extinction-level 2nd war of the cylons (at least that's what we learned in this episode), which marked the beginning of this series. But they all survived, so his "lesson" he wanted to teach them never got teached up to the end. Anyways, that's everything we know or are capable of puzzling together now at this state of the show. Although I very much like this episode due to great speeches, revelations and tension build up during flashbacks and the scenes with Anders, the whole explanation falls short due to the time this show has left, as well due to the time Anders is given until he undergoes surgery. Hopefully I could help some people understand the story. If I made some mistakes, feel free to correct me ^^

Its worth noting that Galen is basically telling Adama that his options are the resin or losing Galactica altogether. Without something to fix the rot, they won't have many jumps/fights left and then they'd have to abandon Galactica. That would leave the base ship as the only real firepower left in the fleet. I'd take the resin over losing the firepower Galactica represents. Battlestars have already been shown to be generally better in a 1v1 fight (or even outnumbered). Plus there's the politics of losing Galactica and having the Cylon ship, even if Adama commands it, as thew guardian of the fleet. Also, a lot of people live in the starboard flight pod (plus ship's crew) that would need to go somewhere.

I can't wait to see her reaction to BSG The Plan, she'll have a much deeper understanding of who Cavil truly is, as well as answer a few unanswered questions from the first two seasons.

Did you know the father of Kate Vernon played Dean Wermer in Animal House when Kate was 16. She told me dating in High school was always a problem when they first met Dean Wermer, and he played on it.

My only issue with this episode ( its one of the best episodes) is that Galen chose his words poorly when describing the problem with the old gal. He said 'as it matures', instantly invoking an image of a semi-conscious cybernetic being like the raiders or something, instantly putting the old man on the 'aw hell no' mode. What he should've said is 'as it hardens, like a resin'. There are biological resins that harden over time and i feel this would've put the old man at ease a bit more.

So how much Mayo do they have at the mayo clinic? That's an Airplane reference. If you haven't seen you must. ITS SO FUNNY =D

Also the fucking casual drop that Cavil was the one who gave the 5 fake memories and put them in the colonies

26:50 Biological as in the way coral is biological for instance.

I was waiting for this return ❤

"I don't want to be human!"

Okay, now that *everything* is on the table and we can fully talk about the history, let's see if I remember the order of things: 1) Drama on Kobol 2) 13th (Cylon) tribe leaves Kobol. May be before the other 12 leave, may already be humanoid and have Resurrection. 3) 12 Tribes leave Kobol. Everyone establishes their respective planets. 4) Earth Cylons are able to have children when love is part of the equation, and let Resurrection pass into obscurity. 5) Angels warn the Final Five of the impending rebellion. They ensure their own Resurrection and then leave on a ship *slower than light* to reach the 12 Colonies. Trip takes 2,000 years. 6) First Cylon War rages. The Final Five arrive, and promise to make the Centurions biological bodies if they end the war with the humans. 7) Armistice, and creation of the 8 humanoid Cylon model. 8) Cavil betrays the Five, and inserts them into the Colonies to "teach them about humanity" and basically watches them suffer. 9) The new Fall of Man, with the Galactica leading the new Exodus, completing the cycle of time. Cavil ensures the Five are alive and in the Fleet so their "lesson" continues. 10) The show proceeds as we see, with our conclusion imminent.

Great Reaction Angela 🌻

When they started the series, they were always commenting that they needed to cut some corners to get it made. So, that's how the book thing came about. They regretted it later since they were spending a lot of time cutting the corners off of books and paper.

Dean Stockwell, Rest in Power!

19:30 year 2009, ladies and gentlemen. the last significant scene of sci-fi, ever.... the machine who WANTS to keep being a machine, because humans are so frakked up he wants nothing with it. there was another work across the pond, a comedy, that began with the quote "Year 2009. The world is dominated by idiocy" and effectively, we've been on the decline since then

Interesting fact that the actor who played Sam was in an accident that severely hurt his neck, and they used it in the series.

Kater Vernon was probably 47 or so when this episode filmed. She definitely looks great. It's crazy that is only 5 years older than I am now.

A tumbril is an open ended two wheeled cart that tilted to unload its contents used during the French Revolution to bring prisoners to the guillotine. A little bit of historical facts thrown in there. 😢

OMG that cut to the actor from the commercial killed me LOL

Wow, how the tides have turned... bwahahahahahaahha, all the ellen love. :D

"It's in her bones" that's not fixable by human means

I've always thought Daniel was Starbucks father. Which is why she is so significant to everything.

Been waiting for this one!

Cavil removed all her memories and left her with only Ellen's worst habits. This resurrected Ellen is still Ellen and still has the toxic habits. Cavil is so consumed with jealousy and hatred that he doesn't even know what he really wants. He wants to see xrays and feel gamma rays like one would see a sunrise or feel the wind in your hair not realizing he could have all those experiences if he bothered to look at the universe with awe and gratitude.

34:51 - Galactica isn't 50 years old. They said Galactica was 50 years old *before the war even started*. lol So then she fought through the Cylon war, served some unspecified time longer, and then was being turned into a museum ship.

Loved this Ellen. Love the actress, she was fantastic throughout, even playing the Ellen I hated.

It's interesting to see a prevailing theme of the show seems to be the eventual goal of combining humans with Cylon, and now the Galactica with Cylon organics

Only if the Pegasus was still around...dammit Lee.

Cavi has Hybrid envy.

I've not heard it before, but it's very interesting to learn your profession is dentistry/orthodontics. There's no reason to think it odd, but I don't think I would've ever guessed that!!! At any rate, it's again noteworthy to me, that despite your indisputably bountiful empathy and compassion, you find it easy to consign Cavil to the cage of being a monster and nothing more, apparently. This, while acknowledging how his struggle with the definition of his nature is so clearly laid out in this episode. Now, while I can't say this with assurance, it certainly seems that a principal foundation of the series was to present just about every character, human or Cylon, as being on an aspirational quest to define themselves, as being something more, better, or simply different. All in the middle of the hellish cauldron of an existentially threatening conflict. I believe such a struggle even apllied to someone as apparently unregenerately evil as Cavil. No, we're not meant to sympathize, let alone root for him. Yet, if we can apprehend his rationale for seeking humanity's destruction and look past that, the closer view at the despair he feels in how he's limited from reaching what he essentially desires from his existence can at least be appreciated. I don't reckon there's any way Cavil can remediate his condition in a way that's at all fulfilling, as you seem to posit is possible.How would he do it? I would certainly affirm that any change in his makeup and capabilities would require, allowing him to retain control of his brethren, as that urge is as elemental to him as is his anger, pettiness, and vindictiveness. Ultimately, I find Cavil to be a nuanced individual, worthy of more attention than as the focus for implacable disdain, and not just by virtue of Stockwell's sterling performance. I would add, as you've likely already seen the finale, there's even more reason presented there to question how his motivations might, in fact, be malleable and no so predictably those of a one-note uber-villain. Lastly, as you commented on it, it's kind of difficult to say Lee took Roslin's counsel to heart, when all was said and done, don't you think?

Yeah, I'm going to have to re-watch this entire series. Syfy only had three series that I was a fanatic about. Stargate SG-1, Farscape, and Battlestar Galactica.