Always the same - just facile (and glib) _describing,_ not _explaining_ anything. This guy is another of the dozens of young "professors" and "doctors" the BBC uses to try and indoctrinate their "youth" audience. I use quotes around their titles because they were once used 'honorifically' in acknowledgment of a lifetime (decades) of academic endeavour, not in this profligate and vulgar fashion for 20 or 30 something year-old upstarts like "Professor" Iain _"I'm just so fantastic, me"_ Stewart.
This video is just a snippet. That was from the previous segment of the doc, which is actually a multipart doc about grass and how it has affected human development through the ages
@ Correct, then there are the many ancient buildings/cities found deep under the ocean. The Egyptians never built the pyramids of giza, nor the sphinx. The proof is in the complete lack of decoration, just look at literally everything else they made, and the tombs in the valley of the Kings, no comparison. No, it probably wasn't aliens. I wouldn't trust the BBC to get me a glass of water. Oh, so as well as highly advanced stone working, these hunter gathers woke up one morning and could genetically modify plants. Sounds legit. Hunter gatherer 1: We need, er, bread, give me a minute to genetically alter a shit load of wheat. Hunter gatherer 2: Yeah, then we'll make sandwiches. Hunter gatherer 3: You know what we should do now we invented that bread, advanced stone masonry. And we'll align the site perfectly to the north and south. Hunter gatherer 4: What's North and South, we don't have a compass. Hunter gatherer 4: Dont worry about that my friend, we don't have the tech to build the tools we need to start this advanced stone masonry, but let's not worry about that either. And that's exactly how it went. 3c
@ I agree, plus current and past archaeologists and historians don't like their work being turned upside down which is why they will fight any version of history that is different to the norm. Looking at past advanced civilisations all around the world like the clovis people in the Americas, were wiped out by the younger dryas event around 12000 years ago. The chap who runs the bright insight RU-vid channel also has a brilliant explanation for the location of the civilisation known as Atlantis, it is the best theory so far on the sea faring nation that battled with the Greeks on many occasions.
Since something like 90% or more of this place has not yet been excavated, maybe assuming this is a religious temple built by people newly turned farmers might be a bit premature.
+Dorothyellen w no might be about it they should emphasize the point that it is only a theory. I personally think they are floundering and trying to make this fit their idea's of history instead of admiting they might be wrong and will have to change all the history books.
David Hood - “A final word to students - - What man knows is little enough and most of his general concepts in every field are vitiated by the artificial concepts he has created to cover his ignorance. These concepts must be destroyed.” Hapgood in "Paths of the Poles" p284. Advice we should all take to heart.
Everything is deemed a temple. Those with the power to control the information are working quite hard to keep our world wide focus on fairytales and not the true reasons and purposes.
I heard Gobekli Tepe for the first time during a TV documentary in Italian language. Wow, I didn't know this archaeological site. It's amazing! Its inhabitants were really great builders.
DEVILxMAYxCRYx5 that podcast was abesloute cancer the guy was being confrontational for no reason trying to project his immature romanticised historical theory no matter who these people were they were living in mud huts and worshipped fake sky gods that is nothing compared to modern human advancement
Not really. We just need to refine dates and our picture of the people in the area. It's not overthrowing anything. Dates are always tentative. It's always been assumed that the neolithic revolution was gradual. People in the area would have been pretty advanced before embracing domestication and agriculture fully.
A very simplistic story telling. Wheat was not our first domesticated plant, agriculture started pretty much at once all around the fertile crescent with a veriety of crops that most of them have not survived. There are many Gobekli Tepes, we are aware of their existence, but we have not dug them out yet.
Charlie Hutch agreed. Notice the small mud bricks or stones used to build wall between the megaliths? Not the same technology. Not like a megalithic civilization. Those appear to have been added later by another group. Which would still have been at least 12 thousand years ago.
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “ This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
'The First People to have Bread' - every time the 'timeline' of Civilizations gets pushed back...they then become 'the first people'...how about we realize it's the 'first people WE KNOW OF SO FAR' and leave it open ended...since the story of discovery is always expanding. Academics who are so intelligent would understand this simple fact...woundl't they? They wouldn't be lead by personal ego wanting to be THE person who has discovered THE oldest and FIRST place for whatever would they?
So those peoples realized a genetic mutation in wheat, learned to make bread, became expert farmers, learned to quarry stone, became expert stonemasons, became artisans, building planers and decided to create a megalithic stone city (temple) straight out of the ice age. Not conceivably possible. What is so much more amazing than this discovery is the complete ineptitude of the scientific community. They absolutely will not deviate from their text book teachings.
Jeremy Kirkpatrick Troy and the Trojan wars were ‘pure myth’... until they found Troy etc... Plato wrote earnestly on the subject, why would pick Atlantis out as myth but believe the rest of his writing?
Jeremy Kirkpatrick well Plato said it was beyond the pillars of Hercules... i think it’s somewhere off the Atlantic coast, not in the med. I need to do more research on Troy? So it hasn’t been discovered?
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick People aren't morons for believing there was a lost civilisation. In fact, at the rate the evidence is coming in, there's more to suggest there was than wasn't. You should be kinder to your fellow man brother.
Plato wrote many framing stories for his dialogues... a walk in rural Attica for Phaedra’s, a celebration for a dramatic contest for the symposium, the story of Diotima in the symposium as well, waiting for Socrates trial in Euthyphro. Many of these are just frame stories. Plato had an option to write diatribes instead of writing dialogues, he chose a more immersive medium. The figure of Critias is interesting - he might be a relative of one of the 30 tyrants appointed by Sparta after Athens lost the Peloponnesian war. So in a way it is am attempt to say that Socrates had more of an association with a relative rather than the tyrant himself. Critias was one of the most hated of that lot among the Athenians. And Socrates seemed to be very much of a pro-Spartan, pro-oligarchic and anti democratic persuasion... and that is the truth behind his execution. So, positioning Critias to tell this story about Athens’ glorious past in unrecorded antiquity is a way of him saying “see, he’s not that bad after all” to his contemporaries. Also jumbling up details about the historical Critias he is also purposefully muddying the waters. So in fact Plato has reasons to chose to tell his story in that way. Presumably Critias would go on to offer an analysis of politics and of history in the platonic fashion. Instead Plato abandoned that effort to write the Laws.
I agree with some other comments here. Stating that these were the first farmers, and the first people to make bread is a bit premature. They are the first as far as we know. I fear the studiers of Gobekli Tepe are making the same mistake as others before as in claiming in fact that this is the first civilization to abandon hunt gather, for ag. Thats potentially true but we wont know until the next, older Civilization is discovered. Everyone needs to keep an open mind.
all that solved was how they fed everyone. Where did they get these skills to build Göbekli Tepe? Stonecutting, brick laying, city development, etc, etc.
I concur; The brunt of history is written by those with illusory superiority and those seeking to alter it,.. plausibly one in the same. New finds are put on the debunk list and seemingly never removed... kina mischievous.
By its existence, gobekli tepe says there is a less sophisticated but older site where humans figured out how to quarry, transport and erect smaller stones, carve less sophisticated images. You don't start quarrying and transporting 50 tonne stones many kilometers while trying to figure it out on the fly.
There are. There are plenty of petroglyphs which include low relief carving. The Natufians were constructing mud and reed huts at this time and making use of stone for simple structures.
To say we know anything for certain about this place is a pretty bold statement considering it doesn't fit the timeline of civilization the scientists world wide have come to accept and promote, not to mention the writings are undecipherable. Go ahead and banter and bicker you fools that think you have it all figured out because you know absolutely nothing at all and only have your best guess to go on.
We don't know if they "just" discovered agriculture.. but what we do know is that this site proves that people back then were far more advanced than we believed. This site is the start of a new way of looking at our passed..
people forget that along with the neolithic stone working there was already a more sophisticated wood working tradition. Unfortunatly these works rarely show up in archeological sites because wood as an organic product decays over time. Nevertheless we can assume that they were able to build huts, shrines and monuments with wood as the primary building material. The complexity that we see in these megalithic sites may be a product of an extended experience with wood working. A good painter sketches before he starts to paint with more expensive materials.
It's interesting to note the parallels between wheat/grasses being the basis of our civilization, as well as giving us the serendipitous discovery of LSD.
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “ This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
@@Ardour7artThese ethnic identifications didn't even exist 13.000 years ago and Mesopotamia was pretty much centre of the civilizations at the time. so go fuck yourself with your nationalistic bullshit. This history belongs to human kind.
So , the guys are sitting around the fire, picken the days kill outta the teeth, complaining about the wifes lack of lovey dovey ... and buddy says...hey!!! lets build a temple, but not just any temple , were gonna use 10 to 15 ton stones..and yes...1 piece monoliths..lol and were gonna drag these stones into place with sheer man-power .... Ya ...thats gonna fly. He then goes on to use the sand and a stick to explain to everyone the correct use of leverage and fulcrums... Let me give up my daily routine,hunt,collect wood for the fire, get water cuz thats all usually done by 10 am , just lemme talk the wife into taking over those chores, we can force kids to hump the stones pick up the slack ...o.k so when do we start.
I think the best way to accomplish that would be with sound waves, utilizing various frequencies depending on the stone at hand. Granite? One frequency, so on and so forth. Maybe a combination of both technologies depending on the material needing to be moved and how far.
@@paranormal33 I believe that's a hypothesis. From there you build up the evidence. Have you any evidence to refute Gayle's hypothesis? I'm thinking not.
When time vs. gathering calories leaves a surplus of the former. Man would of had the luxury to exercise creative pursuits like stone carving, temple building along with other imaginative and practical pursuits. So perhaps the altered wheat may have given the birth to the idea of a more efficient method to create time via crop cultivation. The priority on free time is no different now.
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “ This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
How they know these people are first to have bread from wheat? What they say makes no sense. They got wheat 12000 years ago, supposedly, and the first thing in their mind was to built this huge structure out of stone? I don't think so. You still have agrarian cultures that have no desires to built huge energy and time consuming stone sites like this
+EwE Whisperer That doesnt work to have one male and 4 females. This is because there isnt enough genetic diversity. The population will probably die in under ten generations because of inbreeding, and with rabbits that is about 2 years. Also rabbits are like cardboard nutritionally, and you can actually starve to death eating them.
Royalty was inbred. This is why so many royal people had major mental and physical deformities. Trust me, being inbred is a huge disadantage, They did a study where they got 100 females, and one male, and seen how long the genetics would last, and the population died after about ten generation. Dont screw around with genetics, because the science is very well based.
and as for the testosterone filled low IQ men, that is very A: rude, B: makes me question your intelligence quotient, and C: shows how uninformed you are. As Mark Twain said "never argue with an idiot because he brings you down to his leveland beats you with experience", so im not replying to this comment thread anymore. Im a fourth year university student, and it royally pisses me off when people make statements about things that they have no knowledge of.
+Hendrick VanLaar thats why we are in the mess we are in. first adam and eve. then when that degenerated noah and his family (the only flood servivers ) we have probably died out now and this is hell.
Hunter-gatherer communities would unlikely be able to build such structures as simply finding food sources would be a continual chore. The idea is that grasses adapted in a way that was mutually beneficial and allowed for humans to farm wheat instead of having to forage for it. This meant that less time and energy would have been spent looking for food, which would have given humans more time to pursue other activities and develop their intellectual and technological capabilities.
Gobekli tepe was purposely buried 12 thousand years ago, no one has any idea when it was actually built, 12 thousand, 20 thousand, a hundred thousand years is anyone's guess!!!🖖😁
Vay be adamlar taa amerigalardan gelip burayı keşfediyorlar wallahi helal oldun ben Urfa'lıyım şimdi'ye kadar hiç gitmedim oraya aramızdaki mesafe 45-50 km olmasına rağmen...
the reason wheat is brought into this story is because they need to find a way to explain that hunter gatherers where not the people who built this place. Because that would be impossible. what they need to explain is how hunter gatherers stayed in a place that produced an inefficient food source long enough to select, during many generations, a good enough seed-food resource in order to have overproduction to cover the necessities of a society with enough free time to build this structure.
I think what is interesting is something like this is usually choreographed. It's one thing to paint something on the wall because you want to paint something on the wall, it's another to decide to build large monuments. It takes concentrated efforts of several people and you need either slaves or workers interest, neither of which are present, I think, among hunter and gatherers.
Yea, not only did you find this place on the surface of the earth but it just so happens to be the cradle of agricultural civilization. Lucky .... super lucky
well i didnt see any friggin wheat scratched on the pillars of the tepe mk? Not a single scrap. Doesnt seem like wheat was all that important really r they'd have made a note on a wall or sumthin. They can't explain the London Hammer either and a whole host of other weird crap so what does the lamestream do? they ignore it....
So, hunter gatherers decided build Gobekli Tepe, carve 3D animals into huge, single pieces of stone, then bury the whole thing under a huge hill (50 acres) because a plant mutated 12,000 years ago, and the problem is solved....??
Very impressive. Still so much to discover there. Looks like the temples may have been partly used for a ritual milling of the seeds? Because there are so many stones carved by rubbing something into powder.. on them. Look at the top of the main pillars, and inside the buildings was found a structure with many such holes done by friction..
Wonderful BBC Video. All researchers around the world should study this but with an open mind. I am very sorry for my 5 long comments below. But I had to add to an excellent video my incredible anthropological discovery and research. The Cassi or Khasi are described as an Iron Age Tribe of Britain. Please read my detailed history of the Khasis below. I am convince that they erected the Göbekli Tepe complex. My heartiest congratulations to BBC for the great Documentary.
Two questions are posed. One: How was Gobekli Tepe constructed? Two: What role did the mutation of wheat play in the role of agriculture? These questions are not satisfactorily answered.
Even if I were to believe that a group of hunter-gathers found that field of wild wheat. Then they what? Started a farming community? Ok That community would've had to grown into thousands and thousands just to have the manpower in order to create Gobekli Tepe. But then there's the stickier problem of how did stone age farmers have the TOOLS and know how to accomplish such a feat?
You just wack blocks with harder blocks until they make a clean shape. If you think that requires a "modern" intellect then that really makes your own intelligence level.
if its so easy then why did humans wait 200 000 years of their existence to go from carving rocks to traveling to the moon in 12 000 years? by that logic it would make as much sense that humans would go from carving rocks to travel to the moon the first 12 000 years of their existence then collapsing and doing it again and again no?
It is likely the oldest, because it was deliberately buried, and coincides with the world record of wheat. So it appears that hunter gatherers there were the first ones able to create and fuel something like this and something went wrong. Leading them to return to older ways. Or move. But wanted to preserve their original achievement. That’s what I got out of it, I suppose.
could be indeed, or any number of soup pot glalatic races that have been coming here for tens of thousands of years living among us without us even being aware of it...I have yet to have anyone explain Puma Puncu and Ballbek trillitons. Puma Puncu is made of diorite,which happens to be the 2nd hardest mineral around, and copper and stone tools are good as a stick of butter in drilling and cutting these stones, still no splainin being offered, Ica Stones of Peru as well nuthin but mumm, pax!
Experts: making calculated estimations given the evidence and experience they have in the field they are experts in. A dickhead online: nah fam. I won't take bread for an answer. I want a more compelling backstory.
To us, the 4000 year pyramids are ancient. To the pyramid builders, Gobekli Tepe is twice more ancient to them than the pyramids are to us. Mind blown. 🤯
Theres more to this site than meets the eye. About time we started thinking out of the box on this one. There is another site similar to Gobekli. If there are two there must be more.
There's a similar hilltop near the village of Derik. Perhaps the site was buried to protect it from invaders? They might have thought it easier to rebuild on top than to dig it out again.
Built by hunter-gatherers with no knowledge of farming. Then the wheat mutated just before the Younger Dryas event wiped them out.. Sounds like a typical BBC conclusion. A mixture of Shakespeare and Dr Seuss.
Very interesting: a picure of people from the past and a picture of people today (the scientist and filmmaker and the comments here. ) Observing history of planet earth and its inhabitants, including homo sapiens invites to a humble attitude.
As far as I've read, it wasn't primarly bread that grain was needed for, but for beer brewing. The oldest agriculture is said to been due to beer. Salud, Skål, Prost, Cheers! :-)
Why is there a moaning woman in the background. Any documentary or movie that's filmed in the Middle East seems to always need that annoying musical score.
It's the B.B.C. They do it all the time nowadays, I think it's some contractual obligation to render any potentially interesting programme un-watchable with background music. Their speciality is playing music with either a blindingly obvious or incredibly tenuous link to the subject e.g. the Nile oooh let's play "the Nile Song" I'm sorry, but I think they have a department of very stupid young people with a database of song titles which they excitedly search and feel clever when they feel they have found something god I'm ranting I'll tell you why, on the 75th anniversary of the battle of Britain, the B.B.C. news ran an article, the background graphic was a Fairey Battle dropping a bomb. You just know that their idiot department of matching themes with music/visual stuff Googled "WW2 Battle of Britain" and found that entirely inappropriate clip, "battle" you see, fucking dumbass know-nothing erm o.k. got that off my chest now, what were you saying? Try finding some 1970's Open University programmes, invariably presented by some unkempt, awkward and badly dressed man in black and white with some chalk and a blackboard but VERY WATCHABLE.
@@fritzthedog007 Well ranted, but in future try to retain a wee bit of chest. lol :) Hey just realised bit od Being a british understatement (Better In The Old Days) - suppose it needs ducky on the end ??? Or dammit or dude.... So have you found randall carlson yet ? at ru-vid.comvideos Very much the unkempt man with a white board and a slideshow doing very watchable stuff.
Fertile Crescent is still a main contender as the first civilizations. This is distinguished from meaning cultures or settlements with buildings which long predate "civilization". Malta for example has very early and impressive architecture long before Egypt and Mesopotamia but does not as yet meet criteria for what we define as "civilization".
Who's to say there weren't even earlier civilizations we just haven't dug up yet, we can't be certain about anything we're talking about 12000 years ago
Thank you for continuing to record and show the new Mirazan sites (the original, local Kurdish name for the recent official gov name). Mirazan ("miracle maker"). the local, childless women give offering at these hills, hoping for a child. The fertility myth of the hills, still lingers. Mirazan is the meaningful, localname for this entire super old civilization/culture. A lot better than the silly name of Gobekli ("potbelly")-- given to it by the ruling government there . I hope you continue showing us more and more of the Mirazan sites as they get dug up.
@@TWOCOWS1 No, If you look at the Lanscape maps(www.google.com/maps/@36.9964263,38.6267208,87201m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttuIt is just near the corner of a hill)where exactly one of the part of Euphates ending.
I think civalisation was here long before Gobeki Tepe, we just haven't found it yet, and I don't mean alians, I mean civalisations that have been whipped out, near exstinction and come back from the brink time and again.
Yeah right , the bread gave them the knowledge to build these vast complicated structures. You wouldnt by chance have any swampland land to sell do you.
well acording to Graham Hankock it was " build" constructed ..in connection with the big floodds that ended the atlantis age...... a kind of refuge for some of the survivors from atlantis:-)
Truth is, we don't know what the oldest civilization is. Or even where for that matter. As long as there have been people, I'm sure there have been communities.. Communities far more advanced than the little hunter gatherer groups we'd like to think they all were. There's strength in numbers. For instance if a group of 10 or 15 were competing with a groupie 200 for the same resources, which group would you put your money on? I think in the future we'll find evidence of insanely old civilizations. But even more importantly, imagine the evidence that time and the elements have completely wiped from the face of the Earth.
Try this, when Noah landed on the mount of salvation (mt. Ararat )and the anunnakis returned to earth from their safe zone to meet up with him, they the anunnakis decided it was time their creation man was to be assisted in developing there on cities, with the anunnakis help Gobekli tepe was among the first, and many of the stone figurines were of the family of Noah, if you didn't Know this now you do!
Why? The ice did not reach Anatolia. Domestication could happen reasonably quickly and even nomadic hunter gatherers do actually plant crops to harvest the following year. The builders of Gobekli Tepe were on the cusp of change...cultural change takes a while and the gradually decreasing quality of GT build is probably suggestive of this change. The life of GT was about 2000 years...about the same time between us and Christ; a lot has happened in the last 300, let alone the last 2000 years
