I don't think they should use them in high school most high school players don't go to collage the bbcor bats are a lot closer to wood then the besr was switching from alloy to wood bat isn't that big of a deal I don't understand why everyone act like its a big deal transitioning from the bbcor to wood just means you lose a few feet on your hit and don't get as much bad contact to fall in for a base hit as far as my overall distance I don't notice a big difference I could still get it over the fence with about 10 feet to spare but I did notice the difference in the amount of times I could get the ball out in one bp session but it's still not a big deal if you can hit you can hit changing what the bats made of won't make a big difference
redneckon2wheels it's just the dangers of aluminum bats, if it's a line drive to the pitches head, it's like +100mph with an aluminum bat. While with a wood bat, it's slower so less deadly
That's one of the reasons they switched to bbcor bbcor bats don't come off the bat faster then the 80's for you average collage guys slower for a rage high school I don't know how old you are but my dad played high school baseball in the mid 90's they used straight aluminum bats those would come off even faster then the besr did besr compared to bbcor is a huge difference I never got to hit with them in high school because the standard switched my freshman year but with the besr I was hitting just as far in 8th grade as I was in 9th
BBCOR helped me out so much this season! i hit at least 10 fly balls to the track, and i got hit with a comebacker when i was pitching, and thanks to BBCOR, it STILL broke my shin! thanks to the NCAA for imposing these life saving rules
Pitchers are pussies. They should wear helmets if they are that worried about it. Batters get hit in the face with baseballs but you don't see anyone making baseballs softer, they just make bats like plastic so we have to keep wasting money. Pathetic. I'm laying out any pitcher that hits me with a pitch.
You guys obviously don’t have a son who pitches. My son is 11 and is one of the better pitchers in his age group. If a player throws the ball hard enough and good hitter can KILL the person on the mound. It’s easy to say “stop being a baby” until the most priceless thing in your world is literally stand in harms way.
Joshua Hines if your son is 11 he probably throws like 50-55... I’m a pitcher too and I can tell you that if he can’t react or at least move out of the way of a ball coming of another 11 yo’s bat then he probably shouldn’t be on the mound.
here, ill say it...i love bbcor. it seperates the great hitters from the hitters who got lucky. granted, i love my besr bat, and i would switch back to besr in a heartbeat. but i love how bbcor has made players and teams adapt to a "small ball" type of game. i love it. i may be alone, but i love bbcor.
I would like to see them do another episode like this with the new composites that have came out because some of them are just insane. The new ones also are balanced to be so light-feeling that people get high swing speed and crush the ball anyways.
In high school I used to use the Easton Connextion. Scandium alloy. These bats were freaking amazing with a huge sweet spot. Ahhh....those were the days.
Agreed, what I feel is that every single thing can determine the outcome of the game, it's not just always 1 thing in particular, but everything put together. Aside from all the things that can change outcome, Baseball will always be a sport, which requires skill, luck, repetition, and practice. Have a great day!
i like the idea of player safety with the new bats. although it won't be as fun to hit with these, i like the idea that we will now see who has the true baseball skills with a smaller sweet spot, etc.
Yeah but I've played baseball my whole life and I've only ever seen 3 wood bats break and I'm 26 you have to be a big leaguer to consistently break them
The reason that we have BBCOR isn't just for protection, it's to bring back the game of baseball the way it's supposed to be played. The runs scored in a college game were way to high with the old bats and it took the art of small ball out of the game. Notice how much more small ball was played in college games this year with the new bats? In the long run it will actually help players make the transition from high school and college to the pros.
i just bought a combat backbone wich is half composite half wooden. it has a composite handle similar to dimarini and a maple barrel with a composite sleeve running through the barrel. cant wait to use it and its bbcor certified.
Very true, but ultimately, switching to a bat that has less pop shouldn't determine the outcome of a game. It'll still come down to who's the better team that day. Pretty much every sport out there is a game of adjustments, and if you can't adjust (if they put in a slower pitcher or a faster pitcher, or give you a bat with less pop, or a bigger/smaller glove, the umpire stretches his strike zone, etc.) then you probably won't pull out. Regardless, it comes down to the player, not equipment.
Another way would be how fast the ball comes off the bat. For BBCOR bats, the ball generally comes off slower than that of a BESR bat, perhaps allowing the few inches of movement between you getting to the ball or not.
I don't know if i want to blow 300 on a new bat that i mean who knows if this will last for a while. If i were to buy a wooden bat what would be the best bat to buy?
Same situation as with an umpire determining the outcome of a game. If it comes down to that, chances are pretty good that there were several situations that led up to that spot, which still means it was on the team/players/player, not the equipment/umpire. (Look at how many runners were left on base/in scoring position, errors on the field, miscues, etc.). Probably 1:1,000,000,000 times where one specific thing costs a game.
I got a wood one for BP and A CF5 for games and it helps tremendously. I still hit a shot back at a pitcher a broke his nose so i'm pretty sure they are almost as powerful as BESR bats because I'm scrawny and not a power hitter by any means.
Metal bats, however, don't break unexpectedly. LAst night a guy on my team believed his wood bat was invincible, one pitch later, it breaks at the handle and nearly stabs the guy on deck in the face. Believe it or not, BBCOR bats are mainly used for protection for everyone on the field.
He just never had a shot hit back up the middle. In all my years of pitching, I never had a ball hit up the middle that I couldn't react quick enough because EVERYTIME it was either off the handle or the end of the bat. Lucky for me, I never had to protect my face due to a 100 mph rocket.
Well, not everyone lands the same way after a pitch. You may land facing towards home, while others land sideways, and sometimes, almost having their backs completely face home plate. Also, it takes that 1 hit to any pitcher to raise concern in a community. Plus, BBCOR bats and BESR bats don't really change how the game is played, but just the outcome of it (with BBCOR rather than BESR).
@volcompro180 I've hit a good amount of homeruns I'm 14. But that's true, you don't see alot of homeruns being hit by 14u players, but there are some kids that can.
This separates those who actually are good and have good technique, and those who just got lucky by making contact and watching the technology of the bat work. Those who have good technique and follow the basic fundamentals will continue to drive the ball well and hit good, those who used to rely on the technology of the old bats will suffer, and it will show them for who they are.
Love the science behind this, though the explanation of "why" could've been a little more in-depth. It's not completely about "dumbing down" metal bats, so much as bringing them in line with wood so that record-setting, player performance and winning vs. losing aren't questions of technology, but talent. (Sorry for the personal plug, but if you want to read more about this, we've got a bit more on it here: www.viperbats.com/why-swing-wood.php. )
Couldn't agree more, man. Great thing about baseball, anybody can beat anybody on any given day. You can play your best as a team and still lose on some days, and some days you can play awful and still win. Football (prime example), you can overpower another team and beat them all day long. Baseball, you have to show up to play in order to win. You have a great day as well!
Last season I played we had to use BBCOR, I didn't mind it all that much considering I use wood all the time in between seasons. If you are gonna use BBCOR - mine as well use wood, not a huge difference. Plus you can truly learn to hit with wood. From a pitching standpoint though, I had another reason why I didnt mind BBCOR lol. The only time i used BESR last season was during our practice Home Run Derby haha, good times.
I used wood in HS every chance I got even joined wood leagues, only batted aluminum for regular games and after practicing so much with wood you start to not wanna deal with metal again. I never understood why we didnt use wood bats for everything? They have wooden bats for all ages and sizes.
bbcor shows your true power, besr bats take an average hitter and make him raw by creating great pop, so in conclusion, if you have raw power than bbcor should be no problem for you
@10theresagg i agree.. there were hardly any incidents with pitchers getting hurt, and while there WERE a couple serious ones, it wasn't a big enough issue to change the entire game. Its a stupid rule. The only good thing is that the games are becoming more fun to watch because bunting and things like small ball are getting re introduced
Who here on RU-vid who's watching this video, has played baseball... What bat (aluminum or wood) do you swing? I swing both the Rawlings Plasma BBCOR 33/30 (-3) and the Easton BBCOR 33/30 (-3) bats.
To be honest, I much prefer BBCOR over BESR. The possiblity of being hit was incredibly high as a pitcher. Also, the sound of a BBCOR bat is much preferred over BESR
Depends, get one 300$ BBCOR for a season or a couple maple bats for maybe $60-$80 each, maple isn't exactly easy to break, and even if you did manage to break one it wouldn't be that often.
I personally like BBCOR. Sure it was fun to be able to crush a ball with a BESR, but anybody could with those bats. BBCOR allows good hitters to show that they can hit in the gaps and find holes in the field. With a BESR you could just throw your hands at a ball and hit a rocket. If you can hit, it shouldn't matter much.
legs actually. Everything in baseball works together but the most power comes from staying back with your legs. Try not staying back and hitting it with all arms and hips it won't go anywhere. But i know a guy on my team who barely rotates his hips when he swings and he can bomb it.
@Stlbadazz24 because its a money issue, wood bats become very very expensive when inexperienced hitters (highschool/college) swing nothing but wood. They break them... ALL. THE. TIME. parents and schools just simply cant afford it. Talked to many D1 college coaches about this and thats what they told me. They dont like the BBCOR bats, and admitted they would use wood 100% but its too expensive.
In little league and high school they should just use all wooden bats Idk why they say that's a safety hazard if the bat breaks because it's not like they can even throw it that hard to break the bat do yeah
Im 13. Never hit a home run. 100lbs. Have to use bbcor. I hate it but I did c a kid put one 400ft today and he was 12 with a bpf xl1 in the pony tournament but im not that strong and cant hit nearly as well with bbcor
Since the first aluminum bats 30+ years ago, the bats kept evolving to lighter (faster) and springier, resulting in more injuries due to reduced reaction time for the fielders. At some point, enough HAD to be enough. I don't claim to know the perfect BBCOR, but a limit had to be set somewhere.
metal bats increase bat speed and its even proven they do, making college, hs, and lower grade baseball systems a hitters' game. The increased bat speed of course makes the ball travel faster. I'm not saying there are more hrs because of it, i'm just saying hits are getting a lot harder
I bought a bbcor bat for high school baseball and its great. I was never a big hitter so I dont see a huge difference. And if you notice most of them look cooler than aluminum haha
I'm 3 and I use a piece of rope as a bat because i was hitting rockets and hurting pitchers and infielders with a wiffel ball bat and the league made me switch.
