I've been hunting for food for 40 years, As long as you eat the Bear that's cool, but I don't believe in any kind of trophy hunting. My nephew has a Henry he like's it alot but, I think I still prefer the old Marlins. I wish Marlin's QC was as it was in my day, but I hear it's getting better.
bluesman1063 hunting for food is bad. We should only grow our meat at super market freezers it comes out of no where. Bears are indangered species u cant hurt them.
I find it really irritating when RU-vid shows ads on demonetized videos. Their ethics seem to stop at “oh - we can still make money off this content - just the content creator can’t.”
Thanks for going over the malfunction....I've had this happen in Wyoming in a very sketchy ordeal in grizzly country. After living there for 7 years I learned quickly that depending on your ammo is EVERYTHING
Short Story, My brother, father and I went on a bear hunt in Montana. Where it was free range hunting. My brother shot a black bear in the chest about 25-30yds with a 7mm-magnum. The bullet exited the bear’s left side. We tracked it for over a mile through some of the roughest Montana mountains. There was a spot we found where the bear had rested against a huge pine tree. And in fact. Packed it’s wound with dirt. At this point, I realized bear are very tough. And pretty smart.
i shot one with a 30-06 about 80 yards max. gave it 15 min and grabbed the 45-70. after tracking it for a wile in thick thick brush i thought to my self this seams like the spot i began.... the dang thing double back on me then went to the truck. good thing my buddy was on the road. shot and missed at 100. it went in to the bush again and went parallel with the truck.... then crossed the road to get behind me. all i heard was the first shot so i looked up to see this 300+ pound bear wounded coming right at me hahahha so i popped it in the chest and it dropped just to crawl with what ever it had left to get me hahahahah my buddys first hunt and it was a bear. pretty sweet if you ask me. so yea there tough as iron. wish the grizzle hunt ban would get lifted in my area.
7GEREZ Can you tell me how you know the bear packed it’s own wound with dirt please? Did you find its lost phone with bear selfies on it? 😁 Half taking the piss here.....
Quick tip for fixing that Henry loading problem with the Hornadys. I had the same issue, if you spin the tube back and forth while pushing it down (180 degrees to the left 180* to right, rinse and repeat) it will go down no problem!
I'm from New Brunswick, and I can confirm the back country skeeters were terrible that year. Long winter meant nonfood for the birds in the spring, and many died off. When the bugs finally came there wasn't enough birds to eat them all. If I wasn't packing extra beer and bbq weight, they would of carried me off
While I have always admired The Henry rifle's fit and finish, and like their general appearance, the tube loading is a dealbreaker for me. My first centerfire rifle, purchased with a G.I. check, in 1975, was a Marlin 336. This was one of their premium rifles. The quality of the wood, the bluing of the metal parts and general fit and finish, are nowhere to be found in Remlin's rifles, on the market today. I have handled a Henry rifle in the Scheels in Billings, MT. The quality reminded me of the quality of the Marlin I bought min 1975. I just don't appreciate the logic behind including a feature that was made obsolete by John Moses Browning in the 1870s. I can tolerate this tube on a Marlin MDL 60, 22LR, but on a highish powered centerfire rifle, I find it anachronistic. In fact, I consider it a flaw. A flaw on what would be a pretty desirable rifle w/o this idiotic feature. A glaring flaw on a fairly expensive rifle.
As a Henry owner, I kinda agree. Tube loading is pretty dangerous, IMO. Reeeeaaaly hard to maintain muzzle control when sticking your hand right in front of the muzzle at weird angles. Plus, no chance of topping off or easy loading. The new Henry rifles all have gates though. I might consider swapping mine out for that reason.
Same reason I skipped the Henry and went with a Marlin, at the time there was no loading gate option, I don't care for tube loading especially in the field, very easy to drop ammo etc. in the dirt and hard not to point the rifle at part of you. I like to be able to keep the ammo easily topped off, you never know when your hunting rifle could become your self defense rifle when out in the field.
If your not aware they make side gate loading models now. I have one in 45-70 and it’s awesome. Still have the option to load with the tube. I use the tube to unload the gun instead of having to cycle all the rounds.
@Dave Alexander Actually I have a XLR JM stamp 45-70 and the new GBL I got a couple of years ago. The first run of Rems where terrible. The new ones are awesome. I got the GBL for $450 brand new. If you know how to use a 1895 I could unload the tube without cycling the action. All you do is push in the bullet stop and the there you go!!
The new side loading Henry must have eliminated the problem you had with the Hornady Leverevolution ammo. No problems with my JM Marlin guide gun, and I find it very accurate.
Looked like he could’ve had reloads with FTX projectiles with standard length brass cases. LeverEvolution ammo cases are about .050” shorter than normal SAAMI spec 45/70 ammo.
I just checked the several brands of 45-70 ammo I have on hand. The "lip" on the Hornady ammo is less pronounced than on the Federal I have and is the same on the Remington and Winchester ammo, so that appears to be more to do with the Henry loading tube than ammunition in general the Lehigh seems to be the exception rather than the rule, I've not had issues in my Marlin 1895 with any of them.
It's not just Henry. It's been common for Marlin 45-70's to jam as well. I was under the impression it was the edge of the feeding gate catching the rim.
Hornady Brass is also about an 8th of an inch shorter to allow that tipped bullet to fit the OAL specs in lever guns. I found this out when I tried to re-load the brass for my Marlin. I found that Speer 300gr Hollowpoints kill Whitetails like lightning.
My Henry 44 mag will certainly get locked up if you have the lever open when you load the tube, but it's easily fixed by unscrewing the lever and pulling it out you can see the round and poke it back up the tube with a plastic chamber flag or equal to it.
Those East coast bears are like big dogs, you have a charging West coast brown bear that averages 1100 pounds charging you it's a little different and they are very hard to stop. The best spot to I've had 2 friends empty both of their 30/30s into one and finally the last round he shot in the neck as it stood up and that stopped it. Anyway those small black bears are nothing like a brown bear or a grizzly.
In Maine we judge bears by their ear size. A huge bear has little Oreo sized ears while a little 100 pounders ears look big compared to his head. I'm a photographer and I've been to Bangor and seen Paul Bunyan countless times. At your video time stamp 4:54, if you would have taken one or two steps to your left and taken a picture, it looks like Paul Bunyan is sticking up his middle finger. That's because the handle of the peavey in his left hand is lined up with his right hand. It's a pretty common local joke. Oh and I do believe that is the tallest Paul Bunyan statue.? Great video. Thank you for sharing.
People who make bad shots inflate old myths about animals toughness to shift blame to their equipment. Grizzlys and their "impenetrable skull plate", hogs and their "armored shoulder", etc. How did an old .50 cal round ball ever kill these critters years ago?
I shot a bear with a flatnose 210 grain 30,06 . Directly in the heart as she stood on her hind legs 15 yards from me. I found her 200 yards away under a ton of brush. Tough as nails.
Any bear shot through the lungs with any adequate rifle and properly constructed bullet, including the 30-30, is a dead bear. Poor shooting is the only reason they are 'hard' to kill.
The quietest animal in the forest is the bear, the lion, and the deer. I have hunted all three and I think the bear is the stealthiest critter in the woods. Looked to be a good time, thanks for sharing.
Love the 45-70... Never even thought of putting any kind of scope on it. always just open sights for the last 20 years. Hmmm. might consider a red dot though maybe. take a lot of re-learning though.
I really enjoyed the video, Its nice to hear someone talk about proper shot placement on bears, 100% agree with you. Interesting I have been playing with a Marlin 1895 cowboy here in Alberta, and it does not like to feed Hornady Leverevolution into the chamber, loads alright into the tube but when I go to chamber, jams up on the lip just like you showed with your tube. The other ammo point I found interesting was how you grouped tighter with +p ammo, I reloaded a bunch of 405gr flat nose ammo and the higher the velocity the better my rifle liked it setting out at 1950fps for a nice 1/2 inch group at 100, really happy I put a nice recoil pad because it really helps and makes shooting those rounds enjoyable.
And this video is why you never use a rifle with a tube loading system. Imagine being charged by a bear and the gun is empty. You cant just put a couple rounds in the thing you gotta mess with the stupid tube
@@stopglobalswarming in canada pistols aren't allowed for hunting or animal defense. It is possible to open the action place a round in the chamber and close action - fire.
Corey G imagine Dumbest shit i have ever heard. That's exactly what Democunts and liberals are trying to do to us. I'd carry when and how I wanted, that's how I've lived my life. Nobody has the right to decide that you cannot protect yourself.
My Henary i can get 5 rounds in the tube and 1 on the chanbber and if it hits on the tune rod i just work it in and it does fine so my Henary works fine with 6 rounds total
Dave Alexander... I’m a bit tongue-in-cheek here, but I sincerely don’t have any of the issues you describe specific to my Marlin. Functions great and used frequently. W/re/to grabbers, one good thing about Lever guns... The grabbers also have tough yarn to spin them into a “military style weapon”, though some day soon they may to contain evil features.
Love your t-shirt!!! Where did you get it?? I have a Henry lever in the .45-70!! Love it!! I shoot the Hornady LEVEREVOLUTION .325 grn. 2050fps. I haven’t tried any other ammo. Love the seafood too!!!!! Thanks for the great video!!! Cheers brother!!!!🇺🇸
Sooory you didn't get a bear there eh? (being Canadian, felt I should throw in a little Canuck speak). It looks like my fellow Canadians took good care you and hopefully you had fun. When International Sportsman turns into a big deal, we'll take you out again and get you the bear you deserve. Great video, thanks.
I think that VSO liked his ammo so much that it influenced the other guy so he came up with a lame excuse about having difficulty with the Hornady ammo so that he could try those Lehigh bullets...I have the Henry and shoot with Hornady and don't have this issue. Probably need to take his man card away for complaining about something that is not a problem for 99% of people with common sense.
For that feeding problem, blame the rifle manufacturer. I had the 1895 all weather marlin in 45/70 and it loaded easy and jacked rounds, the same Leverlution rounds by Hornady that you have. Never had a loading or feeding problem, lol but my rifle was a pre-Remington buy out of marlin (sigh, boy did the dirty the Marlin brand!)
The problem with the Remington Marlins was the Marlin machinery they inherited and moved to the new factory, it was worn out and they had no original drawings and specs for the rifles. They stopped production and Remington bought new machinery and literally had to reverse engineer the rifles to get the correct specs. After that the Remington Marlins were fantastic, I have two of them an 1895 and an 1894, wonderful quality and performance. Alas the "dirtying of the Marlin Brand" had already occurred before they stopped production with the old machines and switched to the new and that lives on forever in internet history.
Why are you trying to put the bullets in upside down? How do you plan on shooting the gun? I shot a 45 /70 Henery and have never had a problem. The tube of the Herny easily fits over the case. I reload 100 % of my rounds you must crimp each case to keep the bullet from creeping in the case upon discard of the rifle.
Concerning the issues with uncrimped ammo, Henry does not recommend Hornady Leverevolution and unfortunately they only listed a couple ammo brands to shoot throught this model, one being Federal's line which is good enough for me. I also reload so I can control the tolerance at the crimp (H010). My issue wasn't so much the loading tube, but the shell carrier getting gouged up inside the action. Henry sent me a new one, reluctantly, so I didn't have to send my rifle in and now I just use Federal or reloads. If you can live with that the rifle is excellent.
The Federal Hammerdown I have has a more pronounced lip than any other ammo brands I have in 45-70, despite being called premium and having the nickel plated cases. It all works fine in my Marlin. Interesting Henry doesn't recommend the Hornady ammo.
@@fiveowaf454 well that's exactly it....it's an issue that needs addressing I think because the Leverevolution was the best shooting ammo that I ran through the rifle with a slightly better velocity and made by one of the best ammo companies in the business. I gather they don't recommend it because of the carrier issue I described.
@@fiveowaf454 Yeah they only recommended like two makes of ammo (believe it or not!)....one being Federal which is another high performer that I like to use, so that's what I stick with unless I'm reloading my own cartridges which I can control the crimp and use whatever components I like including Leverevolution bullets.
That's been my "huh 🤔" thought, too... on an otherwise darn cool rifle. My guess was that it's aesthetics? But... heck, checkering is very handsome also, usually. So, who knows.
The marlin stainless guide gun is a better rifle in every way than the all weather. Laminated stock with checkering completely stainless from barrel and reciever to all the internals. Plus the long pic rail on top. The all weather is only a brushed chrome finish and only the externals get that finish.
It seemed to me there was an element of operator involved, you should be able to wiggle and rotate the tube to get it past the lip, if it's a problem with Hornady, based on a quick check of my 45-70 ammo, then it's going to be the same with several other brands, as they all have that lip among the ammo I have.
Very interesting! I always wondered about that ammunition. Very interesting to see how little deformation even the rock caused. I searche for, but couldn't find this video on Full30. Does it have a different title on there or is the search engine just that bad?
I have a question. You said you were going to hunt in Canada. Do you have your Canadian pal or rpal? Or is there another way for an American to legally bring a rifle into Canada?
FPs doesn't mean crap, what barrel length did they test the ammo in. I have had a Marlin 45-70 SS since 76, have shot a lot of handloads, some of the powder doesn't burn before bullet exits the barrel!
My Marlin 1895 chambered in 45/70 has NEVER experienced any load/ feeding or accuracy issues that your Henry 45/70 experienced. Just saying..I have sht several Hogs and Whitetail deer withe Horanady Leverevolution 325 grain flextip bullets and Barnes 325 grain ammo.
a few years back i bought a older JM stamped Marlin 45-70. Hornady ammo worked great for about 5 shots, then i had it jam after shooting a deer, luckily i didn't need a follow up shot. I changed out the follower and now it works perfectly. the weirdest thing is, it worked during the sight in but wouldn't work later
