Behavior horses display before they become dangerous 

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Love it!

😆 I agree. But I never thought they got that big.

@@jenniferlehman326 The one in the video looks like 16 hands. No wonder he's got an attitude...that's a big horse!

Exactly, we had one who'd constantly break down our fences! Nothing stops them!

Not with 7k volts and ground rods eight feet deep. I test mine with my thumb. That way I know the power is there. Any horse can accidentally run through a fence, if they are scared.

Powerful looking neck . I don't expect that flexion is too easy

@@pixie706 my fjord flexes very easily both laterally and vertically, but I put a LOT of ground work into him, and when I started him under saddle we worked a lot without a bit first, so he would be easy to give when I asked. He also has a longer neck than this one but it’s still tied in to the chest pretty low. He rides pretty nice just in front of the vertical and we are just now starting to get lateral flexion when I lay the neck rein in a combination bit that has a little leverage, but activated a noseband first. I rarely have to use the leverage of the bit, as he stays pretty soft to the gentle noseband pressure, BUT If he does decide to not flex though, there is nothing my 5’3”, 125lbs can do to stop him except relax and encourage him to get soft to my hands again. You’ll never win a tug of war battle with a Fjord.😂

Thanks for all the info about the breed! I’ve always been intrigued by Fjords but never knew about their behavioral tendencies like this.

It’s a Norwegian Fjord. A common breed in Denmark where I’m from 😊

I've also had my Fjord since she was weaned and I absolutely love the breed. Not the easiest horse since they are incredibly smart, but they are funny, smart, intuitive, cheeky, and the best in so many ways. Don't get one if you're easily intimidated by horses. And, yes, they can be very soft, but they can also use that neck. The key is to train them to soften the neck if they get an idea stuck in their head. 😆 Also, DO NOT overfeed them especially because they LOVE food. I've been fortunate to have great trainers, so my three-year-old mare is really great and easy to work with, but I put a TON of hours into her. It's nice to even see the neighbor kids come over and be able to handle her, but I think of how much work I put into her so she's gentle and easy. I appreciate that Tim Anderson doesn't let this gelding get away with anything, but he also explains how the gelding is thinking and processing information. Fjords think a LOT and can be very cheeky in both a funny and also a naughty way.

And the boys get bigger and dangerous as well and end up killed by police. Raising an unruly horse or human is a death sentence.

Exactly

Better a slap than a trip to the killer auction.

Fjords are not really common in Belgium, but there was one at my previous stable. He was considered as safe, as he didn't even know what spooking meant. But he woild drag everyone in hand if he could smell food, wad the best at pretending not feeling/hearing/seeing the cues (like the one in the video, who needs being whipped to do what he's asked for) and went into the corners when he didn't want to work (aka: every lesson), and good luck to move it away the corner! I had on him my sweetest fall ever: he tripped, I rolled on his neck, he just let me go quietly without mobing, and, when I landed on the floor, we were both: "what the heck happened?" The only other rime I handled a fjord was as a tourist in my own country. In that facility, tourists could deive themselves horse carriage dragged by a fjord, without supervision (you're just out on your own for 3 hours walking on the balised path), even if yhey knew nothing about horses. The fjords were so used to it they drove the carriage by themselves, knowing exactly where to go, stopping at the usual spot to have their break (and really stunborned, so no tourist could try to cheat with the path or the break, or making them trot) Truly amazing! So Fjords can be a dream or a nightmare, not in-between.

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What are you supposed to do if they charge tho? Just stand there?

@@paloma4444 You have to make a judgement call. Don't step back, make yourself big, shout, wave your arms, do whatever it takes to call their bluff... nearly all horses will stop the charge and back off if they think you're serious. Having a flag really helps. Wave that right in their face. Of course, 1% of horses will try and kill you... that's the judgement call. Hopefully you never encounter that type of horse

I've found many horses who will test me and if I mean it and have any follow through on what I ask and I do mean many horses as you can even find the "creepers" where they get inch closer into your bubble or from the position you had them stopped at and it's why the escalation steps of the 1, 2, 3 or ask, tell, then enforce and the reward is that when the horse cooperates we don't apply any extra pressure than is needed and remove pressure for cooperating. I've seen people not read the horse correctly and increase the pressure when the horse either can't handle it or doesn't understand and that has led to more of what people have labeled as "aggressive" equine behaviors, but they are normally to get the human to relieve pressure as the horse is unable to find another method. There are very few truly aggressive horses I have ever met that would charge you or be aggressive in that way and I can tell before I put the halter on if that is the case pretty much every time. Horses commonly test, especially in youth and with new people as the question always is "where do you fall in the herd?" and that is why it takes so much time handling the horses and interactions and experiences for them to just accept "people are going to handle me, touch me, groom me, move me forward/backward/left/right and if they are good people they will be gentle and respectful about it". * Edit to add - Some of the horses we label as aggressive or dangerous were made that way by people letting them get an inch, then two, then a mile, and then running them over so they have been "trained" (horses are always observing and learning) to be able to walk all over humans, bite them, pull the reins out of their hands, etc. Some of the absolute worst cases of pure out aggression where the horse has actually intended to kill the person in the ring or even on the outside of the ring has been orphaned horses who did not have rules around humans because "it was a cute orphan foal that needed help" and no one thought far enough forward to the horse being 17h and 1250lb AND the horse was isolated from other horses so no discipline was done by a herd, a "babysitter horse" as we refer to them, and socialization was an issue so they were not really ever checked and 17h unchecked for since birth. . . .doesn't fear a human or a whip. Humans have been nurturing and not leaders, but bring milk and feed. Orphans can be "babied" because they don't have a dam so people feel bad and treat them different. The other worst cases of pure aggression have been abused horses and they are taught to be in fight/flight mode by humans and are fearful 24/7 and again, someone taught the horse to attack because a human overly used pressure and maybe never released or used it all of the time and didn't understand timing or anything about horses. I deal with behavioral cases more than we see on this channel because I am younger and 9 times out of 10 the owner or a previous owner had a significant hand in making the horse that way. I won't take on any case that won't do what I ask as it puts myself, the owner, and the horse in danger and if it's one of three questions I ask before I will even agree to meet about a case because if the owner isn't willing to make changes then there is no point and it's too dangerous for me no matter how badly I feel for the horse who didn't make themselves that way. I have never felt "unnerved" by a horse testing or giving me the finger as it simply informs me more about them and what I need to work on, how firm I need to be, how strong my boundaries need to be enforced, where my energy and work needs to go. I only feel confident because behind A, B, and C to a response to their actions I probably have another 23 letters before we get to numbers and the entire thing with a horse is out thinking them, because we can never out muscle them. I like some testing because as a partner on a trail or in a ring I do want their input, but I have final say. They can say it hurts, I'm uncomfortable with this, etc. and it's my job to make sure I am a responsible leader and caretaker for the animal just as a Boss wouldn't put me out to give a public meeting about the company on CNN the first day on the job after a brief training or ill, I wouldn't do that to my horse. It's Poor Leadership.

I’m going to post this video on any discussion trying to debunk dominance theory or try and say you never smack a horse…and those who think spanking a child is abusive. Some kids like this horse try and call the shots and push you, test boundaries like this horse you must follow through. This is perfect example of increasing pressure and eventually making the horse comply with a pop on the butt which does not harm or abuse the horse at all. Nor the toddler human.

@@seneynah with a cjild you use a language the child understands.. words. With a horse you use a langiage the horse understands, aka, it may be physical if boundaries are pushed too hard.. that is what lead horses do, they bite and kick. No need to hit a child, that only proves your own weakness.

Mine does that! I think he’s good then switches 😮😮

Are they the kind of horses who want to please you if you bond with them? Or will the jerp being challenging?

@@grenade8572 More like, they will want to please you IF they reckon there is something in it for them, but someone who is experienced with them and their temperament will usually be able to kid them along wonderfully well, and eventually come to a sort of understanding between the two of you. They are not easy horses - very few of the northern European native breds are - and are not kid's horses either. They were, all of them, bred to be strong workers who stay fit, sound and healthy on sparse grazing in poor weather, and they do not thrive mentally, physically or metabolically on the easy life modern-day horsekeeping provides them with.

On RU-vid each horse has its own playlist.

@@timandersonhorsetraining I didn't realise that! I retired from training and love your videos. THANK YOU!!

There seems to be a lot of fear and misunderstanding nowadays on leadership...of both animals and children. Leadership equals domineering to many people, not realizing that animals (and children) actually want leadership. It's not loving to let a horse become dangerous. It's not loving to let a dog be out of control and finally dumped at a shelter. And it's not loving to let a child grow up into a rebellious young adult who can't hold down a job or make relationships work because they always have to have their way. It's sad. I don't understand people's inability to see this. Boundaries are good things. 👍

Agreed😭🤣esp on the chunk

That is exactly what I thought. Chunky, yes. But it seems the breed has a tendency to chunk up.

Thanks, I only knew the German word.

Circus Horse

There was one in the movie Frozen.

I will try to start doing that.

Depends on how you work with them, I’ve got a 24 year old haflinger gelding who’s the sweetest guy 😊

I have but not much.

He's about the size of a haflinger.

Gypsy Vanners are considerably larger, have leg 'feathers' and thick manes, fetlocks and tails. Beautiful horses, but require a considerable amount of grooming.

Mine is just what the feed store by me had. I suspect its more technique than the whip itself.

Strong wrist action with a sharp twist helped me learn to hold a whip properly. Similar to setting the hook on a fishing line!( at least in my experience)

A zebra+horse is a “zorse” … zebra+donkey is a “zonkey” … I believe this to be a Fjord horse … I have a mule about the same size and temperament as this guy. Hope the owners can keep him the way Mr Tim will have him going. 😂

I just finished editing a video that talks about that. It will be out in a couple days.

I know this is a late comment, but in the United States many horses are started way before they need to be.Many of them are being ridden at the age of two, even though trainers know that their leg bones and total body growth has not been met. Show horses in particular are expected to perform in full advanced competition at the age of three.

It’s normal for horses to be sent somewhere to be started especially if there are not capable trainers in your area. Don’t forget how large the US is and some people live in the country hours away from other people so having regular training together is not feasible. If the owner did not care for the horse they wouldn’t spend the money on it at all and would just sell it. What if you want a reining horse but all the trainers around you are jumper trainer? Then you send your horse to the jumper trainer.